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> > > > Keep sprint. Slightly alter it however.
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> > > First off, why keep it?
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> > > Secondly, how would you slightly alter it?
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> > It shouldn’t be removed. It’s an evolution that has already been made.
> > Perhaps decrease speed. Increase time it takes to reach full speed. Or make it an armor ability. Anything to your liking so your problem can be solved.
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> Let’s avoid terms that describe changes as improvements and instead outline what the changes do, shall we? So what are the effects that adding Sprint to Halo has brought?
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> Anything to my liking so that my issues with Sprint would be resolved? Alright, let’s tweak it so that players can still fire weapons/throw grenades/melee while doing so and make it where players can sprint in any direction, rather than just forward. That’ll pretty much do it for me.
I like your idea, but I think that should just be an armor ability. For instance, let’s change Dexterity. When equipped, you may fire your weapons, throw grenades (Which increases the throwing distances) and melee while sprinting.
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> > > > Mate, you do realize that you can just turn sprint off in the controller settings menu 
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> > > That Dosen’t solve the problem at all
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> > It can make you feel special not having sprint though 
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> Nice attempt on trolling buddy.
If that’s a troll, then you’re a watermelon, and sausages do exist as living beings. ;D
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> > > > > Mate, you do realize that you can just turn sprint off in the controller settings menu
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> > > > That Dosen’t solve the problem at all
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> > > It can make you feel special not having sprint though
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> > Nice attempt on trolling buddy.
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> If that’s a troll, then you’re a watermelon, and sausages do exist as living beings. ;D
Nice reply, only 3 weeks late to the party
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> > > > > > Mate, you do realize that you can just turn sprint off in the controller settings menu
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> > > > > That Dosen’t solve the problem at all
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> > > > It can make you feel special not having sprint though
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> > > Nice attempt on trolling buddy.
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> > If that’s a troll, then you’re a watermelon, and sausages do exist as living beings. ;D
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> Nice reply, only 3 weeks late to the party
3 weeks ‘fashionably’ late.
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> > > > > > > Mate, you do realize that you can just turn sprint off in the controller settings menu
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> > > > > > That Dosen’t solve the problem at all
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> > > > > It can make you feel special not having sprint though
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> > > > Nice attempt on trolling buddy.
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> > > If that’s a troll, then you’re a watermelon, and sausages do exist as living beings. ;D
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> > Nice reply, only 3 weeks late to the party
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> 3 weeks ‘fashionably’ late.
Walks in to some random other persons party 3 weeks later, sup guys. Wait your not bob… Back to the original conversation down with sprint, burn it
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> > > > > > > > Mate, you do realize that you can just turn sprint off in the controller settings menu
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> > > > > > > That Dosen’t solve the problem at all
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> > > > > > It can make you feel special not having sprint though
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> > > > >
> > > > > Nice attempt on trolling buddy.
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> > > > If that’s a troll, then you’re a watermelon, and sausages do exist as living beings. ;D
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> > >
> > > Nice reply, only 3 weeks late to the party
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> > 3 weeks ‘fashionably’ late.
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> Walks in to some random other persons party 3 weeks later, sup guys. Wait your not bob… Back to the original conversation down with sprint, burn it
Even though I use spriint a lot, I do agree that it does affect some aspects of gameplay, so yeah, BURN IT WITH FIRE!!! And then cover it with teriyaki flavoring and feed it to a regular sized giraffe.
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> > > > > > > > > Mate, you do realize that you can just turn sprint off in the controller settings menu
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> > > > > > > > That Dosen’t solve the problem at all
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> > > > > > > It can make you feel special not having sprint though
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nice attempt on trolling buddy.
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> > > > >
> > > > > If that’s a troll, then you’re a watermelon, and sausages do exist as living beings. ;D
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> > > > Nice reply, only 3 weeks late to the party
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> > > 3 weeks ‘fashionably’ late.
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> > Walks in to some random other persons party 3 weeks later, sup guys. Wait your not bob… Back to the original conversation down with sprint, burn it
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> Even though I use spriint a lot, I do agree that it does affect some aspects of gameplay, so yeah, BURN IT WITH FIRE!!! And then cover it with teriyaki flavoring and feed it to a regular sized giraffe.
But what is the formula for volume of sprint, elongation<BMS+ ( gold triangle=1/2 irrelevant)sprint speed~mancannons.
wow. I crammed a decent amount of meaning in there
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> > > > > > > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
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> > > > > > Except the maps are purposefully stretched out to accompany sprint, so that stretched maps will have the same sprint travel time as a non stretched map with just walking. So
> > > > > > not sprinting is punishing because the game had to be made around it.
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> > > > > Slow Mo across large maps is kinda lame. We need sprint…
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> > > > That’s irrelevant to the discussion.
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> > > How so? When you play big team maps or warzone maps, they’re big maps.
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> > > I understand the argument for multilayer maps being stretched out, but that’s mostly due to the fact that there’s a lot of remakes of old maps from the older games they have to make them larger for the bigger mobility. Midship would’ve even a weird map to keep exactly the same as in halo 2 or even as heretic in Halo 3. Which those maps were super small anyways.
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> > > The main issue isn’t that the maps are stretched out due to sprint, the main issue about bad maps is that it’s bad map design, and no real, or not a lot of real original maps. Reach never had this problem and some of the maps were still pretty small, or weren’t complete remakes from previous games. Those came in later with the halo:CE anniversary.
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> > Slow mo has nothing to do with the discussion.
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> I dunno, Halo without sprint feels like slow mo to me…
Go play on sancutary, beaver creek, or lockout and tell me that played in slow-mo. There was constant action on those maps even without sprint.
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> > > > > > > > > > > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Except the maps are purposefully stretched out to accompany sprint, so that stretched maps will have the same sprint travel time as a non stretched map with just walking. So
> > > > > > > > > > not sprinting is punishing because the game had to be made around it.
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Slow Mo across large maps is kinda lame. We need sprint…
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> > > > > > > > That’s irrelevant to the discussion.
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> > > > > > > How so? When you play big team maps or warzone maps, they’re big maps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I understand the argument for multilayer maps being stretched out, but that’s mostly due to the fact that there’s a lot of remakes of old maps from the older games they have to make them larger for the bigger mobility. Midship would’ve even a weird map to keep exactly the same as in halo 2 or even as heretic in Halo 3. Which those maps were super small anyways.
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> > > > > > > The main issue isn’t that the maps are stretched out due to sprint, the main issue about bad maps is that it’s bad map design, and no real, or not a lot of real original maps. Reach never had this problem and some of the maps were still pretty small, or weren’t complete remakes from previous games. Those came in later with the halo:CE anniversary.
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> > > > > > Slow mo has nothing to do with the discussion.
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> > > > > I dunno, Halo without sprint feels like slow mo to me…
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> > > > Well, Halo without sprint a decade ago feels slow. We’re talking about the future, not the past.
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> > > Well increasing the base movement speed doesn’t sound much better. Games only feel fast like that when you bump it up to a ridiculous speed like doom but then you got ridiculously huge maps as well.
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> > Increase the base speed and the increase the field of view a bit. Boom. Done. Problem solved. You move faster and your FoV would make you feel like you’re moving faster than you really are all without making the maps giant.
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> > It took me the entirety of 2 seconds to think that up.
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> That wouldn’t come close to “fixing,” anything
He said, not explaining why it wouldn’t fix anything
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> > > > > > > > > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Except the maps are purposefully stretched out to accompany sprint, so that stretched maps will have the same sprint travel time as a non stretched map with just walking. So
> > > > > > > > not sprinting is punishing because the game had to be made around it.
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Slow Mo across large maps is kinda lame. We need sprint…
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> > > > > > That’s irrelevant to the discussion.
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> > > > >
> > > > > How so? When you play big team maps or warzone maps, they’re big maps.
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand the argument for multilayer maps being stretched out, but that’s mostly due to the fact that there’s a lot of remakes of old maps from the older games they have to make them larger for the bigger mobility. Midship would’ve even a weird map to keep exactly the same as in halo 2 or even as heretic in Halo 3. Which those maps were super small anyways.
> > > > >
> > > > > The main issue isn’t that the maps are stretched out due to sprint, the main issue about bad maps is that it’s bad map design, and no real, or not a lot of real original maps. Reach never had this problem and some of the maps were still pretty small, or weren’t complete remakes from previous games. Those came in later with the halo:CE anniversary.
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> > > > Slow mo has nothing to do with the discussion.
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> > > I dunno, Halo without sprint feels like slow mo to me…
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> > Well, Halo without sprint a decade ago feels slow. We’re talking about the future, not the past.
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> Well increasing the base movement speed doesn’t sound much better. Games only feel fast like that when you bump it up to a ridiculous speed like doom but then you got ridiculously huge maps as well.
Not really. Doom’s maps aren’t all that big. You just move a lot faster so you actually have to aim at your target more because they have multiple movement options and can still shoot you
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> > > > > Keep sprint. Slightly alter it however.
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> > > > First off, why keep it?
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> > > > Secondly, how would you slightly alter it?
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> > > It shouldn’t be removed. It’s an evolution that has already been made.
> > > Perhaps decrease speed. Increase time it takes to reach full speed. Or make it an armor ability. Anything to your liking so your problem can be solved.
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> > Let’s avoid terms that describe changes as improvements and instead outline what the changes do, shall we? So what are the effects that adding Sprint to Halo has brought?
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> > Anything to my liking so that my issues with Sprint would be resolved? Alright, let’s tweak it so that players can still fire weapons/throw grenades/melee while doing so and make it where players can sprint in any direction, rather than just forward. That’ll pretty much do it for me.
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> I like your idea, but I think that should just be an armor ability. For instance, let’s change Dexterity. When equipped, you may fire your weapons, throw grenades (Which increases the throwing distances) and melee while sprinting.
I am pretty sure we learned from Halo 4 that perks and AAs in competitive play was a very very bad idea.
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> > > Get the F over sprint. It’s 2016, Halo HAS to evolve. I’ve been playing since LAN on HCE, so don’t give me this purist nonsense. I’ve also competed all the way up to H3, so I get the competitive angle. Halo needed a big movement and pacing change and H5 is has exceeded my wildest dreams of what they would actually be able to achieve in terms of keeping true to Halo, making needed changes, and actually delivering a MP experience that was fun. So please just move on.
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> > That’s not an argument. Why is it good for the gameplay? What does sprint accomplish that can’t be done in a another way with less negative effects?
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> That’s not an argument? Lol OK sure. Enjoy daydreaming of game mechanics from 2001.
You do realize that sprint is a mechanic from the 90s?
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> the difference between objective and subjective is not definition (it kinda is, but that serves to make the point)- one is measureable, one is preference. Not having the same definition means the conversation isnt going to be very fruitful. The sky is blue. if your definition of blue is different, the sky doesnt change color. Instead we’re going to have a long argument about color, light waves, etc. Same is true if you think opinion is simply a belief one holds, or yada yada. Definitions do matter, but only so far as ensuring everyone understands one another. They dont change the truth of the facts.
This is getting more philosophical than I intended, but I don’t think “truth” is as simple as you think it is. Ultimately, whether we can agree on a statement being true or false relies on us agreeing on the definition of the words used in the statement. It’s only because we have this fantastic language that we agree on that makes simple statements like “the sky is blue” so intuitively “true” to us without any disagreement. Obviously there is a world out there where things are the same to everyone, but we can’t speak of it without definitions.
The distinction between objective and subjective isn’t a simple matter. It becomes clear in situations like this when we have one group of people thinking it’s all objective, and another thinking it’s all subjective.If it was simple, we wouldn’t be having this metadebate.
rule one of making halo don’t break the golden triangle
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> > > > First off, why keep it?
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> > > > Secondly, how would you slightly alter it?
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> > > It shouldn’t be removed. It’s an evolution that has already been made.
> > > Perhaps decrease speed. Increase time it takes to reach full speed. Or make it an armor ability. Anything to your liking so your problem can be solved.
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> > Let’s avoid terms that describe changes as improvements and instead outline what the changes do, shall we? So what are the effects that adding Sprint to Halo has brought?
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> > Anything to my liking so that my issues with Sprint would be resolved? Alright, let’s tweak it so that players can still fire weapons/throw grenades/melee while doing so and make it where players can sprint in any direction, rather than just forward. That’ll pretty much do it for me.
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> I like your idea, but I think that should just be an armor ability. For instance, let’s change Dexterity. When equipped, you may fire your weapons, throw grenades (Which increases the throwing distances) and melee while sprinting.
I despise the idea of Armor Mods in competitive Halo.
That said, the changes I proposed to Sprint were intended to be across the board and make it where it isn’t Sprint anymore. Its a higher base movement speed.
any halo game that broke the triangle reach 4 and 5 have been terrible compared to their predecessors lets tell 343 Don’t break the halo triangle
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> Not if the maps were designed around not sprinting in an a future no sprint title
Yes, good idea
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This is still going on?
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Yes and you’re pointless bump is only keeping it alive longer so thanks I guess since this is actually kinda important to me.
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> > > > First off, why keep it?
> > > >
> > > > Secondly, how would you slightly alter it?
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> > >
> > > It shouldn’t be removed. It’s an evolution that has already been made.
> > > Perhaps decrease speed. Increase time it takes to reach full speed. Or make it an armor ability. Anything to your liking so your problem can be solved.
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> >
> > Let’s avoid terms that describe changes as improvements and instead outline what the changes do, shall we? So what are the effects that adding Sprint to Halo has brought?
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> > Anything to my liking so that my issues with Sprint would be resolved? Alright, let’s tweak it so that players can still fire weapons/throw grenades/melee while doing so and make it where players can sprint in any direction, rather than just forward. That’ll pretty much do it for me.
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> I like your idea, but I think that should just be an armor ability. For instance, let’s change Dexterity. When equipped, you may fire your weapons, throw grenades (Which increases the throwing distances) and melee while sprinting.
Oh god no.
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> > its opinion because the affect of sprint, assuming it can be objectively measured, is opinion based. its preference. We differ in the interpretation of data and causality of it all.
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> > the difference between objective and subjective is not definition (it kinda is, but that serves to make the point)- one is measureable, one is preference. Not having the same definition means the conversation isnt going to be very fruitful. The sky is blue. if your definition of blue is different, the sky doesnt change color. Instead we’re going to have a long argument about color, light waves, etc. Same is true if you think opinion is simply a belief one holds, or yada yada. Definitions do matter, but only so far as ensuring everyone understands one another. They dont change the truth of the facts.
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> This is getting more philosophical than I intended, but I don’t think “truth” is as simple as you think it is. Ultimately, whether we can agree on a statement being true or false relies on us agreeing on the definition of the words used in the statement. It’s only because we have this fantastic language that we agree on that makes simple statements like “the sky is blue” so intuitively “true” to us without any disagreement. Obviously there is a world out there where things are the same to everyone, but we can’t speak of it without definitions.
>
> The distinction between objective and subjective isn’t a simple matter. It becomes clear in situations like this when we have one group of people thinking it’s all objective, and another thinking it’s all subjective.If it was simple, we wouldn’t be having this metadebate.
We’re having a meta debate because humans can think. Truth absolutely is simple, but not simply obtained.
the Sky is blue. You can talk around it, use language to obfuscate the simplicity of word and perception. But It is not a matter of preference. How we convey the truth of its color is where the variation occurs. Maybe you use a different word, or want to get more specific or artsy with the categorization of color.
however, the same is not true of sprint in halo. it is almost entirely a matter of opinion. Both in the objectivity of its effects (how greatly are maps stretched out due to sprint? would they not be larger to accomodate more players as console and networking power has increased? We’re not really able to say, so we make certain assumptions based on our sensibilities), and the quality of these effects- does sprint make for a better game? So there is definitely a truth regarding Sprint and halo 5, but finding it is hard, and interpreting it a matter of opinion.
The sky is still blue, though.