The sprint discussion thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > sprint is here and it might not go away as it might go away…the point is…IT IS WHAT IT IS!!! sprint is available in halo5 and your -Yoinking!-, moaning and whining is not doing jack -Yoink- but making yourself look like a fool for steady staying on this path. LET IT GO and your life will be better, true story…LMAO…
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> > Not an argument. Why is this one mechanic so needed going forward? Could a movement system that enables you to shoot and sprint at the same time be more beneficial and practice, it’s in the lore you must like that argument. Saying lmao in a well reasoned discussion only shows who’s unable to reason or articulate their opinion effectively. After I read this I went to the bathroom and cried…you hurt my feelings. Argue on logic not emotion.
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> Logic? my logic is I will still blow your brains out with or without sprint fool…after all it is game. I let the people who make the games decide what mechanics they want to implement. its up to me to decide if I accept them or not. Me accepting them = me playing the -Yoinking!- game. Me not accepting them = me NOT playing the -Yoinking!- game. Does this logic meet your standards Mister? LMAO…

If you like it you play it if not then you don’t play it. I’m arguing not about whether I like or dislike sprint I’m arguing there are better and more effective ways to implement movement and combat. I can’t spell it out any simpler than that, I’m sorry I don’t speak Walmart. Stay on topic it’s about the implementation and the net positives versus the net negatives it’s not about something as subjective as “liking” a singular mechanic.

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> > > > > I’m part of the original fanbase and I welcome sprint with open arms!
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> > > > Your service record would beg to differ.
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> > > > > You can’t expect H3 every few years because there is an entire generation of gamers that don’t enjoy the old playstyle.
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> > > > >Halo 3 incredibly successful
> > > > >Halo: Reach changed formula a little, still successful
> > > > >“halo” 4 and 5 refuse to use successful formula and do poorly
> > > > Yeah! People hated the old formula even though it was changed unnecessary while successful.
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> > > > > The old Halos I mostly played for the campaigns and only occasionally played mp, but now I love the mp even though I’m not that great.
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> > > > So am I seriously expected to take someone seriously who hasn’t really played the previous multiplayers and is bad at the new one?
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> > > > > The things that made Halo unique are the shields, weapons, and high ttk (except CE because of the 3 shot kill pistol) which are still here!
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> > > > In addition to even starts and the golden triangle:
> > > > Always being able to shoot, melee, and use grenades at all times.
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> > > I have stated multiple times on multiple threads including this one that I had the first 2 Halos on pc. I’m a casual who doesn’t give a -Yoink- what my service record says. Someone’s skill doesn’t determine how much they enjoy a game.
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> > He never said someone’s skill determines how much they enjoy the game.
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> He said he couldn’t take me seriously because I was bad at the game.

That’s not telling you that you can’t enjoy the game.
All he is saying is that since you haven’t played the older games at a competitive level, how can you tell someone who has, that Sprint is perfectly fine and balanced.

No one is saying you can’t enjoy the game, most of the people here enjoy the game.

But we all want Halo to be a great FPS again, and it hasn’t been a great FPS is a good while now.

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> The removal of anyone who wants to take away sprint from first person shooters in the year 2016 will make Halo better, and by better I mean stop complaining when 343 re-mastered almost every Halo with the Masterchief Collection. Guess what…they are online, go play them.

Yeah it works too and extremely fun.

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No sprint

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> > > > sprint is here and it might not go away as it might go away…the point is…IT IS WHAT IT IS!!! sprint is available in halo5 and your -Yoinking!-, moaning and whining is not doing jack -Yoink- but making yourself look like a fool for steady staying on this path. LET IT GO and your life will be better, true story…LMAO…
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> > > Not an argument. Why is this one mechanic so needed going forward? Could a movement system that enables you to shoot and sprint at the same time be more beneficial and practice, it’s in the lore you must like that argument. Saying lmao in a well reasoned discussion only shows who’s unable to reason or articulate their opinion effectively. After I read this I went to the bathroom and cried…you hurt my feelings. Argue on logic not emotion.
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> > Logic? my logic is I will still blow your brains out with or without sprint fool…after all it is game. I let the people who make the games decide what mechanics they want to implement. its up to me to decide if I accept them or not. Me accepting them = me playing the -Yoinking!- game. Me not accepting them = me NOT playing the -Yoinking!- game. Does this logic meet your standards Mister? LMAO…
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> If you like it you play it if not then you don’t play it. I’m arguing not about whether I like or dislike sprint I’m arguing there t see are better and more effective ways to implement movement and combat. I can’t spell it out any simpler than that, I’m sorry I don’t speak Walmart. Stay on topic it’s about the implementation and the net positives versus the net negatives it’s not about something as subjective as “liking” a singular mechanic.

I just see a lot of words and no substance either from you lolol.

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> > > > sprint is here and it might not go away as it might go away…the point is…IT IS WHAT IT IS!!! sprint is available in halo5 and your -Yoinking!-, moaning and whining is not doing jack -Yoink- but making yourself look like a fool for steady staying on this path. LET IT GO and your life will be better, true story…LMAO…
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> > > Not an argument. Why is this one mechanic so needed going forward? Could a movement system that enables you to shoot and sprint at the same time be more beneficial and practice, it’s in the lore you must like that argument. Saying lmao in a well reasoned discussion only shows who’s unable to reason or articulate their opinion effectively. After I read this I went to the bathroom and cried…you hurt my feelings. Argue on logic not emotion.
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> > Logic? my logic is I will still blow your brains out with or without sprint fool…after all it is game. I let the people who make the games decide what mechanics they want to implement. its up to me to decide if I accept them or not. Me accepting them = me playing the -Yoinking!- game. Me not accepting them = me NOT playing the -Yoinking!- game. Does this logic meet your standards Mister? LMAO…
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> If you like it you play it if not then you don’t play it. I’m arguing not about whether I like or dislike sprint I’m arguing there are better and more effective ways to implement movement and combat. I can’t spell it out any simpler than that, I’m sorry I don’t speak Walmart. Stay on topic it’s about the implementation and the net positives versus the net negatives it’s not about something as subjective as “liking” a singular mechanic.

Everything you are saying is known already there is nothing new you can add to this BS. You might as well copy and paste from here on out homie.oh by the waya Wlamart has the lowest prices and you cant beat it. I do 50/50 Target and Walmart get there freak…LMAO…

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> > > > > sprint is here and it might not go away as it might go away…the point is…IT IS WHAT IT IS!!! sprint is available in halo5 and your -Yoinking!-, moaning and whining is not doing jack -Yoink- but making yourself look like a fool for steady staying on this path. LET IT GO and your life will be better, true story…LMAO…
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> > > > Not an argument. Why is this one mechanic so needed going forward? Could a movement system that enables you to shoot and sprint at the same time be more beneficial and practice, it’s in the lore you must like that argument. Saying lmao in a well reasoned discussion only shows who’s unable to reason or articulate their opinion effectively. After I read this I went to the bathroom and cried…you hurt my feelings. Argue on logic not emotion.
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> > > Logic? my logic is I will still blow your brains out with or without sprint fool…after all it is game. I let the people who make the games decide what mechanics they want to implement. its up to me to decide if I accept them or not. Me accepting them = me playing the -Yoinking!- game. Me not accepting them = me NOT playing the -Yoinking!- game. Does this logic meet your standards Mister? LMAO…
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> > If you like it you play it if not then you don’t play it. I’m arguing not about whether I like or dislike sprint I’m arguing there are better and more effective ways to implement movement and combat. I can’t spell it out any simpler than that, I’m sorry I don’t speak Walmart. Stay on topic it’s about the implementation and the net positives versus the net negatives it’s not about something as subjective as “liking” a singular mechanic.
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> Everything you are saying is known already there is nothing new you can add to this BS. You might as well copy and paste from here on out homie.oh by the waya Wlamart has the lowest prices and you cant beat it. I do 50/50 Target and Walmart get there freak…LMAO…

So you have no reason why to continue to include said mechanic after all that? Shocking

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> > > > > > sprint is here and it might not go away as it might go away…the point is…IT IS WHAT IT IS!!! sprint is available in halo5 and your -Yoinking!-, moaning and whining is not doing jack -Yoink- but making yourself look like a fool for steady staying on this path. LET IT GO and your life will be better, true story…LMAO…
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> > > > > Not an argument. Why is this one mechanic so needed going forward? Could a movement system that enables you to shoot and sprint at the same time be more beneficial and practice, it’s in the lore you must like that argument. Saying lmao in a well reasoned discussion only shows who’s unable to reason or articulate their opinion effectively. After I read this I went to the bathroom and cried…you hurt my feelings. Argue on logic not emotion.
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> > > > Logic? my logic is I will still blow your brains out with or without sprint fool…after all it is game. I let the people who make the games decide what mechanics they want to implement. its up to me to decide if I accept them or not. Me accepting them = me playing the -Yoinking!- game. Me not accepting them = me NOT playing the -Yoinking!- game. Does this logic meet your standards Mister? LMAO…
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> > > If you like it you play it if not then you don’t play it. I’m arguing not about whether I like or dislike sprint I’m arguing there are better and more effective ways to implement movement and combat. I can’t spell it out any simpler than that, I’m sorry I don’t speak Walmart. Stay on topic it’s about the implementation and the net positives versus the net negatives it’s not about something as subjective as “liking” a singular mechanic.
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> > Everything you are saying is known already there is nothing new you can add to this BS. You might as well copy and paste from here on out homie.oh by the waya Wlamart has the lowest prices and you cant beat it. I do 50/50 Target and Walmart get there freak…LMAO…
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> So you have no reason why to continue to include said mechanic after all that? Shocking

I still haven’t seen you offer an argument for the mechanics you want to implement. just telling him that he isn’t arguing logically. that’s about all you have written. So not sure what the difference is here. And please provide something with details and meat on the bones and not something that has been argued to death already by someone else wanting to do away with sprint. We are all waiting.

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I rarely sprint anyways, I just walk most of the time in arena. Just make classic playlists in H6

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> > > > > > sprint is here and it might not go away as it might go away…the point is…IT IS WHAT IT IS!!! sprint is available in halo5 and your -Yoinking!-, moaning and whining is not doing jack -Yoink- but making yourself look like a fool for steady staying on this path. LET IT GO and your life will be better, true story…LMAO…
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> > > > > Not an argument. Why is this one mechanic so needed going forward? Could a movement system that enables you to shoot and sprint at the same time be more beneficial and practice, it’s in the lore you must like that argument. Saying lmao in a well reasoned discussion only shows who’s unable to reason or articulate their opinion effectively. After I read this I went to the bathroom and cried…you hurt my feelings. Argue on logic not emotion.
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> > > > Logic? my logic is I will still blow your brains out with or without sprint fool…after all it is game. I let the people who make the games decide what mechanics they want to implement. its up to me to decide if I accept them or not. Me accepting them = me playing the -Yoinking!- game. Me not accepting them = me NOT playing the -Yoinking!- game. Does this logic meet your standards Mister? LMAO…
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> > > If you like it you play it if not then you don’t play it. I’m arguing not about whether I like or dislike sprint I’m arguing there are better and more effective ways to implement movement and combat. I can’t spell it out any simpler than that, I’m sorry I don’t speak Walmart. Stay on topic it’s about the implementation and the net positives versus the net negatives it’s not about something as subjective as “liking” a singular mechanic.
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> > Everything you are saying is known already there is nothing new you can add to this BS. You might as well copy and paste from here on out homie.oh by the waya Wlamart has the lowest prices and you cant beat it. I do 50/50 Target and Walmart get there freak…LMAO…
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correct real shocking…in matter fact END OF THE WORLD!!! shocking…

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> > > > > > > sprint is here and it might not go away as it might go away…the point is…IT IS WHAT IT IS!!! sprint is available in halo5 and your -Yoinking!-, moaning and whining is not doing jack -Yoink- but making yourself look like a fool for steady staying on this path. LET IT GO and your life will be better, true story…LMAO…
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> > > > > > Not an argument. Why is this one mechanic so needed going forward? Could a movement system that enables you to shoot and sprint at the same time be more beneficial and practice, it’s in the lore you must like that argument. Saying lmao in a well reasoned discussion only shows who’s unable to reason or articulate their opinion effectively. After I read this I went to the bathroom and cried…you hurt my feelings. Argue on logic not emotion.
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> > > > > Logic? my logic is I will still blow your brains out with or without sprint fool…after all it is game. I let the people who make the games decide what mechanics they want to implement. its up to me to decide if I accept them or not. Me accepting them = me playing the -Yoinking!- game. Me not accepting them = me NOT playing the -Yoinking!- game. Does this logic meet your standards Mister? LMAO…
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> > > > If you like it you play it if not then you don’t play it. I’m arguing not about whether I like or dislike sprint I’m arguing there are better and more effective ways to implement movement and combat. I can’t spell it out any simpler than that, I’m sorry I don’t speak Walmart. Stay on topic it’s about the implementation and the net positives versus the net negatives it’s not about something as subjective as “liking” a singular mechanic.
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> > > Everything you are saying is known already there is nothing new you can add to this BS. You might as well copy and paste from here on out homie.oh by the waya Wlamart has the lowest prices and you cant beat it. I do 50/50 Target and Walmart get there freak…LMAO…
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> > So you have no reason why to continue to include said mechanic after all that? Shocking
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> I still haven’t seen you offer an argument for the mechanics you want to implement. just telling him that he isn’t arguing logically. that’s about all you have written. So not sure what the difference is here. And please provide something with details and meat on the bones and not something that has been argued to death already by someone else wanting to do away with sprint. We are all waiting.

I can understand for once reading every page would be a pain so sure here is the simplified reasons with respect to gameplay. If you want me to do an economic evaluation I could put that out so long as 343 enables us to see the data on 5, but I can work with reach and some of 4s info.

  • Sprint influences map design by pushing developers to make larger maps, which is inappropriate for Halo’s core gameplay
  • It creates a large area of “no man’s land” on a map where nobody is actually expected to have a gunfight
  • It also creates areas that are just segues into different parts of the map, e.g. the hallways on Adrift - those are not ideal fighting locations (see Chill Out for proper map-making inspiration)
  • Sprint deconstructs the spawning system because players are able to get back in the battle too quickly, especially with a straight-shooting weapon like the DMR and lots of open spaces
  • Sprint ruins map geometry by creating gaps that can only be traversed with sprint-powered jumps; jumping and shooting is kind of important in Halo
  • Most significantly, it causes the Spartan to lower their weapon - at no point in a Halo game should a person be unable to shoot their gun unless they’re holding the objective
  • It downplays the vertical aspect of Halo hugely, creating maps that are horizontally gigantic but vertically insignificant
  • People can sprint off-spawn to finish a weakened player which lowers the punishment for dying and makes trading kills more prevalent.
  • It’s a get out of jail free card. People can run away easily and hide, which slows down game play. (see game play time between 2/3 vs 4/5 for example)
  • People play Halo because the core game-play mechanics greatly differ from those of other titles. What we have seen across the previous 3 multi-player titles (Reach - halo 4) is that this gap between these mechanics is shrinking. I am willing to state that this bridging has been one dominant factor in the shrinking population of Halo. Why play Halo when there are other games that do what Halo is trying to do better?
  • It is halo attempting to be another something its never been, halo went towards the competition instead of setting itself with an clear identity of its own.
  • LAST but not least, golden era halo never had a chance to die, the formula never decreased in titles sold, consistently had a phenomenal amount of online UUs, it was only when we drifted from this formula we began to diminish as a franchise.
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Sprinting is absolutely fine “Spartan Charge” needs to be taken out. sprinting doesnt make or break a game.

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i rather like the sprint option. it allows me to keep up with my battle buddies or catch up to an enemy spartan

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> > I’m part of the original fanbase and I welcome sprint with open arms!
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> >Halo: Reach changed formula a little, still successful
> >“halo” 4 and 5 refuse to use successful formula and do poorly
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> > The old Halos I mostly played for the campaigns and only occasionally played mp, but now I love the mp even though I’m not that great.
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> > The things that made Halo unique are the shields, weapons, and high ttk (except CE because of the 3 shot kill pistol) which are still here!
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> Always being able to shoot, melee, and use grenades at all times.

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> > > I have stated multiple times on multiple threads including this one that I had the first 2 Halos on pc. I’m a casual who doesn’t give a -Yoink- what my service record says. Someone’s skill doesn’t determine how much they enjoy a game.
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> He said he couldn’t take me seriously because I was bad at the game.

Did you also play Halo 3, ODST, Reach, and “halo” 4 on the PC as well?

At least you admit you are bad and a casual (as opposed to a veteran/expert to the franchise such as myself). Let’s put things in perspective now:

Should a car company take advice from someone who’s only qualification is they “likes to drive their car”?
Should I hire a plumber who’s qualification is “I like metal pipes”?
Should we be electing people into a very important political position when they have no idea how politics works?

Now I am not saying you can’t like a game, anyone can do that. What I am saying is you don’t look like a Halo fan since you cannot comprehend the context us hardcore Halo fans are talking about.

This conversation is about sprint, it has no purpose in Halo. During Halo 2 sprint was being developed by cut, not due to time and resources, but because it didn’t flow very well with the Halo experience they already established. As a result, sprint was not really even considered in Halo 3.

As Wpns Grade points out, sprint ruins map design, ruins the golden triangle, ruins time to kill, etc. Even if it took a long time to get from one end of the map to the other by walking, there was usually vehicles, man cannons, teleporters, etc. to help you.

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> > > > > > > Not an argument. Why is this one mechanic so needed going forward? Could a movement system that enables you to shoot and sprint at the same time be more beneficial and practice, it’s in the lore you must like that argument. Saying lmao in a well reasoned discussion only shows who’s unable to reason or articulate their opinion effectively. After I read this I went to the bathroom and cried…you hurt my feelings. Argue on logic not emotion.
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> > > > > > Logic? my logic is I will still blow your brains out with or without sprint fool…after all it is game. I let the people who make the games decide what mechanics they want to implement. its up to me to decide if I accept them or not. Me accepting them = me playing the -Yoinking!- game. Me not accepting them = me NOT playing the -Yoinking!- game. Does this logic meet your standards Mister? LMAO…
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> > > > > If you like it you play it if not then you don’t play it. I’m arguing not about whether I like or dislike sprint I’m arguing there are better and more effective ways to implement movement and combat. I can’t spell it out any simpler than that, I’m sorry I don’t speak Walmart. Stay on topic it’s about the implementation and the net positives versus the net negatives it’s not about something as subjective as “liking” a singular mechanic.
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> > > > Everything you are saying is known already there is nothing new you can add to this BS. You might as well copy and paste from here on out homie.oh by the waya Wlamart has the lowest prices and you cant beat it. I do 50/50 Target and Walmart get there freak…LMAO…
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> - Sprint influences map design by pushing developers to make larger maps, which is inappropriate for Halo’s core gameplay (The arena maps on slayer re plenty small enough and induce firefights. I don’t know about you but I’m constantly running into people.)
> - It creates a large area of “no man’s land” on a map where nobody is actually expected to have a gunfight - (I can see this in large warzone maps. I don’t experience this in CSR Arena maps).
> - It also creates areas that are just segues into different parts of the map, e.g. the hallways on Adrift - those are not ideal fighting locations (see Chill Out for proper map-making inspiration) (Not sure why this is necessarily a negative in all cases but I see what you’re saying)
> - Sprint deconstructs the spawning system because players are able to get back in the battle too quickly, especially with a straight-shooting weapon like the DMR and lots of open spaces (Yes. Sprinting does allow for players to get to certain spawn point much quicker, but everyone can sprint so no one is at a disadvantage. The game has evolved to include sprinting so players should adjust to it)
> - Sprint ruins map geometry by creating gaps that can only be traversed with sprint-powered jumps; jumping and shooting is kind of important in Halo (Once again if certain areas are only traversed by sprint powered jumps, it’s part of the evolved game. Once again, everyone can sprint, everyone can do those jumps. If a player can’t that’s more or less on the player).
> - Most significantly, it causes the Spartan to lower their weapon - at no point in a Halo game should a person be unable to shoot their gun unless they’re holding the objective (This is the only point I can 100% agree with. I would like to shoot while sprinting).
> - It downplays the vertical aspect of Halo hugely, creating maps that are horizontally gigantic but vertically insignificant (Arena maps have enough layers vertically. Empire, Rig, they all have enough vertical layers. How many vertical layers do you want?)
> - People can sprint off-spawn to finish a weakened player which lowers the punishment for dying and makes trading kills more prevalent. (Kind of agree)
> - It’s a get out of jail free card. People can run away easily and hide, which slows down game play. (see game play time between 2/3 vs 4/5 for example) (You can also give chase. Once again you have sprint as well. It’s not like you don’t and only they have it. If both person have speed then its null. If only one person can sprint, yes I see what you’re saying. If the chasing player can’t give chase or as unable to that has more to do with the players own ability).
> - People play Halo because the core game-play mechanics greatly differ from those of other titles. What we have seen across the previous 2 multi-player titles (Reach and Halo 4) is that this gap between these mechanics is shrinking. I am willing to state that this bridging has been one dominant factor in the shrinking population of Halo. Why play Halo when there are other games that do what Halo is trying to do better? (This is presumptious at best. You are assuming everyone plays Halo for the same reason. Especially nowadays.)
> - It is halo attempting to be another something its never been, halo went towards the competition instead of setting itself with an clear identity of its own. (Don’t see a problem with this. Once again this is a purely how you see it and from your perspective type of argument)
> - LAST but not least, golden era halo never had a chance to die, the formula never decreased in titles sold, consistently had a phenomenal amount of online UUs, it was only when we drifted from this formula we began to diminish as a franchise. (Once again, I loved that era too but it’s over. I hate to tell you but stop living in the past. Games change. Mechanics of games change. It happens to all games. No franchise just stays the same)

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I wish some of you would quit pretending like sprint defines halo evolution going foward, there are OTHER ways to evolve the game too, some of which are already in the game, ground pound, slide and thruster are GREAT new features in halo 5 theyre more than welcome in my eyes and TRUE evolutions to the halo formula. Sprint, is just a sonic the hedgehog mode, where you put down your gun and book it, and affects everything in the game from how the AI functions to how the maps are designed. Quit defending sprint as the future of halo because honestly adding sprint to the game doesnt bring all that much to the table. I still think that it NEEDS to remain in warzone and customs as an option. but thats it has no place in competitive and campaign for reasons already explained. for those of you who think that the game NEEDS sprint stop for two seconds to actually think to yourself, would you mind playing a halo which sprint is removed in campaign and arena? JUST those two. and if you couldnt why not?
if its the speed we could higher base movement speed. So why? why does sprint ABSOLUTLEY have to be in the game. explain it to me, really cause I want to understand. I used to be like you guys I used to defend sprint until I realize what it does inevitably to the game around it. So, tell me why?–aint nothin but a part♪–
oh crap lol.
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If Halo doesn’t introduce new mechanics and playstyles then it will end up like Call of Duty, the same regurgitated piece of sh*t every year. Get over it.

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> I wish some of you would quit pretending like sprint defines halo evolution going foward, there are OTHER ways to evolve the game too, some of which are already in the game, ground pound, slide and thruster are GREAT new features in halo 5 theyre more than welcome in my eyes and TRUE evolutions to the halo formula. Sprint, is just a sonic the hedgehog mode, where you put down your gun and book it, and affects everything in the game from how the AI functions to how the maps are designed. Quit defending sprint as the future of halo because honestly adding sprint to the game doesnt bring all that much to the table. I still think that it NEEDS to remain in warzone and customs as an option. but thats it has no place in competitive and campaign for reasons already explained. for those of you who think that the game NEEDS sprint stop for two seconds to actually think to yourself, would you mind playing a halo which sprint is removed in campaign and arena? JUST those two. and if you couldnt why not?
> if its the speed we could higher base movement speed. So why? why does sprint ABSOLUTLEY have to be in the game. explain it to me, really cause I want to understand. I used to be like you guys I used to defend sprint until I realize what it does inevitably to the game around it. So, tell me why?–aint nothin but a part♪–
> oh crap lol.
> but seriously…

Why DOESN’T sprint need to be in this game? Why must it be removed? Because there are other ways to evolve a game? That just suggests theres other options, but having other options doesn’t mean the current one can’t be included or isn’t right. I’m still waiting for someone to share a definitive reason as to why sprint shouldn’t be in there. I hear a lot of you asking us to provide a definitive reason as to why sprint should be included but I still haven’t heard a definitive reason as to why not.

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> > > > > > > > > sprint is here and it might not go away as it might go away…the point is…IT IS WHAT IT IS!!! sprint is available in halo5 and your -Yoinking!-, moaning and whining is not doing jack -Yoink- but making yourself look like a fool for steady staying on this path. LET IT GO and your life will be better, true story…LMAO…
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> > > > > > > > Not an argument. Why is this one mechanic so needed going forward? Could a movement system that enables you to shoot and sprint at the same time be more beneficial and practice, it’s in the lore you must like that argument. Saying lmao in a well reasoned discussion only shows who’s unable to reason or articulate their opinion effectively. After I read this I went to the bathroom and cried…you hurt my feelings. Argue on logic not emotion.
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> > > > > > > Logic? my logic is I will still blow your brains out with or without sprint fool…after all it is game. I let the people who make the games decide what mechanics they want to implement. its up to me to decide if I accept them or not. Me accepting them = me playing the -Yoinking!- game. Me not accepting them = me NOT playing the -Yoinking!- game. Does this logic meet your standards Mister? LMAO…
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> > > > > > If you like it you play it if not then you don’t play it. I’m arguing not about whether I like or dislike sprint I’m arguing there are better and more effective ways to implement movement and combat. I can’t spell it out any simpler than that, I’m sorry I don’t speak Walmart. Stay on topic it’s about the implementation and the net positives versus the net negatives it’s not about something as subjective as “liking” a singular mechanic.
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> > > > > Everything you are saying is known already there is nothing new you can add to this BS. You might as well copy and paste from here on out homie.oh by the waya Wlamart has the lowest prices and you cant beat it. I do 50/50 Target and Walmart get there freak…LMAO…
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> > > > So you have no reason why to continue to include said mechanic after all that? Shocking
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> > > I still haven’t seen you offer an argument for the mechanics you want to implement. just telling him that he isn’t arguing logically. that’s about all you have written. So not sure what the difference is here. And please provide something with details and meat on the bones and not something that has been argued to death already by someone else wanting to do away with sprint. We are all waiting.
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> > I can understand for once reading every page would be a pain so sure here is the simplified reasons with respect to gameplay. If you want me to do an economic evaluation I could put that out so long as 343 enables us to see the data on 5, but I can work with reach and some of 4s info.
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> > - Sprint influences map design by pushing developers to make larger maps, which is inappropriate for Halo’s core gameplay (The arena maps on slayer re plenty small enough and induce firefights. I don’t know about you but I’m constantly running into people.)
> > - It creates a large area of “no man’s land” on a map where nobody is actually expected to have a gunfight - (I can see this in large warzone maps. I don’t experience this in CSR Arena maps).
> > - It also creates areas that are just segues into different parts of the map, e.g. the hallways on Adrift - those are not ideal fighting locations (see Chill Out for proper map-making inspiration) (Not sure why this is necessarily a negative in all cases but I see what you’re saying)
> > - Sprint deconstructs the spawning system because players are able to get back in the battle too quickly, especially with a straight-shooting weapon like the DMR and lots of open spaces (Yes. Sprinting does allow for players to get to certain spawn point much quicker, but everyone can sprint so no one is at a disadvantage. The game has evolved to include sprinting so players should adjust to it)
> > - Sprint ruins map geometry by creating gaps that can only be traversed with sprint-powered jumps; jumping and shooting is kind of important in Halo (Once again if certain areas are only traversed by sprint powered jumps, it’s part of the evolved game. Once again, everyone can sprint, everyone can do those jumps. If a player can’t that’s more or less on the player).
> > - Most significantly, it causes the Spartan to lower their weapon - at no point in a Halo game should a person be unable to shoot their gun unless they’re holding the objective (This is the only point I can 100% agree with. I would like to shoot while sprinting).
> > - It downplays the vertical aspect of Halo hugely, creating maps that are horizontally gigantic but vertically insignificant (Arena maps have enough layers vertically. Empire, Rig, they all have enough vertical layers. How many vertical layers do you want?)
> > - People can sprint off-spawn to finish a weakened player which lowers the punishment for dying and makes trading kills more prevalent. (Kind of agree)
> > - It’s a get out of jail free card. People can run away easily and hide, which slows down game play. (see game play time between 2/3 vs 4/5 for example) (You can also give chase. Once again you have sprint as well. It’s not like you don’t and only they have it. If both person have speed then its null. If only one person can sprint, yes I see what you’re saying. If the chasing player can’t give chase or as unable to that has more to do with the players own ability).
> > - People play Halo because the core game-play mechanics greatly differ from those of other titles. What we have seen across the previous 2 multi-player titles (Reach and Halo 4) is that this gap between these mechanics is shrinking. I am willing to state that this bridging has been one dominant factor in the shrinking population of Halo. Why play Halo when there are other games that do what Halo is trying to do better? (This is presumptious at best. You are assuming everyone plays Halo for the same reason. Especially nowadays.)
> > - It is halo attempting to be another something its never been, halo went towards the competition instead of setting itself with an clear identity of its own. (Don’t see a problem with this. Once again this is a purely how you see it and from your perspective type of argument)
> > - LAST but not least, golden era halo never had a chance to die, the formula never decreased in titles sold, consistently had a phenomenal amount of online UUs, it was only when we drifted from this formula we began to diminish as a franchise. (Once again, I loved that era too but it’s over. I hate to tell you but stop living in the past. Games change. Mechanics of games change. It happens to all games. No franchise just stays the same)
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alot of your answers are very opinion based “maps are small enough” the best example, I agree they are small enough but maps like regret, truth with sprint at the forefront of the game become TOO small. and it really becomes an issue to play objective gamemodes on maps like that assault and CTF and a nightmare on those maps

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> > > > > >Halo: Reach changed formula a little, still successful
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> > > > > > The old Halos I mostly played for the campaigns and only occasionally played mp, but now I love the mp even though I’m not that great.
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> > > > > > The things that made Halo unique are the shields, weapons, and high ttk (except CE because of the 3 shot kill pistol) which are still here!
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> > > > > Always being able to shoot, melee, and use grenades at all times.
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> > > > I have stated multiple times on multiple threads including this one that I had the first 2 Halos on pc. I’m a casual who doesn’t give a -Yoink- what my service record says. Someone’s skill doesn’t determine how much they enjoy a game.
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> That’s not telling you that you can’t enjoy the game.
> All he is saying is that since you haven’t played the older games at a competitive level, how can you tell someone who has, that Sprint is perfectly fine and balanced.
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> No one is saying you can’t enjoy the game, most of the people here enjoy the game.
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> But we all want Halo to be a great FPS again, and it hasn’t been a great FPS is a good while now.

Is there something inherently wrong with not playing a game at a competitive level? Most people that play fps don’t play competitive. The game doesn’t force you to sprint and you can still trudge around the maps while shooting. Most of the complaints about sprint are probably caused by the lack of knowing when or when not to sprint.