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> > > > Take a walk around apex 7 sometime and tell me 1. How fun is it without sprint? 2 how much smaller it is than blood gultch. The reason blood gultch felt so massive is because you moved around it at a snails pace. Add sprint it’s doesn’t seem so large. This argument for stretched maps in halo 5 can be reversed for the big maps in CE.
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> > > > IMO the only reason you take sprint out of the game is to appease those who want halo to stay the same every release with the exceptions of changes to weapons and maps.
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> > > > This is can be much more easily done with a classic playlist. I still think the anti sprint crowd are asking for the wrong thing.
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> > > I find it more fun to engage in battles with NPCs and other players rather than hike around the map.
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> > > Oh right, I need to hike around the map for some reason. Well you can choose spawns, in the cases that you can’t your team is at fault for not having the objectives captured. Then you also have cheap transport vehicles like the mongoose and scout hog.
> > > Not to mention the map was designed for NPCs and a larger amount of players.
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> > > BTB maps also suffer less from map strecthing as thise map usually have other transport methods such as vehicles. Either way, we look at smaller maps. Not to mention that BTB maps have had map assets that transported players quickly such as mancannons and teleporters.
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> > > If that’s your opinion I can tell you that you’re mistaken, just a generalization born from not reading and / or ignoring suggestions made by ASers when there have been suggestions made.
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> > My opinion cannot be wrong. Unless I’m stating a fact. This is an opinion thread where I state my opinion on the topic. The only way I can be wrong is if I’m lying about my opinion.
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> > I’m having a hard time understanding what it is you are saying to me here. I was responding to the current conversation at the time about how halo CE BTB maps were larger than the current warZone maps. I disagree with that statement. Teleporters,man cannons, vehicles etc. I can’t remember a halo CE map the size of apex 7. Not even close.
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> > Also waypoint is a collection of thoughts and opinions. I don’t taker what anyone says here as the final golden word. So if someone stated an opinion on a subject before me it doesn’t mean in ignoring them. I means I don’t entirely agree, as no one else will 100 % agree with me all the time either. I would never expect someone to drop a topic as soon as I gave my invaluable input, why should I do so for you or anyone else?
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> Then you have a bad memory, apex 7 is not a new map. It’s a remake of the silent cartographer/death island, and it’s equal if not smaller in the case of death island
It’s not quite a remake. But a successor to silent cartographer. Yes. But I think it’s much bigger. But you could be very correct (I have been wrong once before, could happen again). I may have to take out the old Xbox and fire up some halo and see for myself . You honestly have me very intrigued now.
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> > > > This thread doesn’t even count for the people who don’t get on Waypoint. Also, the incredibly large Halo population that died out when Sprint was first incorporated. I say remove it, and bring the majority back. I see far more rants about sprint than I do praises. Just look at YouTube. Other than the 343 suck-ups, most YouTubers who give genuine feedback complain about sprint (and other features currently missing form the game).
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> > > you see, i have a problem with people stating this.
> > > what are you’re sources on this? in the end, you’re basing it on the _vocal majority_but as we know, H5 sold about half a million copies, and i seriously doubt that more
> > > than 2 and a half million players are against sprint.
> > > keeping this fact in mind, the vocal majority isn’t that huge anymore.
> > > so yeah, you’re definitely right with the fact that the vocal majority may be against it,
> > > but the real majority simply isn’t against it or does not care.
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> >
> > Halo 3… 800,000 active players.
> > Halo 5… less than 50,000
> > Yeah, the majority is gone. 343 is obviously doing something wrong, and sprint is definitely one of the most debated along with other things of coarse.
> > Also, I never said anything about a vocal majority.
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> 2007: Xbox dominated the market. Halo 3 was the sequel to, prettymuch, the only option for competitive multiplayer on og xbox.
> 2016: Xbox is behind Sony in sales. Halo 5 has a literal -Yoink- ton of competition.
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> Sprint isnt the reason sales are down.
2007 was the cod 4 launch year, the first modern warfare game and still one of the most loved, halo 3 had heavy competition
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> > > > > Take a walk around apex 7 sometime and tell me 1. How fun is it without sprint? 2 how much smaller it is than blood gultch. The reason blood gultch felt so massive is because you moved around it at a snails pace. Add sprint it’s doesn’t seem so large. This argument for stretched maps in halo 5 can be reversed for the big maps in CE.
> > > > >
> > > > > IMO the only reason you take sprint out of the game is to appease those who want halo to stay the same every release with the exceptions of changes to weapons and maps.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is can be much more easily done with a classic playlist. I still think the anti sprint crowd are asking for the wrong thing.
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> > > >
> > > > I find it more fun to engage in battles with NPCs and other players rather than hike around the map.
> > > >
> > > > Oh right, I need to hike around the map for some reason. Well you can choose spawns, in the cases that you can’t your team is at fault for not having the objectives captured. Then you also have cheap transport vehicles like the mongoose and scout hog.
> > > > Not to mention the map was designed for NPCs and a larger amount of players.
> > > >
> > > > BTB maps also suffer less from map strecthing as thise map usually have other transport methods such as vehicles. Either way, we look at smaller maps. Not to mention that BTB maps have had map assets that transported players quickly such as mancannons and teleporters.
> > > >
> > > > If that’s your opinion I can tell you that you’re mistaken, just a generalization born from not reading and / or ignoring suggestions made by ASers when there have been suggestions made.
> > >
> > >
> > > My opinion cannot be wrong. Unless I’m stating a fact. This is an opinion thread where I state my opinion on the topic. The only way I can be wrong is if I’m lying about my opinion.
> > >
> > > I’m having a hard time understanding what it is you are saying to me here. I was responding to the current conversation at the time about how halo CE BTB maps were larger than the current warZone maps. I disagree with that statement. Teleporters,man cannons, vehicles etc. I can’t remember a halo CE map the size of apex 7. Not even close.
> > >
> > > Also waypoint is a collection of thoughts and opinions. I don’t taker what anyone says here as the final golden word. So if someone stated an opinion on a subject before me it doesn’t mean in ignoring them. I means I don’t entirely agree, as no one else will 100 % agree with me all the time either. I would never expect someone to drop a topic as soon as I gave my invaluable input, why should I do so for you or anyone else?
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> > Then you have a bad memory, apex 7 is not a new map. It’s a remake of the silent cartographer/death island, and it’s equal if not smaller in the case of death island
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> It’s not quite a remake. But a successor to silent cartographer. Yes. But I think it’s much bigger. But you could be very correct. I may have to take out the old Xbox and fire up some halo. You honestly have me very intrigued now.
It’s bigger than the campaign version ( if we don’t count the tunnels). But death island(the multiplayer version), had where you could go up on the cliffs where there was an entirely new level of combat separate from the beaches and paths to/the forerunner structure.
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> > > > Take a walk around apex 7 sometime and tell me 1. How fun is it without sprint? 2 how much smaller it is than blood gultch. The reason blood gultch felt so massive is because you moved around it at a snails pace. Add sprint it’s doesn’t seem so large. This argument for stretched maps in halo 5 can be reversed for the big maps in CE.
> > > >
> > > > IMO the only reason you take sprint out of the game is to appease those who want halo to stay the same every release with the exceptions of changes to weapons and maps.
> > > >
> > > > This is can be much more easily done with a classic playlist. I still think the anti sprint crowd are asking for the wrong thing.
> > >
> > >
> > > Blood Gulch wasn’t “massive”, it was just a big map. It didn’t take very long to get around either. Why do people like you act like vehicles, teleporters, or mancannons never existed? I think that’s the problem right there. You don’t know how to play the game because you walk around everywhere for some reason unaware that the jeep next to you moves at a faster speed than you do.
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> > I don’t know how to play the game? Right.
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> > You just go ahead and put a whole bunch of teleporters all over a warzone map where the entire enemy team can req shotguns at level 3. Let me know how that goes.
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> > Teleporters were a total camp fest. Very glad they’re gone. They’re not the answer.
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> That’s right. Man cannons are the more balanced form of fast travel to a point on the map. Not that it matters. You’d be a fool if you never used teleporters in past games because of the possibility of someone camping there. My point remains the same. All of those things existed and made it easy to get around the maps quickly.
Back in 2001 no one really camped, this was literally before Xbox live. That annoying part of the community wasn’t there yet, plus blocking the teleporters added new levels of strategy in ctf by cutting off enemy reinforcements
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> > Mate, you do realize that you can just turn sprint off in the controller settings menu
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> That Dosen’t solve the problem at all
It can make you feel special not having sprint though
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> > > Mate, you do realize that you can just turn sprint off in the controller settings menu
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> > That Dosen’t solve the problem at all
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> It can make you feel special not having sprint though
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> > > I’ve been playing recently halo 5 without sprint and the whole argument of map design is just stupid imo. I only sprint when necessary and when I’m not maps still flow great. Sprint doesn’t make halo into cod (stupidest argument I’ve ever heard because you can apply that to any game with sprint). The thing that can fix this is to have a Legacy section tgat only includes playlist without any Spartan abilities and we still have arena and warzone.
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> > How is the argument of map design stupid? All the issues - and their effects - we brought up on that subject are facts, not opinions. Whether you care about how those facts effect the game may be a different story though.
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> Because it only affected one map, and that’s Truth. The rest I played without sprinting and the maps still flow the same.
Impossible. Player movement is incredibly important to how maps are designed. They have to be built for sprint because the maps would be flat out broken in how they play if they weren’t. If the changes made to Truth weren’t necessary for sprint, they wouldn’t have been made.
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> > They are Spartans, super soldiers. They run fast…
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> Yes but I do agree that they should able to run and shoot at the same time. There Spartans, not Marines.
People have issues with Sprinting already in Halo, add in automatic weapons with that and people’s heads will explode if you can sprint and shoot at the same time. Shooting while sprinting is a terrible idea.
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> > > They are Spartans, super soldiers. They run fast…
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> > Yes but I do agree that they should able to run and shoot at the same time. There Spartans, not Marines.
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> People have issues with Sprinting already in Halo, add in automatic weapons with that and people’s heads will explode if you can sprint and shoot at the same time. Shooting while sprinting is a terrible idea.
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> Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign (yes because who the -Yoink- needs TWO movement speeds in campaign???) and
> arena multiplayer at first I thought a no sprint playlist might be optimal but hear me out. I pretty sure the new spartan abilities (save -Yoinking!- spartan charge) would be GENERALLY accepted in a halo game if they werent accompanied by sprint it would feel more competitive more strategic and would also still be recognizable to the fine tuned experience we got in halo 5. Warzone and customs would be a whole other beast entirely retaining ALL the features that made halo 5 successful would keep warzone great and would also allow more options for custom games, for those people that actually wanted to play in a sprint arena type setting they could actually fire up the in game custom game lobby adjust the filter and be good to go! lets face it, sprint has NO place in competitve halo and to argue that it does would just be absurd. this would allow arena maps to continue to be designed the PROPER way and please the vets and basically everyone whos willing to give it a chance and you wouldnt lose much of your sprint loving audience at all because there would still be sprint in the game it would just take a backseat!
> Thoughts? :3
I swear if I see another baseless argument defending sprint (like the immersion one), or someone saying “I like sprint! It should stay” I’m gonna go Office Space on my computer.
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> > Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign (yes because who the -Yoink- needs TWO movement speeds in campaign???) and
> > arena multiplayer at first I thought a no sprint playlist might be optimal but hear me out. I pretty sure the new spartan abilities (save -Yoinking!- spartan charge) would be GENERALLY accepted in a halo game if they werent accompanied by sprint it would feel more competitive more strategic and would also still be recognizable to the fine tuned experience we got in halo 5. Warzone and customs would be a whole other beast entirely retaining ALL the features that made halo 5 successful would keep warzone great and would also allow more options for custom games, for those people that actually wanted to play in a sprint arena type setting they could actually fire up the in game custom game lobby adjust the filter and be good to go! lets face it, sprint has NO place in competitve halo and to argue that it does would just be absurd. this would allow arena maps to continue to be designed the PROPER way and please the vets and basically everyone whos willing to give it a chance and you wouldnt lose much of your sprint loving audience at all because there would still be sprint in the game it would just take a backseat!
> > Thoughts? :3
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> Well, halo is halo, but not your halo
Well Gandalfur Halo was Classic Halo, the original trilogy.
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> > > > They are Spartans, super soldiers. They run fast…
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> > > Yes but I do agree that they should able to run and shoot at the same time. There Spartans, not Marines.
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> >
> > People have issues with Sprinting already in Halo, add in automatic weapons with that and people’s heads will explode if you can sprint and shoot at the same time. Shooting while sprinting is a terrible idea.
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> Well unless they nerfed the Automatics
at that point, might as well bring back duel wielding while your at it…because the full autos will need that to compete with the BR/DMR etc etc. If your adding sprint shooting, might as well call Halo "Call Of Duty: Infinite Warfare 2.
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> > > > > They are Spartans, super soldiers. They run fast…
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> > > > Yes but I do agree that they should able to run and shoot at the same time. There Spartans, not Marines.
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> > >
> > > People have issues with Sprinting already in Halo, add in automatic weapons with that and people’s heads will explode if you can sprint and shoot at the same time. Shooting while sprinting is a terrible idea.
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> > Well unless they nerfed the Automatics
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> at that point, might as well bring back duel wielding while your at it…because the full autos will need that to compete with the BR/DMR etc etc. If your adding sprint shooting, might as well call Halo "Call Of Duty: Infinite Warfare 2.
I agree, shooting and sprinting is a bad idea, first all, if you were good, that would be too powerful, and be like COD, so this a -Yoinking!- idea
