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> > > I’m with the sprint on this don’t hate me for it
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> > Halo 5 is probably the best thing that has happened to the Halo Series
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> LOLWUT?
Nvm
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> > > > > > This stupid post has gone on far too long. Enough.
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> > > > >
> > > > > Obviously its not, as this is probably the most divisive topic for players in Halo, which is why your seeing this topic grow as much at is has. I actually like Sprint, that’s my opinion. But to ignore the arguments of other players would completely defeat the purpose of a forum that we; fans of these games are engaged in. By engaging in these debates, we can all come together and create a better community, and a better playing experience for everyone. Your not going to please everyone, but at the same time if these conversations don’t take place, then how are we going to progress as a community?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you don’t want to contribute to the debate, then don’t, but don’t come in here and voice an opinion that dose not take this topic in a direction that can hopefully bring more players back and create a stronger community as a whole.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yeah whatever bro
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess ignorance is bless…bro
> >
> >
> > The only thing I’m ignorant towards are all the petty little complaints about virtually every aspect of the game that takes skill to use, I.e “The game is bad because my aim is bad” or “remove sprint because super soldiers should only jog and it ruins Halo”. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, it’s not sprint that’s the problem, it’s the abilities tied to the use of sprint that makes it an issue. It makes sense for the game and also makes canonical sense too, bro.
>
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> Why can’t my super soldier go prone, why can’t he move fast while shooting, why can’t I remove my helmet, why can’t my helmet deflect a single assault rifle round, why does the ar do more headshot damage while scoped in. The lore behind gameplay has never mattered, gameplay > lore
I think you’re being a little pedantic, I was just making a point.
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> > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
>
>
> Wait, what?
> Excuse me?
> *.*What compromise are you talking about?
> Sprint is still a spawn ability.
> Sprint is still in every gamemode.
> And last but not least, sprint is now indefinite, exponentionally increasing all the detrimental effects it had on the gameplay.
> How on earth is this a compromise?
are you unaware that they tied sprint to shield recharge or are you being disingenuous?
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> > > > > > > This stupid post has gone on far too long. Enough.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Obviously its not, as this is probably the most divisive topic for players in Halo, which is why your seeing this topic grow as much at is has. I actually like Sprint, that’s my opinion. But to ignore the arguments of other players would completely defeat the purpose of a forum that we; fans of these games are engaged in. By engaging in these debates, we can all come together and create a better community, and a better playing experience for everyone. Your not going to please everyone, but at the same time if these conversations don’t take place, then how are we going to progress as a community?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you don’t want to contribute to the debate, then don’t, but don’t come in here and voice an opinion that dose not take this topic in a direction that can hopefully bring more players back and create a stronger community as a whole.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah whatever bro
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I guess ignorance is bless…bro
> > >
> > >
> > > The only thing I’m ignorant towards are all the petty little complaints about virtually every aspect of the game that takes skill to use, I.e “The game is bad because my aim is bad” or “remove sprint because super soldiers should only jog and it ruins Halo”. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, it’s not sprint that’s the problem, it’s the abilities tied to the use of sprint that makes it an issue. It makes sense for the game and also makes canonical sense too, bro.
> >
> >
> > Why can’t my super soldier go prone, why can’t he move fast while shooting, why can’t I remove my helmet, why can’t my helmet deflect a single assault rifle round, why does the ar do more headshot damage while scoped in. The lore behind gameplay has never mattered, gameplay > lore
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> I think you’re being a little pedantic, I was just making a point.
pay them no mind. Too many cant read. you clearly said it made sense for the game with adherence to canon being an extra bonus. let them use their gameplay > lore so they can feel accomplished for refuting you.
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> > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
> >
> >
> > Wait, what?
> > Excuse me?
> > *.*What compromise are you talking about?
> > Sprint is still a spawn ability.
> > Sprint is still in every gamemode.
> > And last but not least, sprint is now indefinite, exponentionally increasing all the detrimental effects it had on the gameplay.
> > How on earth is this a compromise?
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> are you unaware that they tied sprint to shield recharge or are you being disingenuous?
I am well aware. That is a nerf not a compromise.
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> > > > > > > This stupid post has gone on far too long. Enough.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Obviously its not, as this is probably the most divisive topic for players in Halo, which is why your seeing this topic grow as much at is has. I actually like Sprint, that’s my opinion. But to ignore the arguments of other players would completely defeat the purpose of a forum that we; fans of these games are engaged in. By engaging in these debates, we can all come together and create a better community, and a better playing experience for everyone. Your not going to please everyone, but at the same time if these conversations don’t take place, then how are we going to progress as a community?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you don’t want to contribute to the debate, then don’t, but don’t come in here and voice an opinion that dose not take this topic in a direction that can hopefully bring more players back and create a stronger community as a whole.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah whatever bro
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I guess ignorance is bless…bro
> > >
> > >
> > > The only thing I’m ignorant towards are all the petty little complaints about virtually every aspect of the game that takes skill to use, I.e “The game is bad because my aim is bad” or “remove sprint because super soldiers should only jog and it ruins Halo”. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, it’s not sprint that’s the problem, it’s the abilities tied to the use of sprint that makes it an issue. It makes sense for the game and also makes canonical sense too, bro.
> >
> >
> > Why can’t my super soldier go prone, why can’t he move fast while shooting, why can’t I remove my helmet, why can’t my helmet deflect a single assault rifle round, why does the ar do more headshot damage while scoped in. The lore behind gameplay has never mattered, gameplay > lore
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> I think you’re being a little pedantic, I was just making a point.
And I made a counter point
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> > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
> >
> >
> > Wait, what?
> > Excuse me?
> > *.*What compromise are you talking about?
> > Sprint is still a spawn ability.
> > Sprint is still in every gamemode.
> > And last but not least, sprint is now indefinite, exponentionally increasing all the detrimental effects it had on the gameplay.
> > How on earth is this a compromise?
>
>
> are you unaware that they tied sprint to shield recharge or are you being disingenuous?
That’s not a compromise to us, thats just balancing an ability since they made it infinite
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> Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign (yes because who the -Yoink- needs TWO movement speeds in campaign???) and
> arena multiplayer at first I thought a no sprint playlist might be optimal but hear me out. I pretty sure the new spartan abilities (save -Yoinking!- spartan charge) would be GENERALLY accepted in a halo game if they werent accompanied by sprint it would feel more competitive more strategic and would also still be recognizable to the fine tuned experience we got in halo 5. Warzone and customs would be a whole other beast entirely retaining ALL the features that made halo 5 successful would keep warzone great and would also allow more options for custom games, for those people that actually wanted to play in a sprint arena type setting they could actually fire up the in game custom game lobby adjust the filter and be good to go! lets face it, sprint has NO place in competitve halo and to argue that it does would just be absurd. this would allow arena maps to continue to be designed the PROPER way and please the vets and basically everyone whos willing to give it a chance and you wouldnt lose much of your sprint loving audience at all because there would still be sprint in the game it would just take a backseat!
> Thoughts? :3
honestly I believe people are afraid of change. as the gaming world progresses so will the visual aspects. walking, running or what ever. if you allow change in real life why not on video game?
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> > Halo 5 is probably the best thing that has happened to the Halo Series
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> LOLWUT?
Halo 5 is a great game. The series has a great opportunity to continue the diversity from any other series.
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> > > Halo 5 is probably the best thing that has happened to the Halo Series
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> > LOLWUT?
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> Halo 5 is a great game. The series has a great opportunity to continue the diversity from any other series.
Pro SPRINT
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> honestly I believe people are afraid of change. as the gaming world progresses so will the visual aspects. walking, running or what ever. if you allow change in real life why not on video game?
Or perhaps they just disagree with the specific change that is made and would be ok with other changes, as opposed to being against change overall.
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> > Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign (yes because who the -Yoink- needs TWO movement speeds in campaign???) and
> > arena multiplayer at first I thought a no sprint playlist might be optimal but hear me out. I pretty sure the new spartan abilities (save -Yoinking!- spartan charge) would be GENERALLY accepted in a halo game if they werent accompanied by sprint it would feel more competitive more strategic and would also still be recognizable to the fine tuned experience we got in halo 5. Warzone and customs would be a whole other beast entirely retaining ALL the features that made halo 5 successful would keep warzone great and would also allow more options for custom games, for those people that actually wanted to play in a sprint arena type setting they could actually fire up the in game custom game lobby adjust the filter and be good to go! lets face it, sprint has NO place in competitve halo and to argue that it does would just be absurd. this would allow arena maps to continue to be designed the PROPER way and please the vets and basically everyone whos willing to give it a chance and you wouldnt lose much of your sprint loving audience at all because there would still be sprint in the game it would just take a backseat!
> > Thoughts? :3
>
>
> honestly I believe people are afraid of change. as the gaming world progresses so will the visual aspects. walking, running or what ever. if you allow change in real life why not on video game?
We’ve had sprint for three games now, at this point it’s people like you not wanting change away from sprint
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> > > Halo 5 is probably the best thing that has happened to the Halo Series
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> > LOLWUT?
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> Halo 5 is a great game. The series has a great opportunity to continue the diversity from any other series.
But h5 is incredibly generic and similar to several other games.
Hell, according to 343 themselves sprint is in the game because “people expect it”. That is literally the opposite of diversifying your product.
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> > > Safe to assume this is a rather controversial topic in the scope of this franchise. Outside of feeling immersed in the lore, is there a competent argument for sprints continued inclusion? Lets avoid talking about how COD and “all modern” shooters have it, why should halo have it?
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> > because the jack as-ses who made the game decided to put it in the game?
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> Is this the dont question anything approach? Why have a forum if discussion isnt allowed to question any ideas, thats rather orwellian isnt it?
No this is- what is your point kind of approach. I understand the forum function but this topic specifically has been talked about since the beginning of time, WTF. What is the point on trying to convince each other if neither party has the power to make a change to the game? its a waste of time, need to find the direct line to 343 and get answers. And if this is ever established everyone needs to make a push through that door…you dig? I am neutral on this matter like most of the issues people tend to complain about, so sprint really doesn’t bother me in any way.
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You know all those sprint polls you say don’t matter because they’re old? Well, they were made after Halo 4 released and showed that the majority did not like it. It wasn’t even close.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > They added a mechanic most people didn’t like. No compromise was necessary, they should’ve just removed it. No game can be built as everything for everyone.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do you have a link to some of those polls? I wasn’t really on the forums then. If enough people like something then there should be compromise. If they removed it, they would’ve killed a part of the population. I know what you’re going to say; “but they killed a bigger portion of the fan-base by keeping sprint.” If sprint was the deciding factor for long time fans, then they really shouldn’t be considered true fans of the franchise. It was all of 343’s other stupid ideas that killed a portion, not just sprint.
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don’t feel like getting the link on mobile since I’m pretty sure you’ve seen these polls. Try googling, “Reddit halo sprint poll”. It will almost definitely be the first result and it contains a collection of polls from Waypoint, Reddit and Beyond, with the Waypoint poll being particularly large. They all support no sprint by a landslide.
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> > > > > > > Fans are fans. If anything, these “true fans” shouldn’t matter since apparently they’ll play it no matter what.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What’s your point? Times and opinions have changed. People have come to and left the franchise since then. I didn’t see a sprint poll on Reddit that is in 2016, or even when halo 5 came out.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Lol you don’t even remember how we started this particular conversation. Follow it back to your post I originally respond to and hopefully you’ll see why what you just said is irrelevant.
> > > > >
> > > > > Though I don’t think there’s any evidence that very many people have come to the franchise.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yah I’ve responded to like 4 different people on this thread today, so I’ve gotten a bit lost.
> > > >
> > > > Ohhhh ok, I’m back on track now. You didn’t want to have to compromise with something that nobody wanted in the first place, right? I can agree with that to an extent. Unfortunately for you, now many fans like sprint, so you we all kinda have to compromise now. Back then, I agree, you shouldn’t have had to, but now, a compromise needs to be reached.
> > >
> > >
> > > Theres little to suggest more people like it. Perhaps more people within this now much smaller fan base like it, but it terms of former fans (AKA potentially returning fans) there’s reason to believe more people still don’t like it.
> > >
> > > As long as the fanbase continues to shrink, no compromise is necessary. Do what’s good for the game and what people wanted in the first place and people will come (and come back). If the fan base were growing, then perhaps a compromise would be sensible, but that’s not the case.
> >
> >
> > I never said more people like it. There’s just enough people that do like it to require a compromise. As long as it continues to shrink, a compromise is absolutely necessary. With a compromise, we can bring back old fans while also keeping the new ones. If we don’t compromise, the scales are going to be tipped one way or another, and both ways don’t look like sunshine and rainbows.
> >
> > We can’t go back to what the community wanted at first. Alright, I’m about to attempt an analogy. Let’s say I like chocolate ice cream and get it every time I go to the ice cream shop. But one time, my order is screwed up and I get vanilla. At first I’m angry, but once I try it, I find that I like it a lot. Now I’m torn whether to get chocolate or vanilla, so I compromise and get a chocolate-vanilla swirl. That’s what we as a community need right now. That chocolate-vanilla swirl that will make everyone happy.
>
>
> There’s no reason to think that “just enough people like it”, because sales decreased at the same time anti-sprinters within the fan base seemingly decreased. If anything, that suggests it’s largely the same as it’s always been.
>
> A small fan base is not when you make compromises to get back fans. They left because all they were getting was a compromise to an issue the majority didn’t support. Compromises won’t - and haven’t, mind you - bring back any significant amount of people.
>
> Your analogy doesn’t make sense. Obviously people didn’t like the new flavor, so the compromise isn’t much better. Instead, they go to a different ice cream shop that knows how to not -Yoink- up people’s orders and doesn’t tell them, “some people expect vanilla, so we threw some in with your chocolate”. But let’s not get stuck on an analogy, as that happens to often.
There’s enough people that like it now that if 343 just took out sprint, they’d be killing another major part of the community.
I know the fan base is smaller, but not a lot is because of sprint. 343 really screwed up halo 4 and made it like CoD (not just with sprint), and that turned off a lot of fans. Then the MCC came out and released unplayable, so that also killed another part of the community. Then halo 5 comes out, and it releases with not best campaign and very little content, so that killed a bit of fans too. What I’m getting at here is that sprint isn’t the only thing that killed a lot community, so removing sprint will bring back a few fans while also alienating others. That’s why a compromise is needed.
My analogy had me be the community, where part of me liked sprint (vanilla) and part of me didn’t (chocolate). But as you said, let’s not get stuck on analogies.
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> > > > > > > > > You know all those sprint polls you say don’t matter because they’re old? Well, they were made after Halo 4 released and showed that the majority did not like it. It wasn’t even close.
> > > > > > > > > They added a mechanic most people didn’t like. No compromise was necessary, they should’ve just removed it. No game can be built as everything for everyone.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do you have a link to some of those polls? I wasn’t really on the forums then. If enough people like something then there should be compromise. If they removed it, they would’ve killed a part of the population. I know what you’re going to say; “but they killed a bigger portion of the fan-base by keeping sprint.” If sprint was the deciding factor for long time fans, then they really shouldn’t be considered true fans of the franchise. It was all of 343’s other stupid ideas that killed a portion, not just sprint.
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> > > > > > > I don’t feel like getting the link on mobile since I’m pretty sure you’ve seen these polls. Try googling, “Reddit halo sprint poll”. It will almost definitely be the first result and it contains a collection of polls from Waypoint, Reddit and Beyond, with the Waypoint poll being particularly large. They all support no sprint by a landslide.
> > > > > > > Fans are fans. If anything, these “true fans” shouldn’t matter since apparently they’ll play it no matter what.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > What’s your point? Times and opinions have changed. People have come to and left the franchise since then. I didn’t see a sprint poll on Reddit that is in 2016, or even when halo 5 came out.
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> > > > >
> > > > > Lol you don’t even remember how we started this particular conversation. Follow it back to your post I originally respond to and hopefully you’ll see why what you just said is irrelevant.
> > > > > Though I don’t think there’s any evidence that very many people have come to the franchise.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yah I’ve responded to like 4 different people on this thread today, so I’ve gotten a bit lost.
> > > > Ohhhh ok, I’m back on track now. You didn’t want to have to compromise with something that nobody wanted in the first place, right? I can agree with that to an extent. Unfortunately for you, now many fans like sprint, so you we all kinda have to compromise now. Back then, I agree, you shouldn’t have had to, but now, a compromise needs to be reached.
> > >
> > >
> > > Theres little to suggest more people like it. Perhaps more people within this now much smaller fan base like it, but it terms of former fans (AKA potentially returning fans) there’s reason to believe more people still don’t like it.
> > > As long as the fanbase continues to shrink, no compromise is necessary. Do what’s good for the game and what people wanted in the first place and people will come (and come back). If the fan base were growing, then perhaps a compromise would be sensible, but that’s not the case.
> >
> >
> > I never said more people like it. There’s just enough people that do like it to require a compromise. As long as it continues to shrink, a compromise is absolutely necessary. With a compromise, we can bring back old fans while also keeping the new ones. If we don’t compromise, the scales are going to be tipped one way or another, and both ways don’t look like sunshine and rainbows.
> > We can’t go back to what the community wanted at first. Alright, I’m about to attempt an analogy. Let’s say I like chocolate ice cream and get it every time I go to the ice cream shop. But one time, my order is screwed up and I get vanilla. At first I’m angry, but once I try it, I find that I like it a lot. Now I’m torn whether to get chocolate or vanilla, so I compromise and get a chocolate-vanilla swirl. That’s what we as a community need right now. That chocolate-vanilla swirl that will make everyone happy.
>
>
> I go to the ice cream store.
> I always get cookie dough. I love cookie dough.
> One day they give me orange sherbert instead. I hate it.
> They keep mixing up my order and keep giving me orange sherbert.
> I tell them to stop messing up my order and give me my -Yoink!- cookie dough ice cream.
> “Okay, okay we hear you…but how would you like this mixture of cookie dough and orange sherbert? Eh? Eh?”
> I just drop the ice cream on the floor and walk out. Disgusting.
>
> Analogies are fun.
Analogies are fun, aren’t they? Are you comparing yourself to the community, because I bet some of the community likes orange sherbert? You are saying the compromise will make both sides mad, and I admit, that is possible, but we’re trying to come to a compromise that will make both sides happy.
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> > > > > > > > > > You know all those sprint polls you say don’t matter because they’re old? Well, they were made after Halo 4 released and showed that the majority did not like it. It wasn’t even close.
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> > > > > > > > > Do you have a link to some of those polls? I wasn’t really on the forums then. If enough people like something then there should be compromise. If they removed it, they would’ve killed a part of the population. I know what you’re going to say; “but they killed a bigger portion of the fan-base by keeping sprint.” If sprint was the deciding factor for long time fans, then they really shouldn’t be considered true fans of the franchise. It was all of 343’s other stupid ideas that killed a portion, not just sprint.
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> > > > > > > > I don’t feel like getting the link on mobile since I’m pretty sure you’ve seen these polls. Try googling, “Reddit halo sprint poll”. It will almost definitely be the first result and it contains a collection of polls from Waypoint, Reddit and Beyond, with the Waypoint poll being particularly large. They all support no sprint by a landslide.
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> > > > > > > > Fans are fans. If anything, these “true fans” shouldn’t matter since apparently they’ll play it no matter what.
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> > > > > > > What’s your point? Times and opinions have changed. People have come to and left the franchise since then. I didn’t see a sprint poll on Reddit that is in 2016, or even when halo 5 came out.
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> > > > > > Lol you don’t even remember how we started this particular conversation. Follow it back to your post I originally respond to and hopefully you’ll see why what you just said is irrelevant.
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> > > > > > Though I don’t think there’s any evidence that very many people have come to the franchise.
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> > > > > Yah I’ve responded to like 4 different people on this thread today, so I’ve gotten a bit lost.
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> > > > > Ohhhh ok, I’m back on track now. You didn’t want to have to compromise with something that nobody wanted in the first place, right? I can agree with that to an extent. Unfortunately for you, now many fans like sprint, so you we all kinda have to compromise now. Back then, I agree, you shouldn’t have had to, but now, a compromise needs to be reached.
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> > > > Theres little to suggest more people like it. Perhaps more people within this now much smaller fan base like it, but it terms of former fans (AKA potentially returning fans) there’s reason to believe more people still don’t like it.
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> > > > As long as the fanbase continues to shrink, no compromise is necessary. Do what’s good for the game and what people wanted in the first place and people will come (and come back). If the fan base were growing, then perhaps a compromise would be sensible, but that’s not the case.
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> > > I never said more people like it. There’s just enough people that do like it to require a compromise. As long as it continues to shrink, a compromise is absolutely necessary. With a compromise, we can bring back old fans while also keeping the new ones. If we don’t compromise, the scales are going to be tipped one way or another, and both ways don’t look like sunshine and rainbows.
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> > > We can’t go back to what the community wanted at first. Alright, I’m about to attempt an analogy. Let’s say I like chocolate ice cream and get it every time I go to the ice cream shop. But one time, my order is screwed up and I get vanilla. At first I’m angry, but once I try it, I find that I like it a lot. Now I’m torn whether to get chocolate or vanilla, so I compromise and get a chocolate-vanilla swirl. That’s what we as a community need right now. That chocolate-vanilla swirl that will make everyone happy.
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> > There’s no reason to think that “just enough people like it”, because sales decreased at the same time anti-sprinters within the fan base seemingly decreased. If anything, that suggests it’s largely the same as it’s always been.
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> > A small fan base is not when you make compromises to get back fans. They left because all they were getting was a compromise to an issue the majority didn’t support. Compromises won’t - and haven’t, mind you - bring back any significant amount of people.
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> > Your analogy doesn’t make sense. Obviously people didn’t like the new flavor, so the compromise isn’t much better. Instead, they go to a different ice cream shop that knows how to not -Yoink- up people’s orders and doesn’t tell them, “some people expect vanilla, so we threw some in with your chocolate”. But let’s not get stuck on an analogy, as that happens to often.
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> I know the fan base is smaller, but not a lot is because of sprint. 343 really screwed up halo 4 and made it like CoD (not just with sprint), and that turned off a lot of fans. Then the MCC came out and released unplayable, so that also killed another part of the community. Then halo 5 comes out, and it releases with not best campaign and very little content, so that killed a bit of fans too. What I’m getting at here is that sprint isn’t the only thing that killed a lot community, so removing sprint will bring back a few fans while also alienating others. That’s why a compromise is needed.
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What we’re saying though is most of the people who like sprint would probably buy the game anyway. Most of them don’t even know why they like sprint, they like it because it’s what they have and they don’t want change. If we had a 115/120 BMS game keeping everything except Spartan charge and sprint some might leave but we would gain a lot more
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> > > > > I’m with the sprint on this don’t hate me for it
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> > > > Halo 5 is probably the best thing that has happened to the Halo Series
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> > Halo 5 is a great game. The series has a great opportunity to continue the diversity from any other series.
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> Hell, according to 343 themselves sprint is in the game because “people expect it”. That is literally the opposite of diversifying your product.
what makes it generic is peoples want and need to want to manipulate the game for self satisfaction of cheating others. being a troll on Forums over the ability to sprint or not is beyond ignorance in all honesty… If you don’t want to sprint go play a game like dragon age whener when your bags are to full you wont be able to move… h5 is not real life… its a program. if you want different go to school and make your own game. but realize h5 has made over 65million dollars and your complaining $0.00
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> > > > Safe to assume this is a rather controversial topic in the scope of this franchise. Outside of feeling immersed in the lore, is there a competent argument for sprints continued inclusion? Lets avoid talking about how COD and “all modern” shooters have it, why should halo have it?
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> > Is this the dont question anything approach? Why have a forum if discussion isnt allowed to question any ideas, thats rather orwellian isnt it?
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> No this is- what is your point kind of approach. I understand the forum function but this topic specifically has been talked about since the beginning of time, WTF. What is the point on trying to convince each other if neither party has the power to make a change to the game? its a waste of time, need to find the direct line to 343 and get answers. And if this is ever established everyone needs to make a push through that door…you dig? I am neutral on this matter like most of the issues people tend to complain about, so sprint really doesn’t bother me in any way.
There seems to be quite a bit of steam behind these new “evolved” sprintless settings that the TB guys are pushing.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Why does sprint just have to be eliminated? In halo 4, there were those who hated it and those who loved it, so 343 made a compromise for halo 5. You guys still aren’t happy after the compromise. Besides its removal, how else will you compromise?
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> > > > > > > > > > You know all those sprint polls you say don’t matter because they’re old? Well, they were made after Halo 4 released and showed that the majority did not like it. It wasn’t even close.
> > > > > > > > > > They added a mechanic most people didn’t like. No compromise was necessary, they should’ve just removed it. No game can be built as everything for everyone.
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> > > > > > > > > Do you have a link to some of those polls? I wasn’t really on the forums then. If enough people like something then there should be compromise. If they removed it, they would’ve killed a part of the population. I know what you’re going to say; “but they killed a bigger portion of the fan-base by keeping sprint.” If sprint was the deciding factor for long time fans, then they really shouldn’t be considered true fans of the franchise. It was all of 343’s other stupid ideas that killed a portion, not just sprint.
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> > > > > > > > I don’t feel like getting the link on mobile since I’m pretty sure you’ve seen these polls. Try googling, “Reddit halo sprint poll”. It will almost definitely be the first result and it contains a collection of polls from Waypoint, Reddit and Beyond, with the Waypoint poll being particularly large. They all support no sprint by a landslide.
> > > > > > > > Fans are fans. If anything, these “true fans” shouldn’t matter since apparently they’ll play it no matter what.
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> > > > > > > What’s your point? Times and opinions have changed. People have come to and left the franchise since then. I didn’t see a sprint poll on Reddit that is in 2016, or even when halo 5 came out.
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> > > > > > Lol you don’t even remember how we started this particular conversation. Follow it back to your post I originally respond to and hopefully you’ll see why what you just said is irrelevant.
> > > > > > Though I don’t think there’s any evidence that very many people have come to the franchise.
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> > > > > Yah I’ve responded to like 4 different people on this thread today, so I’ve gotten a bit lost.
> > > > > Ohhhh ok, I’m back on track now. You didn’t want to have to compromise with something that nobody wanted in the first place, right? I can agree with that to an extent. Unfortunately for you, now many fans like sprint, so you we all kinda have to compromise now. Back then, I agree, you shouldn’t have had to, but now, a compromise needs to be reached.
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> > > > Theres little to suggest more people like it. Perhaps more people within this now much smaller fan base like it, but it terms of former fans (AKA potentially returning fans) there’s reason to believe more people still don’t like it.
> > > > As long as the fanbase continues to shrink, no compromise is necessary. Do what’s good for the game and what people wanted in the first place and people will come (and come back). If the fan base were growing, then perhaps a compromise would be sensible, but that’s not the case.
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> > > I never said more people like it. There’s just enough people that do like it to require a compromise. As long as it continues to shrink, a compromise is absolutely necessary. With a compromise, we can bring back old fans while also keeping the new ones. If we don’t compromise, the scales are going to be tipped one way or another, and both ways don’t look like sunshine and rainbows.
> > > We can’t go back to what the community wanted at first. Alright, I’m about to attempt an analogy. Let’s say I like chocolate ice cream and get it every time I go to the ice cream shop. But one time, my order is screwed up and I get vanilla. At first I’m angry, but once I try it, I find that I like it a lot. Now I’m torn whether to get chocolate or vanilla, so I compromise and get a chocolate-vanilla swirl. That’s what we as a community need right now. That chocolate-vanilla swirl that will make everyone happy.
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> > They keep mixing up my order and keep giving me orange sherbert.
> > I tell them to stop messing up my order and give me my -Yoink!- cookie dough ice cream.
> > “Okay, okay we hear you…but how would you like this mixture of cookie dough and orange sherbert? Eh? Eh?”
> > I just drop the ice cream on the floor and walk out. Disgusting.
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> Analogies are fun, aren’t they? Are you comparing yourself to the community, because I bet some of the community likes orange sherbert? You are saying the compromise will make both sides mad, and I admit, that is possible, but we’re trying to come to a compromise that will make both sides happy.
A high BMS, we get the ability to move in any direction fast and not lower our weapon and you get to keep the ability to move fast while still having the option to move slower