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> That’s a nice opinion you got there.
> Pity it has no relevance to anything I said in that post.
Pity your opinion has no relevance to anything since Bravo confirmed the population size. And if you haven’t liked a Halo title since 3 then what are you even doing here?
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> > > > > Objectively false. Not even 343 has implied something so ridiculous.
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> > > > Apparently you haven’t heard, Bravo confirmed that it was most popular since Halo 3
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> > My bad auto correct. Most populated. If you want you can look for yourself.
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> Again you’re missing the point.
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> The most populated since Halo 3 isn’t the same as the most populated Halo game ever made.
Halo 3 had the highest population of any Halo game and because Halo 5 is about equal, it is also one of the most populated Halo games. You get it now or do you need some flashing lights and colors to keep your attention to the matter at hand?
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> Pity your opinion has no relevance to anything since Bravo confirmed the population size. And if you haven’t liked a Halo title since 3 then what are you even doing here?
“highest population since Halo 3” means that it has a higher population than Reach, Halo 4, and MCC(The Halo games that have come out since Halo 3). It does not mean that it is the most populated Halo game ever. If it were the highest populated Halo game ever, I would imagine Bravo would have worded it something like, “the highest populated Halo game ever”.
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> > > > > > Objectively false. Not even 343 has implied something so ridiculous.
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> > > My bad auto correct. Most populated. If you want you can look for yourself.
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> > Again you’re missing the point.
> > The most populated since Halo 3 isn’t the same as the most populated Halo game ever made.
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> Halo 3 had the highest population of any Halo game and because Halo 5 is about equal, it is also one of the most populated Halo games. You get it now or do you need some flashing lights and colors to keep your attention to the matter at hand?
Holy -Yoink- dude.
Nowhere did he say it was close to being equal. He just said it was the highest since. Let’s say Halo 3 had 1million, Halo 4 had 400k, and Halo 5 had 500k. That’s “the most populated since”, but it’s still not equal.
Again, most populated since Halo 3 =/= “the most populated ever”, which is what wize was claiming. How is that a hard concept to grasp?
And then you’re going to sit there and insult my intelligence while clearly being wrong yourself? That REALLY makes me angry.
I think the addition of sprinting, climbing, dashing and smashing has really made Halo a lot more updated. You’re a super soldier, you should be able to do all those things. Although I think Halo 5 has the worst story of all Halo games I feel like it’s the best playing. Love the new movement and squad mechanics.
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> > > > My bad auto correct. Most populated. If you want you can look for yourself.
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> > > Again you’re missing the point.
> > > The most populated since Halo 3 isn’t the same as the most populated Halo game ever made.
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> > Halo 3 had the highest population of any Halo game and because Halo 5 is about equal, it is also one of the most populated Halo games. You get it now or do you need some flashing lights and colors to keep your attention to the matter at hand?
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> Holy -Yoink- dude.
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> 1. Nowhere did he say it was close to being equal. He just said it was the highest since. Let’s say Halo 3 had 1million, Halo 4 had 400k, and Halo 5 had 500k. That’s “the most populated since”, but it’s still not equal.
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> 2. Again, most populated since Halo 3 =/= “the most populated ever”, which is what wize was claiming. How is that a hard concept to grasp?
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> And then you’re going to sit there and insult my intelligence while clearly being wrong yourself? That REALLY makes me angry.
Just shows how good 343 is at spin!
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> > > > > > Objectively false. Not even 343 has implied something so ridiculous.
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> > > > > Apparently you haven’t heard, Bravo confirmed that it was most popular since Halo 3
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> > > My bad auto correct. Most populated. If you want you can look for yourself.
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> > Again you’re missing the point.
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> > The most populated since Halo 3 isn’t the same as the most populated Halo game ever made.
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> Halo 3 had the highest population of any Halo game and because Halo 5 is about equal, it is also one of the most populated Halo games. You get it now or do you need some flashing lights and colors to keep your attention to the matter at hand?
From what -Yoink!- are you jokers extracting this complete nonsense? Bravo said, and I quote, “Halo 5 has had the highest monthly active players for a Halo title since Halo 3.” That is not the highest total population. That is not highest concurrent players. That in no way even comes close to suggesting that it’s “about equal” to Halo 3, a game that, being generous to Halo 5, sold well more than twice as many copies. In fact, we don’t even really know WHAT that means. All we know is that the last two failed Halo games were worse in some way. What an astounding accomplishment. /s
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> > Pity it has no relevance to anything I said in that post.
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> Pity your opinion has no relevance to anything since Bravo confirmed the population size. And if you haven’t liked a Halo title since 3 then what are you even doing here?
No, he didn’t. At no point has anyone at 343 said ANYTHING specific about Halo’s population and Bravo certainly did not make the utterly inane claim you just made. Christ, you people are thick.
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> > The most populated since Halo 3 isn’t the same as the most populated Halo game ever made.
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> Halo 3 had the highest population of any Halo game and because Halo 5 is about equal, it is also one of the most populated Halo games. You get it now or do you need some flashing lights and colors to keep your attention to the matter at hand?
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> From what -Yoink!- are you jokers extracting this complete nonsense? Bravo said, and I quote, “Halo 5 has had the highest monthly active players for a Halo title since Halo 3.” That is not the highest total population. That is not highest concurrent players. That in no way even comes close to suggesting that it’s “about equal” to Halo 3, a game that, being generous to Halo 5, sold well more than twice as many copies. In fact, we don’t even really know WHAT that means. All we know is that the last two failed Halo games were worse in some way. What an astounding accomplishment. /s
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> > Pity your opinion has no relevance to anything since Bravo confirmed the population size. And if you haven’t liked a Halo title since 3 then what are you even doing here?
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> No, he didn’t. At no point has anyone at 343 said ANYTHING specific about Halo’s population and Bravo certainly did not make the utterly inane claim you just made. Christ, you people are thick.
Completely agree with you
i personally love sprint because i can get to all of my locations faster and like some one said its just one small thing in the game
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> A majority of H5s player base doesn’t give a -Yoink- about your mlg crap. Most people play for an hour or 2 and just want to relax and have a good time. The maps are bigger now so you can’t just constantly spawn kill everyone like you do in your stupid video. MCC works fine so you can take your crap there.
Have you tried to play mcc multiplayer??? Broken. Custom Games??? Broken.
And actually these movement systems support spawn killing and it just creates an illusion that the map is bigger.
Geez. Hostile
> And if you haven’t liked a Halo title since 3 then what are you even doing here?
Proselytizing to those who would listen (to some small degree of success) in hopes of future change, blowing off and accumulating steam at the same time. I guess I’m somewhat of a masochist as well.
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Sprint is an illusion. Maps were smaller = Quicker to travel
Maps are Bigger + Fast Movrment = Quicker to travel
Halo Maps are made around sprint! Not the other way around
keep the sprint
Being as objective and conciliatory as I possibly can:
If sprint can be pictured as doubling the player’s movement speed, then maps would be somewhere along the line of being 175% larger in size.
This is done to reduce, without completely nullifying, the effects sprint has on game pacing.
Is it faster than before? Sure, ignoring potentially game-slowing factors like people fleeing fights or not always being in sprint mode.
Is it the only way to make things faster, to skin the cat? No, far from it.
In this example the exact same effect could be achieved by reducing map size 25% or increasing base speed 25%.
Or you could keep both variables the same and add teleports, vehicles, and other alternative modes of map traversal.
Or you could make spawn points closer together.
Or so on.
Sprint isn’t added out of a necessity to increase game pace (pace itself isn’t easy to define anyways).
It’s added because of modern trends, because of the perceived “strategy” of having a trade-off for movement speed, and because of ‘immershun’.
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> > > > Why is it that no-one makes some valid arguments or evidence to back up claims on the topic of a no-sprint halo? Personally I have no issue with anyone bringing up such things as map-stretching or sadbox hinderance on the part of sprint, but no-one seems to show i.e some map comparisons, measurements or something of similar caliber to actually back up these claims. ,Just because the game flow is different doesn’t mean that halo is “ruined” or “dead”. Custom games allow oppurtunity to design, play and manipulate the game to be played without sprint, so why not go try that out, and then with a fresh mind try to explain how the two game styles compare and how halo would benefit without the sprint mechanic. In these situations where halo is a very unstable franchise you should not be able to sucessfully propagate non-justified anecdotal evidence, just to make the game developers feel split and bow down for the sole reason that the fanbase are crybabies. I just ask anyone, with any opinion, to evaluate it on a fundemental level before posting it to the public. I am not criticising OP directly, or his/her opinion, but rather suggesting to take a step back, rewrite this forum post, and then get a healthy discussion going. Thanks!
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> > > It has been done.
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> > > Halo 3 Guardian vs Halo 4 Haven.
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> > > Bottom of page two
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> > > Halo 2 Midship vs Halo 5 Truth.
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> > > We’ve seen it in articles with map designers.
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> > > It’s there, believe me.
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> > How do Pitfall and Ragnarok/The Pit and Valhalla fall into this? Was this about smallest maps possible or just map scale in general? I dont know if you remember Reaper MC, but he has comparison videos of movement speeds across maps, and I tweeted Josh Holmes to see that base speeds from Halo 3- Halo 4 were roughly the same. Marginal difference, which is actually listed in one of your links.
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> > In general, I’d agree that small maps in H4-H5 are larger than CE-H3. Not much larger, but still larger. In the case of something like Ragnarok, I get the general sense that people liked BTB in Halo 4. Possibly due to sprint?
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> > Side note: Comparing Midship and Truth isnt exactly fair. Truth is inspired by Midship, but wasnt made to be a 1:1 remake. Its not the same vein as Heretic vs Midship.
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> The Pit wasn’t a small map from the start, and its remake Pitfall didn’t play the same. It could be remade in a 1:1 scale due to travel times being somewhat in line with what was sought after for other maps, and not make the map too chaotic.
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> Valhalla and the Ragnarok 1:1 remake, BTB map where the effect of sprint is smaller, however, even Ragnarok played differently when only sprint was utilised, no AAs at all.
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> In terms of lengths, Haven, if I remember, was 30% longer in both the x and z axis. It is a tangible difference. Also, if I remember, outside of that thread I used to overview pictures, both of Guardian and Haven, black and white, to determine the percentage of playable space, from overview, and Haven was in overview area a lot bigger than Guardian.
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> I got the assumption that BTB was the most liked playlist in Halo 4 because the game played better in the BTB setting than it did in 4v4. The data from that time, around launch, showed that 4v4 had a higher population than BTB. If memory serves, it took about a week for BTB to rise in popularity while 4v4 went down. 4v4 had always in every prior Halo been the most popular playlist, even in Reach.
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> Truth being inspired by Midship is Josh Holmes’ “excuse” in order to not throw more fuel on the fire, a poor attempt at damage control. The map is an upscaled Midship with some changes in order to make all mechanics viable on the map, and to not make the flow, due to sprint, horrible. It is Midship upscaled in order to accommodate sprint.
I take it by this that Guardian is the smallest map in the Halo franchise then?
Yes yes, you hate 343 PR, we get it. Still an inspired map, and not a remake. Remakes are 1:1, and 343 has made remakes before.
doing it so I can rank up
reach is awesome and halo 5 is a good runner up
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> > Holy -Yoink- dude.
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> > 1. Nowhere did he say it was close to being equal. He just said it was the highest since. Let’s say Halo 3 had 1million, Halo 4 had 400k, and Halo 5 had 500k. That’s “the most populated since”, but it’s still not equal.
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> > 2. Again, most populated since Halo 3 =/= “the most populated ever”, which is what wize was claiming. How is that a hard concept to grasp?
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> > And then you’re going to sit there and insult my intelligence while clearly being wrong yourself? That REALLY makes me angry.
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> Just shows how good 343 is at spin!
343 didnt say anything of the sort. Gamespot created a click bait title, then referenced the correct statement in the article itself.
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> > From what -Yoink!- are you jokers extracting this complete nonsense? Bravo said, and I quote, “Halo 5 has had the highest monthly active players for a Halo title since Halo 3.” That is not the highest total population. That is not highest concurrent players. That in no way even comes close to suggesting that it’s “about equal” to Halo 3, a game that, being generous to Halo 5, sold well more than twice as many copies. In fact, we don’t even really know WHAT that means. All we know is that the last two failed Halo games were worse in some way. What an astounding accomplishment. /s
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> > > > Pity it has no relevance to anything I said in that post.
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> > > Pity your opinion has no relevance to anything since Bravo confirmed the population size. And if you haven’t liked a Halo title since 3 then what are you even doing here?
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> > No, he didn’t. At no point has anyone at 343 said ANYTHING specific about Halo’s population and Bravo certainly did not make the utterly inane claim you just made. Christ, you people are thick.
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> Completely agree with you
Last 3 Halo games. Unless you werent counting MCC.