The sprint discussion thread

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> > > Would anti sprinters be happy to see sprint just gone from Arena ? in its current form i.e. shields not recharging, unable to sprint when being shot, if they then removed spartan charge for 6 it becomes a valid question is sprint even neccesary in Arena ?
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> > > BTB and Warzone I thinks it’s a worthwhile addition simply for map traversal purposes. I understand that might be confusing for some but I don’t know ? I’m just trying to find a middle ground…
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> > Shoulder charge isn’t even dependent on sprint. They could just as easily make shoulder charge completely separate from sprint, which, using your logic (and I’m not saying it’s poor logic), would make sprint - going into Halo 6 - already unnecessary.
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> > People often use shoulder charge, slide, and slow player speed as reasons not to get rid of sprint, but none of those things are dependent on sprints inclusion. Charge can be separate, slide can be separate, player speed can be made faster. As far as I can think of, nothing requires sprint in order to be part of the game.
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> But in H5 it is dependant on sprint, which is why I bring it up obviously the mechanic itself doesn’t have to be but tbh a spartan charge that isn’t dependant on sprint would probably even worse than it is now IMO, I want it scrapped altogether personally.
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> Also I’m not really using it as a reason to not get rid of sprint I’m not even pro sprint, I’m on the fence and could take it or leave it for me, Halo for me isn’t defined by sprint.

I mean in a vacuum it’s not dependent on sprint. Regardless, as far as I understand? spartan charge is suppose to be the answer to Halo 4’s double melee problem that sprint caused. Without sprint, shoulder charge would have to reason to be included. It would be the answer to a problem that doesn’t exist.

[Bklyntrio123]

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> Id rather keep sprint.

I agree keep Sprint because some maps that we make need sprint to run like infection maps like the one I played yesterday.

[Naqser]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.
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> > > > > > > > > > > You’re making an assumption that the forum population is at all a reflection of the total population of people who buy Halo games. Consider that the forums are likely biased towards people who have problems with the game because people who don’t have problems are less likely to go to forums.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Another completely unjustifiable assumption you are making is that sprint is the reason Halo has become less popular. Since sprint was introduced in Reach, there have been dozens of other things that could’ve contributed to player disappointment including other new gameplay mechanics, changes in campaign, and game customization options. It’s completely impossible to attribute the decrease in popularity to any single thing.
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> > > > > > > > > > I’m not assuming anything. It’s the opposite side saying sprint isn’t as big an issue as we’re making it out to be. They’re the ones putting forth assumptions. My argument doesn’t live or die based on how big a problem people find sprint. Others bring it up as a straw man because they have nothing to actually argue with or support their point. If they did, that - and only that - would be what they present.
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> > > > > > > > > So, did I interpret your comment wrong? You’re not implying in the quoted post that sprint is the main reason people got fed up and moved on? If not, then that’s my bad.
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> > > > > > > > No, I meant to say it was a reason, not the reason.
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> > > > > > > Okay I’m gonna have to call you out on that one- you’re trying to fall back into the whole “subject change,” instead of admitting and owning up to what you said earlier.
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> > > > > > > You said, and I quote, “Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.”
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> > > > > > > @tsassi’s issue with what you’re implying is the exact same as mine- you said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise” which is a completely baseless claim and not even close to reality. Unlike what you’re implying, the reality is that most people haven’t gotten fed up with Halo and deserted the franchise because of sprint. And look, I understand why you don’t like sprint- I really do. I don’t feel the need prey on every single point you and the rest of the anti-sprinters bring up on the issue. You’ve got a right to form your own opinions and this would be a much less contentious (and more productive) thread if all the anti-sprinters felt the same way about pro-sprinters instead of aggressively attacking them for having an opposing viewpoint. But above all else, I really don’t think it’s right for you to continue to try and over represent your opinions on the matter to make it appear to be the “single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” because sprint is just not even close to being that big of a deal in the community. Maybe it’s that big of a deal for you, and I would totally respect that if you could just keep this issue in perspective.
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> > > > > > “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right.”
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> > > > > > Ok bro, just let me know when you’re done strawmanning and assuming. I’ll be here to discuss the issues when/if you do.
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> > > > > I just directly quoted you and pointed out why @tsassi and I had an issue with what you stated. You literally said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” which simply cannot be defended because it cannot be true. You’re now changing the subject which is exactly what I predicted would happen.
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> > > > > However I did not say, “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right,” so whenever you may be ready to discuss this someday I would appreciate it if you could start by accurately quoting me.
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> > > > While his claim may be baseless and possibly wrong.
> > > > What makes your claim that it can’t be true, any more right than his?
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> What claim are you asking me to back up?
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> Are you implying that it’s wrong of me to question his claim that, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,”?
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> Do you really, honestly feel that I need to provide anything at all to throw up a flag with such a statement? I mean, what more is needed there to believe that he is trying to over represent his anti sprint viewpoint and make this issue appear to be bigger than it really is? That’s what such a statement is aiming for, which is my main issue with what anti-sprinters are trying to do… What more are you trying to ask for from me? Or are you just trying to neutralize my point?

The one where you say his claim “Simply cannot be defended because it cannot be true”.
I’m asking you to provide reasoning, a base, evidence and such when you berate other for not doing so.
You’re fighting what’s to you a baseless claim with another baseless claim.

So as I pretty much asked, what makes your “counter-claim” any more true than his?
So yes, I do believe you should provide something as you pretty much are asking others to do the same.
Not only that but you quite happily tell me that anti-sprinters (in that form, which is all of us) make something they have an issue with larger of an issue than you decide it can, and should be.
You’ve decided how big of an issue I should make of it, and if I “overshoot” that “target”, I’m at fault, becuase my own personal dislikes are presented in a “larger form” than you’ve set the bar for.

Unfortunately for you, I decide myself how big of an issue I make of things I dislike. You’ll then argue me and anyone else in the same way you expect us to argue.

[Bklyntrio123]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > You’re making an assumption that the forum population is at all a reflection of the total population of people who buy Halo games. Consider that the forums are likely biased towards people who have problems with the game because people who don’t have problems are less likely to go to forums.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Another completely unjustifiable assumption you are making is that sprint is the reason Halo has become less popular. Since sprint was introduced in Reach, there have been dozens of other things that could’ve contributed to player disappointment including other new gameplay mechanics, changes in campaign, and game customization options. It’s completely impossible to attribute the decrease in popularity to any single thing.
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> > > > > > > > > > > I’m not assuming anything. It’s the opposite side saying sprint isn’t as big an issue as we’re making it out to be. They’re the ones putting forth assumptions. My argument doesn’t live or die based on how big a problem people find sprint. Others bring it up as a straw man because they have nothing to actually argue with or support their point. If they did, that - and only that - would be what they present.
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> > > > > > > > > > So, did I interpret your comment wrong? You’re not implying in the quoted post that sprint is the main reason people got fed up and moved on? If not, then that’s my bad.
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> > > > > > > > > No, I meant to say it was a reason, not the reason.
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> > > > > > > > Okay I’m gonna have to call you out on that one- you’re trying to fall back into the whole “subject change,” instead of admitting and owning up to what you said earlier.
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> > > > > > > > You said, and I quote, “Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.”
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> > > > > > > > @tsassi’s issue with what you’re implying is the exact same as mine- you said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise” which is a completely baseless claim and not even close to reality. Unlike what you’re implying, the reality is that most people haven’t gotten fed up with Halo and deserted the franchise because of sprint. And look, I understand why you don’t like sprint- I really do. I don’t feel the need prey on every single point you and the rest of the anti-sprinters bring up on the issue. You’ve got a right to form your own opinions and this would be a much less contentious (and more productive) thread if all the anti-sprinters felt the same way about pro-sprinters instead of aggressively attacking them for having an opposing viewpoint. But above all else, I really don’t think it’s right for you to continue to try and over represent your opinions on the matter to make it appear to be the “single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” because sprint is just not even close to being that big of a deal in the community. Maybe it’s that big of a deal for you, and I would totally respect that if you could just keep this issue in perspective.
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> > > > > > > “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right.”
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> > > > > > > Ok bro, just let me know when you’re done strawmanning and assuming. I’ll be here to discuss the issues when/if you do.
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> > > > > > I just directly quoted you and pointed out why @tsassi and I had an issue with what you stated. You literally said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” which simply cannot be defended because it cannot be true. You’re now changing the subject which is exactly what I predicted would happen.
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> > > > > > However I did not say, “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right,” so whenever you may be ready to discuss this someday I would appreciate it if you could start by accurately quoting me.
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> > > > > While his claim may be baseless and possibly wrong.
> > > > > What makes your claim that it can’t be true, any more right than his?
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> > What claim are you asking me to back up?
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> > Are you implying that it’s wrong of me to question his claim that, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,”?
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> > Do you really, honestly feel that I need to provide anything at all to throw up a flag with such a statement? I mean, what more is needed there to believe that he is trying to over represent his anti sprint viewpoint and make this issue appear to be bigger than it really is? That’s what such a statement is aiming for, which is my main issue with what anti-sprinters are trying to do… What more are you trying to ask for from me? Or are you just trying to neutralize my point?
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> The one where you say his claim “Simply cannot be defended because it cannot be true”.
> I’m asking you to provide reasoning, a base, evidence and such when you berate other for not doing so.
> You’re fighting what’s to you a baseless claim with another baseless claim.
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> So as I pretty much asked, what makes your “counter-claim” any more true than his?
> So yes, I do believe you should something as you pretty much are asking others to do the same.
> Not only that but you quite happily tell me that anti-sprinters (in that form, which is all of us) make something they have an issue with larger of an issue than you decide it can, and should be.
> You’ve decided how big of an issue I should make of it, and if I “overshoot” that “target”, I’m at fault, becuase my own personal dislikes are presented in a “larger form” than you’ve set the bar for.
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> Unfortunately for you, I decide myself how big of an issue I make of things I dislike. You’ll then argue me and anyone else in the same way you expect us to argue.

calm down bro irs just a game.

[A6ENT_C]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > You’re making an assumption that the forum population is at all a reflection of the total population of people who buy Halo games. Consider that the forums are likely biased towards people who have problems with the game because people who don’t have problems are less likely to go to forums.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Another completely unjustifiable assumption you are making is that sprint is the reason Halo has become less popular. Since sprint was introduced in Reach, there have been dozens of other things that could’ve contributed to player disappointment including other new gameplay mechanics, changes in campaign, and game customization options. It’s completely impossible to attribute the decrease in popularity to any single thing.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > I’m not assuming anything. It’s the opposite side saying sprint isn’t as big an issue as we’re making it out to be. They’re the ones putting forth assumptions. My argument doesn’t live or die based on how big a problem people find sprint. Others bring it up as a straw man because they have nothing to actually argue with or support their point. If they did, that - and only that - would be what they present.
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> > > > > > > > > > > So, did I interpret your comment wrong? You’re not implying in the quoted post that sprint is the main reason people got fed up and moved on? If not, then that’s my bad.
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> > > > > > > > > > No, I meant to say it was a reason, not the reason.
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> > > > > > > > > Okay I’m gonna have to call you out on that one- you’re trying to fall back into the whole “subject change,” instead of admitting and owning up to what you said earlier.
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> > > > > > > > > You said, and I quote, “Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.”
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> > > > > > > > > @tsassi’s issue with what you’re implying is the exact same as mine- you said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise” which is a completely baseless claim and not even close to reality. Unlike what you’re implying, the reality is that most people haven’t gotten fed up with Halo and deserted the franchise because of sprint. And look, I understand why you don’t like sprint- I really do. I don’t feel the need prey on every single point you and the rest of the anti-sprinters bring up on the issue. You’ve got a right to form your own opinions and this would be a much less contentious (and more productive) thread if all the anti-sprinters felt the same way about pro-sprinters instead of aggressively attacking them for having an opposing viewpoint. But above all else, I really don’t think it’s right for you to continue to try and over represent your opinions on the matter to make it appear to be the “single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” because sprint is just not even close to being that big of a deal in the community. Maybe it’s that big of a deal for you, and I would totally respect that if you could just keep this issue in perspective.
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> > > > > > > > “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right.”
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> > > > > > > > Ok bro, just let me know when you’re done strawmanning and assuming. I’ll be here to discuss the issues when/if you do.
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> > > > > > > I just directly quoted you and pointed out why @tsassi and I had an issue with what you stated. You literally said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” which simply cannot be defended because it cannot be true. You’re now changing the subject which is exactly what I predicted would happen.
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> > > > > > > However I did not say, “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right,” so whenever you may be ready to discuss this someday I would appreciate it if you could start by accurately quoting me.
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> > > > > > While his claim may be baseless and possibly wrong.
> > > > > > What makes your claim that it can’t be true, any more right than his?
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> > > What claim are you asking me to back up?
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> > The one where you say his claim “Simply cannot be defended because it cannot be true”.
> > I’m asking you to provide reasoning, a base, evidence and such when you berate other for not doing so.
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> calm down bro irs just a game.

No, man… The IRS doesn’t play games.

Sorry, I know it’s a typo. I just couldn’t resist.

[Fairhades35]

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> > > > > > > No, just no.
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> > > > > > > I hate how sprint is basically discouraged in this game.
> > > > > > > 1. If you sprint while under fire it slows you down to a halt.
> > > > > > > 2. If you decide to sprint after your shield has recently been damaged, your regeneration RESETS instead of just pausing to wait till you walk again.
> > > > > > > 3. Retreating is basically impossible when in a firefight because while your getting shot in the back. You can’t run even though your spamming the sprint button like a mad man. Mind you this is a spartan super soldier. “hey guys I’m in a fight I can’t win. I’ll just walk away like I’M NOT DYING…”
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> > > > > > Then you die, it’s kind of the point. It’s a shooting game, not a running away game. If your loosing a firefight it’s your fault , the other player won and deserves the kill
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> > > > > This is Halo, not Call of Duty. The person with the faster reaction doesn’t always deserve the kill. Shield and sprint add dynamics that actually make the game challenging beyond who can pull the trigger first. The person who gets the kill deserves the kill.
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> > > > > On another note, I can’t believe this topic is still going- undoubtedly getting kicked around and forced to continue by smurf accounts; creating the false appearance that this issue is bigger than it really actually is.
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> > > > If you think that’s a smurf account then your missing something. And the person who shoots first Dosent deserve the kill, the other player can turn around and win via superior marksmanship. Not running away
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> > > This issue isn’t ANYWHERE near as big of an issue as you and the rest of the anti-sprint minority have attempted to make it appear… Tactical retreat and living to fight another engagement is a legitimate strategy that sprint supports.
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> > Hmm, you have any facts to back this? You realize that a large majority of Halos population has left between Reach -5, which could be blamed on many things, but what all these games have in common Sprint/Abilities. Personally imo, they simplify the game, which is why many want them to stay.
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> I could ask you for facts regarding the opposing viewpoint on the same thing, especially since anti-sprinters created this thread. Sure there is a reduced amount of overall players on Halo since Halo 3; proportionate to the overall percentage of gamers across all games and consoles. But that’s hardly an issue with sprint. Competition from other games and consoles widens and expands the once narrow gaming market. Halo is still doing just fine overall in sales and population since Reach.
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> The inclusion or exclusion of sprint doesn’t make or break the sales, let alone population of Halo games… Nor would removing sprint make Halo feel any more or less like “Halo” again. I respect and understand why it is that some of you don’t appreciate sprint… What I don’t appreciate is when a vocal minority tries to over represent their opinions and even try to push them as “facts.” Like Frankie said in the pre-launch cycle of the MCC, “-Yoink!- if you do, -Yoink!- if you don’t,” however they try to cater to the MAJORITY when it comes to providing gamers what they want. So when vocal minorities succeed in the over representation of their issues it creates problems IMO. There’s a reason why Halo book writers are discouraged from coming to the forums (Well, quite a few reasons actually, but vocal minorities often tend to skew things for the rest of us)

Do you have any proof that were the vocal minority, because that’s not what the sales and reviews say

[Naqser]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > You’re making an assumption that the forum population is at all a reflection of the total population of people who buy Halo games. Consider that the forums are likely biased towards people who have problems with the game because people who don’t have problems are less likely to go to forums.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Another completely unjustifiable assumption you are making is that sprint is the reason Halo has become less popular. Since sprint was introduced in Reach, there have been dozens of other things that could’ve contributed to player disappointment including other new gameplay mechanics, changes in campaign, and game customization options. It’s completely impossible to attribute the decrease in popularity to any single thing.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I’m not assuming anything. It’s the opposite side saying sprint isn’t as big an issue as we’re making it out to be. They’re the ones putting forth assumptions. My argument doesn’t live or die based on how big a problem people find sprint. Others bring it up as a straw man because they have nothing to actually argue with or support their point. If they did, that - and only that - would be what they present.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So, did I interpret your comment wrong? You’re not implying in the quoted post that sprint is the main reason people got fed up and moved on? If not, then that’s my bad.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No, I meant to say it was a reason, not the reason.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Okay I’m gonna have to call you out on that one- you’re trying to fall back into the whole “subject change,” instead of admitting and owning up to what you said earlier.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You said, and I quote, “Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.”
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > @tsassi’s issue with what you’re implying is the exact same as mine- you said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise” which is a completely baseless claim and not even close to reality. Unlike what you’re implying, the reality is that most people haven’t gotten fed up with Halo and deserted the franchise because of sprint. And look, I understand why you don’t like sprint- I really do. I don’t feel the need prey on every single point you and the rest of the anti-sprinters bring up on the issue. You’ve got a right to form your own opinions and this would be a much less contentious (and more productive) thread if all the anti-sprinters felt the same way about pro-sprinters instead of aggressively attacking them for having an opposing viewpoint. But above all else, I really don’t think it’s right for you to continue to try and over represent your opinions on the matter to make it appear to be the “single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” because sprint is just not even close to being that big of a deal in the community. Maybe it’s that big of a deal for you, and I would totally respect that if you could just keep this issue in perspective.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right.”
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ok bro, just let me know when you’re done strawmanning and assuming. I’ll be here to discuss the issues when/if you do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just directly quoted you and pointed out why @tsassi and I had an issue with what you stated. You literally said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” which simply cannot be defended because it cannot be true. You’re now changing the subject which is exactly what I predicted would happen.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However I did not say, “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right,” so whenever you may be ready to discuss this someday I would appreciate it if you could start by accurately quoting me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While his claim may be baseless and possibly wrong.
> > > > > > What makes your claim that it can’t be true, any more right than his?
> >
> >
> >
> > .
>
>
> calm down bro irs just a game.

No, that’s an argument, and unfortunately mood does not translate well into text, as I am calm.

Let’s however pretend we’re actually discussing sprint and you’re telling me 'it’s just a game.".

Yes, it’s a game, and as such I’m not allowed to be passionate about it? The statement “it’s just a game” is another way of saying “don’t take it so seriously”, sometimes those two even follow each other. At least that’s how I’ve learned its usage.
Why can’t I take it as seriously as I take it, in your perspective of course?
I apparently enjoy parts of it more than enough to still be part of the community, whatever that may be, but other parts I don’t enjoy. So I shouldn’t take effort in providing feedback and debate with others on how I think the game would be more enjoyable for me personally?

And I am calm as can be. Reading EON 4 adventures.

[Bklyntrio123]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You’re making an assumption that the forum population is at all a reflection of the total population of people who buy Halo games. Consider that the forums are likely biased towards people who have problems with the game because people who don’t have problems are less likely to go to forums.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another completely unjustifiable assumption you are making is that sprint is the reason Halo has become less popular. Since sprint was introduced in Reach, there have been dozens of other things that could’ve contributed to player disappointment including other new gameplay mechanics, changes in campaign, and game customization options. It’s completely impossible to attribute the decrease in popularity to any single thing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I’m not assuming anything. It’s the opposite side saying sprint isn’t as big an issue as we’re making it out to be. They’re the ones putting forth assumptions. My argument doesn’t live or die based on how big a problem people find sprint. Others bring it up as a straw man because they have nothing to actually argue with or support their point. If they did, that - and only that - would be what they present.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So, did I interpret your comment wrong? You’re not implying in the quoted post that sprint is the main reason people got fed up and moved on? If not, then that’s my bad.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > No, I meant to say it was a reason, not the reason.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Okay I’m gonna have to call you out on that one- you’re trying to fall back into the whole “subject change,” instead of admitting and owning up to what you said earlier.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You said, and I quote, “Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.”
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > @tsassi’s issue with what you’re implying is the exact same as mine- you said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise” which is a completely baseless claim and not even close to reality. Unlike what you’re implying, the reality is that most people haven’t gotten fed up with Halo and deserted the franchise because of sprint. And look, I understand why you don’t like sprint- I really do. I don’t feel the need prey on every single point you and the rest of the anti-sprinters bring up on the issue. You’ve got a right to form your own opinions and this would be a much less contentious (and more productive) thread if all the anti-sprinters felt the same way about pro-sprinters instead of aggressively attacking them for having an opposing viewpoint. But above all else, I really don’t think it’s right for you to continue to try and over represent your opinions on the matter to make it appear to be the “single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” because sprint is just not even close to being that big of a deal in the community. Maybe it’s that big of a deal for you, and I would totally respect that if you could just keep this issue in perspective.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right.”
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ok bro, just let me know when you’re done strawmanning and assuming. I’ll be here to discuss the issues when/if you do.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just directly quoted you and pointed out why @tsassi and I had an issue with what you stated. You literally said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” which simply cannot be defended because it cannot be true. You’re now changing the subject which is exactly what I predicted would happen.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > However I did not say, “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right,” so whenever you may be ready to discuss this someday I would appreciate it if you could start by accurately quoting me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While his claim may be baseless and possibly wrong.
> > > > > > > What makes your claim that it can’t be true, any more right than his?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What claim are you asking me to back up?
> > >
> > >
> > > The one where you say his claim “Simply cannot be defended because it cannot be true”.
> > > I’m asking you to provide reasoning, a base, evidence and such when you berate other for not doing so.
> >
> >
> > calm down bro irs just a game.
>
>
> No, man… The IRS doesn’t play games.
>
> Sorry, I know it’s a typo. I just couldn’t resist.

its a typo Srry also that made me laugh

[Bklyntrio123]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You’re making an assumption that the forum population is at all a reflection of the total population of people who buy Halo games. Consider that the forums are likely biased towards people who have problems with the game because people who don’t have problems are less likely to go to forums.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another completely unjustifiable assumption you are making is that sprint is the reason Halo has become less popular. Since sprint was introduced in Reach, there have been dozens of other things that could’ve contributed to player disappointment including other new gameplay mechanics, changes in campaign, and game customization options. It’s completely impossible to attribute the decrease in popularity to any single thing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I’m not assuming anything. It’s the opposite side saying sprint isn’t as big an issue as we’re making it out to be. They’re the ones putting forth assumptions. My argument doesn’t live or die based on how big a problem people find sprint. Others bring it up as a straw man because they have nothing to actually argue with or support their point. If they did, that - and only that - would be what they present.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So, did I interpret your comment wrong? You’re not implying in the quoted post that sprint is the main reason people got fed up and moved on? If not, then that’s my bad.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > No, I meant to say it was a reason, not the reason.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Okay I’m gonna have to call you out on that one- you’re trying to fall back into the whole “subject change,” instead of admitting and owning up to what you said earlier.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You said, and I quote, “Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.”
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > @tsassi’s issue with what you’re implying is the exact same as mine- you said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise” which is a completely baseless claim and not even close to reality. Unlike what you’re implying, the reality is that most people haven’t gotten fed up with Halo and deserted the franchise because of sprint. And look, I understand why you don’t like sprint- I really do. I don’t feel the need prey on every single point you and the rest of the anti-sprinters bring up on the issue. You’ve got a right to form your own opinions and this would be a much less contentious (and more productive) thread if all the anti-sprinters felt the same way about pro-sprinters instead of aggressively attacking them for having an opposing viewpoint. But above all else, I really don’t think it’s right for you to continue to try and over represent your opinions on the matter to make it appear to be the “single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” because sprint is just not even close to being that big of a deal in the community. Maybe it’s that big of a deal for you, and I would totally respect that if you could just keep this issue in perspective.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right.”
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ok bro, just let me know when you’re done strawmanning and assuming. I’ll be here to discuss the issues when/if you do.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just directly quoted you and pointed out why @tsassi and I had an issue with what you stated. You literally said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” which simply cannot be defended because it cannot be true. You’re now changing the subject which is exactly what I predicted would happen.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > However I did not say, “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right,” so whenever you may be ready to discuss this someday I would appreciate it if you could start by accurately quoting me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While his claim may be baseless and possibly wrong.
> > > > > > > What makes your claim that it can’t be true, any more right than his?
> > >
> > >
> > > .
> >
> >
> > calm down bro irs just a game.
>
>
> No, that’s an argument, and unfortunately mood does not translate well into text, as I am calm.
>
> Let’s however pretend we’re actually discussing sprint and you’re telling me 'it’s just a game.".
>
> Yes, it’s a game, and as such I’m not allowed to be passionate about it? The statement “it’s just a game” is another way of saying “don’t take it so seriously”, sometimes those two even follow each other. At least that’s how I’ve learned its usage.
> Why can’t I take it as seriously as I take it, in your perspective of course?
> I apparently enjoy parts of it more than enough to still be part of the community, whatever that may be, but other parts I don’t enjoy. So I shouldn’t take effort in providing feedback and debate with others on how I think the game would be more enjoyable for me personally?
>
> And I am calm as can be. Reading EON 4 adventures.

I am just saying it does not matter its just running jeez

[Naqser]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You’re making an assumption that the forum population is at all a reflection of the total population of people who buy Halo games. Consider that the forums are likely biased towards people who have problems with the game because people who don’t have problems are less likely to go to forums.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another completely unjustifiable assumption you are making is that sprint is the reason Halo has become less popular. Since sprint was introduced in Reach, there have been dozens of other things that could’ve contributed to player disappointment including other new gameplay mechanics, changes in campaign, and game customization options. It’s completely impossible to attribute the decrease in popularity to any single thing.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’m not assuming anything. It’s the opposite side saying sprint isn’t as big an issue as we’re making it out to be. They’re the ones putting forth assumptions. My argument doesn’t live or die based on how big a problem people find sprint. Others bring it up as a straw man because they have nothing to actually argue with or support their point. If they did, that - and only that - would be what they present.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So, did I interpret your comment wrong? You’re not implying in the quoted post that sprint is the main reason people got fed up and moved on? If not, then that’s my bad.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > No, I meant to say it was a reason, not the reason.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Okay I’m gonna have to call you out on that one- you’re trying to fall back into the whole “subject change,” instead of admitting and owning up to what you said earlier.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You said, and I quote, “Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.”
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > @tsassi’s issue with what you’re implying is the exact same as mine- you said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise” which is a completely baseless claim and not even close to reality. Unlike what you’re implying, the reality is that most people haven’t gotten fed up with Halo and deserted the franchise because of sprint. And look, I understand why you don’t like sprint- I really do. I don’t feel the need prey on every single point you and the rest of the anti-sprinters bring up on the issue. You’ve got a right to form your own opinions and this would be a much less contentious (and more productive) thread if all the anti-sprinters felt the same way about pro-sprinters instead of aggressively attacking them for having an opposing viewpoint. But above all else, I really don’t think it’s right for you to continue to try and over represent your opinions on the matter to make it appear to be the “single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” because sprint is just not even close to being that big of a deal in the community. Maybe it’s that big of a deal for you, and I would totally respect that if you could just keep this issue in perspective.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right.”
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ok bro, just let me know when you’re done strawmanning and assuming. I’ll be here to discuss the issues when/if you do.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I just directly quoted you and pointed out why @tsassi and I had an issue with what you stated. You literally said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” which simply cannot be defended because it cannot be true. You’re now changing the subject which is exactly what I predicted would happen.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > However I did not say, “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right,” so whenever you may be ready to discuss this someday I would appreciate it if you could start by accurately quoting me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > While his claim may be baseless and possibly wrong.
> > > > > > > > What makes your claim that it can’t be true, any more right than his?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > .
>
>
> I am just saying it does not matter its just running jeez

If it doesn’t matter to you it shouldn’t to me?

[Fairhades35]

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> > > > > Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You’re making an assumption that the forum population is at all a reflection of the total population of people who buy Halo games. Consider that the forums are likely biased towards people who have problems with the game because people who don’t have problems are less likely to go to forums.
> > > >
> > > > Another completely unjustifiable assumption you are making is that sprint is the reason Halo has become less popular. Since sprint was introduced in Reach, there have been dozens of other things that could’ve contributed to player disappointment including other new gameplay mechanics, changes in campaign, and game customization options. It’s completely impossible to attribute the decrease in popularity to any single thing.
> > >
> > >
> > > I’m not assuming anything. It’s the opposite side saying sprint isn’t as big an issue as we’re making it out to be. They’re the ones putting forth assumptions. My argument doesn’t live or die based on how big a problem people find sprint. Others bring it up as a straw man because they have nothing to actually argue with or support their point. If they did, that - and only that - would be what they present.
> >
> >
> > So, did I interpret your comment wrong? You’re not implying in the quoted post that sprint is the main reason people got fed up and moved on? If not, then that’s my bad.
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> No you didn’t interpret wrong @tsassi… Many of those hardcore anti-sprinters do everything they can in order to try and make it appear that sprint is supposedly a much larger issue than it actually is… When backed into a corner like that they’ll change the subject and try to focus on something else. They’re trying their best to over represent their issue with Halo in an attempt to instigate the change they want see…

The thing is if you read around you see people against sprint making long detailed and fact based posts about how sprint negatively impacts gameplay, and then you have people that don’t understand

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> > > > > > You’re making an assumption that the forum population is at all a reflection of the total population of people who buy Halo games. Consider that the forums are likely biased towards people who have problems with the game because people who don’t have problems are less likely to go to forums.
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> > > > > > Another completely unjustifiable assumption you are making is that sprint is the reason Halo has become less popular. Since sprint was introduced in Reach, there have been dozens of other things that could’ve contributed to player disappointment including other new gameplay mechanics, changes in campaign, and game customization options. It’s completely impossible to attribute the decrease in popularity to any single thing.
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> > > > > I’m not assuming anything. It’s the opposite side saying sprint isn’t as big an issue as we’re making it out to be. They’re the ones putting forth assumptions. My argument doesn’t live or die based on how big a problem people find sprint. Others bring it up as a straw man because they have nothing to actually argue with or support their point. If they did, that - and only that - would be what they present.
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> > Geez dude it’s like you see anyone who doesn’t support sprint as the illuminati with hidden agendas. We’ve been on topic for well over 200 pages. Like holy freaking fallacy batman…we’ve given reasons as to why we think it slows down gameplay and have provided evidence as well as some conjecture that sprint may be a reason that people have lost interest since Halo is not as unique. Points you have barely refuted at all and now just say we say whatever to fit our agenda. You’re dodging questions, making baseless assumptions, and strawmanning. You’ve triple dipped in fallacies bro.
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> Never said anything about the illuminati - that’s fallacy #1 from you.
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> Fallacy #2: This thread has NOT been on topic for all of its 200+ pages- the few of you anti-sprinters have successfully forced it to continue to go on and on for as long as it has… And you routinely and aggressively go after anyone with an opposing view on the matter but that doesn’t make it a productive and on-topic thread either.
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> Fallacy #3: Your opinions do not equate to evidence, they just don’t (somebody has to say it). I respect that you feel the way you do about sprint- but a key fallacy and problem with this thread is you fail to recognize that your opinions do not constitute facts. Since you think your opinions are facts and you’re aggressively asserting them as such, all you can do is argue with people who feel otherwise- not constructively debate with them.

Many of our opinions are based upon facts and statistics while most of yours are just, l like sprint or, the game would be to slow without sprint. The second one at least has a point ( I like sprint Dosent matter, this isn’t a poll it’s a discussion about the effects of sprint) but the point of no sprint being too slow can be disproven once again with facts and statistics. It’s a hard concept to understand but the simplest way I can describe it is that I could say that sprint is bad, or I could say that having two movement speeds elongates maps and leads to bad map design. They are both opinions, but one can be backed up with facts and statistics. If you can’t back up your opinion then your opinion dosen’t really matter. It can be my opinion that the sky is purple, but since I can’t back that up at all that dosen’t matter

[HEADSHOTHERO117]

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Why does this forum still exsits

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I mean we all agreed it is wrong any way but still why is it here

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No it won’t.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You’re making an assumption that the forum population is at all a reflection of the total population of people who buy Halo games. Consider that the forums are likely biased towards people who have problems with the game because people who don’t have problems are less likely to go to forums.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another completely unjustifiable assumption you are making is that sprint is the reason Halo has become less popular. Since sprint was introduced in Reach, there have been dozens of other things that could’ve contributed to player disappointment including other new gameplay mechanics, changes in campaign, and game customization options. It’s completely impossible to attribute the decrease in popularity to any single thing.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’m not assuming anything. It’s the opposite side saying sprint isn’t as big an issue as we’re making it out to be. They’re the ones putting forth assumptions. My argument doesn’t live or die based on how big a problem people find sprint. Others bring it up as a straw man because they have nothing to actually argue with or support their point. If they did, that - and only that - would be what they present.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, did I interpret your comment wrong? You’re not implying in the quoted post that sprint is the main reason people got fed up and moved on? If not, then that’s my bad.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I meant to say it was a reason, not the reason.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Okay I’m gonna have to call you out on that one- you’re trying to fall back into the whole “subject change,” instead of admitting and owning up to what you said earlier.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > You said, and I quote, “Of course most of them don’t complain about sprint. They’re playing the game (I’d also imagine most don’t use mic either), so obviously they don’t mind that much. Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise. You know why you don’t hear so many people complaining anymore? They got fed up and moved on, hence the lowest sales in the series and a low population. You must be new the forums if you think this was never a big deal.”
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> > > > > > > > > > > > @tsassi’s issue with what you’re implying is the exact same as mine- you said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise” which is a completely baseless claim and not even close to reality. Unlike what you’re implying, the reality is that most people haven’t gotten fed up with Halo and deserted the franchise because of sprint. And look, I understand why you don’t like sprint- I really do. I don’t feel the need prey on every single point you and the rest of the anti-sprinters bring up on the issue. You’ve got a right to form your own opinions and this would be a much less contentious (and more productive) thread if all the anti-sprinters felt the same way about pro-sprinters instead of aggressively attacking them for having an opposing viewpoint. But above all else, I really don’t think it’s right for you to continue to try and over represent your opinions on the matter to make it appear to be the “single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” because sprint is just not even close to being that big of a deal in the community. Maybe it’s that big of a deal for you, and I would totally respect that if you could just keep this issue in perspective.
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> > > > > > > > > > > “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right.”
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> > > > > > > > > > > Ok bro, just let me know when you’re done strawmanning and assuming. I’ll be here to discuss the issues when/if you do.
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> > > > > > > > > > I just directly quoted you and pointed out why @tsassi and I had an issue with what you stated. You literally said, “Sprint has been a talked about issue for years and the single most controversial issue ever in the franchise,” which simply cannot be defended because it cannot be true. You’re now changing the subject which is exactly what I predicted would happen.
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> > > > > > > > > > However I did not say, “Your baseless claim is wrong. My baseless claim is right,” so whenever you may be ready to discuss this someday I would appreciate it if you could start by accurately quoting me.
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> > > > > > > > > While his claim may be baseless and possibly wrong.
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> > I am just saying it does not matter its just running jeez
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> If it doesn’t matter to you it shouldn’t to me?

all I’m saying is that its a game and many other games have it like c.o.d and battlefield so your saying sprint shouldn’t be in any games because it ruins how the original versions were?

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> > > > > > > Secondly, how would you slightly alter it?
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> > > > > > It shouldn’t be removed. It’s an evolution that has already been made.
> > > > > > Perhaps decrease speed. Increase time it takes to reach full speed. Or make it an armor ability. Anything to your liking so your problem can be solved.
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> > > > > Let’s avoid terms that describe changes as improvements and instead outline what the changes do, shall we? So what are the effects that adding Sprint to Halo has brought?
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> > > > > Anything to my liking so that my issues with Sprint would be resolved? Alright, let’s tweak it so that players can still fire weapons/throw grenades/melee while doing so and make it where players can sprint in any direction, rather than just forward. That’ll pretty much do it for me.
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> > > I am pretty sure we learned from Halo 4 that perks and AAs in competitive play was a very very bad idea.
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> The very lack of them inside arena and breakout and the modes still being praised and nobody talking about them or asking for them back should show nobody really misses them or wants them back too badly.

Alas, that is only a mere assumption. When you get poles to prove that, only then I think 343 will think about removing it.

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> > > > > > > > Secondly, how would you slightly alter it?
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> > > > > > > It shouldn’t be removed. It’s an evolution that has already been made.
> > > > > > > Perhaps decrease speed. Increase time it takes to reach full speed. Or make it an armor ability. Anything to your liking so your problem can be solved.
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> > > > > > Anything to my liking so that my issues with Sprint would be resolved? Alright, let’s tweak it so that players can still fire weapons/throw grenades/melee while doing so and make it where players can sprint in any direction, rather than just forward. That’ll pretty much do it for me.
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> > > > > I like your idea, but I think that should just be an armor ability. For instance, let’s change Dexterity. When equipped, you may fire your weapons, throw grenades (Which increases the throwing distances) and melee while sprinting.
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> > The very lack of them inside arena and breakout and the modes still being praised and nobody talking about them or asking for them back should show nobody really misses them or wants them back too badly.
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> Alas, that is only a mere assumption. When you get poles to prove that, only then I think 343 will think about removing it.

It’s a educated and fact based assumption as he is right and we haven’t seen anyone ask for there return

[TY_the_Bandit]

I actually don’t have a problem with Sprint in the campaign or anything. Multiplayer I think should have the option to play in an “old school” playlist. Like back in the days of Halo 2 and 3 where it was more about being methodical. I don’t want to see Sprint taken away. I would just prefer we have the option to play without it on certain playlists and deselect it in custom games if we so choose. Its not about adding or taking away at this point. This is about giving the player options with which to customize and make personal.

[Orange7093]

While I understand why some people may want to keep sprint in the game, I personally think that it should be removed for Halo 6. My main reason is because I feel the maps are too large now and lack detail. In older Halo’s the maps were smaller yes, but that was made up for in the details put into every level. Also I prefer the Halo games which do not have sprint as it makes engagements more slow and tactical in my opinion.

If 343 wants to please everyone, I feel like it is crucial for them to add an ‘Old school’ or ‘Classic’ style playlist in Halo 6. One where sprint, ground pound etc are omitted in favour of just having the bare bones Halo 1-3 gameplay. If they introduce this, people who enjoy sprint will be happy, and people who do not will be as well.

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> > > > I’m not assuming anything. It’s the opposite side saying sprint isn’t as big an issue as we’re making it out to be. They’re the ones putting forth assumptions. My argument doesn’t live or die based on how big a problem people find sprint. Others bring it up as a straw man because they have nothing to actually argue with or support their point. If they did, that - and only that - would be what they present.
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> > No you didn’t interpret wrong @tsassi… Many of those hardcore anti-sprinters do everything they can in order to try and make it appear that sprint is supposedly a much larger issue than it actually is… When backed into a corner like that they’ll change the subject and try to focus on something else. They’re trying their best to over represent their issue with Halo in an attempt to instigate the change they want see…
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> > > Geez dude it’s like you see anyone who doesn’t support sprint as the illuminati with hidden agendas. We’ve been on topic for well over 200 pages. Like holy freaking fallacy batman…we’ve given reasons as to why we think it slows down gameplay and have provided evidence as well as some conjecture that sprint may be a reason that people have lost interest since Halo is not as unique. Points you have barely refuted at all and now just say we say whatever to fit our agenda. You’re dodging questions, making baseless assumptions, and strawmanning. You’ve triple dipped in fallacies bro.
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> > Never said anything about the illuminati - that’s fallacy #1 from you.
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> > Fallacy #2: This thread has NOT been on topic for all of its 200+ pages- the few of you anti-sprinters have successfully forced it to continue to go on and on for as long as it has… And you routinely and aggressively go after anyone with an opposing view on the matter but that doesn’t make it a productive and on-topic thread either.
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> > Fallacy #3: Your opinions do not equate to evidence, they just don’t (somebody has to say it). I respect that you feel the way you do about sprint- but a key fallacy and problem with this thread is you fail to recognize that your opinions do not constitute facts. Since you think your opinions are facts and you’re aggressively asserting them as such, all you can do is argue with people who feel otherwise- not constructively debate with them.
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> Many of our opinions are based upon facts and statistics while most of yours are just, l like sprint or, the game would be to slow without sprint. The second one at least has a point ( I like sprint Dosent matter, this isn’t a poll it’s a discussion about the effects of sprint) but the point of no sprint being too slow can be disproven once again with facts and statistics. It’s a hard concept to understand but the simplest way I can describe it is that I could say that sprint is bad, or I could say that having two movement speeds elongates maps and leads to bad map design. They are both opinions, but one can be backed up with facts and statistics. If you can’t back up your opinion then your opinion dosen’t really matter. It can be my opinion that the sky is purple, but since I can’t back that up at all that dosen’t matter

it is not opinion to say the sky is purple, so far as we’re differentiating between fact and opinion. It is simply factually incorrect.
Opinion is an issue of preference. While facts may be used in the formation of an opinion, the notion that sprint is bad for halo is opinion. You cannot prove it… at least not with the access we have. It would have to be shown that the inclusion of sprint was responsible for poor sales/ratings/population… but that isnt going to happen. There are myriad reasons why halo is not fps #1 these days.