The sprint discussion thread

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This is the 21st century . Sprint or running in general makes todays games fast paced. Stop living in the past, kid

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> > So I guess it was just my imagination when I was playing BTB in the original Halos?
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> BTB maps in other games were 1/4 the size of current warzone maps

Let’s bring this back to the ce btb maps that were all as big if not bigger than warzone maps. 343 even acknowledged apex 7 being a remake of death island from ce and even with having sprint halo 5s version is still smaller

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> > It doesn’t make much sense for spartans to not sprint. I mean in all the books I’ve read they sprint. I meam come on, they’re super soldiers. XD the problem here isn’t sprint, its map design, maps should be bigger granted. But when you literally have superhuman strength then why Shouldn’t you be able to run. XD looking back to all the other halo, master chief did it, but never in game. Watch the clips of halo 2 and he doesn’t a lot. So the problem really comes down to map design more than sprint. As sprint being the problem makes no sense XD
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> They can also shoot while sprinting in all of those books

Halo 6 my friend :wink: no but in all fairness we are playing as spartan 4’s in most books we follow spartan 2’s or 3’s with much better training and better array of gear compared to that of 4’s as why locke is warned of these spartans at the begining of h5

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> > > > > > As long as everybody can sprint, then it doesn’t make a difference if there are two movement speeds, because if sprint didn’t exist, everyone would still be walking at the same relative speed. And besides, it wouldn’t be logical to remove it anyways because that is just another inconsistency that 343 would be making. Cough cough removing smg in halo 4 removing concussion rifle and sticky detonator from halo 5 cough cough
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> > > > > Inconsistency don’t even matter to 343/bungie anymore, it never did. if you think those were bad then explain the foreward into dawn being A COMPLETELY DIFFRENT CLASS OF SHIP in halo 4 and now having weapons like the saw onboard. Where did the ce fuel rod go, why do ce and first strike directly disagree with each other. Why do the fall of reach and halo reach have completely diffrent story’s. They have always put gameplay over lore and consistancy, why would that stop now?
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> > > > Actually Halo CE and First Strike are pretty consistent. As First Strike is after CE and we don’t know a lot about what happened to the marines on Installation 04 from the game. We only know that from the
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> > > > > > Removing sprint would be a step backwards. Doing it would not make the game faster and it would not make the game slower.
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> > > > > > Play speed is average player movement speed RELATIVE to the map size. If average player speed is say doubled from halo two and map size is doubled than the pace of the game will remain the same. Developers will adjust this relativity by adjusting these mechanics through relevant statistics.
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> > > > > > What sprint actually does to the game is it diversifies the ranges at which battles are fought and enables a diversification in the functionality of weapons.
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> > > > > No it Dosent, it elongates maps, breaks the goldeng traingle and ruins flow, large maps with teleporters and man cannons make the game fast, large maps with sprint don’t
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> > > > “breaks the Golden triangle”… Dude that only mattered in 2004, 2007, and maybe 2010 when there wasn’t a proper sprint mechanic out in.
> > > > Times have changed, the military doesn’t use cannon balls and muskets anymore. So halo has sprint, get over it. The “Golden Triangle” was/is a great thing. And it’s still useable with sprint. The only thing sprint and Halo 5’s new movement stuff does is put the triangle on a spinner and allows the player to spin it around to speed the game up and change how you engage a situation. Now you can actually jump and run in with a shotgun even when someone is backing up with a BR, which in your perfect halo is a definite death. Now it’s not.
> > > > Or sprint turns the triangle into a diamond that you do. Either way it opens up combat more. It’s not as static as it used to be.
> > > > It’d be better if sprint could recharge shields to and health packs where back too.
> > > > “ruins flow” it creates new flow. A different one. Different one that you and some other people aren’t used to, or used to in a Halo game.
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> > > > Bring health packs back, it makes the game better and harder!!
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> > > > I’m going to continue to say that until 343 puts health packs back in the game.
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> > First off, which modern games, or fps’ are removing sprint? Other than DOOM, which has such a high movement speed anyways that sprint isn’t a big deal. Not to mention how the games combat works which is more about guns guns guns guns guns and big -Yoinking!- guns.
> > And actually bungie didnt remove sprint from h2 because it broke the core gameplay. They removed it because their engine and the xbox’s power didn’t allow sprint and their gameplay to work they way they wanted it. And Joesph Staten Amd Jason Jones have openly said that not getting it to work properly was one of the biggest mistakes they made for the series. Also, assassinations, the jetpack, mongoose and a motorcycle with a side var and chaingun(how awesome would that be) were supposed to be in h2. And h3. But bungie didnt have the time, resources or processing power to make them work to their standards.
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> > And I never stated that sprint halo isn’t halo. Never once have I stated that the newer games don’t use the same formula. Halo is about Combat Evolved. It’s in the title of the best and first game of the series. It’s about taking things and reinventing them, or creating new ideas. It hasn’t done that ever.
> > I’ll admit that h4 didn’t do anything tremendously good for the series.
> > But sprint halo still has the Golden triangle. Sprint doesn’t break it, but it does shift it from being what we’re used to. If there’s corner room with 2 or more enemies, you’re still going Gnade>Gun>Melee. Or Gun>Gnade>Gun, etc. You’re not running in just because there’s sprint.
> > And you still move the same as all the other games. It’s this interesting semi 3rd person type of movement, you move more like an action hero and action figure. The way I imagined G. I Joe moved around when I was kid. It still allows for that classic halo type of combat with jumping and aiming. So movement has always been apart of halo’s golden triangle. Now it’s just a bigger part. The movement is one of the only things that makes me still play halo.
> > Is it the exact same formula? No. Is it different? Yes. Sprint isn’t the problem with this series. It’s this social division that is.
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> > And I have been listening to other people, doubt you have. I am well aware that people are arguing for and against it. This is just a stupid argument that is ruining the game and community. It’s so socially divided that nothing that Needs fixing is getting fixed.
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> > Guess what, if it’s in a Halo game… It’s Halo. Not the one you and I grew up with, but it’s still halo. You move and shoot your 1 or 2 precision guns like every other halo game. The first gun you drop is the AR like every other halo game. It’s a Halo game.
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> > But seriously, what games or fps are removing sprint? Battlefield isn’t, CoD isn’t, Destiny isn’t, mass effect isn’t, gears of war isn’t, Skyrim Ultimate isn’t. I have yet to specifically see any new shooter not have a sprint mechanic. Only one is DOOM. And that game is just perfect. More games should have a health system.
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Can you shoot while reloading? Can you shoot while driving a warthog? Can you shoot while spawning? Can you shoot while out of ammo?

Sprint doesnt ruin the triangle. There are always times when some actions are unavailable.

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I was referring to the bolded part below.

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BTB would be considered large scale maps. Anyway, like Naqser said, there are many ways to compensate for bigger maps like vehicles, man cannons or teleporters.

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> > It doesn’t make much sense for spartans to not sprint. I mean in all the books I’ve read they sprint. I meam come on, they’re super soldiers. XD the problem here isn’t sprint, its map design, maps should be bigger granted. But when you literally have superhuman strength then why Shouldn’t you be able to run. XD looking back to all the other halo, master chief did it, but never in game. Watch the clips of halo 2 and he doesn’t a lot. So the problem really comes down to map design more than sprint. As sprint being the problem makes no sense XD
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Just because its in the books, dose not mean it will translate to good, balanced gameplay which Shooting while sprinting does not. People have problems having sprinting because it changes engagements. I’m a sprint supporter, but sprint shooting would change how we as players engage in firefights so much more then before that I think you would see more people leaving then before. Their are not many MP FPS that do that because of what Sprint/shooting translates too: Poor gameplay.

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That’s the problem with people like you, that mindset that halo needs to follow modern gameplay standards, modern standards is what created halo 4. We followed other games having loadouts/killstreaks and look how that went. Halo needs to do what works for halo, set their own trends, not what works for cod and battlefield

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So now it was a huge mistake for bungie for giving the spartans the ability to run? WTF? People would have wanted the sprint eventually. And does the SLOW paced halo bring any new halo fans to our community? Maybe few. Halo 5 is pretty fast paced with sprint and it’s now more popular than Halo 3 when comes to daily active players.

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> > > It doesn’t make much sense for spartans to not sprint. I mean in all the books I’ve read they sprint. I meam come on, they’re super soldiers. XD the problem here isn’t sprint, its map design, maps should be bigger granted. But when you literally have superhuman strength then why Shouldn’t you be able to run. XD looking back to all the other halo, master chief did it, but never in game. Watch the clips of halo 2 and he doesn’t a lot. So the problem really comes down to map design more than sprint. As sprint being the problem makes no sense XD
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So do halo 1,2,3 reach when you don’t have the aa and doom all have bad gameplay. Just remove the sprint button and have a constant BMS slightly lower than h5 sprint where you never stop shooting and can go fast in all directions and now you have fun, fast paced gameplay with good maps

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And now it’s our fault that players like me actually like the sprint?

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To sprint or not to sprint?

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NO SPRINT!

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> So now it was a huge mistake for bungie for giving the spartans the ability to run? WTF? People would have wanted the sprint eventually. And does the SLOW paced halo bring any new halo fans to our community? Maybe few. Halo 5 is pretty fast paced with sprint and it’s now more popular than Halo 3 when comes to daily active players.

Correction it’s the best SINCE halo 3, halo 3 sat at the #1 spot of the most played list for 2 years and regularly had several hundred thousand players online, halo 5 struggles to stay in the top 10 six months after release. And what makes you think no sprint halo is slow. If sprint gets removed we up the BMS and now have a fun, fast paced game that is easy to have fun and enjoy. You literally got nothing right in that entire paragraph, halo 5 isn’t even close to 3 and you clearly have no idea of how removing sprint would acually play out.

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Then don’t press the buttons that make your spartan sprint. So freaking simple. Yet there’s still those who wants the sprint to get removed

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> > > > > > > As long as everybody can sprint, then it doesn’t make a difference if there are two movement speeds, because if sprint didn’t exist, everyone would still be walking at the same relative speed. And besides, it wouldn’t be logical to remove it anyways because that is just another inconsistency that 343 would be making. Cough cough removing smg in halo 4 removing concussion rifle and sticky detonator from halo 5 cough cough
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> > > > > > > Removing sprint would be a step backwards. Doing it would not make the game faster and it would not make the game slower.
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> > > > > > > Play speed is average player movement speed RELATIVE to the map size. If average player speed is say doubled from halo two and map size is doubled than the pace of the game will remain the same. Developers will adjust this relativity by adjusting these mechanics through relevant statistics.
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> > > > > > > What sprint actually does to the game is it diversifies the ranges at which battles are fought and enables a diversification in the functionality of weapons.
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> > > > > > No it Dosent, it elongates maps, breaks the goldeng traingle and ruins flow, large maps with teleporters and man cannons make the game fast, large maps with sprint don’t
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> > > > > “breaks the Golden triangle”… Dude that only mattered in 2004, 2007, and maybe 2010 when there wasn’t a proper sprint mechanic out in.
> > > > > Times have changed, the military doesn’t use cannon balls and muskets anymore. So halo has sprint, get over it. The “Golden Triangle” was/is a great thing. And it’s still useable with sprint. The only thing sprint and Halo 5’s new movement stuff does is put the triangle on a spinner and allows the player to spin it around to speed the game up and change how you engage a situation. Now you can actually jump and run in with a shotgun even when someone is backing up with a BR, which in your perfect halo is a definite death. Now it’s not.
> > > > > Or sprint turns the triangle into a diamond that you do. Either way it opens up combat more. It’s not as static as it used to be.
> > > > > It’d be better if sprint could recharge shields to and health packs where back too.
> > > > > “ruins flow” it creates new flow. A different one. Different one that you and some other people aren’t used to, or used to in a Halo game.
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> > > > > Bring health packs back, it makes the game better and harder!!
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> > > > > I’m going to continue to say that until 343 puts health packs back in the game.
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> > > First off, which modern games, or fps’ are removing sprint? Other than DOOM, which has such a high movement speed anyways that sprint isn’t a big deal. Not to mention how the games combat works which is more about guns guns guns guns guns and big -Yoinking!- guns.
> > > And actually bungie didnt remove sprint from h2 because it broke the core gameplay. They removed it because their engine and the xbox’s power didn’t allow sprint and their gameplay to work they way they wanted it. And Joesph Staten Amd Jason Jones have openly said that not getting it to work properly was one of the biggest mistakes they made for the series. Also, assassinations, the jetpack, mongoose and a motorcycle with a side var and chaingun(how awesome would that be) were supposed to be in h2. And h3. But bungie didnt have the time, resources or processing power to make them work to their standards.
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> > > And I never stated that sprint halo isn’t halo. Never once have I stated that the newer games don’t use the same formula. Halo is about Combat Evolved. It’s in the title of the best and first game of the series. It’s about taking things and reinventing them, or creating new ideas. It hasn’t done that ever.
> > > I’ll admit that h4 didn’t do anything tremendously good for the series.
> > > But sprint halo still has the Golden triangle. Sprint doesn’t break it, but it does shift it from being what we’re used to. If there’s corner room with 2 or more enemies, you’re still going Gnade>Gun>Melee. Or Gun>Gnade>Gun, etc. You’re not running in just because there’s sprint.
> > > And you still move the same as all the other games. It’s this interesting semi 3rd person type of movement, you move more like an action hero and action figure. The way I imagined G. I Joe moved around when I was kid. It still allows for that classic halo type of combat with jumping and aiming. So movement has always been apart of halo’s golden triangle. Now it’s just a bigger part. The movement is one of the only things that makes me still play halo.
> > > Is it the exact same formula? No. Is it different? Yes. Sprint isn’t the problem with this series. It’s this social division that is.
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> > > And I have been listening to other people, doubt you have. I am well aware that people are arguing for and against it. This is just a stupid argument that is ruining the game and community. It’s so socially divided that nothing that Needs fixing is getting fixed.
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> > > Guess what, if it’s in a Halo game… It’s Halo. Not the one you and I grew up with, but it’s still halo. You move and shoot your 1 or 2 precision guns like every other halo game. The first gun you drop is the AR like every other halo game. It’s a Halo game.
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> > > But seriously, what games or fps are removing sprint? Battlefield isn’t, CoD isn’t, Destiny isn’t, mass effect isn’t, gears of war isn’t, Skyrim Ultimate isn’t. I have yet to specifically see any new shooter not have a sprint mechanic. Only one is DOOM. And that game is just perfect. More games should have a health system.
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> > Doom, overwatch , and csgo all don’t have sprint and are 3 of the most popular fps games out there. Why? Because only twitch games like cod need sprint. All sprint does in games like halo is ruin maps, slow down the game, and yes it does break the golden triangle. At any time I should be able to shoot, throw a grenade, or melee. I can’t do any of those while sprinting. Sprint Dosen’t create a new type of flow, it just slows down the one we have. I’m seriously starting to doubt if you played the games without sprint. And sprint being removed from halo 2 had nothing to do with hardware implications, the code is there they just chose not to use it because it has no positive effects on gameplay
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That’s the thing about the triangle, it’s either easily understood, or you go -Yoink- and don’t get it at all

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> Then don’t press the buttons that make your spartan sprint. So freaking simple. Yet there’s still those who wants the sprint to get removed

Oh dear, you don’t understand how much sprint impacts the game and the maps.

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> > > > Sprint makes Halo Halo. Welcome to the new century of gaming. Everything is fast paced
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> Correction it’s the best SINCE halo 3, halo 3 sat at the #1 spot of the most played list for 2 years and regularly had several hundred thousand players online, halo 5 struggles to stay in the top 10 six months after release. And what makes you think no sprint halo is slow. If sprint gets removed we up the BMS and now have a fun, fast paced game that is easy to have fun and enjoy. You literally got nothing right in that entire paragraph, halo 5 isn’t even close to 3 and you clearly have no idea of how removing sprint would acually play out.

Maybe, but to remove it? Why people find so hard not to use sprint at all? You can play any halo without the need to sprint. You can change the freaking settings in your controller :DDD This is rather dumb fight over sprint. I mean it’s just those “REAL” halo players against the rest of the community

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> > Correction it’s the best SINCE halo 3, halo 3 sat at the #1 spot of the most played list for 2 years and regularly had several hundred thousand players online, halo 5 struggles to stay in the top 10 six months after release. And what makes you think no sprint halo is slow. If sprint gets removed we up the BMS and now have a fun, fast paced game that is easy to have fun and enjoy. You literally got nothing right in that entire paragraph, halo 5 isn’t even close to 3 and you clearly have no idea of how removing sprint would acually play out.
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Now your just acting like an idiot, so if someone Dosent like the gun sounds should the just not shoot

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Bungie admitted that sprinting wasn’t good back in H2.

Maybe a few? How can you even make that type of claim when it hasn’t even been tried yet for the modern Halos? Then you imply that H5 is popular because of sprint. Can you show us some proof that it’s popular because it specifically has sprint? I have a feeling I’ll be waiting for a very long time.

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> Why people find so hard not to use sprint at all? You can play any halo without the need to sprint.

Because the maps/game were built specifically with sprint in mind. If 343 made maps and had settings where you didn’t need to sprint, then I’m sure more people wouldn’t use it.