The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, at the end of all of this, it is all a matter of opinion. No matter how much you people argue, there will be those who like sprint and those who don’t. Those who play the new games happily and those who complain about it and for some reason still play it. That is why this thread won’t die, it’s a battle of opinions. So all we can do is wait till halo 6 comes and see who won.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Preference is an opinion. However, the way that sprint (negatively) impacts the dynamics of the game, the core fundamentals of Halo, map design and flow, etc. is NOT opinion and can not be argued. People need to get this through their skulls (no pun intended).
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> > > > > > > > > > you see, this is where you wrong. for some people sprint has a positive impact on their gaming experience.
> > > > > > > > > > in the end, this IS opinion indeed. and THAT’S what people need to get in their brains like a bunch of sharp needles.
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> > > > > > > > > Give a legitimate reason how sprint impacts anything positively and you can say that, this is an argument thread where we make arguments including reasoning, evidence and proof, not your opinion
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> > > > > > > > Here is why I like sprint: because in MY OPINION it makes the game faster, in MY OPINION it makes sense to be able to run, and in MY OPINION I like how the game plays. So there you go, I don’t give a **** what reasons you or any anti-sprinter have to say, I enjoy sprinting and so do many others. It is ALL opinion wether you believe you are using logical reasons or not.
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> > > > > > > But it doesn’t actually make the game faster (paced). It only gives the ILLUSION of being faster. It’s actually quite the opposite. Average game time of a CE or H2 match are A LOT shorter than that of a Reach, H4, or H5 match. That is not opinion, regardless of what you say.
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> > > > > > Buddy, you clearly still don’t get what im saying. You can give any reason you want under the sun about why you believe sprint is not good, but I and many others do not care! We don’t care about the reasons you give us. You can call it an illusion, you can say it’s a detriment to halo but to us, we like it and nothing you say will change that. I understand your reasons, they are good, well founded reasons I admit, but it doesn’t affect me. I like sprint, you don’t and that’s how it is, you’re not wrong to dislike it but neither am I for liking it. I’m not saying your reasons are wrong, im saying that your reasons will not affect people who truly enjoy sprint.
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> > > > > And that’s the problem with this community people who shut down in their confirmation bias towards sprint and refuse to at least acknowledge overwhelming evidence. If you can’t prove your opinions then they don’t matter, there just words to be ignored that hold no real meaning
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> > > > After I have seen the overwhelming evidence, I still dont change my mind. So good job. Pro-sprinters, does the overwhelming evidence provided by the anti-sprint community affect how you feel when you play halo?
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> > > No it probably dosen’t, children have a tendancy to act like that
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> > If they don’t notice the effects, it means knowing the effect will almost definitely not change their opinion either.
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> > Though it would also mean they wouldn’t notice a change should Halo switch to no sprint. They would just know sprint isn’t there, not what the gameplay difference is. As such, those people should not be catered to because devs shouldn’t cater to the ones that don’t notice, they should cater to the ones that do.
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> Yea, I made a post earlier saying that most of the pro sprint people, even casuals not on waypoint, they don’t know what it’s like without sprint (thank cod for that) so they defualt to pro sprint, because change is scary. I bet that if we had a no sprint game most of these people would love it, they are just scared of change to something that seems weird (because cod has generalized the entire fps industry to their dull formula)

Wow you are both so wrong about this. They don’t notice it not because they’re numb to it and they don’t want the removal of sprint because they hate change (older halo players hate change).

They don’t notice these things because they aren’t as big of a deal as you claim them to be. Maps aren’t bad in Halo because of sprint, but because of poor map design and execution.

The reason they don’t want the removal of sprint is because it’s implemented pretty well compared to other games and it speeds up a lot of the campaign missions quite significantly. Yes there’s vehicles on SOME of them had vehicles but there’s missions like The Ark from 3 where you have to go through a lot of huge buildings and corridors aside from the parts you travel in vehicles. And what happens when you’re playing coop and you die and have to go back and get your weapons. Without vehicles it takes quite a long time compared to doing it with sprint.

Instead of just taking the bare minimum of any argument someone makes, can you at least try to understand their side of the argument instead of just passing it off as “ignorant” “wrong” or “false”

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, at the end of all of this, it is all a matter of opinion. No matter how much you people argue, there will be those who like sprint and those who don’t. Those who play the new games happily and those who complain about it and for some reason still play it. That is why this thread won’t die, it’s a battle of opinions. So all we can do is wait till halo 6 comes and see who won.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Preference is an opinion. However, the way that sprint (negatively) impacts the dynamics of the game, the core fundamentals of Halo, map design and flow, etc. is NOT opinion and can not be argued. People need to get this through their skulls (no pun intended).
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> > > > > > > > > > > you see, this is where you wrong. for some people sprint has a positive impact on their gaming experience.
> > > > > > > > > > > in the end, this IS opinion indeed. and THAT’S what people need to get in their brains like a bunch of sharp needles.
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> > > > > > > > > > Give a legitimate reason how sprint impacts anything positively and you can say that, this is an argument thread where we make arguments including reasoning, evidence and proof, not your opinion
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> > > > > > > > > Here is why I like sprint: because in MY OPINION it makes the game faster, in MY OPINION it makes sense to be able to run, and in MY OPINION I like how the game plays. So there you go, I don’t give a **** what reasons you or any anti-sprinter have to say, I enjoy sprinting and so do many others. It is ALL opinion wether you believe you are using logical reasons or not.
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> > > > > > > > But it doesn’t actually make the game faster (paced). It only gives the ILLUSION of being faster. It’s actually quite the opposite. Average game time of a CE or H2 match are A LOT shorter than that of a Reach, H4, or H5 match. That is not opinion, regardless of what you say.
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> > > > > > > Buddy, you clearly still don’t get what im saying. You can give any reason you want under the sun about why you believe sprint is not good, but I and many others do not care! We don’t care about the reasons you give us. You can call it an illusion, you can say it’s a detriment to halo but to us, we like it and nothing you say will change that. I understand your reasons, they are good, well founded reasons I admit, but it doesn’t affect me. I like sprint, you don’t and that’s how it is, you’re not wrong to dislike it but neither am I for liking it. I’m not saying your reasons are wrong, im saying that your reasons will not affect people who truly enjoy sprint.
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> > > > > > And that’s the problem with this community people who shut down in their confirmation bias towards sprint and refuse to at least acknowledge overwhelming evidence. If you can’t prove your opinions then they don’t matter, there just words to be ignored that hold no real meaning
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> > > > > After I have seen the overwhelming evidence, I still dont change my mind. So good job. Pro-sprinters, does the overwhelming evidence provided by the anti-sprint community affect how you feel when you play halo?
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> > > > No it probably dosen’t, children have a tendancy to act like that
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> > > If they don’t notice the effects, it means knowing the effect will almost definitely not change their opinion either.
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> > > Though it would also mean they wouldn’t notice a change should Halo switch to no sprint. They would just know sprint isn’t there, not what the gameplay difference is. As such, those people should not be catered to because devs shouldn’t cater to the ones that don’t notice, they should cater to the ones that do.
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> > Yea, I made a post earlier saying that most of the pro sprint people, even casuals not on waypoint, they don’t know what it’s like without sprint (thank cod for that) so they defualt to pro sprint, because change is scary. I bet that if we had a no sprint game most of these people would love it, they are just scared of change to something that seems weird (because cod has generalized the entire fps industry to their dull formula)
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> Wow you are both so wrong about this. They don’t notice it not because they’re numb to it and they don’t want the removal of sprint because they hate change (older halo players hate change).
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> They don’t notice these things because they aren’t as big of a deal as you claim them to be. Maps aren’t bad in Halo because of sprint, but because of poor map design and execution.
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> The reason they don’t want the removal of sprint is because it’s implemented pretty well compared to other games and it speeds up a lot of the campaign missions quite significantly. Yes there’s vehicles on SOME of them had vehicles but there’s missions like The Ark from 3 where you have to go through a lot of huge buildings and corridors aside from the parts you travel in vehicles. And what happens when you’re playing coop and you die and have to go back and get your weapons. Without vehicles it takes quite a long time compared to doing it with sprint.
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> Instead of just taking the bare minimum of any argument someone makes, can you at least try to understand their side of the argument instead of just passing it off as “ignorant” “wrong” or “false”

You still haven’t given any legitimate evidence for us to see, in fact you specifically stated that it was your opinion and you dident need proof

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Here’s some food for thought. If sprint does not affect the way maps feel, how come 343 have yet to remake any of the maps they have made since the Reach title update? You’d think they thought one of their maps would make it this far since they took over.
Halo 2 had 3 maps remade from CE. Halo 3 had 4 maps remade and one similar to a previous map( Valhalla). What gives? It just shows that Bungie made some classic maps for every game.
You cannot count any maps as a remake of they were done in Forge

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, at the end of all of this, it is all a matter of opinion. No matter how much you people argue, there will be those who like sprint and those who don’t. Those who play the new games happily and those who complain about it and for some reason still play it. That is why this thread won’t die, it’s a battle of opinions. So all we can do is wait till halo 6 comes and see who won.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Preference is an opinion. However, the way that sprint (negatively) impacts the dynamics of the game, the core fundamentals of Halo, map design and flow, etc. is NOT opinion and can not be argued. People need to get this through their skulls (no pun intended).
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> > > > > > > > > > > you see, this is where you wrong. for some people sprint has a positive impact on their gaming experience.
> > > > > > > > > > > in the end, this IS opinion indeed. and THAT’S what people need to get in their brains like a bunch of sharp needles.
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> > > > > > > > > > Give a legitimate reason how sprint impacts anything positively and you can say that, this is an argument thread where we make arguments including reasoning, evidence and proof, not your opinion
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> > > > > > > > > Here is why I like sprint: because in MY OPINION it makes the game faster, in MY OPINION it makes sense to be able to run, and in MY OPINION I like how the game plays. So there you go, I don’t give a **** what reasons you or any anti-sprinter have to say, I enjoy sprinting and so do many others. It is ALL opinion wether you believe you are using logical reasons or not.
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> > > > > > > > But it doesn’t actually make the game faster (paced). It only gives the ILLUSION of being faster. It’s actually quite the opposite. Average game time of a CE or H2 match are A LOT shorter than that of a Reach, H4, or H5 match. That is not opinion, regardless of what you say.
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> > > > > > > Buddy, you clearly still don’t get what im saying. You can give any reason you want under the sun about why you believe sprint is not good, but I and many others do not care! We don’t care about the reasons you give us. You can call it an illusion, you can say it’s a detriment to halo but to us, we like it and nothing you say will change that. I understand your reasons, they are good, well founded reasons I admit, but it doesn’t affect me. I like sprint, you don’t and that’s how it is, you’re not wrong to dislike it but neither am I for liking it. I’m not saying your reasons are wrong, im saying that your reasons will not affect people who truly enjoy sprint.
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> > > > > > And that’s the problem with this community people who shut down in their confirmation bias towards sprint and refuse to at least acknowledge overwhelming evidence. If you can’t prove your opinions then they don’t matter, there just words to be ignored that hold no real meaning
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> > > > > After I have seen the overwhelming evidence, I still dont change my mind. So good job. Pro-sprinters, does the overwhelming evidence provided by the anti-sprint community affect how you feel when you play halo?
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> > > > No it probably dosen’t, children have a tendancy to act like that
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> > > If they don’t notice the effects, it means knowing the effect will almost definitely not change their opinion either.
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> > > Though it would also mean they wouldn’t notice a change should Halo switch to no sprint. They would just know sprint isn’t there, not what the gameplay difference is. As such, those people should not be catered to because devs shouldn’t cater to the ones that don’t notice, they should cater to the ones that do.
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> > Yea, I made a post earlier saying that most of the pro sprint people, even casuals not on waypoint, they don’t know what it’s like without sprint (thank cod for that) so they defualt to pro sprint, because change is scary. I bet that if we had a no sprint game most of these people would love it, they are just scared of change to something that seems weird (because cod has generalized the entire fps industry to their dull formula)
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> Wow you are both so wrong about this. They don’t notice it not because they’re numb to it and they don’t want the removal of sprint because they hate change (older halo players hate change).
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> They don’t notice these things because they aren’t as big of a deal as you claim them to be. Maps aren’t bad in Halo because of sprint, but because of poor map design and execution
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> The reason they don’t want the removal of sprint is because it’s implemented pretty well compared to other games and it speeds up a lot of the campaign missions quite significantly. Yes there’s vehicles on SOME of them had vehicles but there’s missions like The Ark from 3 where you have to go through a lot of huge buildings and corridors aside from the parts you travel in vehicles. And what happens when you’re playing coop and you die and have to go back and get your weapons. Without vehicles it takes quite a long time compared to doing it with sprint.
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> Instead of just taking the bare minimum of any argument someone makes, can you at least try to understand their side of the argument instead of just passing it off as “ignorant” “wrong” or “false”

Nailed it on the head; at the end of the day bad map design is BAD MAP DESIGN. Plus your campaign point is also a great point…Ark is a freaking marathon as it is with a vehicle. Dose sprint really have an impact over the fact that a maps execution is poor? It just makes it easier to get around, and how they did it in Halo 5 with the lack of recharge really balances it out due to the fact that you simply cannot out run your opponent to survive, it just simply makes it easier to get to point A to point B. A bad map is simply that, a bad map.

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> Here’s some food for thought. If sprint does not affect the way maps feel, how come 343 have yet to remake any of the maps they have made since the Reach title update? You’d think they thought one of their maps would make it this far since they took over.
> Halo 2 had 3 maps remade from CE. Halo 3 had 4 maps remade and one similar to a previous map( Valhalla). What gives?

…is Truth not a remake? Id love to see a couple more remakes in Halo 5, but the MCC is out their; why remake maps AGAIN.

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Truth came from halo 2 and is proof enough that stretching the map necessitates sprint, therefore ruining the maps flow. The point I’m making is that 343 are not confident with their own map design.

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It’s not gonna change. 343 has invested way too many resources for the movement system

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> > Here’s some food for thought. If sprint does not affect the way maps feel, how come 343 have yet to remake any of the maps they have made since the Reach title update? You’d think they thought one of their maps would make it this far since they took over.
> > Halo 2 had 3 maps remade from CE. Halo 3 had 4 maps remade and one similar to a previous map( Valhalla). What gives?
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> …is Truth not a remake? Id love to see a couple more remakes in Halo 5, but the MCC is out their; why remake maps AGAIN.

They had to make the map huge to accomadate sprint, believe it or not apex 7 (yes the warzone map) is a remake from ce. It’s acually a little smaller than the original version(death island)

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> Truth came from halo 2 and is proof enough that stretching the map necessitates sprint, therefore ruining the maps flow. The point I’m making is that 343 are not confident with their own map design.

Its still a remake; and to be honest I don’t notice that its been stretched, its still the same design and still feels like the same map that I played back in Halo 2. And I’ll argue that point considering their are less remakes in Halo 5 compared to previous entries. Id like to see a few CE Maps comeback, but if I were a developer Id rather try and create new maps, then simply re skinning old maps. Halo has forge so someone, somewhere is recreating old maps.

Id be sick and tired of re creating the same thing every 3-4 years. I want new maps, not the same recycled list in every title

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> > Truth came from halo 2 and is proof enough that stretching the map necessitates sprint, therefore ruining the maps flow. The point I’m making is that 343 are not confident with their own map design.
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> Its still a remake; and to be honest I don’t notice that its been stretched, its still the same design and still feels like the same map that I played back in Halo 2. And I’ll argue that point considering their are less remakes in Halo 5 compared to previous entries. Id like to see a few CE Maps comeback, but if I were a developer Id rather try and create new maps, then simply re skinning old maps. Halo has forge so someone, somewhere is recreating old maps.
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> Id be sick and tired of re creating the same thing every 3-4 years. I want new maps, not the same recycled list in every title, some remakes are welcome, but not every map in every game.

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I personally don’t care about Sprint. I like it and I AM a halo vet. But, I see where you’re coming from. As long as we have a great halo game, I really don’t care about Sprint. #makehalogreatagain

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> I personally don’t care about Sprint. I like it and I AM a halo vet. But, I see where you’re coming from. As long as we have a great halo game, I really don’t care about Sprint. #makehalogreatagain

Its not going to hurt my experience, as an old Halo player I’ve actually enjoyed watching this game grow over the years. Every Halo game feels like Halo, but with something fresh that makes it feel a little different then the one before it. Halo still has its Soul vs other titles out there.

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> didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.

Ikr if he doesn’t want sprint then he shouldn’t sprint. sprinting is optional walk 4 crying out loud

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Maybe I didn’t communicate very well so I’ll reiterate. How come 343 hasn’t remade any of THEIR maps yet. The maps that had sprint in mind. You mean to tell me none of their maps are good enough for a revision? I wonder why?

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> > I personally don’t care about Sprint. I like it and I AM a halo vet. But, I see where you’re coming from. As long as we have a great halo game, I really don’t care about Sprint. #makehalogreatagain
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> Its not going to hurt my experience, as an old Halo player I’ve actually enjoyed watching this game grow over the years. Every Halo game feels like Halo, but with something fresh that makes it feel a little different then the one before it. Halo still has its Soul vs other titles out there.

It has its soul, and it has its fire, and I too, enjoy watching it evolve. The new mechanics in each game are fun to learn and play with. It’s just the story that they messed up so bad in halo 5. But I do like Sprint and the Spartan abilities. It adds more open worldedness to an FPS rarely seen. Halo is great either way.

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> Maybe I didn’t communicate very well so I’ll reiterate. How come 343 hasn’t remade any of THEIR maps yet. The maps that had sprint in mind. You mean to tell me none of their maps are good enough for a revision? I wonder why?

  1. Cuz why do we need remakes? They’re just as bad as remixes
  2. Cuz this time those remakes would need to take clambor and other abilities into account for map design, and forge remakes have shown remakes won’t mesh with h5s current mechanics, it has nothing to do with 343s confidence in map design cuz even bungie only has one or two good maps in their games, should I say they lacked confidence as well?
  3. Reach isn’t 343s game as well, h4 is the only one and as said with point #2 they just won’t work with h5s current mechanics.
  4. You make the maps work with the mechanics, not the mechanics work for the map, hence why point #2 stands. If they were to make remakes they would not play the same, so there’s another reason as to why it’s pointless.
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And plus some of the those backgrounds are hard to recreate. I remember some maps from Halo ODST where the background is different from what we have in H5

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> Maybe I didn’t communicate very well so I’ll reiterate. How come 343 hasn’t remade any of THEIR maps yet. The maps that had sprint in mind. You mean to tell me none of their maps are good enough for a revision? I wonder why?

Ill take the wounder out of your question: Halo 5 is the second game that they have truly developed out of an entire franchise that they inherited; and there’s tjhe MCC on the same console. The focus is on new maps. 1-2 remakes are enough.

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> > Maybe I didn’t communicate very well so I’ll reiterate. How come 343 hasn’t remade any of THEIR maps yet. The maps that had sprint in mind. You mean to tell me none of their maps are good enough for a revision? I wonder why?
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> 1. Cuz why do we need remakes? They’re just as bad as remixes
> 2. Cuz this time those remakes would need to take clambor and other abilities into account for map design, and forge remakes have shown remakes won’t mesh with h5s current mechanics, it has nothing to do with 343s confidence in map design cuz even bungie only has one or two good maps in their games, should I say they lacked confidence as well?
> 3. Reach isn’t 343s game as well, h4 is the only one and as said with point #2 they just won’t work with h5s current mechanics.
> 4. You make the maps work with the mechanics, not the mechanics work for the map, hence why point #2 stands. If they were to make remakes they would not play the same, so there’s another reason as to why it’s pointless.

Everything you just said ignores the fact that Truth is a map in Halo 5. They can make Halo 4 maps work just as easy as they can Halo 2. It’ll be even easier, Halo 4 maps were built around sprint just like Halo 5

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I would try to recreate some maps from H3 but I’m too lazy and not that skillful.