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> > > > > > > > > > > > over 2000 posts and so far NOBODY has successfully told me WHY sprint should stay in COMPETETIVE HALO and the campaign too.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Because everyone don’t really have a good reason. Me I think it should stay but increase the base movement speed which they decreased and make the maps more Halo in away but less on sprint. I think they should just make a classic playlist like people have been saying on the pages ago. Keeping a classic playlist and a modern playlist would be good.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > They did increase the BMS from the beta, and decreased the delta between bms and sprint.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So they should create maps and not take sprint into account? How do you think sprint will affect that gameplay and flow? If however we end up with a sprint mechanic barely usable, why implement it at all?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One question that is dumb: What do you mean by delta? Second thing is that I think in a way it should have map areas that require sprint while others don’t. Like a hybrid map or something I don’t know.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There are no stupid questions, or dumb questions. Don’t know, do ask.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The difference between BMS and Sprint speed. Sprint most likely stayed at the same speed while BMS got pumped. The difference between them changed, essentially nerfing sprint compared to BMS. Delta changed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Then you’d have parts of the map with different flow whilst sprinting than what was intended.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I’ve always said that the “dumb question” is the one asked without thinking first. Like when my students ask if they should put their names on their assignments.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think its worth mentioning where the term “delta” comes from. Its commonly used in math and science to refer to the change in something. using the greek letter ∆ to represent this symbolically.
> > > > > > > ∆y=y1-y2
> > > > > > > The change in the value of y is the difference between y1 (or the starting value) and y2 (the ending value).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was considering adding the same, though also note that delta is the equivalent of D in the Greek alphabet and I think “difference” is useful in remembering its meaning, and is also likely where the use of the symbol has its origins in.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it me or this thread has turned into a math class about Greek math? I don’t hate it just seems weird to talk about math on Waypoint since its all abut Halo.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It’s just you. It’s only two posts. Have anything of worth to add to the sprint discussion or are you just stopping by for your hourly post about nothing?
> > >
> > >
> > > You don’t have to be rude. I like sprint. I rather have Halo push forward and try new things (Not leave every thing behind Elites, customization etc.) but if we just a make Classic play list. No sprint, No smart scope, No thruster or charge. Then people would be happy. I mean just remake classic maps. Guardians, The Pit, Lockout and there. You have classic playlist with no sprint or Spartan Abilities but classic maps with classic gameplay.
> >
> >
> > People would be happy getting an entire game that isn’t negatively affected by sprint, not just one playlist and only forged maps.
> >
> > How about everyone else just gets one playlist with sprint and the rest of the game would be sprintless? That would make everyone happy, right?
>
>
> Nope just the minority of antisprinters.
The fact of the matter, Sprint won’t be removed in Halo 6 or any Halo game after for the simple fact that it has become too mainstream in Halo games, now that doesn’t mean classic playlists won’t exist in future Halo titles, but Sprint will still be around, you can’t fight it, only accept it.
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> > > > > > > > > > > over 2000 posts and so far NOBODY has successfully told me WHY sprint should stay in COMPETETIVE HALO and the campaign too.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Because everyone don’t really have a good reason. Me I think it should stay but increase the base movement speed which they decreased and make the maps more Halo in away but less on sprint. I think they should just make a classic playlist like people have been saying on the pages ago. Keeping a classic playlist and a modern playlist would be good.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > They did increase the BMS from the beta, and decreased the delta between bms and sprint.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So they should create maps and not take sprint into account? How do you think sprint will affect that gameplay and flow? If however we end up with a sprint mechanic barely usable, why implement it at all?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One question that is dumb: What do you mean by delta? Second thing is that I think in a way it should have map areas that require sprint while others don’t. Like a hybrid map or something I don’t know.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are no stupid questions, or dumb questions. Don’t know, do ask.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The difference between BMS and Sprint speed. Sprint most likely stayed at the same speed while BMS got pumped. The difference between them changed, essentially nerfing sprint compared to BMS. Delta changed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then you’d have parts of the map with different flow whilst sprinting than what was intended.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I’ve always said that the “dumb question” is the one asked without thinking first. Like when my students ask if they should put their names on their assignments.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think its worth mentioning where the term “delta” comes from. Its commonly used in math and science to refer to the change in something. using the greek letter ∆ to represent this symbolically.
> > > > > > ∆y=y1-y2
> > > > > > The change in the value of y is the difference between y1 (or the starting value) and y2 (the ending value).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I was considering adding the same, though also note that delta is the equivalent of D in the Greek alphabet and I think “difference” is useful in remembering its meaning, and is also likely where the use of the symbol has its origins in.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is it me or this thread has turned into a math class about Greek math? I don’t hate it just seems weird to talk about math on Waypoint since its all abut Halo.
> > >
> > >
> > > It’s just you. It’s only two posts. Have anything of worth to add to the sprint discussion or are you just stopping by for your hourly post about nothing?
> >
> >
> > You don’t have to be rude. I like sprint. I rather have Halo push forward and try new things (Not leave every thing behind Elites, customization etc.) but if we just a make Classic play list. No sprint, No smart scope, No thruster or charge. Then people would be happy. I mean just remake classic maps. Guardians, The Pit, Lockout and there. You have classic playlist with no sprint or Spartan Abilities but classic maps with classic gameplay.
>
>
> Classic Halo needs its own game…even if it’s a CS:GO style game with multiplayer and bots and no story.
Wasn’t that MCC? It would’ve work to play classic Halo all remastered if it wasn’t broken with bugs and bad Matchmaking.
Removing sprint removes an extra variable in Map design. It allows one to balance a map based around a constant speed.
The perfect example of this is the H2 remake of Headlong in Halo 5. This map is broken* with sprint and clamber. You can get to far to many areas that would have been inaccessible before. The Valhalla remake is another example. You can circumvent the map far to quickly with sprint.
With 2 variables, the Developers are in a tough spot when it comes to balance. When you increase Base Movement speed, do you also buff sprint? There needs to be a noticeable difference to offset the penalty of not being able to charge shields. If you think sprint speed is perfect as is, then your stuck with a slower than ideal base movement speed. If a Developer decides to balance based combining sprint AND base movement into one variable, then they run into the problems** with we’re seeing.
Seeing a “Classic” play list would only really work for smaller arena maps or specially made forge maps. Warzone maps require sprint (Unless you go pure ninja build) and not sprinting puts you at a disadvantage.
*Broken in the sense that it may look like Headlong, but it doesn’t play like headlong.
**To Clarify, I don’t 100% hate sprint, but it makes it so that any map that is a remake of classic halo 1/2/3 isn’t fun at all to me. These are the problems I am referring to.
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> Removing sprint removes an extra variable in Map design. It allows one to balance a map based around a constant speed.
>
> The perfect example of this is the H2 remake of Headlong in Halo 5. This map is broken* with sprint and clamber. You can get to far to many areas that would have been inaccessible before. The Valhalla remake is another example. You can circumvent the map far to quickly with sprint.
>
> With 2 variables, the Developers are in a tough spot when it comes to balance. When you increase Base Movement speed, do you also buff sprint? There needs to be a noticeable difference to offset the penalty of not being able to charge shields. If you think sprint speed is perfect as is, then your stuck with a slower than ideal base movement speed. If a Developer decides to balance based combining sprint AND base movement into one variable, then they run into the problems** with we’re seeing.
>
> Seeing a “Classic” play list would only really work for smaller arena maps or specially made forge maps. Warzone maps require sprint (Unless you go pure ninja build) and not sprinting puts you at a disadvantage.
>
> *Broken in the sense that it may look like Headlong, but it doesn’t play like headlong.
> **To Clarify, I don’t 100% hate sprint, but it makes it so that any map that is a remake of classic halo 1/2/3 isn’t fun at all to me. These are the problems I am referring to.
I think that’s one of the reasons why maps are so forgettable these days. Off the top of my head I don’t think there are any maps most people would consider classics from Reach, H4 or H5. Maybe “good” maps, but none that would be considered “one of the best” in the series. That’s because so many mechanics forces maps to accommodate for so many different variables. Map design is less focused and more watered down.
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> > Removing sprint removes an extra variable in Map design. It allows one to balance a map based around a constant speed.
> >
> > The perfect example of this is the H2 remake of Headlong in Halo 5. This map is broken* with sprint and clamber. You can get to far to many areas that would have been inaccessible before. The Valhalla remake is another example. You can circumvent the map far to quickly with sprint.
> >
> > With 2 variables, the Developers are in a tough spot when it comes to balance. When you increase Base Movement speed, do you also buff sprint? There needs to be a noticeable difference to offset the penalty of not being able to charge shields. If you think sprint speed is perfect as is, then your stuck with a slower than ideal base movement speed. If a Developer decides to balance based combining sprint AND base movement into one variable, then they run into the problems** with we’re seeing.
> >
> > Seeing a “Classic” play list would only really work for smaller arena maps or specially made forge maps. Warzone maps require sprint (Unless you go pure ninja build) and not sprinting puts you at a disadvantage.
> >
> > *Broken in the sense that it may look like Headlong, but it doesn’t play like headlong.
> > **To Clarify, I don’t 100% hate sprint, but it makes it so that any map that is a remake of classic halo 1/2/3 isn’t fun at all to me. These are the problems I am referring to.
>
>
> I think that’s one of the reasons why maps are so forgettable these days. Off the top of my head I don’t think there are any maps most people would consider classics from Reach, H4 or H5. Maybe “good” maps, but none that would be considered “one of the best” in the series. That’s because so many mechanics forces maps to accommodate for so many different variables. Map design is less focused and more watered down.
Spot on. I can’t think of any H5 (arena) maps that I would put in my top 25. The 1 halo 4 map I like, I can’t even think of it’s name…which tells you how memorable it is.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > over 2000 posts and so far NOBODY has successfully told me WHY sprint should stay in COMPETETIVE HALO and the campaign too.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Because everyone don’t really have a good reason. Me I think it should stay but increase the base movement speed which they decreased and make the maps more Halo in away but less on sprint. I think they should just make a classic playlist like people have been saying on the pages ago. Keeping a classic playlist and a modern playlist would be good.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > They did increase the BMS from the beta, and decreased the delta between bms and sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So they should create maps and not take sprint into account? How do you think sprint will affect that gameplay and flow? If however we end up with a sprint mechanic barely usable, why implement it at all?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > One question that is dumb: What do you mean by delta? Second thing is that I think in a way it should have map areas that require sprint while others don’t. Like a hybrid map or something I don’t know.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There are no stupid questions, or dumb questions. Don’t know, do ask.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The difference between BMS and Sprint speed. Sprint most likely stayed at the same speed while BMS got pumped. The difference between them changed, essentially nerfing sprint compared to BMS. Delta changed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Then you’d have parts of the map with different flow whilst sprinting than what was intended.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I’ve always said that the “dumb question” is the one asked without thinking first. Like when my students ask if they should put their names on their assignments.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think its worth mentioning where the term “delta” comes from. Its commonly used in math and science to refer to the change in something. using the greek letter ∆ to represent this symbolically.
> > > > > > > > ∆y=y1-y2
> > > > > > > > The change in the value of y is the difference between y1 (or the starting value) and y2 (the ending value).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was considering adding the same, though also note that delta is the equivalent of D in the Greek alphabet and I think “difference” is useful in remembering its meaning, and is also likely where the use of the symbol has its origins in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it me or this thread has turned into a math class about Greek math? I don’t hate it just seems weird to talk about math on Waypoint since its all abut Halo.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It’s just you. It’s only two posts. Have anything of worth to add to the sprint discussion or are you just stopping by for your hourly post about nothing?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You don’t have to be rude. I like sprint. I rather have Halo push forward and try new things (Not leave every thing behind Elites, customization etc.) but if we just a make Classic play list. No sprint, No smart scope, No thruster or charge. Then people would be happy. I mean just remake classic maps. Guardians, The Pit, Lockout and there. You have classic playlist with no sprint or Spartan Abilities but classic maps with classic gameplay.
> > >
> > >
> > > People would be happy getting an entire game that isn’t negatively affected by sprint, not just one playlist and only forged maps.
> > >
> > > How about everyone else just gets one playlist with sprint and the rest of the game would be sprintless? That would make everyone happy, right?
> >
> >
> > Nope just the minority of antisprinters.
>
>
> Nah, we’re the majority. Prove me wrong.
Makes an outrageous and unsupported statement and asks someone else to prove him wrong. This literally adds no debate or argument since you are just going to shoot down any reasonable response with:
“No you’re wrong, I’m right, prove me wrong.”
Totally makes me unlikely to read and take anything you post seriously.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > over 2000 posts and so far NOBODY has successfully told me WHY sprint should stay in COMPETETIVE HALO and the campaign too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Because everyone don’t really have a good reason. Me I think it should stay but increase the base movement speed which they decreased and make the maps more Halo in away but less on sprint. I think they should just make a classic playlist like people have been saying on the pages ago. Keeping a classic playlist and a modern playlist would be good.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > They did increase the BMS from the beta, and decreased the delta between bms and sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So they should create maps and not take sprint into account? How do you think sprint will affect that gameplay and flow? If however we end up with a sprint mechanic barely usable, why implement it at all?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > One question that is dumb: What do you mean by delta? Second thing is that I think in a way it should have map areas that require sprint while others don’t. Like a hybrid map or something I don’t know.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There are no stupid questions, or dumb questions. Don’t know, do ask.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The difference between BMS and Sprint speed. Sprint most likely stayed at the same speed while BMS got pumped. The difference between them changed, essentially nerfing sprint compared to BMS. Delta changed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Then you’d have parts of the map with different flow whilst sprinting than what was intended.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I’ve always said that the “dumb question” is the one asked without thinking first. Like when my students ask if they should put their names on their assignments.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think its worth mentioning where the term “delta” comes from. Its commonly used in math and science to refer to the change in something. using the greek letter ∆ to represent this symbolically.
> > > > > > > > > ∆y=y1-y2
> > > > > > > > > The change in the value of y is the difference between y1 (or the starting value) and y2 (the ending value).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was considering adding the same, though also note that delta is the equivalent of D in the Greek alphabet and I think “difference” is useful in remembering its meaning, and is also likely where the use of the symbol has its origins in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is it me or this thread has turned into a math class about Greek math? I don’t hate it just seems weird to talk about math on Waypoint since its all abut Halo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It’s just you. It’s only two posts. Have anything of worth to add to the sprint discussion or are you just stopping by for your hourly post about nothing?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You don’t have to be rude. I like sprint. I rather have Halo push forward and try new things (Not leave every thing behind Elites, customization etc.) but if we just a make Classic play list. No sprint, No smart scope, No thruster or charge. Then people would be happy. I mean just remake classic maps. Guardians, The Pit, Lockout and there. You have classic playlist with no sprint or Spartan Abilities but classic maps with classic gameplay.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > People would be happy getting an entire game that isn’t negatively affected by sprint, not just one playlist and only forged maps.
> > > >
> > > > How about everyone else just gets one playlist with sprint and the rest of the game would be sprintless? That would make everyone happy, right?
> > >
> > >
> > > Nope just the minority of antisprinters.
> >
> >
> > Nah, we’re the majority. Prove me wrong.
>
>
> Makes an outrageous and unsupported statement and asks someone else to prove him wrong. This literally adds no debate or argument since you are just going to shoot down any reasonable response with:
> “No you’re wrong, I’m right, prove me wrong.”
> Totally makes me unlikely to read and take anything you post seriously.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over 2000 posts and so far NOBODY has successfully told me WHY sprint should stay in COMPETETIVE HALO and the campaign too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because everyone don’t really have a good reason. Me I think it should stay but increase the base movement speed which they decreased and make the maps more Halo in away but less on sprint. I think they should just make a classic playlist like people have been saying on the pages ago. Keeping a classic playlist and a modern playlist would be good.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > They did increase the BMS from the beta, and decreased the delta between bms and sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So they should create maps and not take sprint into account? How do you think sprint will affect that gameplay and flow? If however we end up with a sprint mechanic barely usable, why implement it at all?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > One question that is dumb: What do you mean by delta? Second thing is that I think in a way it should have map areas that require sprint while others don’t. Like a hybrid map or something I don’t know.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > There are no stupid questions, or dumb questions. Don’t know, do ask.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The difference between BMS and Sprint speed. Sprint most likely stayed at the same speed while BMS got pumped. The difference between them changed, essentially nerfing sprint compared to BMS. Delta changed.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Then you’d have parts of the map with different flow whilst sprinting than what was intended.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I’ve always said that the “dumb question” is the one asked without thinking first. Like when my students ask if they should put their names on their assignments.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I think its worth mentioning where the term “delta” comes from. Its commonly used in math and science to refer to the change in something. using the greek letter ∆ to represent this symbolically.
> > > > > > > > > > ∆y=y1-y2
> > > > > > > > > > The change in the value of y is the difference between y1 (or the starting value) and y2 (the ending value).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I was considering adding the same, though also note that delta is the equivalent of D in the Greek alphabet and I think “difference” is useful in remembering its meaning, and is also likely where the use of the symbol has its origins in.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is it me or this thread has turned into a math class about Greek math? I don’t hate it just seems weird to talk about math on Waypoint since its all abut Halo.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It’s just you. It’s only two posts. Have anything of worth to add to the sprint discussion or are you just stopping by for your hourly post about nothing?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You don’t have to be rude. I like sprint. I rather have Halo push forward and try new things (Not leave every thing behind Elites, customization etc.) but if we just a make Classic play list. No sprint, No smart scope, No thruster or charge. Then people would be happy. I mean just remake classic maps. Guardians, The Pit, Lockout and there. You have classic playlist with no sprint or Spartan Abilities but classic maps with classic gameplay.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > People would be happy getting an entire game that isn’t negatively affected by sprint, not just one playlist and only forged maps.
> > > > >
> > > > > How about everyone else just gets one playlist with sprint and the rest of the game would be sprintless? That would make everyone happy, right?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nope just the minority of antisprinters.
> > >
> > >
> > > Nah, we’re the majority. Prove me wrong.
> >
> >
> > Makes an outrageous and unsupported statement and asks someone else to prove him wrong. This literally adds no debate or argument since you are just going to shoot down any reasonable response with:
> > “No you’re wrong, I’m right, prove me wrong.”
> > Totally makes me unlikely to read and take anything you post seriously.
>
>
> And you didn’t?
Yeah, I admit I did it sort of as a joke for the prosprinters, but he’s literally going post to post calling people wrong then telling them to prove him wrong. I literally stopped listening to 75% of his posts in the last 62 pages.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > over 2000 posts and so far NOBODY has successfully told me WHY sprint should stay in COMPETETIVE HALO and the campaign too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Because everyone don’t really have a good reason. Me I think it should stay but increase the base movement speed which they decreased and make the maps more Halo in away but less on sprint. I think they should just make a classic playlist like people have been saying on the pages ago. Keeping a classic playlist and a modern playlist would be good.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > They did increase the BMS from the beta, and decreased the delta between bms and sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So they should create maps and not take sprint into account? How do you think sprint will affect that gameplay and flow? If however we end up with a sprint mechanic barely usable, why implement it at all?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > One question that is dumb: What do you mean by delta? Second thing is that I think in a way it should have map areas that require sprint while others don’t. Like a hybrid map or something I don’t know.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There are no stupid questions, or dumb questions. Don’t know, do ask.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The difference between BMS and Sprint speed. Sprint most likely stayed at the same speed while BMS got pumped. The difference between them changed, essentially nerfing sprint compared to BMS. Delta changed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Then you’d have parts of the map with different flow whilst sprinting than what was intended.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I’ve always said that the “dumb question” is the one asked without thinking first. Like when my students ask if they should put their names on their assignments.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think its worth mentioning where the term “delta” comes from. Its commonly used in math and science to refer to the change in something. using the greek letter ∆ to represent this symbolically.
> > > > > > > > > ∆y=y1-y2
> > > > > > > > > The change in the value of y is the difference between y1 (or the starting value) and y2 (the ending value).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was considering adding the same, though also note that delta is the equivalent of D in the Greek alphabet and I think “difference” is useful in remembering its meaning, and is also likely where the use of the symbol has its origins in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is it me or this thread has turned into a math class about Greek math? I don’t hate it just seems weird to talk about math on Waypoint since its all abut Halo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It’s just you. It’s only two posts. Have anything of worth to add to the sprint discussion or are you just stopping by for your hourly post about nothing?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You don’t have to be rude. I like sprint. I rather have Halo push forward and try new things (Not leave every thing behind Elites, customization etc.) but if we just a make Classic play list. No sprint, No smart scope, No thruster or charge. Then people would be happy. I mean just remake classic maps. Guardians, The Pit, Lockout and there. You have classic playlist with no sprint or Spartan Abilities but classic maps with classic gameplay.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > People would be happy getting an entire game that isn’t negatively affected by sprint, not just one playlist and only forged maps.
> > > >
> > > > How about everyone else just gets one playlist with sprint and the rest of the game would be sprintless? That would make everyone happy, right?
> > >
> > >
> > > Nope just the minority of antisprinters.
> >
> >
> > Nah, we’re the majority. Prove me wrong.
>
>
> Makes an outrageous and unsupported statement and asks someone else to prove him wrong. This literally adds no debate or argument since you are just going to shoot down any reasonable response with:
> “No you’re wrong, I’m right, prove me wrong.”
> Totally makes me unlikely to read and take anything you post seriously.
Why is it outrageous? You made a claim first. You must have some proof either way, don’t you?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over 2000 posts and so far NOBODY has successfully told me WHY sprint should stay in COMPETETIVE HALO and the campaign too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because everyone don’t really have a good reason. Me I think it should stay but increase the base movement speed which they decreased and make the maps more Halo in away but less on sprint. I think they should just make a classic playlist like people have been saying on the pages ago. Keeping a classic playlist and a modern playlist would be good.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > They did increase the BMS from the beta, and decreased the delta between bms and sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So they should create maps and not take sprint into account? How do you think sprint will affect that gameplay and flow? If however we end up with a sprint mechanic barely usable, why implement it at all?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > One question that is dumb: What do you mean by delta? Second thing is that I think in a way it should have map areas that require sprint while others don’t. Like a hybrid map or something I don’t know.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > There are no stupid questions, or dumb questions. Don’t know, do ask.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The difference between BMS and Sprint speed. Sprint most likely stayed at the same speed while BMS got pumped. The difference between them changed, essentially nerfing sprint compared to BMS. Delta changed.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Then you’d have parts of the map with different flow whilst sprinting than what was intended.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I’ve always said that the “dumb question” is the one asked without thinking first. Like when my students ask if they should put their names on their assignments.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I think its worth mentioning where the term “delta” comes from. Its commonly used in math and science to refer to the change in something. using the greek letter ∆ to represent this symbolically.
> > > > > > > > > > > ∆y=y1-y2
> > > > > > > > > > > The change in the value of y is the difference between y1 (or the starting value) and y2 (the ending value).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I was considering adding the same, though also note that delta is the equivalent of D in the Greek alphabet and I think “difference” is useful in remembering its meaning, and is also likely where the use of the symbol has its origins in.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Is it me or this thread has turned into a math class about Greek math? I don’t hate it just seems weird to talk about math on Waypoint since its all abut Halo.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It’s just you. It’s only two posts. Have anything of worth to add to the sprint discussion or are you just stopping by for your hourly post about nothing?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You don’t have to be rude. I like sprint. I rather have Halo push forward and try new things (Not leave every thing behind Elites, customization etc.) but if we just a make Classic play list. No sprint, No smart scope, No thruster or charge. Then people would be happy. I mean just remake classic maps. Guardians, The Pit, Lockout and there. You have classic playlist with no sprint or Spartan Abilities but classic maps with classic gameplay.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > People would be happy getting an entire game that isn’t negatively affected by sprint, not just one playlist and only forged maps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How about everyone else just gets one playlist with sprint and the rest of the game would be sprintless? That would make everyone happy, right?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope just the minority of antisprinters.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nah, we’re the majority. Prove me wrong.
> > >
> > >
> > > Makes an outrageous and unsupported statement and asks someone else to prove him wrong. This literally adds no debate or argument since you are just going to shoot down any reasonable response with:
> > > “No you’re wrong, I’m right, prove me wrong.”
> > > Totally makes me unlikely to read and take anything you post seriously.
> >
> >
> > And you didn’t?
>
>
> Yeah, I admit I did it sort of as a joke for the prosprinters, but he’s literally going post to post calling people wrong then telling them to prove him wrong. I literally stopped listening to 75% of his posts in the last 62 pages.
What you mean is you stopped listening to my posts that are in regards to how sprint affects the game. You seem to be all over anything you don’t have to actually have a discussion about.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > over 2000 posts and so far NOBODY has successfully told me WHY sprint should stay in COMPETETIVE HALO and the campaign too.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Because everyone don’t really have a good reason. Me I think it should stay but increase the base movement speed which they decreased and make the maps more Halo in away but less on sprint. I think they should just make a classic playlist like people have been saying on the pages ago. Keeping a classic playlist and a modern playlist would be good.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > They did increase the BMS from the beta, and decreased the delta between bms and sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So they should create maps and not take sprint into account? How do you think sprint will affect that gameplay and flow? If however we end up with a sprint mechanic barely usable, why implement it at all?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > One question that is dumb: What do you mean by delta? Second thing is that I think in a way it should have map areas that require sprint while others don’t. Like a hybrid map or something I don’t know.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There are no stupid questions, or dumb questions. Don’t know, do ask.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The difference between BMS and Sprint speed. Sprint most likely stayed at the same speed while BMS got pumped. The difference between them changed, essentially nerfing sprint compared to BMS. Delta changed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Then you’d have parts of the map with different flow whilst sprinting than what was intended.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I’ve always said that the “dumb question” is the one asked without thinking first. Like when my students ask if they should put their names on their assignments.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think its worth mentioning where the term “delta” comes from. Its commonly used in math and science to refer to the change in something. using the greek letter ∆ to represent this symbolically.
> > > > > > > > ∆y=y1-y2
> > > > > > > > The change in the value of y is the difference between y1 (or the starting value) and y2 (the ending value).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was considering adding the same, though also note that delta is the equivalent of D in the Greek alphabet and I think “difference” is useful in remembering its meaning, and is also likely where the use of the symbol has its origins in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it me or this thread has turned into a math class about Greek math? I don’t hate it just seems weird to talk about math on Waypoint since its all abut Halo.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It’s just you. It’s only two posts. Have anything of worth to add to the sprint discussion or are you just stopping by for your hourly post about nothing?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You don’t have to be rude. I like sprint. I rather have Halo push forward and try new things (Not leave every thing behind Elites, customization etc.) but if we just a make Classic play list. No sprint, No smart scope, No thruster or charge. Then people would be happy. I mean just remake classic maps. Guardians, The Pit, Lockout and there. You have classic playlist with no sprint or Spartan Abilities but classic maps with classic gameplay.
> > >
> > >
> > > People would be happy getting an entire game that isn’t negatively affected by sprint, not just one playlist and only forged maps.
> > >
> > > How about everyone else just gets one playlist with sprint and the rest of the game would be sprintless? That would make everyone happy, right?
> >
> >
> > Nope just the minority of antisprinters.
>
>
> Nah, we’re the majority. Prove me wrong.
It’s up to YOU to prove that your statement is true, not the other way around.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > over 2000 posts and so far NOBODY has successfully told me WHY sprint should stay in COMPETETIVE HALO and the campaign too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Because everyone don’t really have a good reason. Me I think it should stay but increase the base movement speed which they decreased and make the maps more Halo in away but less on sprint. I think they should just make a classic playlist like people have been saying on the pages ago. Keeping a classic playlist and a modern playlist would be good.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > They did increase the BMS from the beta, and decreased the delta between bms and sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So they should create maps and not take sprint into account? How do you think sprint will affect that gameplay and flow? If however we end up with a sprint mechanic barely usable, why implement it at all?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > One question that is dumb: What do you mean by delta? Second thing is that I think in a way it should have map areas that require sprint while others don’t. Like a hybrid map or something I don’t know.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There are no stupid questions, or dumb questions. Don’t know, do ask.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The difference between BMS and Sprint speed. Sprint most likely stayed at the same speed while BMS got pumped. The difference between them changed, essentially nerfing sprint compared to BMS. Delta changed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Then you’d have parts of the map with different flow whilst sprinting than what was intended.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I’ve always said that the “dumb question” is the one asked without thinking first. Like when my students ask if they should put their names on their assignments.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think its worth mentioning where the term “delta” comes from. Its commonly used in math and science to refer to the change in something. using the greek letter ∆ to represent this symbolically.
> > > > > > > > > ∆y=y1-y2
> > > > > > > > > The change in the value of y is the difference between y1 (or the starting value) and y2 (the ending value).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was considering adding the same, though also note that delta is the equivalent of D in the Greek alphabet and I think “difference” is useful in remembering its meaning, and is also likely where the use of the symbol has its origins in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is it me or this thread has turned into a math class about Greek math? I don’t hate it just seems weird to talk about math on Waypoint since its all abut Halo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It’s just you. It’s only two posts. Have anything of worth to add to the sprint discussion or are you just stopping by for your hourly post about nothing?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You don’t have to be rude. I like sprint. I rather have Halo push forward and try new things (Not leave every thing behind Elites, customization etc.) but if we just a make Classic play list. No sprint, No smart scope, No thruster or charge. Then people would be happy. I mean just remake classic maps. Guardians, The Pit, Lockout and there. You have classic playlist with no sprint or Spartan Abilities but classic maps with classic gameplay.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > People would be happy getting an entire game that isn’t negatively affected by sprint, not just one playlist and only forged maps.
> > > >
> > > > How about everyone else just gets one playlist with sprint and the rest of the game would be sprintless? That would make everyone happy, right?
> > >
> > >
> > > Nope just the minority of antisprinters.
> >
> >
> > Nah, we’re the majority. Prove me wrong.
>
>
> It’s up to YOU to prove that your statement is true, not the other way around.
So he would have to prove his statement as well then, correct?
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> Removing sprint removes an extra variable in Map design. It allows one to balance a map based around a constant speed.
>
> The perfect example of this is the H2 remake of Headlong in Halo 5. This map is broken* with sprint and clamber. You can get to far to many areas that would have been inaccessible before. The Valhalla remake is another example. You can circumvent the map far to quickly with sprint.
>
> With 2 variables, the Developers are in a tough spot when it comes to balance. When you increase Base Movement speed, do you also buff sprint? There needs to be a noticeable difference to offset the penalty of not being able to charge shields. If you think sprint speed is perfect as is, then your stuck with a slower than ideal base movement speed. If a Developer decides to balance based combining sprint AND base movement into one variable, then they run into the problems** with we’re seeing.
>
> Seeing a “Classic” play list would only really work for smaller arena maps or specially made forge maps. Warzone maps require sprint (Unless you go pure ninja build) and not sprinting puts you at a disadvantage.
>
> *Broken in the sense that it may look like Headlong, but it doesn’t play like headlong.
> **To Clarify, I don’t 100% hate sprint, but it makes it so that any map that is a remake of classic halo 1/2/3 isn’t fun at all to me. These are the problems I am referring to.
Using clamber and sprint on a classic halo 2 map remake makes it a lot more fun
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over 2000 posts and so far NOBODY has successfully told me WHY sprint should stay in COMPETETIVE HALO and the campaign too.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because everyone don’t really have a good reason. Me I think it should stay but increase the base movement speed which they decreased and make the maps more Halo in away but less on sprint. I think they should just make a classic playlist like people have been saying on the pages ago. Keeping a classic playlist and a modern playlist would be good.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > They did increase the BMS from the beta, and decreased the delta between bms and sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So they should create maps and not take sprint into account? How do you think sprint will affect that gameplay and flow? If however we end up with a sprint mechanic barely usable, why implement it at all?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > One question that is dumb: What do you mean by delta? Second thing is that I think in a way it should have map areas that require sprint while others don’t. Like a hybrid map or something I don’t know.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > There are no stupid questions, or dumb questions. Don’t know, do ask.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The difference between BMS and Sprint speed. Sprint most likely stayed at the same speed while BMS got pumped. The difference between them changed, essentially nerfing sprint compared to BMS. Delta changed.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Then you’d have parts of the map with different flow whilst sprinting than what was intended.
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> > > > > > > > > > I’ve always said that the “dumb question” is the one asked without thinking first. Like when my students ask if they should put their names on their assignments.
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> > > > > > > > > > I think its worth mentioning where the term “delta” comes from. Its commonly used in math and science to refer to the change in something. using the greek letter ∆ to represent this symbolically.
> > > > > > > > > > ∆y=y1-y2
> > > > > > > > > > The change in the value of y is the difference between y1 (or the starting value) and y2 (the ending value).
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> > > > > > > > > I was considering adding the same, though also note that delta is the equivalent of D in the Greek alphabet and I think “difference” is useful in remembering its meaning, and is also likely where the use of the symbol has its origins in.
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> > > > > > > > Is it me or this thread has turned into a math class about Greek math? I don’t hate it just seems weird to talk about math on Waypoint since its all abut Halo.
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> > > > > > > It’s just you. It’s only two posts. Have anything of worth to add to the sprint discussion or are you just stopping by for your hourly post about nothing?
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> > > > > > You don’t have to be rude. I like sprint. I rather have Halo push forward and try new things (Not leave every thing behind Elites, customization etc.) but if we just a make Classic play list. No sprint, No smart scope, No thruster or charge. Then people would be happy. I mean just remake classic maps. Guardians, The Pit, Lockout and there. You have classic playlist with no sprint or Spartan Abilities but classic maps with classic gameplay.
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> > > > > People would be happy getting an entire game that isn’t negatively affected by sprint, not just one playlist and only forged maps.
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> > > > > How about everyone else just gets one playlist with sprint and the rest of the game would be sprintless? That would make everyone happy, right?
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> > > > Nope just the minority of antisprinters.
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> > > Nah, we’re the majority. Prove me wrong.
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> > It’s up to YOU to prove that your statement is true, not the other way around.
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> So he would have to prove his statement as well then, correct?
Oh yeah, I would have to prove why my joke statement is true. Makes total sense.
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> > Than you guys for reminding me why I had to stop coming here. The sheer ignorance in this topic is next level. Yikes.
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> So what’s your side?
