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> > > > > > I’ve been playing recently halo 5 without sprint and the whole argument of map design is just stupid imo. I only sprint when necessary and when I’m not maps still flow great. Sprint doesn’t make halo into cod (stupidest argument I’ve ever heard because you can apply that to any game with sprint). The thing that can fix this is to have a Legacy section tgat only includes playlist without any Spartan abilities and we still have arena and warzone.
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> > > > > How is the argument of map design stupid? All the issues - and their effects - we brought up on that subject are facts, not opinions. Whether you care about how those facts effect the game may be a different story though.
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> > > > Because it only affected one map, and that’s Truth. The rest I played without sprinting and the maps still flow the same.
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> > > Impossible. Player movement is incredibly important to how maps are designed. They have to be built for sprint because the maps would be flat out broken in how they play if they weren’t. If the changes made to Truth weren’t necessary for sprint, they wouldn’t have been made.
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> > Take a map like the rig. I BARELY sprint on that map and I can still get to the points that I want fast enough by taking the right path. Take rig’s remake molten. Sprinting is a death sentence in that map.
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> What you call “fast enough” and others consider “fast enough” can be totally different. That’s why I don’t care much for the “the played like this and it had this effect on gameplay” arguments. What’s ideal for one person may not be for another. If anything, what you described tells me why sprint has no effect, not why it has a positive effect. At best, that implies is an unnecessary mechanic.
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> Though you touched on another issue with sprint in that no mechanic should be included if it’s a “death sentence”.
I only mentioned one map in that sprint is a death sentence and I’m probably the only one who doesn’t sprint a lot in SWAT. Sprint still has it’s use and I do use it in modes like WZ/WZFF and btb and I like to do this one trick (barley a trick I don’t know what to call it) is that a sprint, slide, jump, and thrust to close in on the enemy in some cases.
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> Sprint is NOT the Issue facing Halo, trust me. Mobility makes the Gameplay faster and more intense.
> The real issue would be- Oh dear… I could sit here all night typing.
> But I think the biggest problems in our newest Halo (H5) would be:
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> - Poor story writing for Campaign
> - Removal and lack of Classic Weapons
> - Limited Armor Customization
> - The Req System (There are hardly any unlockable armor pieces, all randomly bought)
> - Lack of (classic) Gametypes
> - Stale Maps (Too many UNSC Maps, and too many recycled Maps, dont feel unique anymore)
> - No Character development
> - No Splitscreen (Yep I’m gonna be that person. I believe in better Graphics and Splitscreen over framerate)
> - Bugged Theater with limited Features
> - And last but not least, too many Armor, Weapon and Vehicle variants and not enough New/Old ones
I do see those are the main reasons Halo 5 is bad still.
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> > > > > > This thread doesn’t even count for the people who don’t get on Waypoint. Also, the incredibly large Halo population that died out when Sprint was first incorporated. I say remove it, and bring the majority back. I see far more rants about sprint than I do praises. Just look at YouTube. Other than the 343 suck-ups, most YouTubers who give genuine feedback complain about sprint (and other features currently missing form the game).
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> > > > > you see, i have a problem with people stating this.
> > > > > what are you’re sources on this? in the end, you’re basing it on the _vocal majority_but as we know, H5 sold about half a million copies, and i seriously doubt that more
> > > > > than 2 and a half million players are against sprint.
> > > > > keeping this fact in mind, the vocal majority isn’t that huge anymore.
> > > > > so yeah, you’re definitely right with the fact that the vocal majority may be against it,
> > > > > but the real majority simply isn’t against it or does not care.
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> > > > Halo 3… 800,000 active players.
> > > > Halo 5… less than 50,000
> > > > Yeah, the majority is gone. 343 is obviously doing something wrong, and sprint is definitely one of the most debated along with other things of coarse.
> > > > Also, I never said anything about a vocal majority.
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> > > 2007: Xbox dominated the market. Halo 3 was the sequel to, prettymuch, the only option for competitive multiplayer on og xbox.
> > > 2016: Xbox is behind Sony in sales. Halo 5 has a literal -Yoink- ton of competition.
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> > > Sprint isnt the reason sales are down.
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> > 2007 was the cod 4 launch year, the first modern warfare game and still one of the most loved, halo 3 had heavy competition
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> Now Halo 5 had to compete with games like Fallout 4 Battlefield and ect. Back then it was really just CoD, but not on the same scale as today.
You’re only real hitter there is fallout 4.
Halo 3 had oblivion right before it, it had fallout 3 it had gears of war/gears of war 2, Crysis, assassins creed 1 and 2(the best one), mass effect, dragon age etc.
Lots of games that fit multiple genres. So that point is kind of a silly one.
The problem is that sprint and these dumb issues are still issues. People who have left the halo community and want back in are getting washed away with the social division. And that halo hasn’t actually changed too much from Halo 2 and 3 now. Yes you have newer movements, that have been done in every other game and Halo hasn’t put any new spin on them. That’s what. Are halo CE so revolutionary, it took multiple ideas and concepts from. Multiple games and mixed and matched them and spun them into something amazing. Halo/343 has yet to do anything like that. It’s just: “oh cod has a huge population, and this is in cod…” and we get ground-pound, first person thruster pack that aren’t as good as CoDs. You can shoot while using the thruster in cod. We also got shoulder charge and clamber. But we don’t complain about those… Those aren’t ruining halo at all. But sprint is. The most basic human movement besides walking is running a science fiction/fantasy game.
Or they go: “oh remember halo 2? The fans love halo 2, we need to make it like halo 2.” that’s all they’ve been doing.
Sprint is not the issue, it’s the fact that it’s an issue is the issue.
BRING BACK HEALTH AND HEALTH PACKS!!!
and recharging shields while sprinting. Make thruster pack stop shields from recharging. And get rid of Ground-pound.
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> > Sprint is NOT the Issue facing Halo, trust me. Mobility makes the Gameplay faster and more intense.
> > The real issue would be- Oh dear… I could sit here all night typing.
> > But I think the biggest problems in our newest Halo (H5) would be:
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> > - Poor story writing for Campaign
> > - Removal and lack of Classic Weapons
> > - Limited Armor Customization
> > - The Req System (There are hardly any unlockable armor pieces, all randomly bought)
> > - Lack of (classic) Gametypes
> > - Stale Maps (Too many UNSC Maps, and too many recycled Maps, dont feel unique anymore)
> > - No Character development
> > - No Splitscreen (Yep I’m gonna be that person. I believe in better Graphics and Splitscreen over framerate)
> > - Bugged Theater with limited Features
> > - And last but not least, too many Armor, Weapon and Vehicle variants and not enough New/Old ones
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> I do see those are the main reasons Halo 5 is bad still.
There are many other reasons, and those reasons go more in depth. But as I mentioned above, I’d sit here all Night Haha. 
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> > > > > > > I’ve been playing recently halo 5 without sprint and the whole argument of map design is just stupid imo. I only sprint when necessary and when I’m not maps still flow great. Sprint doesn’t make halo into cod (stupidest argument I’ve ever heard because you can apply that to any game with sprint). The thing that can fix this is to have a Legacy section tgat only includes playlist without any Spartan abilities and we still have arena and warzone.
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> > > > > > How is the argument of map design stupid? All the issues - and their effects - we brought up on that subject are facts, not opinions. Whether you care about how those facts effect the game may be a different story though.
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> > > > > Because it only affected one map, and that’s Truth. The rest I played without sprinting and the maps still flow the same.
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> > > > Impossible. Player movement is incredibly important to how maps are designed. They have to be built for sprint because the maps would be flat out broken in how they play if they weren’t. If the changes made to Truth weren’t necessary for sprint, they wouldn’t have been made.
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> > > Take a map like the rig. I BARELY sprint on that map and I can still get to the points that I want fast enough by taking the right path. Take rig’s remake molten. Sprinting is a death sentence in that map.
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> > What you call “fast enough” and others consider “fast enough” can be totally different. That’s why I don’t care much for the “the played like this and it had this effect on gameplay” arguments. What’s ideal for one person may not be for another. If anything, what you described tells me why sprint has no effect, not why it has a positive effect. At best, that implies is an unnecessary mechanic.
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> > Though you touched on another issue with sprint in that no mechanic should be included if it’s a “death sentence”.
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> I only mentioned one map in that sprint is a death sentence and I’m probably the only one who doesn’t sprint a lot in SWAT. Sprint still has it’s use and I do use it in modes like WZ/WZFF and btb and I like to do this one trick (barley a trick I don’t know what to call it) is that a sprint, slide, jump, and thrust to close in on the enemy in some cases.
It should never be a death sentence.
You don’t need sprint to slide, jump and thrust to close in on enemies. If they removed sprint, they could still allow you to do that.
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> I agree
If you agree then explain why you agree that sprint needs to be removed.
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Do not spam and explain why it should stay or be removed.
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Brooooo
sprint suits this game beautifully well and i expect the same in the next game
Adding then removing constantly is just gonna screw stuff up
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> Brooooo
> sprint suits this game beautifully well and i expect the same in the next game
> Adding then removing constantly is just gonna screw stuff up
Well lets see, Duelwielding was in Halo 2 then got removed when Reach came. Armor abilities came to Reach then got removed in 5 with Spartan abilities. DO YOU see the pattern, abilities like these get removed so sprint will be no different.
I guess that can go either way. I feel that sprint allows for bigger maps because sprinting allows more traversal. If there was no sprint, there would be smaller maps. I would be ok with it either way.
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> > > > > > > > I’ve been playing recently halo 5 without sprint and the whole argument of map design is just stupid imo. I only sprint when necessary and when I’m not maps still flow great. Sprint doesn’t make halo into cod (stupidest argument I’ve ever heard because you can apply that to any game with sprint). The thing that can fix this is to have a Legacy section tgat only includes playlist without any Spartan abilities and we still have arena and warzone.
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How is the argument of map design stupid? All the issues - and their effects - we brought up on that subject are facts, not opinions. Whether you care about how those facts effect the game may be a different story though.
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> > > > > > Because it only affected one map, and that’s Truth. The rest I played without sprinting and the maps still flow the same.
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> > > > > Impossible. Player movement is incredibly important to how maps are designed. They have to be built for sprint because the maps would be flat out broken in how they play if they weren’t. If the changes made to Truth weren’t necessary for sprint, they wouldn’t have been made.
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> > > > Take a map like the rig. I BARELY sprint on that map and I can still get to the points that I want fast enough by taking the right path. Take rig’s remake molten. Sprinting is a death sentence in that map.
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> > >
> > > What you call “fast enough” and others consider “fast enough” can be totally different. That’s why I don’t care much for the “the played like this and it had this effect on gameplay” arguments. What’s ideal for one person may not be for another. If anything, what you described tells me why sprint has no effect, not why it has a positive effect. At best, that implies is an unnecessary mechanic.
> > >
> > > Though you touched on another issue with sprint in that no mechanic should be included if it’s a “death sentence”.
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> >
> > I only mentioned one map in that sprint is a death sentence and I’m probably the only one who doesn’t sprint a lot in SWAT. Sprint still has it’s use and I do use it in modes like WZ/WZFF and btb and I like to do this one trick (barley a trick I don’t know what to call it) is that a sprint, slide, jump, and thrust to close in on the enemy in some cases.
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> It should never be a death sentence.
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> You don’t need sprint to slide, jump and thrust to close in on enemies. If they removed sprint, they could still allow you to do that.
well crap don’t know how to counter that as you brought up a very good point. There are still situations in were sprint is needed but I can’t think about it ftm 'cause I’m lazy and not in my house to do some testing. So let’s just say that sprint still doesn’t make it feel like cod. Now THAT is a stupid argument.
No sprint means better maps
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> > > > > > > > I’ve been playing recently halo 5 without sprint and the whole argument of map design is just stupid imo. I only sprint when necessary and when I’m not maps still flow great. Sprint doesn’t make halo into cod (stupidest argument I’ve ever heard because you can apply that to any game with sprint). The thing that can fix this is to have a Legacy section tgat only includes playlist without any Spartan abilities and we still have arena and warzone.
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How is the argument of map design stupid? All the issues - and their effects - we brought up on that subject are facts, not opinions. Whether you care about how those facts effect the game may be a different story though.
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> > > > > > Because it only affected one map, and that’s Truth. The rest I played without sprinting and the maps still flow the same.
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> > > > >
> > > > > Impossible. Player movement is incredibly important to how maps are designed. They have to be built for sprint because the maps would be flat out broken in how they play if they weren’t. If the changes made to Truth weren’t necessary for sprint, they wouldn’t have been made.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Take a map like the rig. I BARELY sprint on that map and I can still get to the points that I want fast enough by taking the right path. Take rig’s remake molten. Sprinting is a death sentence in that map.
> > >
> > >
> > > What you call “fast enough” and others consider “fast enough” can be totally different. That’s why I don’t care much for the “the played like this and it had this effect on gameplay” arguments. What’s ideal for one person may not be for another. If anything, what you described tells me why sprint has no effect, not why it has a positive effect. At best, that implies is an unnecessary mechanic.
> > >
> > > Though you touched on another issue with sprint in that no mechanic should be included if it’s a “death sentence”.
> >
> >
> > I only mentioned one map in that sprint is a death sentence and I’m probably the only one who doesn’t sprint a lot in SWAT. Sprint still has it’s use and I do use it in modes like WZ/WZFF and btb and I like to do this one trick (barley a trick I don’t know what to call it) is that a sprint, slide, jump, and thrust to close in on the enemy in some cases.
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> It should never be a death sentence.
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> You don’t need sprint to slide, jump and thrust to close in on enemies. If they removed sprint, they could still allow you to do that.
A light jog with hardly any fast forward momentum allows you to slide… That’ll be the shortest tactical slide I’ve ever seen or done. I can see jump and thrust. But not slide. Nor could I see you being able to do all the movements at once they way this guys does them so fluidly.
Sprints not the problem. Sprinting should be allowed to recharge shields. Bring in health packs and health. That’ll help a lot already.
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> > > Do not spam and explain why it should stay oe removed.
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> > Brooooo
> > sprint suits this game beautifully well and i expect the same in the next game
> > Adding then removing constantly is just gonna screw stuff up
>
>
> Well lets see, Duelwielding was in Halo 2 then got removed when Reach came. Armor abilities came to Reach then got removed in 5 with Spartan abilities. DO YOU see the pattern, abilities like these get removed so sprint will be no different.
Yes, yes. I see what they do. They take out everything good and fun and interesting that could change the game and make it challenging because it takes too long to balance things out and make them work and people complain too much because it’s different.
Sprint should’ve been in reach straight up with armour abilities.
You do realize that Spartan Abilities are pretty much just armour abilities.
I don’t count sprint, clamber and slide “abilities”.
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> No sprint means better maps
And how so?
You can get better maps by hiring a good map designer who builds a map for the game and all its abilities. Not just removing them.
As long as everybody can sprint, then it doesn’t make a difference if there are two movement speeds, because if sprint didn’t exist, everyone would still be walking at the same relative speed. And besides, it wouldn’t be logical to remove it anyways because that is just another inconsistency that 343 would be making. Cough cough removing smg in halo 4 removing concussion rifle and sticky detonator from halo 5 cough cough