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> > > I’m so sick of this thread … I enjoy sprint and I have since reach as it was my go to armor ability. I honestly would prefer seperate threads on the topic cause the title alone aggregates me at this point.
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> > Are you going to talk about why sprint is good or are you just gonna complain about the threads title.
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> Yeah just let me repeat what’s already been said and then you can repeat the counter argument and it never ends… So now this thread is joke because more and more people are commenting to remove it or end it.
Yeah pretty much but its the Sprint official mega thread. locking it will make more people to make sprint threads and the Monitors locking them.
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> > More people like sprint than those that don’t.
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> > If anything, I wish they would get rid of walking and only have sprint.
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> I think he’s making a joke. Do you mean up the base speed? OR have your weapon lowered all the time and just run around the map for 15 minutes?
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> More people don’t like sprint, no, the majority that are still playing it don’t hate it or have no problem with it. That ain’t saying much when you see the decline in population and game popularity. I’m not saying Halo 5’s only problem is sprint, it’s just one of the major ones. It’s affected everything from TTK to map design and so many things in between. Halo CE-Halo 3 never felt slow because of map flow, weapons and the gametypes. I still play Halo 3 to this day with friends every couple of weeks on Lan and we have a blast. Some of my friends haven’t ever played it and are mainly CoD players. Not once have they mentioned game speed or need of sprint. The gameplay itself is extremely fast even with the higher TTK.
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> I’d like to add this. Think if CS:go added sprint. And I’m not talking about knife speed. I’m talking about the same way Halo 5 has it and soldier 76 has it: lowering your weapon and having two movement speeds. The game would play completely different and think of what the fans would say. 2016 and they still don’t have sprint in that game. Think that sprint is now and modern, that if they could have added it in 2001 they would have? They always had the option. They chose not to.
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> Also, Halo was never meant to be this super competitive shooter. It’s main focus was it being fun to play: great maps, awesome weapons, different vehicles and so on. When a game is super fun to play, it gains the audience it needs and people get better at it by playing it as time goes on. Then some like to test their skill by playing it competitively against people their on skill level. Take Splatoon for example, it’s extremely fun to play. Now it has people playing it in competitive level and in tournaments. Halo 5 tried too hard to be the most competitive game out there and frankly forgot what was originally so fun in the Halo franchise. I wouldn’t have played 10k Halo 3 matches if it was all about winning and e-sport type gameplay.
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> One of the most important elements of fun and addictive gameplay is (I’ve said this before) lack of randomness. People live and die by their actions and their actions alone. You are as good as your aiming, map knowledge, positioning, timing, power weapon control and movement. Sprint brings randomness to the equation that isn’t controlled by the player that has done nothing wrong and most of the time punishes them. For example people challenge more but evade the fight easily, holding a position is now punished because of the enemy’s ability to get back and try one more time. Helping a teammate that made all the wrong choises and still got saved by sprinting teammates (this adds to the positioning and keeping a map area problem)
Dude great post. I completely agree with you, and really appreciate you putting the time in to make such a detailed and educating post.
Halo has evolved, mostly for The good. Sprint is apart of that good evolution. I think in Halo 6 it should be in most game and game types. But for some it is not needed.
The Dnend Legion
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> Halo has evolved, mostly for The good. Sprint is apart of that good evolution. I think in Halo 6 it should be in most game and game types. But for some it is not needed.
> The Dnend Legion
It’s really unknown if sprint has evolved halo for good cuz halo isn’t close to what it was in many categories. Sprint itself is a hot topic to many, and I’m sure it does ruin many players experience, but I won’t accept it being the reason why 7 million players are gone nor will I accept it as to really evolving halo cuz it really isn’t unique when compared to other sprint mechanics. What would be unique is letting us shoot while sprinting (if you really think about it how many games let you do it? I can’t think of one, but I do know many games where once you shoot you’re dropped out of your sprint animation.) I also don’t see halo evolving well if it launches with a b.s. Lack of gametypes and downgrading in many other areas.
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> If you want a good example of what Halo would feel like with out sprint, pick up a turret and move around with that.
Not an argument, or accurate to say the least. H2 and 3 (110 mlg BMS) outpaces H4 and 5 by miles. Part of it is map design, more symmetrical, less elongated with these silly dead zones.
It’s hard to show those the light when all they’ve seen is the dark abyss were in now. Did you know once we had social playlists separate from competitive playlists? Or a working in game file browser connected to bnet? Mind blowing stuff and it’s just the tip of the iceberg.
On the mechanic, just knowing 343s track record it’s likely they’ll continue to change the formula as is customary with each iteration.
200+ pages on the topic indicates there is a clear issue with the mechanic, how it’s implemented or why it even exists.
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> In the newer age of gaming people like to feel fast and powerful, this is why the sprint and the thruster pack is in the game. I say keep it
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> > Halo has evolved, mostly for The good. Sprint is apart of that good evolution. I think in Halo 6 it should be in most game and game types. But for some it is not needed.
> > The Dnend Legion
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> It’s really unknown if sprint has evolved halo for good cuz halo isn’t close to what it was in many categories. Sprint itself is a hot topic to many, and I’m sure it does ruin many players experience, but I won’t accept it being the reason why 7 million players are gone nor will I accept it as to really evolving halo cuz it really isn’t unique when compared to other sprint mechanics. What would be unique is letting us shoot while sprinting (if you really think about it how many games let you do it? I can’t think of one, but I do know many games where once you shoot you’re dropped out of your sprint animation.) I also don’t see halo evolving well if it launches with a b.s. Lack of gametypes and downgrading in many other areas.
I see a correlation between the attempt to move towards other shooters and a serious drop in halos sales , pop etc…
but a real issue is the unreal lack of fan service:
minimial launch product
Modes ready at launch arriving late
staple playlists absent
in game file share
etc
halo was evolving between 1-R and you can argue 4 with Spartan ops, in terms of a content packed launch product that built off of the previous iteration. It feels like a regression now idk
This seems like a strange argument to be so polarized…the addition of a speed mode seems to increase dynamism in gameplay. It’s also more realistic; Spartans run around a lot. They are extremely fast. MJOLNIR systems have always enhanced speed and agility (hence the new Spartan abilities). Spending the game (campaign or multiplayer) plodding around seems like a weird way to engage in CQC. Why so much derision about Sprinting? Is it because Sprint evolved out of an Armor Ability while other abilities did not (Armor Lock, etc.)? Is it a case of pining after the ‘good old days’ of older Spartan combat?
Times change…things evolve… H5’s Spartans feel more powerful and dynamic than they ever have (minus the cannon fodder they become in Firefight).
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> > > > > > More people like sprint than those that don’t.
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> > > > > > If anything, I wish they would get rid of walking and only have sprint.
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> > > > > Yeah you and the other 20,000 or so people left playing this game love sprint.
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> > > > > Thats why hundreds of thousands have stopped playing this series all together correct?
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> > > > > Pro sprinters are the majority in a pitiful population.
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> > > > > But hey, guess you got to take those victories when you can huh?
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> > > > I just feel bad that people like you who couldn’t adapt to sprint decided to quit and hope Halo 6 doesn’t have sprint or any other new features.
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> > > Dont feel bad for me bro, I have Great memories of good Halo games.
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> > > I feel bad for those people that never got to experience what real Halo is.
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> > H5 has the best multiplayer in the series and I had the first 2 on pc. H2 made massive changes to how the game played and people nearly rioted. The same thing happened with H3 and Reach. You can’t please everyone because there will always be people that can’t deal with change.
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> Yet Halo 2 didnt have a crappy population.
> And Halo 5, which you boldly claim has the best multiplayer in the series couldn’t even sustain a healthy population during its free week, with a discounted sell.
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> Seems like you are misinformed on what people want to play.
People want to play oddball and juggernaut. They want to dual wield and play as an Elite. Don’t forget that WZFF came out at the same time as the free play event and that it’s almost unwinable even to people that have all the reqs. New players were also disappointed at the lack of splitscreen. Warzone itself is basically pay to win. Sprint isn’t what’s driving people away from Halo but you can keep telling yourself that!
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> > > > > > > More people like sprint than those that don’t.
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> > > > > > > If anything, I wish they would get rid of walking and only have sprint.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah you and the other 20,000 or so people left playing this game love sprint.
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> > > > > > Thats why hundreds of thousands have stopped playing this series all together correct?
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> > > > > > Pro sprinters are the majority in a pitiful population.
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> > > > > > But hey, guess you got to take those victories when you can huh?
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> > > > > I just feel bad that people like you who couldn’t adapt to sprint decided to quit and hope Halo 6 doesn’t have sprint or any other new features.
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> > > > Dont feel bad for me bro, I have Great memories of good Halo games.
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> > > > I feel bad for those people that never got to experience what real Halo is.
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> > > H5 has the best multiplayer in the series and I had the first 2 on pc. H2 made massive changes to how the game played and people nearly rioted. The same thing happened with H3 and Reach. You can’t please everyone because there will always be people that can’t deal with change.
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> > Yet Halo 2 didnt have a crappy population.
> > And Halo 5, which you boldly claim has the best multiplayer in the series couldn’t even sustain a healthy population during its free week, with a discounted sell.
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> > Seems like you are misinformed on what people want to play.
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> People want to play oddball and juggernaut. They want to dual wield and play as an Elite. Don’t forget that WZFF came out at the same time as the free play event and that it’s almost unwinable even to people that have all the reqs. New players were also disappointed at the lack of splitscreen. Warzone itself is basically pay to win. Sprint isn’t what’s driving people away from Halo but you can keep telling yourself that!
Oh my lord…
None of what you listed are the main complaints about Halo 5.
Split screen, lack of custom game options, playing as an elite, none of which effect basic gameplay.
If you think bringing playable elites is somehow going to bring hundreds of thousands of people back, you are quite foolish.
But it’s okay, you continue to make excuses for Halos piss poor population, that’s it’s had since Halo Reach.
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> > Id rather keep sprint.
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> Yup…Some of us like to have the option to cross distances quickly.
Which can be accomplished with faster base movement speed/strafe acceleration, maps properly scaled to base movement speed, man canons, lifts, teleporters, vehicles, etc. The notion that a sprint mechanic is in any way necessary for this is just ignorant. No one had a problem with crossing large distances in the older games. Tacking sprint on hasn’t suddenly changed that.
And please stop quoting Nooga’s nonsense. No one cares that you have the same ignorant, poorly reasoned opinion.
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> This seems like a strange argument to be so polarized…the addition of a speed mode seems to increase dynamism in gameplay. It’s also more realistic; Spartans run around a lot. They are extremely fast. MJOLNIR systems have always enhanced speed and agility (hence the new Spartan abilities). Spending the game (campaign or multiplayer) plodding around seems like a weird way to engage in CQC. Why so much derision about Sprinting? Is it because Sprint evolved out of an Armor Ability while other abilities did not (Armor Lock, etc.)? Is it a case of pining after the ‘good old days’ of older Spartan combat?
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> Times change…things evolve… H5’s Spartans feel more powerful and dynamic than they ever have (minus the cannon fodder they become in Firefight).
The realism argument. Again. Realism is not relevant to issues of game balance and even if it was there is no intelligent reason to suggest that the current “sprint” mechanic is any more “realistic” than the movement models present in the real Halo games. But, based on your questions, you seem to be new to this discussion.
It’s not a matter of nostalgia. It’s a matter of wanting mainline games with “Halo” in the title to actually play like Halo games. Sprint is bad for Halo because it creates a separation between movement and combat (much like clamber), limits you to moving at optimal speeds ONLY when you’re facing forward (the same limitation exists for jumps now, courtesy of clamber), creates unnecessary discrepancies in terms of movement speed (made worse by things like thrust + slide), makes running from fights easier by preventing aggressors from moving at the same speed while shooting, results in slow base movement speed to justify itself, and results in stretched out maps to mitigate the speed increase (resulting in no real net gain and slower combat out of sprint). I’ve probably missed some things. It fundamentally and significantly changes how Halo plays for the worse. It results in games that feel extremely different and worse maps designed with it in mind.
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> > > > > > > > More people like sprint than those that don’t.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If anything, I wish they would get rid of walking and only have sprint.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah you and the other 20,000 or so people left playing this game love sprint.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thats why hundreds of thousands have stopped playing this series all together correct?
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> > > > > > > Pro sprinters are the majority in a pitiful population.
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> > > > > > > But hey, guess you got to take those victories when you can huh?
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> > > > > > I just feel bad that people like you who couldn’t adapt to sprint decided to quit and hope Halo 6 doesn’t have sprint or any other new features.
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> > > > > Dont feel bad for me bro, I have Great memories of good Halo games.
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> > > > > I feel bad for those people that never got to experience what real Halo is.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > H5 has the best multiplayer in the series and I had the first 2 on pc. H2 made massive changes to how the game played and people nearly rioted. The same thing happened with H3 and Reach. You can’t please everyone because there will always be people that can’t deal with change.
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> > > Yet Halo 2 didnt have a crappy population.
> > > And Halo 5, which you boldly claim has the best multiplayer in the series couldn’t even sustain a healthy population during its free week, with a discounted sell.
> > >
> > > Seems like you are misinformed on what people want to play.
> >
> >
> > People want to play oddball and juggernaut. They want to dual wield and play as an Elite. Don’t forget that WZFF came out at the same time as the free play event and that it’s almost unwinable even to people that have all the reqs. New players were also disappointed at the lack of splitscreen. Warzone itself is basically pay to win. Sprint isn’t what’s driving people away from Halo but you can keep telling yourself that!
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> Oh my lord…
> None of what you listed are the main complaints about Halo 5.
> Split screen, lack of custom game options, playing as an elite, none of which effect basic gameplay.
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> If you think bringing playable elites is somehow going to bring hundreds of thousands of people back, you are quite foolish.
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> But it’s okay, you continue to make excuses for Halos piss poor population, that’s it’s had since Halo Reach.
I was disappointed by the lack of splitscreen, game modes, custom options, and playlists. But the mechanics were what kept me playing because of how fun and addicting the gameplay was. I stopped playing star wars battlefront less then a month after getting it and I used to play the original 2 non-stop! Their are many things wrong with both Halo and star wars but sprint is not one of them.
