you know what I just noticed were complaining about a game A GAME people now just get over it before you ruin halo 6 then blame it on 343 and Microsoft when it is us all along 343 is trying its hardest to fill in the shoes left by bungie and were not proud of them at least trying to make you happy now stop complaining before you ruin a good game.
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> Seriously y’all, sprint is here to stay. There’s no way Halo will go back now. Most newer players are going to want sprint, and any new players 343 reach will be expecting sprint. Halo 6 will have sprint. 343 has recieved way too much positive feedback about H5’s current movement/play style.
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> If you really want no sprint, play MCC. Don’t buy the new halo game. If it’s a feature you care that much about, stick to it. But quit the useless argument. Quit venting, quit being in denial, and accept sprint is here is to stay. Arguing for sprint in the H5 forums is ridiculous at this point. I’m sorry, but there aren’t enough of you hardcore non-sprint fans for there to be a change. Even if 40% of waypointers want sprint gone, that’s not considering the rest of the halo population who spends no time on waypoint, and guess what, most of them like halo just the way it is, sprint included.
The forums are here to discuss what we like, don’t like, and want changed. We’re discussing what we want changed. If the only point you have to make is that it’s hard to stay with no reasoning then you have no reason to post here
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> > > > > Safe to assume this is a rather controversial topic in the scope of this franchise. Outside of feeling immersed in the lore, is there a competent argument for sprints continued inclusion? Lets avoid talking about how COD and “all modern” shooters have it, why should halo have it?
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> > > > because the jack as-ses who made the game decided to put it in the game?
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> > > Is this the dont question anything approach? Why have a forum if discussion isnt allowed to question any ideas, thats rather orwellian isnt it?
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> > No this is- what is your point kind of approach. I understand the forum function but this topic specifically has been talked about since the beginning of time, WTF. What is the point on trying to convince each other if neither party has the power to make a change to the game? its a waste of time, need to find the direct line to 343 and get answers. And if this is ever established everyone needs to make a push through that door…you dig? I am neutral on this matter like most of the issues people tend to complain about, so sprint really doesn’t bother me in any way.
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> I’m not sure you understand basic economics. A product is tailored to suit a market demand, the demand will determine the success of any product. Markets have reactions and reactions to said reactions and so on. Utilizing the devs forums to express a tweak in their product is worthwhile, as it is to also use the tools theyve provided such as forge. The guys at TB have and continue to tweak the new halo settings and it has been met with great admiration. Perhaps, I’m just spitballing here, halo can evolve past sprint in its gameplay. We’ve had it for 6 years , it’s getting stale and frankly we’ve seen a bipolar Dev that works on what it expects the market reaction to be.
Not to mention the fact that we’ve debunked the whole market expects sprint so sprint sells better considering Overwatch, and DOOM sold well and Halo 5 has sold softly. I’ve literally beat this horse to death at least 5-6 times in this thread alone.
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> > > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > > > > Keeping thruster and clamber, having 120/115 BMS instead of 100/110 (everyone benefits from that, 120 is just a little slower than sprint) and probably keeping micro transactions. Probably not everyone pro sprint wants those things but that seems pretty good
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> > > > That’s not sprint, those are other new mechanics, and unfortunately, your idea would remove it (and there’s a lot of people who don’t want that). I’m trying to get a compromise on sprint, not the other Spartan Abilities.
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> > > The ability to sprint in any direction without facing it, and have full use of melee guns and grenades while sprinting and a control layout that keeps sprint permanently on.
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> > That’s not sprint it’s just the base speed.
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> Now you’re just being stubborn. His proposals literally keep you at sprint speed so you can reach things in a timely manner and feel faster. As we’ve discussed the maps wouldn’t be designed with with assumption that everyone can sprint so the maps won’t be as big. You say you like a risk/reward factor of sprinting when all I see is frustration because the risk to crossing a large open field is get destroyed because you have no cover and walk across it, or sprint across it, deal with shields not recharging and, if you run into somebody they get 1-2 free shots on you because you still need to ready your gun. Where’s the reward? There really isn’t one. Getting somewhere faster? Please, in Warzone or BTB it’s sprint or forget about it although BTB is a lot more forgiving depending on the map and where you are.
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> > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > > For there to be a meaningful discussion on further compromising, I think it’d be best to lay out what each side wants.
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> > > With that said, what aspects of Sprint do you like in Halo?
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> > > I also can’t help but think it’s ironic that we’re talking about compromising on a mechanic that fundamentally compromises part of how Halo worked.
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> > Alright here are the things I like about it:
> > -The risk-reward factor of it
> > -How you can move faster than the base speed to reach to a tactical position faster
> > -Mainly just the fact that their are now 3 speeds (crouching, base, and sprint) which adds variety and more strategies that can be implemented into the game.
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> > I don’t really think that sprint compromises how halo works, but anyways, what do you not like about sprint?
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> These are the three things you listed that you liked. By upping base movement speed we agree you get places faster and there fore sprint isn’t necessary. Your number 3 point I find really pointless no offense because no one crouches around the map unless they’re waiting in ambush, which has always been in Halo. Sprint is more or less only for traversal and as many of us have said we think it kills game pace because you can’t use weapons, something we thoroughly enjoyed always being able to do in previous Halo games. Sprint really doesn’t add much strategy outside of Spartan charge which a lot of people hate and for everything in between there is slightly pushing your stick in a direction. I really don’t see any intricate strategies being implemented because of sprint and before you say flanking know that flanking has always been in basically every shooter game ever, sprint does not add it. As I said previously in this post as well I don’t believe sprint has a risk/reward factor considering the alternative is getting wrecked in 2-3 seconds because you can’t get anywhere efficiently with sprint and are stuck in the open and if you do sprint you can’t fight back. I find that less risk/reward and more dumb luck than anything.
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> The only competent arguments I have seen so far have been I like to go fast and its an evolution. You’re the first person to mention strategy which is funny because I think sprint kills strategic play as most people turn to bumrush tactics since Spartan charge is so brutally effective. As for it being an evolution every game has sprint now basically. What would be an evolution of game formulas would be if Halo went back to championing no sprint gameplay. Hell Bethesda is reviving Quake on PC because they know that’s what the fan base wants. They aren’t gonna put sprint in because people just expect it this point and yes I know you didn’t argue this last part.
Yah. Pro-sprinters don’t just want a faster BMS, we want to flippin’ sprint! His proposal doesn’t let us sprint. Yah I like the risk-reward factor. I’d rather sprint to the end of the field with my weapon lowered the walk across the field with my weapon raised. If all goes well, then I get a weapon and a good tactical position without getting killed.
If you up the base speed, then everyone would be walking at the same pace so you wouldn’t get to your tactical position faster, just at the same time as everyone else. There’s a ton of people that crouch around the map. They do it for stealth and to hide behind cover. Spartan charge isn’t really a strategy. What makes sprint require some strategy is that you need to know when to stop, you can get to a tactical position faster, and you can escape death. If halo went back to no-sprint, that wouldn’t really be an evolution, it would be a de-evolution (devolution :D). Yah I know I didn’t get to respond to everything you said, but if you look at the last few pages, I’ve been quoted quite a bit and I’m trying to respond to everyone.
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> you know what I just noticed were complaining about a game A GAME people now just get over it before you ruin halo 6 then blame it on 343 and Microsoft when it is us all along 343 is trying its hardest to fill in the shoes left by bungie and were not proud of them at least trying to make you happy now stop complaining before you ruin a good game.
Yes and I grew up with this game so it’s pretty important to me and I want it to be as good as it can be. It just so happens I think it will be better without sprint. Now how about you actually make a justifiable point rather than just trying to switch the blame around on us for trying to discuss what we think will make he game better. I also really REALLY hate your it’s a game argument. If it’s just a game why are you on the forums and not playing it? You clearly have some stake in this or else you having a presence on the forums is mostly pointless considering forums are for discussion.
Also the game being good? Completely subjective. Now please argue a point or kindly stop repeating yourself like a broken record.
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> > > > > > Keeping thruster and clamber, having 120/115 BMS instead of 100/110 (everyone benefits from that, 120 is just a little slower than sprint) and probably keeping micro transactions. Probably not everyone pro sprint wants those things but that seems pretty good
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> > > > > That’s not sprint, those are other new mechanics, and unfortunately, your idea would remove it (and there’s a lot of people who don’t want that). I’m trying to get a compromise on sprint, not the other Spartan Abilities.
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> > > > The ability to sprint in any direction without facing it, and have full use of melee guns and grenades while sprinting and a control layout that keeps sprint permanently on.
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> > > That’s not sprint it’s just the base speed.
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> >
> > Now you’re just being stubborn. His proposals literally keep you at sprint speed so you can reach things in a timely manner and feel faster. As we’ve discussed the maps wouldn’t be designed with with assumption that everyone can sprint so the maps won’t be as big. You say you like a risk/reward factor of sprinting when all I see is frustration because the risk to crossing a large open field is get destroyed because you have no cover and walk across it, or sprint across it, deal with shields not recharging and, if you run into somebody they get 1-2 free shots on you because you still need to ready your gun. Where’s the reward? There really isn’t one. Getting somewhere faster? Please, in Warzone or BTB it’s sprint or forget about it although BTB is a lot more forgiving depending on the map and where you are.
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> > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > > > For there to be a meaningful discussion on further compromising, I think it’d be best to lay out what each side wants.
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> > > > With that said, what aspects of Sprint do you like in Halo?
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> > > > I also can’t help but think it’s ironic that we’re talking about compromising on a mechanic that fundamentally compromises part of how Halo worked.
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> > > Alright here are the things I like about it:
> > > -The risk-reward factor of it
> > > -How you can move faster than the base speed to reach to a tactical position faster
> > > -Mainly just the fact that their are now 3 speeds (crouching, base, and sprint) which adds variety and more strategies that can be implemented into the game.
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> > > I don’t really think that sprint compromises how halo works, but anyways, what do you not like about sprint?
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> >
> > These are the three things you listed that you liked. By upping base movement speed we agree you get places faster and there fore sprint isn’t necessary. Your number 3 point I find really pointless no offense because no one crouches around the map unless they’re waiting in ambush, which has always been in Halo. Sprint is more or less only for traversal and as many of us have said we think it kills game pace because you can’t use weapons, something we thoroughly enjoyed always being able to do in previous Halo games. Sprint really doesn’t add much strategy outside of Spartan charge which a lot of people hate and for everything in between there is slightly pushing your stick in a direction. I really don’t see any intricate strategies being implemented because of sprint and before you say flanking know that flanking has always been in basically every shooter game ever, sprint does not add it. As I said previously in this post as well I don’t believe sprint has a risk/reward factor considering the alternative is getting wrecked in 2-3 seconds because you can’t get anywhere efficiently with sprint and are stuck in the open and if you do sprint you can’t fight back. I find that less risk/reward and more dumb luck than anything.
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> > The only competent arguments I have seen so far have been I like to go fast and its an evolution. You’re the first person to mention strategy which is funny because I think sprint kills strategic play as most people turn to bumrush tactics since Spartan charge is so brutally effective. As for it being an evolution every game has sprint now basically. What would be an evolution of game formulas would be if Halo went back to championing no sprint gameplay. Hell Bethesda is reviving Quake on PC because they know that’s what the fan base wants. They aren’t gonna put sprint in because people just expect it this point and yes I know you didn’t argue this last part.
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> Yah. Pro-sprinters don’t just want a faster BMS, we want to flippin’ sprint! His proposal doesn’t let us sprint. Yah I like the risk-reward factor. I’d rather sprint to the end of the field with my weapon lowered the walk across the field with my weapon raised. If all goes well, then I get a weapon and a good tactical position without getting killed.
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> If you up the base speed, then everyone would be walking at the same pace so you wouldn’t get to your tactical position faster, just at the same time as everyone else. There’s a ton of people that crouch around the map. They do it for stealth and to hide behind cover. Spartan charge isn’t really a strategy. What makes sprint require some strategy is that you need to know when to stop, you can get to a tactical position faster, and you can escape death. If halo went back to no-sprint, that wouldn’t really be an evolution, it would be a de-evolution (devolution :D). Yah I know I didn’t get to respond to everything you said, but if you look at the last few pages, I’ve been quoted quite a bit and I’m trying to respond to everyone.
No no I don’t expect you to respond to everything. In fact, I’m grateful you’re one if the only pro sprint people taking it seriously.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know all those sprint polls you say don’t matter because they’re old? Well, they were made after Halo 4 released and showed that the majority did not like it. It wasn’t even close.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > They added a mechanic most people didn’t like. No compromise was necessary, they should’ve just removed it. No game can be built as everything for everyone.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have a link to some of those polls? I wasn’t really on the forums then. If enough people like something then there should be compromise. If they removed it, they would’ve killed a part of the population. I know what you’re going to say; “but they killed a bigger portion of the fan-base by keeping sprint.” If sprint was the deciding factor for long time fans, then they really shouldn’t be considered true fans of the franchise. It was all of 343’s other stupid ideas that killed a portion, not just sprint.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > I don’t feel like getting the link on mobile since I’m pretty sure you’ve seen these polls. Try googling, “Reddit halo sprint poll”. It will almost definitely be the first result and it contains a collection of polls from Waypoint, Reddit and Beyond, with the Waypoint poll being particularly large. They all support no sprint by a landslide.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Fans are fans. If anything, these “true fans” shouldn’t matter since apparently they’ll play it no matter what.
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> > > > > > > > > > > What’s your point? Times and opinions have changed. People have come to and left the franchise since then. I didn’t see a sprint poll on Reddit that is in 2016, or even when halo 5 came out.
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> > > > > > > > > > Lol you don’t even remember how we started this particular conversation. Follow it back to your post I originally respond to and hopefully you’ll see why what you just said is irrelevant.
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> > > > > > > > > > Though I don’t think there’s any evidence that very many people have come to the franchise.
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> > > > > > > > > Yah I’ve responded to like 4 different people on this thread today, so I’ve gotten a bit lost.
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> > > > > > > > > Ohhhh ok, I’m back on track now. You didn’t want to have to compromise with something that nobody wanted in the first place, right? I can agree with that to an extent. Unfortunately for you, now many fans like sprint, so you we all kinda have to compromise now. Back then, I agree, you shouldn’t have had to, but now, a compromise needs to be reached.
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> > > > > > > > Theres little to suggest more people like it. Perhaps more people within this now much smaller fan base like it, but it terms of former fans (AKA potentially returning fans) there’s reason to believe more people still don’t like it.
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> > > > > > > > As long as the fanbase continues to shrink, no compromise is necessary. Do what’s good for the game and what people wanted in the first place and people will come (and come back). If the fan base were growing, then perhaps a compromise would be sensible, but that’s not the case.
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> > > > > > > I never said more people like it. There’s just enough people that do like it to require a compromise. As long as it continues to shrink, a compromise is absolutely necessary. With a compromise, we can bring back old fans while also keeping the new ones. If we don’t compromise, the scales are going to be tipped one way or another, and both ways don’t look like sunshine and rainbows.
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> > > > > > > We can’t go back to what the community wanted at first. Alright, I’m about to attempt an analogy. Let’s say I like chocolate ice cream and get it every time I go to the ice cream shop. But one time, my order is screwed up and I get vanilla. At first I’m angry, but once I try it, I find that I like it a lot. Now I’m torn whether to get chocolate or vanilla, so I compromise and get a chocolate-vanilla swirl. That’s what we as a community need right now. That chocolate-vanilla swirl that will make everyone happy.
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> > > > > > There’s no reason to think that “just enough people like it”, because sales decreased at the same time anti-sprinters within the fan base seemingly decreased. If anything, that suggests it’s largely the same as it’s always been.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A small fan base is not when you make compromises to get back fans. They left because all they were getting was a compromise to an issue the majority didn’t support. Compromises won’t - and haven’t, mind you - bring back any significant amount of people.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your analogy doesn’t make sense. Obviously people didn’t like the new flavor, so the compromise isn’t much better. Instead, they go to a different ice cream shop that knows how to not -Yoink- up people’s orders and doesn’t tell them, “some people expect vanilla, so we threw some in with your chocolate”. But let’s not get stuck on an analogy, as that happens to often.
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> > > > > There’s enough people that like it now that if 343 just took out sprint, they’d be killing another major part of the community.
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> > > > > I know the fan base is smaller, but not a lot is because of sprint. 343 really screwed up halo 4 and made it like CoD (not just with sprint), and that turned off a lot of fans. Then the MCC came out and released unplayable, so that also killed another part of the community. Then halo 5 comes out, and it releases with not best campaign and very little content, so that killed a bit of fans too. What I’m getting at here is that sprint isn’t the only thing that killed a lot community, so removing sprint will bring back a few fans while also alienating others. That’s why a compromise is needed.
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> > > > > My analogy had me be the community, where part of me liked sprint (vanilla) and part of me didn’t (chocolate). But as you said, let’s not get stuck on analogies.
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> > > > What we’re saying though is most of the people who like sprint would probably buy the game anyway. Most of them don’t even know why they like sprint, they like it because it’s what they have and they don’t want change. If we had a 115/120 BMS game keeping everything except Spartan charge and sprint some might leave but we would gain a lot more
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> > > What makes you say that? Of course the die hard halo fans would buy it, but not people that like sprint. As I already stated in the post you quoted me in, removing sprint won’t bring back a huge portion of the fan-base.
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> > These are all assumptions.
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> Everything we say is all assumptions. “If we do X, then everyone will come back.” “If we do Y, then no one will come back.”
So why say things like that?
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> Seriously y’all, sprint is here to stay. There’s no way Halo will go back now. Most newer players are going to want sprint, and any new players 343 reach will be expecting sprint. Halo 6 will have sprint. 343 has recieved way too much positive feedback about H5’s current movement/play style.
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> If you really want no sprint, play MCC. Don’t buy the new halo game. If it’s a feature you care that much about, stick to it. But quit the useless argument. Quit venting, quit being in denial, and accept sprint is here is to stay. Arguing for sprint in the H5 forums is ridiculous at this point. I’m sorry, but there aren’t enough of you hardcore non-sprint fans for there to be a change. Even if 40% of waypointers want sprint gone, that’s not considering the rest of the halo population who spends no time on waypoint, and guess what, most of them like halo just the way it is, sprint included.
2 of the top 3 most played FPS games this year do not use sprint.
Have you considered that keeping sprint is the dated mindset?
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> > > > > > Keeping thruster and clamber, having 120/115 BMS instead of 100/110 (everyone benefits from that, 120 is just a little slower than sprint) and probably keeping micro transactions. Probably not everyone pro sprint wants those things but that seems pretty good
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> > > > > That’s not sprint, those are other new mechanics, and unfortunately, your idea would remove it (and there’s a lot of people who don’t want that). I’m trying to get a compromise on sprint, not the other Spartan Abilities.
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> > > > The ability to sprint in any direction without facing it, and have full use of melee guns and grenades while sprinting and a control layout that keeps sprint permanently on.
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> > > That’s not sprint it’s just the base speed.
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> >
> > Now you’re just being stubborn. His proposals literally keep you at sprint speed so you can reach things in a timely manner and feel faster. As we’ve discussed the maps wouldn’t be designed with with assumption that everyone can sprint so the maps won’t be as big. You say you like a risk/reward factor of sprinting when all I see is frustration because the risk to crossing a large open field is get destroyed because you have no cover and walk across it, or sprint across it, deal with shields not recharging and, if you run into somebody they get 1-2 free shots on you because you still need to ready your gun. Where’s the reward? There really isn’t one. Getting somewhere faster? Please, in Warzone or BTB it’s sprint or forget about it although BTB is a lot more forgiving depending on the map and where you are.
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> > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > > > For there to be a meaningful discussion on further compromising, I think it’d be best to lay out what each side wants.
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> > > > With that said, what aspects of Sprint do you like in Halo?
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> > > > I also can’t help but think it’s ironic that we’re talking about compromising on a mechanic that fundamentally compromises part of how Halo worked.
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> > > Alright here are the things I like about it:
> > > -The risk-reward factor of it
> > > -How you can move faster than the base speed to reach to a tactical position faster
> > > -Mainly just the fact that their are now 3 speeds (crouching, base, and sprint) which adds variety and more strategies that can be implemented into the game.
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> > > I don’t really think that sprint compromises how halo works, but anyways, what do you not like about sprint?
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> > These are the three things you listed that you liked. By upping base movement speed we agree you get places faster and there fore sprint isn’t necessary. Your number 3 point I find really pointless no offense because no one crouches around the map unless they’re waiting in ambush, which has always been in Halo. Sprint is more or less only for traversal and as many of us have said we think it kills game pace because you can’t use weapons, something we thoroughly enjoyed always being able to do in previous Halo games. Sprint really doesn’t add much strategy outside of Spartan charge which a lot of people hate and for everything in between there is slightly pushing your stick in a direction. I really don’t see any intricate strategies being implemented because of sprint and before you say flanking know that flanking has always been in basically every shooter game ever, sprint does not add it. As I said previously in this post as well I don’t believe sprint has a risk/reward factor considering the alternative is getting wrecked in 2-3 seconds because you can’t get anywhere efficiently with sprint and are stuck in the open and if you do sprint you can’t fight back. I find that less risk/reward and more dumb luck than anything.
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> > The only competent arguments I have seen so far have been I like to go fast and its an evolution. You’re the first person to mention strategy which is funny because I think sprint kills strategic play as most people turn to bumrush tactics since Spartan charge is so brutally effective. As for it being an evolution every game has sprint now basically. What would be an evolution of game formulas would be if Halo went back to championing no sprint gameplay. Hell Bethesda is reviving Quake on PC because they know that’s what the fan base wants. They aren’t gonna put sprint in because people just expect it this point and yes I know you didn’t argue this last part.
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> Yah. Pro-sprinters don’t just want a faster BMS, we want to flippin’ sprint! His proposal doesn’t let us sprint. Yah I like the risk-reward factor. I’d rather sprint to the end of the field with my weapon lowered the walk across the field with my weapon raised. If all goes well, then I get a weapon and a good tactical position without getting killed.
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> If you up the base speed, then everyone would be walking at the same pace so you wouldn’t get to your tactical position faster, just at the same time as everyone else. There’s a ton of people that crouch around the map. They do it for stealth and to hide behind cover. Spartan charge isn’t really a strategy. What makes sprint require some strategy is that you need to know when to stop, you can get to a tactical position faster, and you can escape death. If halo went back to no-sprint, that wouldn’t really be an evolution, it would be a de-evolution (devolution :D). Yah I know I didn’t get to respond to everything you said, but if you look at the last few pages, I’ve been quoted quite a bit and I’m trying to respond to everyone.
That’s fine, everyone getting to a power weapon or stronghold at the same time creates combat, this is a shooting game, we want more combat, more combat makes the game faster paced
In a couple of years, after the successes of Doom, Overwatch, new Quake, CS:GO, TF2, and whatever other popular FPS that launches without sprint it will be the opposite. Most games will not have sprint. There is no such thing as a “modern” mechanic. Sprint is not a “modern” game mechanic. There is a flow where certain things are popular, don’t get me wrong, but these things are not required for a game to be successful. There will be a future where Halo does not have Sprint anymore. This is mostly because 343i don’t set trends, they follow them, and clearly the only reason Sprint is in the game is because CoD had it and CoD is popular. (Josh Holmes basically strait up said as much)
Adapting a mechanic after a decade of boring, cookie-cutter, FPS games does not make your game stand out. In fact, it does the opposite, and this is what has happened to Halo since 343i’s take over. Halo is as generic as it gets now a days. When you look at what Halo 5 did when compared to other FPS games in the last five years it is all the same. Thrusters are nothing new. Sliding is nothing new. Sprinting is nothing new. In fact, the only new and interesting mechanic added with Halo 5 is Ground Pound, and I think that it is clearly the most interesting and that it best fits in with the sandbox without ruining other aspects.
When people blame Sprint for Halo’s demise it is overeating a little. Sprint is not why Halo has gone down the gutter. The real reason is that 343i and Microsoft have no idea what made Halo special, and have turned it into the most generic FPS possible in order to grab for money. Halo doesn’t stand out anymore. It doesn’t do anything new or different to attract an audience. Sprint isn’t the sole reason, but it is a part of it, maybe the biggest part.
The gameplay differences added in because of Sprint fundamentally change the way that the games are played. If you like this or not has nothing to do with it, it just does. It’s a fact. So the argument isn’t whether Sprint changes Halo or not, it’s whether you like Halo becoming extremely generic or not. We are only a tiny part of the community here. Our polls mean nothing. The true indicator that people don’t like the way that Halo is going is based on sales, and Halo 5 is the worst selling mainline Halo game ever, so I think that says a decent amount about how people feel about the game.
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> > Seriously y’all, sprint is here to stay. There’s no way Halo will go back now. Most newer players are going to want sprint, and any new players 343 reach will be expecting sprint. Halo 6 will have sprint. 343 has recieved way too much positive feedback about H5’s current movement/play style.
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> > If you really want no sprint, play MCC. Don’t buy the new halo game. If it’s a feature you care that much about, stick to it. But quit the useless argument. Quit venting, quit being in denial, and accept sprint is here is to stay. Arguing for sprint in the H5 forums is ridiculous at this point. I’m sorry, but there aren’t enough of you hardcore non-sprint fans for there to be a change. Even if 40% of waypointers want sprint gone, that’s not considering the rest of the halo population who spends no time on waypoint, and guess what, most of them like halo just the way it is, sprint included.
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> The forums are here to discuss what we like, don’t like, and want changed. We’re discussing what we want changed. If the only point you have to make is that it’s hard to stay with no reasoning then you have no reason to post here
I have a reason to post here. My point is that IMO sprint isn’t going anywhere. I hate to see people keep arguing about something that isn’t going to change. If it was going to change anywhere, it would’ve happened in H4. H5 built further on a more dynamic moving style. Is H6 going to forget all that progress and take out sprint? Very unlikely IMO.
I’m trying to say to y’all to stop getting so worked up about it. See the signs and accept the reality of where Halo is and where it will continue to go.
I hope y’all can accept it sooner so you continue to enjoy Halo. Otherwise, H6 will come out with sprint, and y’all will hate it, and stop playing. I enjoy Halo, and I want others to enjoy it too.
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Sprint was introduced in Halo Reach with the spartan ability. It was mainly (well… sorta) introduced in Halo 2 with the Speed Boost and you don’t hear people complaining about those times
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> > Seriously y’all, sprint is here to stay. There’s no way Halo will go back now. Most newer players are going to want sprint, and any new players 343 reach will be expecting sprint. Halo 6 will have sprint. 343 has recieved way too much positive feedback about H5’s current movement/play style.
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> > If you really want no sprint, play MCC. Don’t buy the new halo game. If it’s a feature you care that much about, stick to it. But quit the useless argument. Quit venting, quit being in denial, and accept sprint is here is to stay. Arguing for sprint in the H5 forums is ridiculous at this point. I’m sorry, but there aren’t enough of you hardcore non-sprint fans for there to be a change. Even if 40% of waypointers want sprint gone, that’s not considering the rest of the halo population who spends no time on waypoint, and guess what, most of them like halo just the way it is, sprint included.
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> Have you considered that keeping sprint is the dated mindset?
What are those 2 FPS titles? Are they new? Did they have previous titles that had sprint 3 times before them? I highly doubt it.
if I were to guess, I would say Doom and Overwatch? Just a guess, don’t grill me if I’m wrong.
Halo is in a unique situation. If you argue Halo should follow the trend of those other top FPS shooters and not include sprint, wouldn’t that give us another Halo 4? A game trying to be something else it sees in the market? Shouldn’t Halo work to maintain its own unique play style to be truly competitive? Just because other new FPS titles don’t have sprint doesn’t mean Halo should follow that trend. A fairly recent trend at that.
I think H5 did a great job of creating its own unique movement / play style. It should continue going down that road, with sprint intact.
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> > > > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > > > > > Keeping thruster and clamber, having 120/115 BMS instead of 100/110 (everyone benefits from that, 120 is just a little slower than sprint) and probably keeping micro transactions. Probably not everyone pro sprint wants those things but that seems pretty good
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> > > > > That’s not sprint, those are other new mechanics, and unfortunately, your idea would remove it (and there’s a lot of people who don’t want that). I’m trying to get a compromise on sprint, not the other Spartan Abilities.
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> > > > The ability to sprint in any direction without facing it, and have full use of melee guns and grenades while sprinting and a control layout that keeps sprint permanently on.
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> > Now you’re just being stubborn. His proposals literally keep you at sprint speed so you can reach things in a timely manner and feel faster. As we’ve discussed the maps wouldn’t be designed with with assumption that everyone can sprint so the maps won’t be as big. You say you like a risk/reward factor of sprinting when all I see is frustration because the risk to crossing a large open field is get destroyed because you have no cover and walk across it, or sprint across it, deal with shields not recharging and, if you run into somebody they get 1-2 free shots on you because you still need to ready your gun. Where’s the reward? There really isn’t one. Getting somewhere faster? Please, in Warzone or BTB it’s sprint or forget about it although BTB is a lot more forgiving depending on the map and where you are.
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> > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > > > For there to be a meaningful discussion on further compromising, I think it’d be best to lay out what each side wants.
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> > > > With that said, what aspects of Sprint do you like in Halo?
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> > > > I also can’t help but think it’s ironic that we’re talking about compromising on a mechanic that fundamentally compromises part of how Halo worked.
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> > > Alright here are the things I like about it:
> > > -The risk-reward factor of it
> > > -How you can move faster than the base speed to reach to a tactical position faster
> > > -Mainly just the fact that their are now 3 speeds (crouching, base, and sprint) which adds variety and more strategies that can be implemented into the game.
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> > > I don’t really think that sprint compromises how halo works, but anyways, what do you not like about sprint?
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> > These are the three things you listed that you liked. By upping base movement speed we agree you get places faster and there fore sprint isn’t necessary. Your number 3 point I find really pointless no offense because no one crouches around the map unless they’re waiting in ambush, which has always been in Halo. Sprint is more or less only for traversal and as many of us have said we think it kills game pace because you can’t use weapons, something we thoroughly enjoyed always being able to do in previous Halo games. Sprint really doesn’t add much strategy outside of Spartan charge which a lot of people hate and for everything in between there is slightly pushing your stick in a direction. I really don’t see any intricate strategies being implemented because of sprint and before you say flanking know that flanking has always been in basically every shooter game ever, sprint does not add it. As I said previously in this post as well I don’t believe sprint has a risk/reward factor considering the alternative is getting wrecked in 2-3 seconds because you can’t get anywhere efficiently with sprint and are stuck in the open and if you do sprint you can’t fight back. I find that less risk/reward and more dumb luck than anything.
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> > The only competent arguments I have seen so far have been I like to go fast and its an evolution. You’re the first person to mention strategy which is funny because I think sprint kills strategic play as most people turn to bumrush tactics since Spartan charge is so brutally effective. As for it being an evolution every game has sprint now basically. What would be an evolution of game formulas would be if Halo went back to championing no sprint gameplay. Hell Bethesda is reviving Quake on PC because they know that’s what the fan base wants. They aren’t gonna put sprint in because people just expect it this point and yes I know you didn’t argue this last part.
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> Yah. Pro-sprinters don’t just want a faster BMS, we want to flippin’ sprint! His proposal doesn’t let us sprint. Yah I like the risk-reward factor. I’d rather sprint to the end of the field with my weapon lowered the walk across the field with my weapon raised. If all goes well, then I get a weapon and a good tactical position without getting killed.
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> If you up the base speed, then everyone would be walking at the same pace so you wouldn’t get to your tactical position faster, just at the same time as everyone else. There’s a ton of people that crouch around the map. They do it for stealth and to hide behind cover. Spartan charge isn’t really a strategy. What makes sprint require some strategy is that you need to know when to stop, you can get to a tactical position faster, and you can escape death. If halo went back to no-sprint, that wouldn’t really be an evolution, it would be a de-evolution (devolution :D). Yah I know I didn’t get to respond to everything you said, but if you look at the last few pages, I’ve been quoted quite a bit and I’m trying to respond to everyone.
It wouldn’t really be walking would it if BMS was the same as sprint speed :). How about this, BMS is sprint speed and sprint is just an animation with no speed increase. Then people can feel like a super soldier or whatever it is that they like about sprint.
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> > > > > > > Obviously its not, as this is probably the most divisive topic for players in Halo, which is why your seeing this topic grow as much at is has. I actually like Sprint, that’s my opinion. But to ignore the arguments of other players would completely defeat the purpose of a forum that we; fans of these games are engaged in. By engaging in these debates, we can all come together and create a better community, and a better playing experience for everyone. Your not going to please everyone, but at the same time if these conversations don’t take place, then how are we going to progress as a community?
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> > > > > > Yeah whatever bro
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> > > > > I guess ignorance is bless…bro
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> > > > The only thing I’m ignorant towards are all the petty little complaints about virtually every aspect of the game that takes skill to use, I.e “The game is bad because my aim is bad” or “remove sprint because super soldiers should only jog and it ruins Halo”. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, it’s not sprint that’s the problem, it’s the abilities tied to the use of sprint that makes it an issue. It makes sense for the game and also makes canonical sense too, bro.
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> > > Why can’t my super soldier go prone, why can’t he move fast while shooting, why can’t I remove my helmet, why can’t my helmet deflect a single assault rifle round, why does the ar do more headshot damage while scoped in. The lore behind gameplay has never mattered, gameplay > lore
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Yeah, and your counter point was -Yoink-
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> Yah. Pro-sprinters don’t just want a faster BMS, we want to flippin’ sprint! His proposal doesn’t let us sprint. Yah I like the risk-reward factor. I’d rather sprint to the end of the field with my weapon lowered the walk across the field with my weapon raised. If all goes well, then I get a weapon and a good tactical position without getting killed.
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> If you up the base speed, then everyone would be walking at the same pace so you wouldn’t get to your tactical position faster, just at the same time as everyone else. There’s a ton of people that crouch around the map. They do it for stealth and to hide behind cover. Spartan charge isn’t really a strategy. What makes sprint require some strategy is that you need to know when to stop, you can get to a tactical position faster, and you can escape death. If halo went back to no-sprint, that wouldn’t really be an evolution, it would be a de-evolution (devolution :D). Yah I know I didn’t get to respond to everything you said, but if you look at the last few pages, I’ve been quoted quite a bit and I’m trying to respond to everyone.
I’ll be blunt: pro-sprinters don’t know what they want. They only think they know what they want. You can take one look at this thread alone and tell that they don’t know the purpose of sprint when saying things like, “without it the game is slow”, “the game needs to evolve”, and “it’s necessary for shooters now” which highlights their misunderstanding of game design and the gaming market.
Those are people who need to be shown want they want because, in the case of sprint, they don’t know how things would work if it were removed or what would happen, they just make incorrect assumptions. I wouldn’t even be surprised if many of them are on the younger side of the fanbase, because most of them that are in their teens probably know very, very little as to what a sprintless game would be like and also know little of the nuances of the gameplay as a whole.
You’re a prime example. You insist no sprint it’s a de-evolution, that sprint is necessary and that people only want sprint, not some substitute where you go faster by default with no sprint. I’d wager that you to are probably on the younger side, which makes you not only extremely biased, but likely limited in what you know of pre-sprint modern day shooters. You see anything from the past as de-evolution (even though there are countless contradictions to that thought process even within this very series) because you think and look no further than surface level on issues like this.
If you left the masses to ask for what they want, progress would slow to a -Yoinking!- crawl and nothing new would ever happen. Halo never would’ve happened, Modern Warfare never would’ve happened, Gears of War never would’ve happened, Destiny never would’ve happened and Overwatch never would’ve happened (and that’s just a few). These are games that gave people ways to play that they never knew they wanted. It’s the devs jobs to show people want they want and 343 has never done that.
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> > > Seriously y’all, sprint is here to stay. There’s no way Halo will go back now. Most newer players are going to want sprint, and any new players 343 reach will be expecting sprint. Halo 6 will have sprint. 343 has recieved way too much positive feedback about H5’s current movement/play style.
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> > > If you really want no sprint, play MCC. Don’t buy the new halo game. If it’s a feature you care that much about, stick to it. But quit the useless argument. Quit venting, quit being in denial, and accept sprint is here is to stay. Arguing for sprint in the H5 forums is ridiculous at this point. I’m sorry, but there aren’t enough of you hardcore non-sprint fans for there to be a change. Even if 40% of waypointers want sprint gone, that’s not considering the rest of the halo population who spends no time on waypoint, and guess what, most of them like halo just the way it is, sprint included.
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> > The forums are here to discuss what we like, don’t like, and want changed. We’re discussing what we want changed. If the only point you have to make is that it’s hard to stay with no reasoning then you have no reason to post here
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> I have a reason to post here. My point is that IMO sprint isn’t going anywhere. I hate to see people keep arguing about something that isn’t going to change. If it was going to change anywhere, it would’ve happened in H4. H5 built further on a more dynamic moving style. Is H6 going to forget all that progress and take out sprint? Very unlikely IMO.
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> I’m trying to say to y’all to stop getting so worked up about it. See the signs and accept the reality of where Halo is and where it will continue to go.
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> I hope y’all can accept it sooner so you continue to enjoy Halo. Otherwise, H6 will come out with sprint, and y’all will hate it, and stop playing. I enjoy Halo, and I want others to enjoy it too.
All of your points can be directly compared to dual wielding and that got removed because it hurt the game.
If 343i think that sprint hurts the game they will remove it. That’s why people come on here and complain.
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> No. Being able to shoot while running is an evolution, compared to not being able to shoot while running.
I’m still not sure how peopel think limiting the player is evolution. Even CoD now lets players have unlimited sprint and even reload while sprinting by default. I’m obviously not suggesting that happen in Halo, I’m only pointing out that even CoD is removing limitations that don’t need to be there which makes things faster paced and more engaging for those games.
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> > > > Seriously y’all, sprint is here to stay. There’s no way Halo will go back now. Most newer players are going to want sprint, and any new players 343 reach will be expecting sprint. Halo 6 will have sprint. 343 has recieved way too much positive feedback about H5’s current movement/play style.
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> > > > If you really want no sprint, play MCC. Don’t buy the new halo game. If it’s a feature you care that much about, stick to it. But quit the useless argument. Quit venting, quit being in denial, and accept sprint is here is to stay. Arguing for sprint in the H5 forums is ridiculous at this point. I’m sorry, but there aren’t enough of you hardcore non-sprint fans for there to be a change. Even if 40% of waypointers want sprint gone, that’s not considering the rest of the halo population who spends no time on waypoint, and guess what, most of them like halo just the way it is, sprint included.
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> > I have a reason to post here. My point is that IMO sprint isn’t going anywhere. I hate to see people keep arguing about something that isn’t going to change. If it was going to change anywhere, it would’ve happened in H4. H5 built further on a more dynamic moving style. Is H6 going to forget all that progress and take out sprint? Very unlikely IMO.
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> > I’m trying to say to y’all to stop getting so worked up about it. See the signs and accept the reality of where Halo is and where it will continue to go.
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> > I hope y’all can accept it sooner so you continue to enjoy Halo. Otherwise, H6 will come out with sprint, and y’all will hate it, and stop playing. I enjoy Halo, and I want others to enjoy it too.
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> All of your points can be directly compared to dual wielding and that got removed because it hurt the game.
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> If 343i think that sprint hurts the game they will remove it. That’s why people come on here and complain.
Yeah, except dual wielding was never an integral part to gameplay style/ movement style. That comparison makes for an over simplification. Its a much smaller feature that can be taken out with little to no harm.