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> > > I think the market would reject a game without sprint. With the direction the FPS genre/market has evolved (Call of Duty with wall running, thruster boost jumps, thruster power slides, etc.) and even most 3rd person shooters have sprint (Ghost Recon, GTA V, etc.) We as players have done this to Halo because we have supported a market of “sprinting” titles. Now there is no undoing what has been done. It’s simple economics. Adam Smith always spoke about the market being “laize faire” and we are now reaping the benefits. Most titles have sprint/dynamic movement and as long as we keep buying them they will continue to be made.
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> > Blizzard reported Yesterday that Overwatch now boasts a player-base of over 15,000,000. Does that sound like rejection to you? Completely unlike traditional shooters and not designed around mechanics like sprinting.
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> Assuming they used the MAU for a multi platform game, that’s not that impressive
Firstly I disagree. 15,000,000 is extremely impressive. When was the last multiplatform title outside of CoD and BF that sold that much? It’s also how many people have purchased the game not monthly active users.
Either way my point still stands on the fact that it certainly isn’t being rejected.
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> > > > I think the market would reject a game without sprint. With the direction the FPS genre/market has evolved (Call of Duty with wall running, thruster boost jumps, thruster power slides, etc.) and even most 3rd person shooters have sprint (Ghost Recon, GTA V, etc.) We as players have done this to Halo because we have supported a market of “sprinting” titles. Now there is no undoing what has been done. It’s simple economics. Adam Smith always spoke about the market being “laize faire” and we are now reaping the benefits. Most titles have sprint/dynamic movement and as long as we keep buying them they will continue to be made.
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> > > Blizzard reported Yesterday that Overwatch now boasts a player-base of over 15,000,000. Does that sound like rejection to you? Completely unlike traditional shooters and not designed around mechanics like sprinting.
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> > Assuming they used the MAU for a multi platform game, that’s not that impressive
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> Firstly I disagree. 15,000,000 is extremely impressive. When was the last multiplatform title outside of CoD and BF that sold that much? It’s also how many people have purchased the game not monthly active users.
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> Either way my point still stands on the fact that it certainly isn’t being rejected.
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> > > > > I think the market would reject a game without sprint. With the direction the FPS genre/market has evolved (Call of Duty with wall running, thruster boost jumps, thruster power slides, etc.) and even most 3rd person shooters have sprint (Ghost Recon, GTA V, etc.) We as players have done this to Halo because we have supported a market of “sprinting” titles. Now there is no undoing what has been done. It’s simple economics. Adam Smith always spoke about the market being “laize faire” and we are now reaping the benefits. Most titles have sprint/dynamic movement and as long as we keep buying them they will continue to be made.
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> > > > Blizzard reported Yesterday that Overwatch now boasts a player-base of over 15,000,000. Does that sound like rejection to you? Completely unlike traditional shooters and not designed around mechanics like sprinting.
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> > > Assuming they used the MAU for a multi platform game, that’s not that impressive
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> > Firstly I disagree. 15,000,000 is extremely impressive. When was the last multiplatform title outside of CoD and BF that sold that much? It’s also how many people have purchased the game not monthly active users.
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> > Either way my point still stands on the fact that it certainly isn’t being rejected.
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> Sales don’t make player counts.
Fastest selling game in china, 30% of game time played in South Korea internet rooms. I played yesterday and had no issue finding matches so the retention seems pretty good although I’ll need to see if I can dig that metric up. All in all seems like it still has a significantly large player count.
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> Don’t remove it damn
Explain why. There’s no good reason to keep it if the only reason is just cuz…
I think it’s an interesting point. Back in the days of halo, I feel like not having sprint put everyone on a more skill based level. Everyone was equal, and what made you stand out was your skill. Granted it’s still kind of the same way today, but by not having sprint it brings back the element of teamwork more so. You can’t just go in guns blazing and then do some damage and run back out. Halo is a team based game and requires skill to win.
Please stop saying that there’s an option to choose whether to sprint or not. Maps are larger to accommodate for sprint thus punishing players not sprinting. Bullet magnetism is increased to accommodate for maps being so large. There can be no unique maps such as Guardian, Shrine or Lockout with sprint and that’s a pretty heavy price to pay for a poor mechanic.
Sprint is a bad design choice and doesn’t fit in the Arena Shooter Halo.
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> > YET YOU PLAYED THE BETA
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> Dosn’t mean anything except for he bought the mcc and played the beta when it was available
wouldn’t he have thought halo wasn’t halo during halo 4 and when he saw the beta gameplay if you dont look at beta gameplay before you play then it’s just plain stupidity and if he thought halo isnt halo why did he play the beta
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> > > YET YOU PLAYED THE BETA
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> > Dosn’t mean anything except for he bought the mcc and played the beta when it was available
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> wouldn’t he have thought halo wasn’t halo during halo 4 and when he saw the beta gameplay if you dont look at beta gameplay before you play then it’s just plain stupidity and if he thought halo isnt halo why did he play the beta
To form his own opinion instead of piggybacking off of someone else.
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> > > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
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> > Except the maps are purposefully stretched out to accompany sprint, so that stretched maps will have the same sprint travel time as a non stretched map with just walking. So
> > not sprinting is punishing because the game had to be made around it.
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> not true, the only time you NEED, to sprint, is if you are trying to break a wall in warzone. i have stopped sprinting completely and do just fine.
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> sprint should stay, spartan charge is what needs to leave.
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> not having sprint is not what made halo, halo. the BR, needler, floaty jumps, and spartans, made halo, halo. sprint alone does not make or break halo, the people who can’t get over it, are what breaks halo.
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> > > > YET YOU PLAYED THE BETA
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> > > Dosn’t mean anything except for he bought the mcc and played the beta when it was available
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> > wouldn’t he have thought halo wasn’t halo during halo 4 and when he saw the beta gameplay if you dont look at beta gameplay before you play then it’s just plain stupidity and if he thought halo isnt halo why did he play the beta
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> To form his own opinion instead of piggybacking off of someone else.
Also to prove he doesn’t blindly hate or accept anything. He’s played the game he made his decision. At least he isn’t someone who hates something because it is popular.
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> > I understand why some people dislike sprint, but Halo needs to (combat) evolve if it wants to stay relevant. I still have friends that will play the older Halos with me and criticize them for not having sprint. The FPS scene is changing every year and so Halo must as well.
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> So we should follow trends not set them? This is a regressive mindset.
And there’s the problem. Any time Halo does try to set a trend, people complain about how they wish it were simpler like it was in previous Halos.
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> > > > I think the market would reject a game without sprint. With the direction the FPS genre/market has evolved (Call of Duty with wall running, thruster boost jumps, thruster power slides, etc.) and even most 3rd person shooters have sprint (Ghost Recon, GTA V, etc.) We as players have done this to Halo because we have supported a market of “sprinting” titles. Now there is no undoing what has been done. It’s simple economics. Adam Smith always spoke about the market being “laize faire” and we are now reaping the benefits. Most titles have sprint/dynamic movement and as long as we keep buying them they will continue to be made.
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> > > Blizzard reported Yesterday that Overwatch now boasts a player-base of over 15,000,000. Does that sound like rejection to you? Completely unlike traditional shooters and not designed around mechanics like sprinting.
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> > Assuming they used the MAU for a multi platform game, that’s not that impressive
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> Firstly I disagree. 15,000,000 is extremely impressive. When was the last multiplatform title outside of CoD and BF that sold that much? It’s also how many people have purchased the game not monthly active users.
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> Either way my point still stands on the fact that it certainly isn’t being rejected.
Which can also be attributed to the decrease in players, due to the console market, Xbox is not the most popular console this time round, players changed over to PS4. YOu could say certain feautures like sprint turned people off the franchise, but when you also have either A) A divided player count due to the MCC and B) Less Xbox players due to moving to another console all together; that’s a bit source of a player population drop versus “I don’t like sprint, so I’m boycotting Halo until they fix it”
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> I think it’s an interesting point. Back in the days of halo, I feel like not having sprint put everyone on a more skill based level. Everyone was equal, and what made you stand out was your skill. Granted it’s still kind of the same way today, but by not having sprint it brings back the element of teamwork more so. You can’t just go in guns blazing and then do some damage and run back out. Halo is a team based game and requires skill to win.
I’m sorry, but I don’t think you understand how sprint affects the game that well. It doesn’t make halo take any less skill. Spartan charge is a different story.