The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > I’m with the sprint on this don’t hate me for it
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> > > > > Halo 5 is probably the best thing that has happened to the Halo Series
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> > > > LOLWUT?
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> > > Halo 5 is a great game. The series has a great opportunity to continue the diversity from any other series.
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> > But h5 is incredibly generic and similar to several other games.
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> > Hell, according to 343 themselves sprint is in the game because “people expect it”. That is literally the opposite of diversifying your product.
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> what makes it generic is peoples want and need to want to manipulate the game for self satisfaction of cheating others. being a troll on Forums over the ability to sprint or not is beyond ignorance in all honesty… If you don’t want to sprint go play a game like dragon age whener when your bags are to full you wont be able to move… h5 is not real life… its a program. if you want different go to school and make your own game. but realize h5 has made over 65million dollars and your complaining $0.00

Is this sarcasm?

I refuse to belive this is a serious post.

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> > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> Wait, what?
> Excuse me?
> *.*What compromise are you talking about?
> Sprint is still a spawn ability.
> Sprint is still in every gamemode.
> And last but not least, sprint is now indefinite, exponentionally increasing all the detrimental effects it had on the gameplay.
> How on earth is this a compromise?

The compromise where they tied sprint to shields, made it so if you get shot and aren’t at max velocity, you will stop sprinting, and made it so you have to get to max velocity. Go to 3:06. They acknowledge both sides then said how they balanced it. That is literally a compromise.

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Just because Sprint is a new feature doesn’t make Halo somthing bad. Its useful. i’ve played since CE and to be honest the series felt… fatigued, Its a small change but it keeps it fresh in some small way.

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> > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > Wait, what?
> > Excuse me?
> > *.*What compromise are you talking about?
> > Sprint is still a spawn ability.
> > Sprint is still in every gamemode.
> > And last but not least, sprint is now indefinite, exponentionally increasing all the detrimental effects it had on the gameplay.
> > How on earth is this a compromise?
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> The compromise where they tied sprint to shields, made it so if you get shot and aren’t at max velocity, you will stop sprinting, and made it so you have to get to max velocity. Go to 3:06. They acknowledge both sides then said how they balanced it. That is literally a compromise.

That was them balancing unlimited sprint, that was not a compromise and it fixed none of the issues with sprint

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> > > > > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > > > > > > For there to be a meaningful discussion on further compromising, I think it’d be best to lay out what each side wants.
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> > > > > > > With that said, what aspects of Sprint do you like in Halo?
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> > > > > > > I also can’t help but think it’s ironic that we’re talking about compromising on a mechanic that fundamentally compromises part of how Halo worked.
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> > > > > > Alright here are the things I like about it:
> > > > > > -The risk-reward factor of it
> > > > > > -How you can move faster than the base speed to reach to a tactical position faster
> > > > > > -Mainly just the fact that their are now 3 speeds (crouching, base, and sprint) which adds variety and more strategies that can be implemented into the game.
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> > > > > > I don’t really think that sprint compromises how halo works, but anyways, what do you not like about sprint?
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> > > > > Found my proposal from earlier
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> > > > > > Consider the following: the player is able to toggle between faster movement speed and faster shield recharge rate (a 10-20% increase perhaps?), maintaining all omni-directional / combat capabilities regardless of which “mode” the player is using. Maps would be tuned to allow proper navigation regardless of which “mode” players are using (no jumps that can only be made with the speed boost, etc.). Shields would be able to recharge while in the “Sprint mode”, but at a slower rate than the “Shield mode” (naturally).
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> > > > > > I think this would act as a suitable compromise, given that it:
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> > > > > > - offers a faster speed to players
> > > > > > - provides a “tactical” choice for players to think about
> > > > > > - resolves the pursuit issues brought on by Sprint’s current iteration
> > > > > > - allows players to operate at optimal speed (in all directions) with all combat abilities (shoot, melee, throw grenade)
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> > > > I can see myself gradually liking this, but there aren’t enough disadvantages for sprinting. I believe the halo 5 shield recharge system should stay, as well as all of the other balances made in halo 5, but it should also give the player more negatives. Your Spartan’s virtual shoulders could shake, making the reticle bloom and having the reticle slightly move around the screen. I think that would make it so that it’s not OP.
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> > > My proposal isn’t Sprint. Its a faster base movement speed that you can switch to at the cost of slower shield recovery.
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> > > Something I’d never really considered before but, given how the term “base movement speed” applied to the original Halo trilogy, isn’t “the fastest speed the player can achieve sans external mechanics like vehicles or man cannons and the speed that travel times should be measured with” a suitable definition in that context? Thinking that its a fair definition, let’s take it a step further: what does Sprint change in terms of the BMS? It increases it, but limits directional control and all methods that players use to deal damage. Just a thought…
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> > > A few questions, as I’m trying to better understand your views:
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> > > - Do you think it is inherently beneficial to have more movement speeds? If so, why?
> > > - Why do you feel that the player should be put at disadvantages while moving at the speed maps must be designed for (the fastest speed the player can achieve sans vehicles/man cannons/speed boosts)?
> > > - If the next Halo game were released without a Sprint mechanic, would you still buy/play it?
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> > 1. I believe sprint make the game more fun. This is just my opinion that I know many disagree with. That’s where so much of the community’s opinions differ. It’s really just an argument of what they think is more fun.
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> > 2. They should be put at a disadvantage so there is still that risk-reward factor that sprint gives to us. Having the player be put at a disadvantage would give them less incentive to run at high speeds the entire time. The maps should be made in account for sprint, but basic jumps should not need sprint to accomplish. Long jumps that weren’t made to be accomplished in the first place should require a sprint and a thrust.
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> > 3. Yes, of course. I like sprint, but I love halo more. I would prefer the gameplay that has some kind of sprint mechanic, but that wouldn’t stop me from buying and playing the -Yoink- out of the most recent halo game. Unfortunately, I can’t say the same for some of my friends (their favorite franchise is CoD, and the reason they like halo 4/5 is because of sprint). I wouldn’t consider them true fans though.
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> - I understand that you think its fun to sprint. I’m asking why you think its fun/beneficial to have another “gear” for movement. Do you think having yet another movement speed (going prone, for example) would make the game more enjoyable for you?
> - A trade-off can (and should, in my opinion) be established without making disadvantages like disabling weapons or making weapons less accurate. Look at the relation between “normal” movement and crouching. Crouching has a trade-off between movement speed and avatar size/motion tracker visibility. I believe a trade-off can add depth to gameplay, but it should promote combat and still reward skill.
> - Glad to hear that. That said, I wasn’t going to try any “no true Scotsman” fallacy had your answer been yes.

  1. I feel that I have another option in my pocket. If 2 guys are rushing me, I can just go behind a corner and sprint away. Or I there’s a rocket launcher that I want to get first, I don’t want walk to it, I want to sprint to it and get there faster. There’s just something I don’t like when having to walk in the open, when I really just want to sprint there. It adds more variety IMO. I would not like a Spartan going prone. To me, going prone isn’t a movement speed, but someone trying to make themselves a smaller, less-noticeable target.

  2. The reason crouching doesn’t provide a huge disadvantage is because it doesn’t give you a huge advantage. It’s being off the radar for the price of slower movement, and that’s pretty balanced. With your sprint idea, people would be dashing across the map with almost no downside. If they get shot, they can just run somewhere else and wait the extra 2 seconds it takes to recharge their shields. It would be OP and make the base speed practically useless. That’s why we need something that still lets you guys use the golden triangle, but also lets us sprint and has a risk-reward factor.

  3. I answered yes, but you probably meant no.

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> > > > Safe to assume this is a rather controversial topic in the scope of this franchise. Outside of feeling immersed in the lore, is there a competent argument for sprints continued inclusion? Lets avoid talking about how COD and “all modern” shooters have it, why should halo have it?
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> > > because the jack as-ses who made the game decided to put it in the game?
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> > Is this the dont question anything approach? Why have a forum if discussion isnt allowed to question any ideas, thats rather orwellian isnt it?
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> No this is- what is your point kind of approach. I understand the forum function but this topic specifically has been talked about since the beginning of time, WTF. What is the point on trying to convince each other if neither party has the power to make a change to the game? its a waste of time, need to find the direct line to 343 and get answers. And if this is ever established everyone needs to make a push through that door…you dig? I am neutral on this matter like most of the issues people tend to complain about, so sprint really doesn’t bother me in any way.

I’m not sure you understand basic economics. A product is tailored to suit a market demand, the demand will determine the success of any product. Markets have reactions and reactions to said reactions and so on. Utilizing the devs forums to express a tweak in their product is worthwhile, as it is to also use the tools theyve provided such as forge. The guys at TB have and continue to tweak the new halo settings and it has been met with great admiration. Perhaps, I’m just spitballing here, halo can evolve past sprint in its gameplay. We’ve had it for 6 years , it’s getting stale and frankly we’ve seen a bipolar Dev that works on what it expects the market reaction to be.

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> > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > > Wait, what?
> > > Excuse me?
> > > *.*What compromise are you talking about?
> > > Sprint is still a spawn ability.
> > > Sprint is still in every gamemode.
> > > And last but not least, sprint is now indefinite, exponentionally increasing all the detrimental effects it had on the gameplay.
> > > How on earth is this a compromise?
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> > The compromise where they tied sprint to shields, made it so if you get shot and aren’t at max velocity, you will stop sprinting, and made it so you have to get to max velocity. Go to 3:06. They acknowledge both sides then said how they balanced it. That is literally a compromise.
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> That was them balancing unlimited sprint, that was not a compromise and it fixed none of the issues with sprint

No it wasn’t. Unlimited sprint doesn’t require balancing. Regular sprint did. This makes it so people are less likely to sprint, run away if they’re losing, and recharge their shields while they’re running away. It’s pretty much the same as halo 3’s answer to dual wielding.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > > > > > > > > > > You know all those sprint polls you say don’t matter because they’re old? Well, they were made after Halo 4 released and showed that the majority did not like it. It wasn’t even close.
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> > > > > > > > > > > They added a mechanic most people didn’t like. No compromise was necessary, they should’ve just removed it. No game can be built as everything for everyone.
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> > > > > > > > > > Do you have a link to some of those polls? I wasn’t really on the forums then. If enough people like something then there should be compromise. If they removed it, they would’ve killed a part of the population. I know what you’re going to say; “but they killed a bigger portion of the fan-base by keeping sprint.” If sprint was the deciding factor for long time fans, then they really shouldn’t be considered true fans of the franchise. It was all of 343’s other stupid ideas that killed a portion, not just sprint.
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> > > > > > > > > I don’t feel like getting the link on mobile since I’m pretty sure you’ve seen these polls. Try googling, “Reddit halo sprint poll”. It will almost definitely be the first result and it contains a collection of polls from Waypoint, Reddit and Beyond, with the Waypoint poll being particularly large. They all support no sprint by a landslide.
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> > > > > > > > > Fans are fans. If anything, these “true fans” shouldn’t matter since apparently they’ll play it no matter what.
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> > > > > > > > What’s your point? Times and opinions have changed. People have come to and left the franchise since then. I didn’t see a sprint poll on Reddit that is in 2016, or even when halo 5 came out.
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> > > > > > > Lol you don’t even remember how we started this particular conversation. Follow it back to your post I originally respond to and hopefully you’ll see why what you just said is irrelevant.
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> > > > > > > Though I don’t think there’s any evidence that very many people have come to the franchise.
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> > > > > > Yah I’ve responded to like 4 different people on this thread today, so I’ve gotten a bit lost.
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> > > > > > Ohhhh ok, I’m back on track now. You didn’t want to have to compromise with something that nobody wanted in the first place, right? I can agree with that to an extent. Unfortunately for you, now many fans like sprint, so you we all kinda have to compromise now. Back then, I agree, you shouldn’t have had to, but now, a compromise needs to be reached.
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> > > > > Theres little to suggest more people like it. Perhaps more people within this now much smaller fan base like it, but it terms of former fans (AKA potentially returning fans) there’s reason to believe more people still don’t like it.
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> > > > > As long as the fanbase continues to shrink, no compromise is necessary. Do what’s good for the game and what people wanted in the first place and people will come (and come back). If the fan base were growing, then perhaps a compromise would be sensible, but that’s not the case.
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> > > > I never said more people like it. There’s just enough people that do like it to require a compromise. As long as it continues to shrink, a compromise is absolutely necessary. With a compromise, we can bring back old fans while also keeping the new ones. If we don’t compromise, the scales are going to be tipped one way or another, and both ways don’t look like sunshine and rainbows.
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> > > > We can’t go back to what the community wanted at first. Alright, I’m about to attempt an analogy. Let’s say I like chocolate ice cream and get it every time I go to the ice cream shop. But one time, my order is screwed up and I get vanilla. At first I’m angry, but once I try it, I find that I like it a lot. Now I’m torn whether to get chocolate or vanilla, so I compromise and get a chocolate-vanilla swirl. That’s what we as a community need right now. That chocolate-vanilla swirl that will make everyone happy.
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> > > There’s no reason to think that “just enough people like it”, because sales decreased at the same time anti-sprinters within the fan base seemingly decreased. If anything, that suggests it’s largely the same as it’s always been.
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> > > A small fan base is not when you make compromises to get back fans. They left because all they were getting was a compromise to an issue the majority didn’t support. Compromises won’t - and haven’t, mind you - bring back any significant amount of people.
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> > > Your analogy doesn’t make sense. Obviously people didn’t like the new flavor, so the compromise isn’t much better. Instead, they go to a different ice cream shop that knows how to not -Yoink- up people’s orders and doesn’t tell them, “some people expect vanilla, so we threw some in with your chocolate”. But let’s not get stuck on an analogy, as that happens to often.
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> > There’s enough people that like it now that if 343 just took out sprint, they’d be killing another major part of the community.
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> > I know the fan base is smaller, but not a lot is because of sprint. 343 really screwed up halo 4 and made it like CoD (not just with sprint), and that turned off a lot of fans. Then the MCC came out and released unplayable, so that also killed another part of the community. Then halo 5 comes out, and it releases with not best campaign and very little content, so that killed a bit of fans too. What I’m getting at here is that sprint isn’t the only thing that killed a lot community, so removing sprint will bring back a few fans while also alienating others. That’s why a compromise is needed.
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> > My analogy had me be the community, where part of me liked sprint (vanilla) and part of me didn’t (chocolate). But as you said, let’s not get stuck on analogies.
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> What we’re saying though is most of the people who like sprint would probably buy the game anyway. Most of them don’t even know why they like sprint, they like it because it’s what they have and they don’t want change. If we had a 115/120 BMS game keeping everything except Spartan charge and sprint some might leave but we would gain a lot more

What makes you say that? Of course the die hard halo fans would buy it, but not people that like sprint. As I already stated in the post you quoted me in, removing sprint won’t bring back a huge portion of the fan-base.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > You know all those sprint polls you say don’t matter because they’re old? Well, they were made after Halo 4 released and showed that the majority did not like it. It wasn’t even close.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > They added a mechanic most people didn’t like. No compromise was necessary, they should’ve just removed it. No game can be built as everything for everyone.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Do you have a link to some of those polls? I wasn’t really on the forums then. If enough people like something then there should be compromise. If they removed it, they would’ve killed a part of the population. I know what you’re going to say; “but they killed a bigger portion of the fan-base by keeping sprint.” If sprint was the deciding factor for long time fans, then they really shouldn’t be considered true fans of the franchise. It was all of 343’s other stupid ideas that killed a portion, not just sprint.
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> > > > > > > > > > I don’t feel like getting the link on mobile since I’m pretty sure you’ve seen these polls. Try googling, “Reddit halo sprint poll”. It will almost definitely be the first result and it contains a collection of polls from Waypoint, Reddit and Beyond, with the Waypoint poll being particularly large. They all support no sprint by a landslide.
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> > > > > > > > > > Fans are fans. If anything, these “true fans” shouldn’t matter since apparently they’ll play it no matter what.
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> > > > > > > > > What’s your point? Times and opinions have changed. People have come to and left the franchise since then. I didn’t see a sprint poll on Reddit that is in 2016, or even when halo 5 came out.
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> > > > > > > > Lol you don’t even remember how we started this particular conversation. Follow it back to your post I originally respond to and hopefully you’ll see why what you just said is irrelevant.
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> > > > > > > > Though I don’t think there’s any evidence that very many people have come to the franchise.
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> > > > > > > Yah I’ve responded to like 4 different people on this thread today, so I’ve gotten a bit lost.
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> > > > > > > Ohhhh ok, I’m back on track now. You didn’t want to have to compromise with something that nobody wanted in the first place, right? I can agree with that to an extent. Unfortunately for you, now many fans like sprint, so you we all kinda have to compromise now. Back then, I agree, you shouldn’t have had to, but now, a compromise needs to be reached.
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> > > > > > Theres little to suggest more people like it. Perhaps more people within this now much smaller fan base like it, but it terms of former fans (AKA potentially returning fans) there’s reason to believe more people still don’t like it.
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> > > > > > As long as the fanbase continues to shrink, no compromise is necessary. Do what’s good for the game and what people wanted in the first place and people will come (and come back). If the fan base were growing, then perhaps a compromise would be sensible, but that’s not the case.
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> > > > > I never said more people like it. There’s just enough people that do like it to require a compromise. As long as it continues to shrink, a compromise is absolutely necessary. With a compromise, we can bring back old fans while also keeping the new ones. If we don’t compromise, the scales are going to be tipped one way or another, and both ways don’t look like sunshine and rainbows.
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> > > > > We can’t go back to what the community wanted at first. Alright, I’m about to attempt an analogy. Let’s say I like chocolate ice cream and get it every time I go to the ice cream shop. But one time, my order is screwed up and I get vanilla. At first I’m angry, but once I try it, I find that I like it a lot. Now I’m torn whether to get chocolate or vanilla, so I compromise and get a chocolate-vanilla swirl. That’s what we as a community need right now. That chocolate-vanilla swirl that will make everyone happy.
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> > > > There’s no reason to think that “just enough people like it”, because sales decreased at the same time anti-sprinters within the fan base seemingly decreased. If anything, that suggests it’s largely the same as it’s always been.
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> > > > A small fan base is not when you make compromises to get back fans. They left because all they were getting was a compromise to an issue the majority didn’t support. Compromises won’t - and haven’t, mind you - bring back any significant amount of people.
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> > > > Your analogy doesn’t make sense. Obviously people didn’t like the new flavor, so the compromise isn’t much better. Instead, they go to a different ice cream shop that knows how to not -Yoink- up people’s orders and doesn’t tell them, “some people expect vanilla, so we threw some in with your chocolate”. But let’s not get stuck on an analogy, as that happens to often.
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> > > There’s enough people that like it now that if 343 just took out sprint, they’d be killing another major part of the community.
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> > > I know the fan base is smaller, but not a lot is because of sprint. 343 really screwed up halo 4 and made it like CoD (not just with sprint), and that turned off a lot of fans. Then the MCC came out and released unplayable, so that also killed another part of the community. Then halo 5 comes out, and it releases with not best campaign and very little content, so that killed a bit of fans too. What I’m getting at here is that sprint isn’t the only thing that killed a lot community, so removing sprint will bring back a few fans while also alienating others. That’s why a compromise is needed.
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> > > My analogy had me be the community, where part of me liked sprint (vanilla) and part of me didn’t (chocolate). But as you said, let’s not get stuck on analogies.
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> > What we’re saying though is most of the people who like sprint would probably buy the game anyway. Most of them don’t even know why they like sprint, they like it because it’s what they have and they don’t want change. If we had a 115/120 BMS game keeping everything except Spartan charge and sprint some might leave but we would gain a lot more
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> What makes you say that? Of course the die hard halo fans would buy it, but not people that like sprint. As I already stated in the post you quoted me in, removing sprint won’t bring back a huge portion of the fan-base.

These are all assumptions.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You’re making an assumption that the forum population is at all a reflection of the total population of people who buy Halo games. Consider that the forums are likely biased towards people who have problems with the game because people who don’t have problems are less likely to go to forums.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another completely unjustifiable assumption you are making is that sprint is the reason Halo has become less popular. Since sprint was introduced in Reach, there have been dozens of other things that could’ve contributed to player disappointment including other new gameplay mechanics, changes in campaign, and game customization options. It’s completely impossible to attribute the decrease in popularity to any single thing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’m not assuming anything. It’s the opposite side saying sprint isn’t as big an issue as we’re making it out to be. They’re the ones putting forth assumptions. My argument doesn’t live or die based on how big a problem people find sprint. Others bring it up as a straw man because they have nothing to actually argue with or support their point. If they did, that - and only that - would be what they present.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, did I interpret your comment wrong? You’re not implying in the quoted post that sprint is the main reason people got fed up and moved on? If not, then that’s my bad.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I meant to say it was a reason, not the reason.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay I’m gonna have to call you out on that one- you’re trying to fall back into the whole “subject change,” instead of admitting and owning up to what you said earlier.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said, and I quote, “Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @tsassi’s issue with what you’re implying is the exact same as mine- you said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise” which is a completely baseless claim and not even close to reality. Unlike what you’re implying, the reality is that most people haven’t gotten fed up with Halo and deserted the franchise because of sprint. And look, I understand why you don’t like sprint- I really do. I don’t feel the need prey on every single point you and the rest of the anti-sprinters bring up on the issue. You’ve got a right to form your own opinions and this would be a much less contentious (and more productive) thread if all the anti-sprinters felt the same way about pro-sprinters instead of aggressively attacking them for having an opposing viewpoint. But above all else, I really don’t think it’s right for you to continue to try and over represent your opinions on the matter to make it appear to be the “single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” because sprint is just not even close to being that big of a deal in the community. Maybe it’s that big of a deal for you, and I would totally respect that if you could just keep this issue in perspective.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right.”
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok bro, just let me know when you’re done strawmanning and assuming. I’ll be here to discuss the issues when/if you do.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I just directly quoted you and pointed out why @tsassi and I had an issue with what you stated. You literally said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” which simply cannot be defended because it cannot be true. You’re now changing the subject which is exactly what I predicted would happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > However I did not say, “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right,” so whenever you may be ready to discuss this someday I would appreciate it if you could start by accurately quoting me.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > While his claim may be baseless and possibly wrong.
> > > > > > > > > > > What makes your claim that it can’t be true, any more right than his?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am just saying it does not matter its just running jeez
> > >
> > >
> > > If it doesn’t matter to you it shouldn’t to me?
> >
> >
> > all I’m saying is that its a game and many other games have it like c.o.d and battlefield so your saying sprint shouldn’t be in any games because it ruins how the original versions were?
>
>
> “it’s a game”, look previous posts of mine.
>
> So why should I accept sprint in Halo because other games have it?
> No, I dislike the effect sprint has on the gameplay.

oh okay :ok_hand:

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You know all those sprint polls you say don’t matter because they’re old? Well, they were made after Halo 4 released and showed that the majority did not like it. It wasn’t even close.
> > > > > > > > > > > They added a mechanic most people didn’t like. No compromise was necessary, they should’ve just removed it. No game can be built as everything for everyone.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Do you have a link to some of those polls? I wasn’t really on the forums then. If enough people like something then there should be compromise. If they removed it, they would’ve killed a part of the population. I know what you’re going to say; “but they killed a bigger portion of the fan-base by keeping sprint.” If sprint was the deciding factor for long time fans, then they really shouldn’t be considered true fans of the franchise. It was all of 343’s other stupid ideas that killed a portion, not just sprint.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don’t feel like getting the link on mobile since I’m pretty sure you’ve seen these polls. Try googling, “Reddit halo sprint poll”. It will almost definitely be the first result and it contains a collection of polls from Waypoint, Reddit and Beyond, with the Waypoint poll being particularly large. They all support no sprint by a landslide.
> > > > > > > > > Fans are fans. If anything, these “true fans” shouldn’t matter since apparently they’ll play it no matter what.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What’s your point? Times and opinions have changed. People have come to and left the franchise since then. I didn’t see a sprint poll on Reddit that is in 2016, or even when halo 5 came out.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lol you don’t even remember how we started this particular conversation. Follow it back to your post I originally respond to and hopefully you’ll see why what you just said is irrelevant.
> > > > > > > Though I don’t think there’s any evidence that very many people have come to the franchise.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yah I’ve responded to like 4 different people on this thread today, so I’ve gotten a bit lost.
> > > > > > Ohhhh ok, I’m back on track now. You didn’t want to have to compromise with something that nobody wanted in the first place, right? I can agree with that to an extent. Unfortunately for you, now many fans like sprint, so you we all kinda have to compromise now. Back then, I agree, you shouldn’t have had to, but now, a compromise needs to be reached.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Theres little to suggest more people like it. Perhaps more people within this now much smaller fan base like it, but it terms of former fans (AKA potentially returning fans) there’s reason to believe more people still don’t like it.
> > > > > As long as the fanbase continues to shrink, no compromise is necessary. Do what’s good for the game and what people wanted in the first place and people will come (and come back). If the fan base were growing, then perhaps a compromise would be sensible, but that’s not the case.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I never said more people like it. There’s just enough people that do like it to require a compromise. As long as it continues to shrink, a compromise is absolutely necessary. With a compromise, we can bring back old fans while also keeping the new ones. If we don’t compromise, the scales are going to be tipped one way or another, and both ways don’t look like sunshine and rainbows.
> > > > We can’t go back to what the community wanted at first. Alright, I’m about to attempt an analogy. Let’s say I like chocolate ice cream and get it every time I go to the ice cream shop. But one time, my order is screwed up and I get vanilla. At first I’m angry, but once I try it, I find that I like it a lot. Now I’m torn whether to get chocolate or vanilla, so I compromise and get a chocolate-vanilla swirl. That’s what we as a community need right now. That chocolate-vanilla swirl that will make everyone happy.
> > >
> > >
> > > I go to the ice cream store.
> > > I always get cookie dough. I love cookie dough.
> > > One day they give me orange sherbert instead. I hate it.
> > > They keep mixing up my order and keep giving me orange sherbert.
> > > I tell them to stop messing up my order and give me my -Yoink!- cookie dough ice cream.
> > > “Okay, okay we hear you…but how would you like this mixture of cookie dough and orange sherbert? Eh? Eh?”
> > > I just drop the ice cream on the floor and walk out. Disgusting.
> > >
> > > Analogies are fun.
> >
> >
> > Analogies are fun, aren’t they? Are you comparing yourself to the community, because I bet some of the community likes orange sherbert? You are saying the compromise will make both sides mad, and I admit, that is possible, but we’re trying to come to a compromise that will make both sides happy.
>
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> A high BMS, we get the ability to move in any direction fast and not lower our weapon and you get to keep the ability to move fast while still having the option to move slower

It looks like you don’t understand what pro-sprinters want. Look at mine and A6ENT C’s conversation to help give you a better look.

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> > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Keeping thruster and clamber, having 120/115 BMS instead of 100/110 (everyone benefits from that, 120 is just a little slower than sprint) and probably keeping micro transactions. Probably not everyone pro sprint wants those things but that seems pretty good
> > >
> > >
> > > That’s not sprint, those are other new mechanics, and unfortunately, your idea would remove it (and there’s a lot of people who don’t want that). I’m trying to get a compromise on sprint, not the other Spartan Abilities.
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> >
> > The ability to sprint in any direction without facing it, and have full use of melee guns and grenades while sprinting and a control layout that keeps sprint permanently on.
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> That’s not sprint it’s just the base speed.

Now you’re just being stubborn. His proposals literally keep you at sprint speed so you can reach things in a timely manner and feel faster. As we’ve discussed the maps wouldn’t be designed with with assumption that everyone can sprint so the maps won’t be as big. You say you like a risk/reward factor of sprinting when all I see is frustration because the risk to crossing a large open field is get destroyed because you have no cover and walk across it, or sprint across it, deal with shields not recharging and, if you run into somebody they get 1-2 free shots on you because you still need to ready your gun. Where’s the reward? There really isn’t one. Getting somewhere faster? Please, in Warzone or BTB it’s sprint or forget about it although BTB is a lot more forgiving depending on the map and where you are.

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> > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
> >
> >
> > For there to be a meaningful discussion on further compromising, I think it’d be best to lay out what each side wants.
> >
> > With that said, what aspects of Sprint do you like in Halo?
> >
> > I also can’t help but think it’s ironic that we’re talking about compromising on a mechanic that fundamentally compromises part of how Halo worked.
>
>
> Alright here are the things I like about it:
> -The risk-reward factor of it
> -How you can move faster than the base speed to reach to a tactical position faster
> -Mainly just the fact that their are now 3 speeds (crouching, base, and sprint) which adds variety and more strategies that can be implemented into the game.
>
> I don’t really think that sprint compromises how halo works, but anyways, what do you not like about sprint?

These are the three things you listed that you liked. By upping base movement speed we agree you get places faster and there fore sprint isn’t necessary. Your number 3 point I find really pointless no offense because no one crouches around the map unless they’re waiting in ambush, which has always been in Halo. Sprint is more or less only for traversal and as many of us have said we think it kills game pace because you can’t use weapons, something we thoroughly enjoyed always being able to do in previous Halo games. Sprint really doesn’t add much strategy outside of Spartan charge which a lot of people hate and for everything in between there is slightly pushing your stick in a direction. I really don’t see any intricate strategies being implemented because of sprint and before you say flanking know that flanking has always been in basically every shooter game ever, sprint does not add it. As I said previously in this post as well I don’t believe sprint has a risk/reward factor considering the alternative is getting wrecked in 2-3 seconds because you can’t get anywhere efficiently with sprint and are stuck in the open and if you do sprint you can’t fight back. I find that less risk/reward and more dumb luck than anything.

The only competent arguments I have seen so far have been I like to go fast and its an evolution. You’re the first person to mention strategy which is funny because I think sprint kills strategic play as most people turn to bumrush tactics since Spartan charge is so brutally effective. As for it being an evolution every game has sprint now basically. What would be an evolution of game formulas would be if Halo went back to championing no sprint gameplay. Hell Bethesda is reviving Quake on PC because they know that’s what the fan base wants. They aren’t gonna put sprint in because people just expect it this point and yes I know you didn’t argue this last part.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You know all those sprint polls you say don’t matter because they’re old? Well, they were made after Halo 4 released and showed that the majority did not like it. It wasn’t even close.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > They added a mechanic most people didn’t like. No compromise was necessary, they should’ve just removed it. No game can be built as everything for everyone.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have a link to some of those polls? I wasn’t really on the forums then. If enough people like something then there should be compromise. If they removed it, they would’ve killed a part of the population. I know what you’re going to say; “but they killed a bigger portion of the fan-base by keeping sprint.” If sprint was the deciding factor for long time fans, then they really shouldn’t be considered true fans of the franchise. It was all of 343’s other stupid ideas that killed a portion, not just sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I don’t feel like getting the link on mobile since I’m pretty sure you’ve seen these polls. Try googling, “Reddit halo sprint poll”. It will almost definitely be the first result and it contains a collection of polls from Waypoint, Reddit and Beyond, with the Waypoint poll being particularly large. They all support no sprint by a landslide.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Fans are fans. If anything, these “true fans” shouldn’t matter since apparently they’ll play it no matter what.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What’s your point? Times and opinions have changed. People have come to and left the franchise since then. I didn’t see a sprint poll on Reddit that is in 2016, or even when halo 5 came out.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lol you don’t even remember how we started this particular conversation. Follow it back to your post I originally respond to and hopefully you’ll see why what you just said is irrelevant.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Though I don’t think there’s any evidence that very many people have come to the franchise.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yah I’ve responded to like 4 different people on this thread today, so I’ve gotten a bit lost.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ohhhh ok, I’m back on track now. You didn’t want to have to compromise with something that nobody wanted in the first place, right? I can agree with that to an extent. Unfortunately for you, now many fans like sprint, so you we all kinda have to compromise now. Back then, I agree, you shouldn’t have had to, but now, a compromise needs to be reached.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Theres little to suggest more people like it. Perhaps more people within this now much smaller fan base like it, but it terms of former fans (AKA potentially returning fans) there’s reason to believe more people still don’t like it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As long as the fanbase continues to shrink, no compromise is necessary. Do what’s good for the game and what people wanted in the first place and people will come (and come back). If the fan base were growing, then perhaps a compromise would be sensible, but that’s not the case.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I never said more people like it. There’s just enough people that do like it to require a compromise. As long as it continues to shrink, a compromise is absolutely necessary. With a compromise, we can bring back old fans while also keeping the new ones. If we don’t compromise, the scales are going to be tipped one way or another, and both ways don’t look like sunshine and rainbows.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can’t go back to what the community wanted at first. Alright, I’m about to attempt an analogy. Let’s say I like chocolate ice cream and get it every time I go to the ice cream shop. But one time, my order is screwed up and I get vanilla. At first I’m angry, but once I try it, I find that I like it a lot. Now I’m torn whether to get chocolate or vanilla, so I compromise and get a chocolate-vanilla swirl. That’s what we as a community need right now. That chocolate-vanilla swirl that will make everyone happy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There’s no reason to think that “just enough people like it”, because sales decreased at the same time anti-sprinters within the fan base seemingly decreased. If anything, that suggests it’s largely the same as it’s always been.
> > > > >
> > > > > A small fan base is not when you make compromises to get back fans. They left because all they were getting was a compromise to an issue the majority didn’t support. Compromises won’t - and haven’t, mind you - bring back any significant amount of people.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your analogy doesn’t make sense. Obviously people didn’t like the new flavor, so the compromise isn’t much better. Instead, they go to a different ice cream shop that knows how to not -Yoink- up people’s orders and doesn’t tell them, “some people expect vanilla, so we threw some in with your chocolate”. But let’s not get stuck on an analogy, as that happens to often.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There’s enough people that like it now that if 343 just took out sprint, they’d be killing another major part of the community.
> > > >
> > > > I know the fan base is smaller, but not a lot is because of sprint. 343 really screwed up halo 4 and made it like CoD (not just with sprint), and that turned off a lot of fans. Then the MCC came out and released unplayable, so that also killed another part of the community. Then halo 5 comes out, and it releases with not best campaign and very little content, so that killed a bit of fans too. What I’m getting at here is that sprint isn’t the only thing that killed a lot community, so removing sprint will bring back a few fans while also alienating others. That’s why a compromise is needed.
> > > >
> > > > My analogy had me be the community, where part of me liked sprint (vanilla) and part of me didn’t (chocolate). But as you said, let’s not get stuck on analogies.
> > >
> > >
> > > What we’re saying though is most of the people who like sprint would probably buy the game anyway. Most of them don’t even know why they like sprint, they like it because it’s what they have and they don’t want change. If we had a 115/120 BMS game keeping everything except Spartan charge and sprint some might leave but we would gain a lot more
> >
> >
> > What makes you say that? Of course the die hard halo fans would buy it, but not people that like sprint. As I already stated in the post you quoted me in, removing sprint won’t bring back a huge portion of the fan-base.
>
>
> These are all assumptions.

indeed they are.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You know all those sprint polls you say don’t matter because they’re old? Well, they were made after Halo 4 released and showed that the majority did not like it. It wasn’t even close.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > They added a mechanic most people didn’t like. No compromise was necessary, they should’ve just removed it. No game can be built as everything for everyone.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have a link to some of those polls? I wasn’t really on the forums then. If enough people like something then there should be compromise. If they removed it, they would’ve killed a part of the population. I know what you’re going to say; “but they killed a bigger portion of the fan-base by keeping sprint.” If sprint was the deciding factor for long time fans, then they really shouldn’t be considered true fans of the franchise. It was all of 343’s other stupid ideas that killed a portion, not just sprint.
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> > > > > > > > > > > I don’t feel like getting the link on mobile since I’m pretty sure you’ve seen these polls. Try googling, “Reddit halo sprint poll”. It will almost definitely be the first result and it contains a collection of polls from Waypoint, Reddit and Beyond, with the Waypoint poll being particularly large. They all support no sprint by a landslide.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Fans are fans. If anything, these “true fans” shouldn’t matter since apparently they’ll play it no matter what.
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> > > > > > > > > > What’s your point? Times and opinions have changed. People have come to and left the franchise since then. I didn’t see a sprint poll on Reddit that is in 2016, or even when halo 5 came out.
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> > > > > > > > > Lol you don’t even remember how we started this particular conversation. Follow it back to your post I originally respond to and hopefully you’ll see why what you just said is irrelevant.
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> > > > > > > > > Though I don’t think there’s any evidence that very many people have come to the franchise.
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> > > > > > > > Yah I’ve responded to like 4 different people on this thread today, so I’ve gotten a bit lost.
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> > > > > > > > Ohhhh ok, I’m back on track now. You didn’t want to have to compromise with something that nobody wanted in the first place, right? I can agree with that to an extent. Unfortunately for you, now many fans like sprint, so you we all kinda have to compromise now. Back then, I agree, you shouldn’t have had to, but now, a compromise needs to be reached.
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> > > > > > > Theres little to suggest more people like it. Perhaps more people within this now much smaller fan base like it, but it terms of former fans (AKA potentially returning fans) there’s reason to believe more people still don’t like it.
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> > > > > > > As long as the fanbase continues to shrink, no compromise is necessary. Do what’s good for the game and what people wanted in the first place and people will come (and come back). If the fan base were growing, then perhaps a compromise would be sensible, but that’s not the case.
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> > > > > > I never said more people like it. There’s just enough people that do like it to require a compromise. As long as it continues to shrink, a compromise is absolutely necessary. With a compromise, we can bring back old fans while also keeping the new ones. If we don’t compromise, the scales are going to be tipped one way or another, and both ways don’t look like sunshine and rainbows.
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> > > > > > We can’t go back to what the community wanted at first. Alright, I’m about to attempt an analogy. Let’s say I like chocolate ice cream and get it every time I go to the ice cream shop. But one time, my order is screwed up and I get vanilla. At first I’m angry, but once I try it, I find that I like it a lot. Now I’m torn whether to get chocolate or vanilla, so I compromise and get a chocolate-vanilla swirl. That’s what we as a community need right now. That chocolate-vanilla swirl that will make everyone happy.
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> > > > > There’s no reason to think that “just enough people like it”, because sales decreased at the same time anti-sprinters within the fan base seemingly decreased. If anything, that suggests it’s largely the same as it’s always been.
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> > > > > A small fan base is not when you make compromises to get back fans. They left because all they were getting was a compromise to an issue the majority didn’t support. Compromises won’t - and haven’t, mind you - bring back any significant amount of people.
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> > > > > Your analogy doesn’t make sense. Obviously people didn’t like the new flavor, so the compromise isn’t much better. Instead, they go to a different ice cream shop that knows how to not -Yoink- up people’s orders and doesn’t tell them, “some people expect vanilla, so we threw some in with your chocolate”. But let’s not get stuck on an analogy, as that happens to often.
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> > > > There’s enough people that like it now that if 343 just took out sprint, they’d be killing another major part of the community.
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> > > > I know the fan base is smaller, but not a lot is because of sprint. 343 really screwed up halo 4 and made it like CoD (not just with sprint), and that turned off a lot of fans. Then the MCC came out and released unplayable, so that also killed another part of the community. Then halo 5 comes out, and it releases with not best campaign and very little content, so that killed a bit of fans too. What I’m getting at here is that sprint isn’t the only thing that killed a lot community, so removing sprint will bring back a few fans while also alienating others. That’s why a compromise is needed.
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> > > > My analogy had me be the community, where part of me liked sprint (vanilla) and part of me didn’t (chocolate). But as you said, let’s not get stuck on analogies.
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> > > What we’re saying though is most of the people who like sprint would probably buy the game anyway. Most of them don’t even know why they like sprint, they like it because it’s what they have and they don’t want change. If we had a 115/120 BMS game keeping everything except Spartan charge and sprint some might leave but we would gain a lot more
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> > What makes you say that? Of course the die hard halo fans would buy it, but not people that like sprint. As I already stated in the post you quoted me in, removing sprint won’t bring back a huge portion of the fan-base.
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Everything we say is all assumptions. “If we do X, then everyone will come back.” “If we do Y, then no one will come back.”

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Thread thread, go away, come again some other day

Seriously y’all, sprint is here to stay. There’s no way Halo will go back now. Most newer players are going to want sprint, and any new players 343 reach will be expecting sprint. Halo 6 will have sprint. 343 has recieved way too much positive feedback about H5’s current movement/play style.

If you really want no sprint, play MCC. Don’t buy the new halo game. If it’s a feature you care that much about, stick to it. But quit the useless argument. Quit venting, quit being in denial, and accept sprint is here is to stay. Arguing for sprint in the H5 forums is ridiculous at this point. I’m sorry, but there aren’t enough of you hardcore non-sprint fans for there to be a change. Even if 40% of waypointers want sprint gone, that’s not considering the rest of the halo population who spends no time on waypoint, and guess what, most of them like halo just the way it is, sprint included.

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> > > > > > > > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > > > > > > > > > You know all those sprint polls you say don’t matter because they’re old? Well, they were made after Halo 4 released and showed that the majority did not like it. It wasn’t even close.
> > > > > > > > > > They added a mechanic most people didn’t like. No compromise was necessary, they should’ve just removed it. No game can be built as everything for everyone.
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> > > > > > > > > Do you have a link to some of those polls? I wasn’t really on the forums then. If enough people like something then there should be compromise. If they removed it, they would’ve killed a part of the population. I know what you’re going to say; “but they killed a bigger portion of the fan-base by keeping sprint.” If sprint was the deciding factor for long time fans, then they really shouldn’t be considered true fans of the franchise. It was all of 343’s other stupid ideas that killed a portion, not just sprint.
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> > > > > > > > I don’t feel like getting the link on mobile since I’m pretty sure you’ve seen these polls. Try googling, “Reddit halo sprint poll”. It will almost definitely be the first result and it contains a collection of polls from Waypoint, Reddit and Beyond, with the Waypoint poll being particularly large. They all support no sprint by a landslide.
> > > > > > > > Fans are fans. If anything, these “true fans” shouldn’t matter since apparently they’ll play it no matter what.
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> > > > > > > What’s your point? Times and opinions have changed. People have come to and left the franchise since then. I didn’t see a sprint poll on Reddit that is in 2016, or even when halo 5 came out.
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> > > > > > Lol you don’t even remember how we started this particular conversation. Follow it back to your post I originally respond to and hopefully you’ll see why what you just said is irrelevant.
> > > > > > Though I don’t think there’s any evidence that very many people have come to the franchise.
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> > > > > Yah I’ve responded to like 4 different people on this thread today, so I’ve gotten a bit lost.
> > > > > Ohhhh ok, I’m back on track now. You didn’t want to have to compromise with something that nobody wanted in the first place, right? I can agree with that to an extent. Unfortunately for you, now many fans like sprint, so you we all kinda have to compromise now. Back then, I agree, you shouldn’t have had to, but now, a compromise needs to be reached.
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> > > > Theres little to suggest more people like it. Perhaps more people within this now much smaller fan base like it, but it terms of former fans (AKA potentially returning fans) there’s reason to believe more people still don’t like it.
> > > > As long as the fanbase continues to shrink, no compromise is necessary. Do what’s good for the game and what people wanted in the first place and people will come (and come back). If the fan base were growing, then perhaps a compromise would be sensible, but that’s not the case.
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> > > I never said more people like it. There’s just enough people that do like it to require a compromise. As long as it continues to shrink, a compromise is absolutely necessary. With a compromise, we can bring back old fans while also keeping the new ones. If we don’t compromise, the scales are going to be tipped one way or another, and both ways don’t look like sunshine and rainbows.
> > > We can’t go back to what the community wanted at first. Alright, I’m about to attempt an analogy. Let’s say I like chocolate ice cream and get it every time I go to the ice cream shop. But one time, my order is screwed up and I get vanilla. At first I’m angry, but once I try it, I find that I like it a lot. Now I’m torn whether to get chocolate or vanilla, so I compromise and get a chocolate-vanilla swirl. That’s what we as a community need right now. That chocolate-vanilla swirl that will make everyone happy.
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> > There’s no reason to think that “just enough people like it”, because sales decreased at the same time anti-sprinters within the fan base seemingly decreased. If anything, that suggests it’s largely the same as it’s always been.
> > A small fan base is not when you make compromises to get back fans. They left because all they were getting was a compromise to an issue the majority didn’t support. Compromises won’t - and haven’t, mind you - bring back any significant amount of people.
> > Your analogy doesn’t make sense. Obviously people didn’t like the new flavor, so the compromise isn’t much better. Instead, they go to a different ice cream shop that knows how to not -Yoink- up people’s orders and doesn’t tell them, “some people expect vanilla, so we threw some in with your chocolate”. But let’s not get stuck on an analogy, as that happens to often.
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> I know the fan base is smaller, but not a lot is because of sprint. 343 really screwed up halo 4 and made it like CoD (not just with sprint), and that turned off a lot of fans. Then the MCC came out and released unplayable, so that also killed another part of the community. Then halo 5 comes out, and it releases with not best campaign and very little content, so that killed a bit of fans too. What I’m getting at here is that sprint isn’t the only thing that killed a lot community, so removing sprint will bring back a few fans while also alienating others. That’s why a compromise is needed.
> My analogy had me be the community, where part of me liked sprint (vanilla) and part of me didn’t (chocolate). But as you said, let’s not get stuck on analogies.

There’s “enough” people within the current fanbase, which doesn’t matter considering how many were pushed away by it and those who play, but still don’t like it. You don’t build a fanbase by throwing in mechanics that even you - the devs, I mean - can’t think of a gameplay related reason to include. But how would it be killing another part of the community? Aren’t they the “true fans”? Besides, most of them wouldn’t leave because they wouldn’t notice a problem, they would try the game and most would be satisfied (if it was done the right way, but with 343, who knows how it would go). Anti-sprinters did leave because they noticed the problems (whether they knew to attribute them to sprint or not).

We have no idea how big a factor sprint is for the majority of people that left. Could be huge, could be small. It’s not just about removing sprint to bring back fans, it’s about making a faster paced game that’s more consistant and whose mechanics are work in tandem with each other while provide a different experience. That will bring back old fans and attract new ones. There’s no room for compromise for a disliked mechanic that the game is built around. The only compromise there is - and one that should’ve been implemented long ago - is that no sprint be what the game is built around while sprint is a custom option.

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Reading the thread a lil bit, I didn’t realise this was such a issue.

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> > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > > > Wait, what?
> > > > Excuse me?
> > > > *.*What compromise are you talking about?
> > > > Sprint is still a spawn ability.
> > > > Sprint is still in every gamemode.
> > > > And last but not least, sprint is now indefinite, exponentionally increasing all the detrimental effects it had on the gameplay.
> > > > How on earth is this a compromise?
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> > > The compromise where they tied sprint to shields, made it so if you get shot and aren’t at max velocity, you will stop sprinting, and made it so you have to get to max velocity. Go to 3:06. They acknowledge both sides then said how they balanced it. That is literally a compromise.
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Nice try, but they specifically stated that it was to balance out sprint, it makes unlimited sprint usable, but fixes none of the things we really want fixed

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That is not a compromise. The base game still has sprint, it just has a different version of it. It’s still orange sherbet, not cookie dough, the only difference is they mixed some raisins into the recipe. If anything, the mechanic has gotten worse since Halo 4 as they made it infinite this time…

EDIT: Also, nowhere in the video is mentioned that the shield delay is a reaction to people not liking sprint. Their wording goes like: “There are people who like sprint and people who don’t. [Pause] We tied sprint to your shields, which makes an interesting balancing” instead of “There are people who like sprint and people who don’t, therefore we tied sprint to your shields…”

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> > > > > Wait, what?
> > > > > Excuse me?
> > > > > *.*What compromise are you talking about?
> > > > > Sprint is still a spawn ability.
> > > > > Sprint is still in every gamemode.
> > > > > And last but not least, sprint is now indefinite, exponentionally increasing all the detrimental effects it had on the gameplay.
> > > > > How on earth is this a compromise?
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> > > > The compromise where they tied sprint to shields, made it so if you get shot and aren’t at max velocity, you will stop sprinting, and made it so you have to get to max velocity. Go to 3:06. They acknowledge both sides then said how they balanced it. That is literally a compromise.
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> > No it wasn’t. Unlimited sprint doesn’t require balancing. Regular sprint did. This makes it so people are less likely to sprint, run away if they’re losing, and recharge their shields while they’re running away. It’s pretty much the same as halo 3’s answer to dual wielding.
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> Nice try, but they specifically stated that it was to balance out sprint, it makes unlimited sprint usable, but fixes none of the things we really want fixed

It theoretically would’ve helped with people running away, but thruster cancelled that out by letting you quickly and easily get behind corners (which kept you from being shot, allowing you to run away).