The sprint discussion thread

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep sprint. Slightly alter it however.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First off, why keep it?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, how would you slightly alter it?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It shouldn’t be removed. It’s an evolution that has already been made.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps decrease speed. Increase time it takes to reach full speed. Or make it an armor ability. Anything to your liking so your problem can be solved.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let’s avoid terms that describe changes as improvements and instead outline what the changes do, shall we? So what are the effects that adding Sprint to Halo has brought?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anything to my liking so that my issues with Sprint would be resolved? Alright, let’s tweak it so that players can still fire weapons/throw grenades/melee while doing so and make it where players can sprint in any direction, rather than just forward. That’ll pretty much do it for me.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like your idea, but I think that should just be an armor ability. For instance, let’s change Dexterity. When equipped, you may fire your weapons, throw grenades (Which increases the throwing distances) and melee while sprinting.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pretty sure we learned from Halo 4 that perks and AAs in competitive play was a very very bad idea.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn’t learn.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The very lack of them inside arena and breakout and the modes still being praised and nobody talking about them or asking for them back should show nobody really misses them or wants them back too badly.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alas, that is only a mere assumption. When you get poles to prove that, only then I think 343 will think about removing it.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > It’s a educated and fact based assumption as he is right and we haven’t seen anyone ask for there return
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Very little people want it removed. You are included in this small minority. Firstly, your post is contradictory. How can an assumption be fact based without proof? The actual definition of the word assumption is, “A thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.”
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Second, Sprint is different in Halo 5 than it is in Halo 4,and not just because of the shelf recharge delay. In Halo 4, they simply added a limited sprint mechanic on with no thoughts to balancing. This made maps have to be bigger, but it didn’t add anything to the game, since engaging an enemy still behaved generally the same way as it did in previous Halos, except now people could escape more easily.
> > > > > > > > > > > > However, in Halo 5 they decided to make it part of a whole set of new movement abilities, so that it didn’t feel tacked on like it did in Halo 4. I enjoyed Halo 4 when it released, and I enjoyed the Halo 5 beta, but after playing Btb yesterday and going from Halo 3 Valhalla to Halo 4 Ragnarock, the addition of sprint just felt clunky, and nothing like how it is in Halo 5, which is why I think halo 5 needs to keep sprint, because otherwise the other movement abilities, while useful, won’t be as effective as they can be when used with sprint. So long as the maps are designed with all the movement abilities in mind, sprint shouldn’t be an issue. Halo 5 needs sprint, Halo 4 didn’t.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > And that’s why I think you and everyone who disagrees with this post, is wrong.
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> > > > > > > > > > > So your assumption is greater than my assumption? great argument buddy
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> > > > > > > > > > That’s hypocritical. If i’m trying to prove my point, that makes it an invalid argument? I’m not saying “Hey i’m right, what you say doesn’t matter.”
> > > > > > > > > > And that is not an assumption. That’s a subjective post.
> > > > > > > > > > So yes, what a great argument “bud.”
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> > > > > > > > > You claimed that I’m in the minority with no proof right after telling me that I was just making assumptions, that sound pretty hypocritical to me
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> > > > > > > > Once again, it’s a subjective post. I’ll explain to your level, meaning it’s what “I think.”
> > > > > > > > If you pay a little more attention you can find this quote “I think” Straight out of context.
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> > > > > > > > Against your claim, which you think is right no matter what.
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> > > > > > > > Very little people want it removed. You are included in this small minority.
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> > > > > > > I don’t see any “I think” or “in my opinion” here…
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> > > > > > You are looking at the wrong post.
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> > > > > You made an assumption in the post I quoted, didn’t acknowledge it as such or give any sources (credible or otherwise), and proceeded to say he was wrong for making any assumptions using available data.
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> > > > > How am I looking at the “wrong” post?
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> > > > You expect me to provide evidence that you are looking at the wrong post? Go ahead and tell me how I can share that with you as it will be most intriguing. I most certainly did acknowledge it I’m afraid. Correction on your part: “Unavailable data”.
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> > > > I said anti-sprinters were in the minority as an opinion. Not a claimed fact on my part. Don’t assume.
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> > > Simply direct me to the post I should be looking at?
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> > > Regarding the post I quoted, you went back and edited where you stated anti-Sprinters were in the minority (adding in “I think”), but it still shows what you originally wrote in the quotes/responses. There were no indications that you meant anything other than a stated fact until you edited it.
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> > > No, I meant available data. You can’t really form an opinion/make assumptions on a topic without any information on it. You pointing out that not all data is available only regurgitates the notion that it is an assumption (and I’d already stated it as such).
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> > I didn’t edit anything. Your utterly fruitless to speak to. This isn’t even related to the original post. Rather it’s your own desire to prove your right and share a piece of your lacking knowledge. Just stop, if not I will.
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> You did edit it though. I saw it when you initially posted it and if you look at others’ quoting that post, it shows that.
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> You said I was looking at the wrong post, I went along with it and asked which post you’d like me to go off of, and you chose not to do so. I don’t see how I’m at fault, especially since you’re the one resorting to insults and “threatening” to drop the discussion.

and this is why it is urgent to get this issue brought to 343 attention and have them finalize the answer “to be or not to be”? Who you do really need to convince?

Safe to assume this is a rather controversial topic in the scope of this franchise. Outside of feeling immersed in the lore, is there a competent argument for sprints continued inclusion? Lets avoid talking about how COD and “all modern” shooters have it, why should halo have it?

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Who the hell cares about what the Halo vets think. Vets=whinny babies

i would rather keep sprint because you can evade from danger much faster

Halo will never be the same, every game has something new.

I Think halo 6 will be different than halo 5 but the Sprint will not be that difference.

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> Who the hell cares about what the Halo vets think. Vets=whinny babies

You need consumers to sell a product, without “vets” there would not be a halo 5 or halo 2 for that matter. “vets” have invested plenty time and $ into the franchise and their word is as good as some “noob” who just found out the franchise existed before 2012. Do you have anything to contribute?

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> Safe to assume this is a rather controversial topic in the scope of this franchise. Outside of feeling immersed in the lore, is there a competent argument for sprints continued inclusion? Lets avoid talking about how COD and “all modern” shooters have it, why should halo have it?

because the jack as-ses who made the game decided to put it in the game?

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> i would rather keep sprint because you can evade from danger much faster

Same thing could be accomplished without Sprint.

Heck, with a higher base movement speed you’d be able to fight/evade/pursue faster than normal, in more directions than just forward, and would be able to use your weapons.

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> > Safe to assume this is a rather controversial topic in the scope of this franchise. Outside of feeling immersed in the lore, is there a competent argument for sprints continued inclusion? Lets avoid talking about how COD and “all modern” shooters have it, why should halo have it?
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Is this the dont question anything approach? Why have a forum if discussion isnt allowed to question any ideas, thats rather orwellian isnt it?

true and also from a lot of people i heard that without sprint they could thrusters to dodge even better

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> Heck, with a higher base movement speed you’d be able to fight/evade/pursue faster than normal, in more directions than just forward, and would be able to use your weapons.

Yeah, but with sprint, the person shooting at you more likely has to stop shooting you just to keep up, making it more likely you’ll get out alive. I think that’s what he likes about it.

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> > > > > The Removal of this thread will make halo halo again.
> > > > > I mean seriously C’mon…who are you really trying to convince? I tell you what!.. is not working.
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> > > > Then we need to try harder, this thread isn’t dying anytime soon. If h6 comes out and still has sprint this will get moved to the h6 section, it will probably pass the elite thread before h6 comes out.
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> > Keep on this thread, keep providing solid and statistic based claims showing why halo dosn’t need sprint
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> there are no stat based claims. Sprint was accommodated for in this halo, they did a good job with defining the maps for it.

It’s pretty much universally agreed that this games maps suck

Dude what is wrong with you? whats wrong with having sprint in campaign???

And another thing sprint makes the campaign more fun as well!!!

The game need to evolve ,sprint is ok …

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> Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign (yes because who the -Yoink- needs TWO movement speeds in campaign???) and
> arena multiplayer at first I thought a no sprint playlist might be optimal but hear me out. I pretty sure the new spartan abilities (save -Yoinking!- spartan charge) would be GENERALLY accepted in a halo game if they werent accompanied by sprint it would feel more competitive more strategic and would also still be recognizable to the fine tuned experience we got in halo 5. Warzone and customs would be a whole other beast entirely retaining ALL the features that made halo 5 successful would keep warzone great and would also allow more options for custom games, for those people that actually wanted to play in a sprint arena type setting they could actually fire up the in game custom game lobby adjust the filter and be good to go! lets face it, sprint has NO place in competitve halo and to argue that it does would just be absurd. this would allow arena maps to continue to be designed the PROPER way and please the vets and basically everyone whos willing to give it a chance and you wouldnt lose much of your sprint loving audience at all because there would still be sprint in the game it would just take a backseat!
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NAH.

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No

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Why/How is this thread still popular and open?

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> The game need to evolve ,sprint is ok …

Why is adding sprint an evolution, removing it could also be considered an evolution after 3 games with sprint

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> Dude what is wrong with you? whats wrong with having sprint in campaign???

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> And another thing sprint makes the campaign more fun as well!!!

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> The game need to evolve ,sprint is ok …

How does Sprint make the Campaign (or any of the gameplay) more fun? How is it an evolution?