The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > To sprint or not to sprint?
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> > Then don’t press the buttons that make your spartan sprint. So freaking simple. Yet there’s still those who wants the sprint to get removed
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> Oh dear, you don’t understand how much sprint impacts the game and the maps.

Trust me, after about 5500 games playing Reach, i know the meaning of sprint. Reach was the 1st halo game to introduce sprint

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> > > > > > > > As long as everybody can sprint, then it doesn’t make a difference if there are two movement speeds, because if sprint didn’t exist, everyone would still be walking at the same relative speed. And besides, it wouldn’t be logical to remove it anyways because that is just another inconsistency that 343 would be making. Cough cough removing smg in halo 4 removing concussion rifle and sticky detonator from halo 5 cough cough
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> > > > > > > Inconsistency don’t even matter to 343/bungie anymore, it never did. if you think those were bad then explain the foreward into dawn being A COMPLETELY DIFFRENT CLASS OF SHIP in halo 4 and now having weapons like the saw onboard. Where did the ce fuel rod go, why do ce and first strike directly disagree with each other. Why do the fall of reach and halo reach have completely diffrent story’s. They have always put gameplay over lore and consistancy, why would that stop now?
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> > > > > > Actually Halo CE and First Strike are pretty consistent. As First Strike is after CE and we don’t know a lot about what happened to the marines on Installation 04 from the game. We only know that from the
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> > > > > > > > Removing sprint would be a step backwards. Doing it would not make the game faster and it would not make the game slower.
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> > > > > > > > Play speed is average player movement speed RELATIVE to the map size. If average player speed is say doubled from halo two and map size is doubled than the pace of the game will remain the same. Developers will adjust this relativity by adjusting these mechanics through relevant statistics.
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> > > > > > > > What sprint actually does to the game is it diversifies the ranges at which battles are fought and enables a diversification in the functionality of weapons.
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> > > > > > > No it Dosent, it elongates maps, breaks the goldeng traingle and ruins flow, large maps with teleporters and man cannons make the game fast, large maps with sprint don’t
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> > > > > > “breaks the Golden triangle”… Dude that only mattered in 2004, 2007, and maybe 2010 when there wasn’t a proper sprint mechanic out in.
> > > > > > Times have changed, the military doesn’t use cannon balls and muskets anymore. So halo has sprint, get over it. The “Golden Triangle” was/is a great thing. And it’s still useable with sprint. The only thing sprint and Halo 5’s new movement stuff does is put the triangle on a spinner and allows the player to spin it around to speed the game up and change how you engage a situation. Now you can actually jump and run in with a shotgun even when someone is backing up with a BR, which in your perfect halo is a definite death. Now it’s not.
> > > > > > Or sprint turns the triangle into a diamond that you do. Either way it opens up combat more. It’s not as static as it used to be.
> > > > > > It’d be better if sprint could recharge shields to and health packs where back too.
> > > > > > “ruins flow” it creates new flow. A different one. Different one that you and some other people aren’t used to, or used to in a Halo game.
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> > > > > > Bring health packs back, it makes the game better and harder!!
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> > > > > > I’m going to continue to say that until 343 puts health packs back in the game.
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> > > > First off, which modern games, or fps’ are removing sprint? Other than DOOM, which has such a high movement speed anyways that sprint isn’t a big deal. Not to mention how the games combat works which is more about guns guns guns guns guns and big -Yoinking!- guns.
> > > > And actually bungie didnt remove sprint from h2 because it broke the core gameplay. They removed it because their engine and the xbox’s power didn’t allow sprint and their gameplay to work they way they wanted it. And Joesph Staten Amd Jason Jones have openly said that not getting it to work properly was one of the biggest mistakes they made for the series. Also, assassinations, the jetpack, mongoose and a motorcycle with a side var and chaingun(how awesome would that be) were supposed to be in h2. And h3. But bungie didnt have the time, resources or processing power to make them work to their standards.
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> > > > And I never stated that sprint halo isn’t halo. Never once have I stated that the newer games don’t use the same formula. Halo is about Combat Evolved. It’s in the title of the best and first game of the series. It’s about taking things and reinventing them, or creating new ideas. It hasn’t done that ever.
> > > > I’ll admit that h4 didn’t do anything tremendously good for the series.
> > > > But sprint halo still has the Golden triangle. Sprint doesn’t break it, but it does shift it from being what we’re used to. If there’s corner room with 2 or more enemies, you’re still going Gnade>Gun>Melee. Or Gun>Gnade>Gun, etc. You’re not running in just because there’s sprint.
> > > > And you still move the same as all the other games. It’s this interesting semi 3rd person type of movement, you move more like an action hero and action figure. The way I imagined G. I Joe moved around when I was kid. It still allows for that classic halo type of combat with jumping and aiming. So movement has always been apart of halo’s golden triangle. Now it’s just a bigger part. The movement is one of the only things that makes me still play halo.
> > > > Is it the exact same formula? No. Is it different? Yes. Sprint isn’t the problem with this series. It’s this social division that is.
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> > > > And I have been listening to other people, doubt you have. I am well aware that people are arguing for and against it. This is just a stupid argument that is ruining the game and community. It’s so socially divided that nothing that Needs fixing is getting fixed.
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> > > > Guess what, if it’s in a Halo game… It’s Halo. Not the one you and I grew up with, but it’s still halo. You move and shoot your 1 or 2 precision guns like every other halo game. The first gun you drop is the AR like every other halo game. It’s a Halo game.
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> > > > But seriously, what games or fps are removing sprint? Battlefield isn’t, CoD isn’t, Destiny isn’t, mass effect isn’t, gears of war isn’t, Skyrim Ultimate isn’t. I have yet to specifically see any new shooter not have a sprint mechanic. Only one is DOOM. And that game is just perfect. More games should have a health system.
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> > Can you shoot while reloading? Can you shoot while driving a warthog? Can you shoot while spawning? Can you shoot while out of ammo?
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> > Sprint doesnt ruin the triangle. There are always times when some actions are unavailable.
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> That’s the thing about the triangle, it’s either easily understood, or you go -Yoink- and don’t get it at all

I get the triangle. It was a dramatic change from previous shooters… I was just playing fallout 3 and was really upset that I couldnt melee and toss grenades while having my 10mm pistol equipped (like how in Fallout 4 bethesda finally figured out what bungie did years ago…).

The point is that the triangle has always had limitations. Like holding a flag, or dual wielding…

Sprint doesnt ruin this. It simply adds another restriction for when those attack options are immediately available. The same overall effect is in place- each player has access too these attacks at will (given those moments when they dont).

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> > > Then don’t press the buttons that make your spartan sprint. So freaking simple. Yet there’s still those who wants the sprint to get removed
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> > Oh dear, you don’t understand how much sprint impacts the game and the maps.
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> Trust me, after about 5500 games playing Reach, i know the meaning of sprint. Reach was the 1st halo game to introduce sprint

Ill just leave you with this video id highly recommend watching it all the way through

link

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> > So now it was a huge mistake for bungie for giving the spartans the ability to run? WTF? People would have wanted the sprint eventually. And does the SLOW paced halo bring any new halo fans to our community? Maybe few. Halo 5 is pretty fast paced with sprint and it’s now more popular than Halo 3 when comes to daily active players.
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> Maybe a few? How can you even make that type of claim when it hasn’t even been tried yet for the modern Halos? Then you imply that H5 is popular because of sprint. Can you show us some proof that it’s popular because it specifically has sprint? I have a feeling I’ll be waiting for a very long time.

H5 is popular because of sprint?? I SAID THAT IT’S FAST PACED. I NEVER MENTIONED, THAT IT IS POPULAR BECAUSE OF SPRINT. I only assume, when i wrote “a few.”
And of course H3 was popular because everybody moved around with the same pace…

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> > > > Sprint makes Halo Halo. Welcome to the new century of gaming. Everything is fast paced
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> > > Sprint is not required to make something fast paced. Look at the last millenium.
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> > This is the 21st century . Sprint or running in general makes todays games fast paced. Stop living in the past, kid
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> That’s the problem with people like you, that mindset that halo needs to follow modern gameplay standards, modern standards is what created halo 4. We followed other games having loadouts/killstreaks and look how that went. Halo needs to do what works for halo, set their own trends, not what works for cod and battlefield

Even with Load outs, Halo was still Halo. The problem is when players like yourself are resistant to tweaks. The game at its core is still Halo but its going to continue to evolve because if it stays the same, how can it grow? Titles like you mentioned above; feel more like expansion packs then true sequals (COD is literally the SAME GAME every year, and really show me real change between BF 3 to 4) Where as Halo at its core is the same, but those tweaks go a long way to make the game feel fresh. Halo dose a much better job at staying to its roots and not following trends vs the other titles you mentioned. Load outs was a trend; but it did not comprise the core of the game (Rockets, Snipers ETC were still pickups).

Change is inevitable; but Halo still stays much more in tune with its identity better then any franchise out there.

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> > > > > Sprint makes Halo Halo. Welcome to the new century of gaming. Everything is fast paced
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> > > > Sprint is not required to make something fast paced. Look at the last millenium.
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> > That’s the problem with people like you, that mindset that halo needs to follow modern gameplay standards, modern standards is what created halo 4. We followed other games having loadouts/killstreaks and look how that went. Halo needs to do what works for halo, set their own trends, not what works for cod and battlefield
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> Change is inevitable; but Halo still stays much more in tune with its identity better then any franchise out there.

Loadouts are not halo, halo is an even starts game, reach already pushed it to the limit, that’s one thing that the majority of the community can agree on

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> > > > > > > Amazing to see how many replies this post now has!
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> > > > > > To sprint or not to sprint?
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> > > > Then don’t press the buttons that make your spartan sprint. So freaking simple. Yet there’s still those who wants the sprint to get removed
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> > > Oh dear, you don’t understand how much sprint impacts the game and the maps.
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> > Trust me, after about 5500 games playing Reach, i know the meaning of sprint. Reach was the 1st halo game to introduce sprint
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I will watch it, but is that going to “brainwash” me to dislike sprint in halo? I like sprint in general. That’s the only thing i use in Reach matchmaking.

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> > > > > People are still complaining about sprint? Do people even play the game before they type or are people just mad that they suck at halo now?
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> > > > why should I still play a game on a regular basis that I don’t enjoy? It’s not about sucking or not sucking at it, it’s about enjoying or not enjoying the way a game is beeing played/the game has changed…but seeing how you seem to measure your fun by success, I highly doubt you will understand what it is like to have a passion for something…
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> 1)My sarcasm meter is broken so forgive me, but are you messing with me? You are saying it empowers outplayed players? How if you are getting destroyed by someone you can make an attempt to get away now, but at a cost. If you see someone running you know that person is either
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> It adds a new element of the game because, although this is my opinion, what makes a halo 5 player good to great is when you realize you are NOT supposed to be sprinting everywhere. I walk around knowing someone may sprint around the corner and i can easily take them out. edit not implying i am great at halo 5 lol
> 2) Map design? I dont understand this at all there have been huge maps in halo forever now with or without sprint are you saying they are now too big so you can sprint around?
> 3)Taking up a button…stretching a bit here
> 4)And you are mad that while sprinting you cant just start blasting people? You are mad at the disadvantage put in to the game to balance it out?
> I dont think any of your points make sense. I do agree that some people like slower gameplay for FPS in general and so do i. I played a ton of halo 2 and i wish i could still play it wink wink 343 please fix MCC but for a AAA halo game to come out as slow as halo 2 or 3 i think would be insane. When i attempt to go back and play older halos i cant believe how slow they actually were. I do think 343 is missing on a huge opportunity to make an old school playlist with no abilities or sprint i think that would be fun, but i also dont believe sprint ruins halo 5 i think peoples nostalgia is ruining it for them.

1: If I regard a battle as lost, I can choose to keep fighting or force my opponent to choose three things.
A: Damage over speed: The opponent can keep doing damage but I will get more distance to the opponent, that’s my advantage.
B: Speed over damage: The opponent can choosr to keep up and not lose distance, but will not be able to do damage to me which buys me more time, my advantage.
C: Do nothing: Opponents can choose to just let me go, my advantage.

2: See any really small maps, developer made? Seen the elaboration made in the Open letter to i343?

3: Yes, taking up a button that could be for something else. The controller is getting crowded.

4: So you missed what I said about liking something based on balance vs effect? Apparently.
Which reminds me, I forgot that I dislike that my shields do not start to recharge when I’m sprinting.

And before you take another go at making me look bad by asking if I’m “mad” about balances implemented on sprint because you have yet to acknowledge understanding the basic conceot of liking something for what it is vs how balanced it is. I fully understand why there are balances in place to keep sprint in check, I understand and support that shields do not recharge. That does not mean I have to like the balancing mechanic or the mechanic it tries to balance.

I do not see the point in lowering my weapon and making it inaccesible while navigating the map to my fullest in a game where I’m supposed to shoot people dead.

If you don’t then you simply do not, I didn’t elaborate anything because I stated why I dislike it, I didn’t make points. Now if you after this do not then you just do not, in my opinion not my problem, because I’m starting to think you don’t fail at understanding, you just do not want to.

Okay, the “slow gameplay”. It has been stated again and again, sprint is not a requiremnt for fast gameplay pacing.

Second, wanting sprint removed is no indication of wanting a Halo OG remake for a new Halo game.

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> > > > > > NO SPRINT!
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> > > > > Then don’t press the buttons that make your spartan sprint. So freaking simple. Yet there’s still those who wants the sprint to get removed
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> > > > Oh dear, you don’t understand how much sprint impacts the game and the maps.
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> > > Trust me, after about 5500 games playing Reach, i know the meaning of sprint. Reach was the 1st halo game to introduce sprint
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> I will watch it, but is that going to “brainwash” me to dislike sprint in halo? I like sprint in general. That’s the only thing i use in Reach matchmaking.

Not supposed to brainwash you. Hopefully it will give you a little insight to what others think about sprint in Halo.

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> H5 is popular because of sprint?? I SAID THAT IT’S FAST PACED. I NEVER MENTIONED, THAT IT IS POPULAR BECAUSE OF SPRINT.

You implied that it was in your post. As a counterpoint to saying a ‘slow’ Halo (meaning a sprintless Halo) would hardly bring in new members, you said “H5 is pretty fast paced with sprint and now it’s more popular than H3 when it comes to daily players”. So basically, a Halo with sprint is making it popular because sprint is making the game fast paced which is attracting people.

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So correct me if I’m wrong, if we were to get a game that’s a remake of say an old Quake pre-dating 2000, the game would be slow today because it doesn’t have sprint? Doesn’t matter its popularity, just the pacing question.

So, is sprint required to make games fasg paced in the 21st century? Or is it just a gaming trend?

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> > H5 is popular because of sprint?? I SAID THAT IT’S FAST PACED. I NEVER MENTIONED, THAT IT IS POPULAR BECAUSE OF SPRINT.
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> You implied that it was in your post. As a counterpoint to saying a ‘slow’ Halo (meaning a sprintless Halo) would hardly bring in new members, you said “H5 is pretty fast paced with sprint and now it’s more popular than H3 when it comes to daily players”. So basically, a Halo with sprint is making it popular because sprint is making the game fast paced which is attracting people.

Since you opened your answer, i think i did wrote that. i guess i just prefer halo games made in 2010 or later more than before 2010

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Hey Jartzanator, I think it would do a lot of good for you to take a read through this very long thread. Just about every single thing you’ve said so far is wrong and has been addressed already. If you’re willing to learn, take a read.

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> > > > Sprint makes Halo Halo. Welcome to the new century of gaming. Everything is fast paced
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> So correct me if I’m wrong, if we were to get a game that’s a remake of say an old Quake pre-dating 2000, the game would be slow today because it doesn’t have sprint? Doesn’t matter its popularity, just the pacing question.
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> So, is sprint required to make games fasg paced in the 21st century? Or is it just a gaming trend?

Sorry, meant to say current FPS games, not just games. And what does a remake of an lengendary FPS game have anything to do with todays FPS? Remake is basically just a remake with updated graphics.

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The way I see it is sprint was introduced in 2010 and a large amount of the community are still upset with the mechanic. I don’t see how it isn’t a problem objectively speaking.

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> Hey Jartzanator, I think it would do a lot of good for you to take a read through this very long thread. Just about every single thing you’ve said so far is wrong and has been addressed already. If you’re willing to learn, take a read.

It’s just an opinion, what i will defend. And is that so odd to have similiar opinions about things with others?

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> Sorry, meant to say current FPS games, not just games. And what does a remake of an lengendary FPS game have anything to do with todays FPS? Remake is basically just a remake with updated graphics.

The question is simple.
Is sprint required to make a game fast paced?

I really can’t make it more simple than that.

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> > > > > > Sprint makes Halo Halo. Welcome to the new century of gaming. Everything is fast paced
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> > > > > Sprint is not required to make something fast paced. Look at the last millenium.
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> > > > This is the 21st century . Sprint or running in general makes todays games fast paced. Stop living in the past, kid
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> > > So correct me if I’m wrong, if we were to get a game that’s a remake of say an old Quake pre-dating 2000, the game would be slow today because it doesn’t have sprint? Doesn’t matter its popularity, just the pacing question.
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> Is sprint required to make a game fast paced?
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For me , yes. Because i’m part of the “new” generation of spartans. Spartan III , to be precise. I can’t see the “fast pace” in halo 3. I’ve played 21 games of H3 multiplayer.

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> It’s just an opinion, what i will defend.

Most of what you said were not opinions. They were misconceptions, misunderstandings and false information.