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> > > > > > > > > > > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Except the maps are purposefully stretched out to accompany sprint, so that stretched maps will have the same sprint travel time as a non stretched map with just walking. So
> > > > > > > > > > not sprinting is punishing because the game had to be made around it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Slow Mo across large maps is kinda lame. We need sprint…
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That’s irrelevant to the discussion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How so? When you play big team maps or warzone maps, they’re big maps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I understand the argument for multilayer maps being stretched out, but that’s mostly due to the fact that there’s a lot of remakes of old maps from the older games they have to make them larger for the bigger mobility. Midship would’ve even a weird map to keep exactly the same as in halo 2 or even as heretic in Halo 3. Which those maps were super small anyways.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The main issue isn’t that the maps are stretched out due to sprint, the main issue about bad maps is that it’s bad map design, and no real, or not a lot of real original maps. Reach never had this problem and some of the maps were still pretty small, or weren’t complete remakes from previous games. Those came in later with the halo:CE anniversary.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Slow mo has nothing to do with the discussion.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I dunno, Halo without sprint feels like slow mo to me…
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, Halo without sprint a decade ago feels slow. We’re talking about the future, not the past.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well increasing the base movement speed doesn’t sound much better. Games only feel fast like that when you bump it up to a ridiculous speed like doom but then you got ridiculously huge maps as well.
> >
> >
> > Increase the base speed and the increase the field of view a bit. Boom. Done. Problem solved. You move faster and your FoV would make you feel like you’re moving faster than you really are all without making the maps giant.
> >
> > It took me the entirety of 2 seconds to think that up.
>
>
> And yet it’s wrong. The maps are huge in doom because of the speed. If you increase the base movement speed the map size will increase as well. Haven’t you been saying that sprint has made maps larger? What do you think an increased base movement speed do?
>
> P.S.
> Doom also has an increased FOV. I think it’s either 95 or 105.
You just made a lot of assumptions. I never said what the speed should be or what the FoV should be.
Perhaps it should be the current sprint speed or perhaps it should be a little slower than that. Testing would have to be done to determine the best speed. Either way, constantly moving at the speed maps are built for makes the game faster paced. As does the ability to always be offensive.
Dooms FoV has no effect on what I said. Increasing Halo 6’s FoV would result in people feeling like they’re going faster.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Except the maps are purposefully stretched out to accompany sprint, so that stretched maps will have the same sprint travel time as a non stretched map with just walking. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > not sprinting is punishing because the game had to be made around it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Slow Mo across large maps is kinda lame. We need sprint…
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That’s irrelevant to the discussion.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How so? When you play big team maps or warzone maps, they’re big maps.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I understand the argument for multilayer maps being stretched out, but that’s mostly due to the fact that there’s a lot of remakes of old maps from the older games they have to make them larger for the bigger mobility. Midship would’ve even a weird map to keep exactly the same as in halo 2 or even as heretic in Halo 3. Which those maps were super small anyways.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The main issue isn’t that the maps are stretched out due to sprint, the main issue about bad maps is that it’s bad map design, and no real, or not a lot of real original maps. Reach never had this problem and some of the maps were still pretty small, or weren’t complete remakes from previous games. Those came in later with the halo:CE anniversary.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Slow mo has nothing to do with the discussion.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I dunno, Halo without sprint feels like slow mo to me…
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, Halo without sprint a decade ago feels slow. We’re talking about the future, not the past.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well increasing the base movement speed doesn’t sound much better. Games only feel fast like that when you bump it up to a ridiculous speed like doom but then you got ridiculously huge maps as well.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Increase the base speed and the increase the field of view a bit. Boom. Done. Problem solved. You move faster and your FoV would make you feel like you’re moving faster than you really are all without making the maps giant.
> > > >
> > > > It took me the entirety of 2 seconds to think that up.
> > >
> > >
> > > That wouldn’t come close to “fixing,” anything
> >
> >
> > I doubt you even know what the problems are, but I’ll bite: why not?
>
>
> No thanks - not worth it. You’ve demonstrated that you’d rather go after people themselves than the ideas they post so I’d rather not get baited into something like that today.
>
> Sprint should stay in future Halo games and I’ve posted my thoughts on why that it.
Ok, well read up on the problems, that way you’re not scared off when someone asks you to explain your claims. If you do that, things will probably go better next time.
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> > > > > > > Get the F over sprint. It’s 2016, Halo HAS to evolve. I’ve been playing since LAN on HCE, so don’t give me this purist nonsense. I’ve also competed all the way up to H3, so I get the competitive angle. Halo needed a big movement and pacing change and H5 is has exceeded my wildest dreams of what they would actually be able to achieve in terms of keeping true to Halo, making needed changes, and actually delivering a MP experience that was fun. So please just move on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That’s not an argument. Why is it good for the gameplay? What does sprint accomplish that can’t be done in a another way with less negative effects?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That’s not an argument? Lol OK sure. Enjoy daydreaming of game mechanics from 2001.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Claiming “it’s the current year” is by no means an argument. See I can say it’s 2015 and 343 can’t even produce forge at launch, unbelievable!
> > > >
> > > > 2007 we had forge at launch, however this iteration of forge is far more complex and sophisticated than anything we’ve seen before. So just claiming it’s the current year is a complete non-argument. It’s actually being intellectually dishonest, you’re avoiding the topic at hand by stating what year it is.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have fun complaining about the basic fundamentals of a game on its forums nearly a year after launch.
> >
> >
> > Classic example of the avoiding the issue fallacy. Just answer the question.
>
>
> Of course the current date is relevant. The issue is that the game mechanics that worked and felt fresh in 2001 simply do not anymore. Back then, sprint was not common in FPS and the general population did not expect it. Now in 2016, sprint is ubiquitous with shooters and players come to expect it. Further more, additional mobility options are actually becoming the norm IE sliding, thrusting, wall running etc. To launch a shooter in 2016 where players just walked around slowly like it was 2001 would have ZERO appeal to the general population that didn’t grow up with Halo CE, Doom, Quake or Counter Strike. The problem with no sprint purists, is that they expect the world to cater to their nostalgic expectations of what Halo is allowed to be, and simply refuse to expand that definition. It’s stubborn and entitled. They need to realize that there’s an entire generation of players that just want something fast and fun. Halo 5 is certainly those things. So I say it again, have fun living in 2001 and complaining about sprint instead of enjoying a great game.
Remember those cartoons where a gauge of some sort would reach the max values, wringe and cringe, glass explode and the pointer goes even further? In this case it’s the irony-gauge.
Adding sprint to Halo CE wouldn’t magically make it Halo Reach, Halo 4 or Halo 5. So removing sprint wouldn’t magically make the next Halo one of the trilogy games.
Also, doing what is the norm kills game development.
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> > > > > > > Get the F over sprint. It’s 2016, Halo HAS to evolve. I’ve been playing since LAN on HCE, so don’t give me this purist nonsense. I’ve also competed all the way up to H3, so I get the competitive angle. Halo needed a big movement and pacing change and H5 is has exceeded my wildest dreams of what they would actually be able to achieve in terms of keeping true to Halo, making needed changes, and actually delivering a MP experience that was fun. So please just move on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That’s not an argument. Why is it good for the gameplay? What does sprint accomplish that can’t be done in a another way with less negative effects?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That’s not an argument? Lol OK sure. Enjoy daydreaming of game mechanics from 2001.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Claiming “it’s the current year” is by no means an argument. See I can say it’s 2015 and 343 can’t even produce forge at launch, unbelievable!
> > > >
> > > > 2007 we had forge at launch, however this iteration of forge is far more complex and sophisticated than anything we’ve seen before. So just claiming it’s the current year is a complete non-argument. It’s actually being intellectually dishonest, you’re avoiding the topic at hand by stating what year it is.
> > >
> > >
> > > Have fun complaining about the basic fundamentals of a game on its forums nearly a year after launch.
> >
> >
> > Classic example of the avoiding the issue fallacy. Just answer the question.
>
>
> Of course the current date is relevant. The issue is that the game mechanics that worked and felt fresh in 2001 simply do not anymore. Back then, sprint was not common in FPS and the general population did not expect it. Now in 2016, sprint is ubiquitous with shooters and players come to expect it. Further more, additional mobility options are actually becoming the norm IE sliding, thrusting, wall running etc. To launch a shooter in 2016 where players just walked around slowly like it was 2001 would have ZERO appeal to the general population that didn’t grow up with Halo CE, Doom, Quake or Counter Strike. The problem with no sprint purists, is that they expect the world to cater to their nostalgic expectations of what Halo is allowed to be, and simply refuse to expand that definition. It’s stubborn and entitled. They need to realize that there’s an entire generation of players that just want something fast and fun. Halo 5 is certainly those things. So I say it again, have fun living in 2001 and complaining about sprint instead of enjoying a great game.
Incorrect, games as early as the mid 90s had sprint. So technically we are going back by adding sprint, but the age of the mechanics aren’t what matters, it’s the effect they have that matters. And I’m sure everyone here is aware of the bad effects sprint has by now
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Except the maps are purposefully stretched out to accompany sprint, so that stretched maps will have the same sprint travel time as a non stretched map with just walking. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > not sprinting is punishing because the game had to be made around it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Slow Mo across large maps is kinda lame. We need sprint…
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > That’s irrelevant to the discussion.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How so? When you play big team maps or warzone maps, they’re big maps.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I understand the argument for multilayer maps being stretched out, but that’s mostly due to the fact that there’s a lot of remakes of old maps from the older games they have to make them larger for the bigger mobility. Midship would’ve even a weird map to keep exactly the same as in halo 2 or even as heretic in Halo 3. Which those maps were super small anyways.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The main issue isn’t that the maps are stretched out due to sprint, the main issue about bad maps is that it’s bad map design, and no real, or not a lot of real original maps. Reach never had this problem and some of the maps were still pretty small, or weren’t complete remakes from previous games. Those came in later with the halo:CE anniversary.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Slow mo has nothing to do with the discussion.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I dunno, Halo without sprint feels like slow mo to me…
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, Halo without sprint a decade ago feels slow. We’re talking about the future, not the past.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well increasing the base movement speed doesn’t sound much better. Games only feel fast like that when you bump it up to a ridiculous speed like doom but then you got ridiculously huge maps as well.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Increase the base speed and the increase the field of view a bit. Boom. Done. Problem solved. You move faster and your FoV would make you feel like you’re moving faster than you really are all without making the maps giant.
> > > > >
> > > > > It took me the entirety of 2 seconds to think that up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That wouldn’t come close to “fixing,” anything
> > >
> > >
> > > I doubt you even know what the problems are, but I’ll bite: why not?
> >
> >
> > No thanks - not worth it. You’ve demonstrated that you’d rather go after people themselves than the ideas they post so I’d rather not get baited into something like that today.
> >
> > Sprint should stay in future Halo games and I’ve posted my thoughts on why that it.
>
>
> Ok, well read up on the problems, that way you’re not scared off when someone asks you to explain your claims. If you do that, things will probably go better next time.
I disagree with you- I have no problem debating with people when they’re respectful and open-minded about it. Some people aren’t here to do that- they want to attack people just for having an opposition point of view instead.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except the maps are purposefully stretched out to accompany sprint, so that stretched maps will have the same sprint travel time as a non stretched map with just walking. So
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sprinting is punishing because the game had to be made around it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Slow Mo across large maps is kinda lame. We need sprint…
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > That’s irrelevant to the discussion.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How so? When you play big team maps or warzone maps, they’re big maps.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I understand the argument for multilayer maps being stretched out, but that’s mostly due to the fact that there’s a lot of remakes of old maps from the older games they have to make them larger for the bigger mobility. Midship would’ve even a weird map to keep exactly the same as in halo 2 or even as heretic in Halo 3. Which those maps were super small anyways.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The main issue isn’t that the maps are stretched out due to sprint, the main issue about bad maps is that it’s bad map design, and no real, or not a lot of real original maps. Reach never had this problem and some of the maps were still pretty small, or weren’t complete remakes from previous games. Those came in later with the halo:CE anniversary.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Slow mo has nothing to do with the discussion.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I dunno, Halo without sprint feels like slow mo to me…
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, Halo without sprint a decade ago feels slow. We’re talking about the future, not the past.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well increasing the base movement speed doesn’t sound much better. Games only feel fast like that when you bump it up to a ridiculous speed like doom but then you got ridiculously huge maps as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Increase the base speed and the increase the field of view a bit. Boom. Done. Problem solved. You move faster and your FoV would make you feel like you’re moving faster than you really are all without making the maps giant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It took me the entirety of 2 seconds to think that up.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That wouldn’t come close to “fixing,” anything
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I doubt you even know what the problems are, but I’ll bite: why not?
> > >
> > >
> > > No thanks - not worth it. You’ve demonstrated that you’d rather go after people themselves than the ideas they post so I’d rather not get baited into something like that today.
> > >
> > > Sprint should stay in future Halo games and I’ve posted my thoughts on why that it.
> >
> >
> > Ok, well read up on the problems, that way you’re not scared off when someone asks you to explain your claims. If you do that, things will probably go better next time.
>
>
> I disagree with you- I have no problem debating with people when they’re respectful and open-minded about it.
Then why is it so hard to tell me why it won’t fix anything? It’s not much of a discussion when you refuse to explain your baseless claims. You end up being no better than the people that come in here with a one liner never to return.
I hate how sprint is basically discouraged in this game.
If you sprint while under fire it slows you down to a halt.
If you decide to sprint after your shield has recently been damaged, your regeneration RESETS instead of just pausing to wait till you walk again.
Retreating is basically impossible when in a firefight because while your getting shot in the back. You can’t run even though your spamming the sprint button like a mad man. Mind you this is a spartan super soldier. “hey guys I’m in a fight I can’t win. I’ll just walk away like I’M NOT DYING…”
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> No, just no.
>
> I hate how sprint is basically discouraged in this game.
> 1. If you sprint while under fire it slows you down to a halt.
> 2. If you decide to sprint after your shield has recently been damaged, your regeneration RESETS instead of just pausing to wait till you walk again.
> 3. Retreating is basically impossible when in a firefight because while your getting shot in the back. You can’t run even though your spamming the sprint button like a mad man. Mind you this is a spartan super soldier. “hey guys I’m in a fight I can’t win. I’ll just walk away like I’M NOT DYING…”
Then you die, it’s kind of the point. It’s a shooting game, not a running away game. If your loosing a firefight it’s your fault , the other player won and deserves the kill
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> This is dumb.
> If you dont like sprinting then dont sprint…
> “but wahhh the maps are purposely stretched out for sprint”
> Warthogs…
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> > This is dumb.
> > If you dont like sprinting then dont sprint…
> > “but wahhh the maps are purposely stretched out for sprint”
> > Warthogs…
>
>
> Arena maps you fool.
arena maps arent stretched out at all. You guys are looking for every excuse to get mad at something lmao
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> This is dumb.
> If you dont like sprinting then dont sprint…
> “but wahhh the maps are purposely stretched out for sprint”
> Warthogs…
Where, btb vehicles suck and for some reason 343 decided arena maps can’t have occasional vehicles anymore
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> > No, just no.
> >
> > I hate how sprint is basically discouraged in this game.
> > 1. If you sprint while under fire it slows you down to a halt.
> > 2. If you decide to sprint after your shield has recently been damaged, your regeneration RESETS instead of just pausing to wait till you walk again.
> > 3. Retreating is basically impossible when in a firefight because while your getting shot in the back. You can’t run even though your spamming the sprint button like a mad man. Mind you this is a spartan super soldier. “hey guys I’m in a fight I can’t win. I’ll just walk away like I’M NOT DYING…”
>
>
> Then you die, it’s kind of the point. It’s a shooting game, not a running away game. If your loosing a firefight it’s your fault , the other player won and deserves the kill
I agree with you both on this one… sprint can be a pain when it reset when your are not walking, but during a shoot out… yes the enemy deserve kill, but by yourself with no one around… charge should recharge even while running when you aren’t under fire.
