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> > I’m no going to bother arguing in favor of sprint or debunking anti-sprint arguments because we’ve all been there and done that. But I am going to go on the record:
> >
> > Removing sprint doesn’t make Halo back into Halo. It makes it back into Halo 3. And if that’s what you want then by all means go and play it and leave the rest of us to move resolutely into the future.
>
>
> Halo 3 Anniversary is coming up people. play that game and both sides of the community will be happy.
Uh other halo titles besides Halo 3 don’t have sprint. We don’t want another Halo 3 we want another HALO in general. Halo 4 and 5 are nothing like the other games.
I prefer to have sprint. If you don’t want to sprint then don’t, but the option should be there for players.
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> I don’t want them to take it out permanantly, but I would appreciate a Classic Playlist. It would be much better to have an exclusive playlist without sprint, spartan abilities, and have many old weapons and maps.
Tell that to 343.
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> > For more information, MC and other Spartans have been sprintin in the books and if we can’t do it in the game. That’s makes us not Spartans.
>
>
> wtf?
>
> As someone else said in this forum
>
> Gameplay > Lore
Yeah but sometimes Lore>Gameplay
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> > > > didn’t even bother reading it because it is the dumbest topic out there right now. Just because it has sprint doesn’t mean its not Halo. It’s one whole mechanic, that’s it. If you don’t like sprint, don’t sprint. Problem solved.
> > >
> > >
> > > Except the maps are purposefully stretched out to accompany sprint, so that stretched maps will have the same sprint travel time as a non stretched map with just walking. So
> > > not sprinting is punishing because the game had to be made around it.
> >
> >
> > not true, the only time you NEED, to sprint, is if you are trying to break a wall in warzone. i have stopped sprinting completely and do just fine.
> >
> > sprint should stay, spartan charge is what needs to leave.
> >
> > not having sprint is not what made halo, halo. the BR, needler, floaty jumps, and spartans, made halo, halo. sprint alone does not make or break halo, the people who can’t get over it, are what breaks halo.
>
>
> umm no, the warthog, the campaign and the plasma pistol were the things that helped make Halo, Halo. (There are other factors, like custom games(options 2), community, and split screen).
Split screen should come back…
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> > > > I’m no going to bother arguing in favor of sprint or debunking anti-sprint arguments because we’ve all been there and done that. But I am going to go on the record:
> > > >
> > > > Removing sprint doesn’t make Halo back into Halo. It makes it back into Halo 3. And if that’s what you want then by all means go and play it and leave the rest of us to move resolutely into the future.
> > >
> > >
> > > Halo 3 Anniversary is coming up people. play that game and both sides of the community will be happy.
> >
> >
> > Most of us have already spent hundreds of hours on halo 3. We want a new halo that’s good. And you could say go play mcc but it’s still broken for a lot of people including myself AND play list populations are like worst than cod ghosts I bet
>
>
> Well, Halo MCC was meant for people to play old Halos like CE or 2 on a newer console with Xbox Live support. Right, recon Z. Halo without sprint doesn’t make it into old Halo. To have the old Halo, we need Bungie.
Yea I just don’t think 343 have the capability to make a good halo.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that sprint is necessary for Halo. Yes the original Halos did not have sprint, but in today’s games sprint is necessary. Imagine doing warzone with no sprint. It would take an eternity to cross the map. In campaign when I go back and play Halo 1 through 3 it feels slow paced now to an almost unbearable amount. Also new players who are entering into the franchise would not be entertained by the slower game play that no sprint offers.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I actually made it a point to play my first Warzone match without sprinting once. It worked just fine, even with Halo 5’s gimped base movement speed. If new players to the franchise can’t handle moving a little slower(like in the gameplay Halo was built on), then Halo just isn’t the franchise for them. That’s ok though. Not everyone is going to be a Halo fan. But, we shouldn’t be turning away long time fans of the franchise in hopes of maybe pleasing some newcomers. That has been the strategy for over half a decade now, and the population shows that it isn’t working. Trying to change and overhaul a working formula is not the way to continue a franchise.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > And yet if it does not evolve then it will become stagnant and die. Just because the ability to code a sprint feature was not a thing or available in the past means we should ignore it now? Human beings can run, so why can we not run in games? If this was a platformer or adventure game you would do it with how fast you move the joystick.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes. Because sprint wasn’t in the old Halo games for whatever reason, we should ignore it now.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Everyone acts like continuing the Halo franchise is inherently some good thing that should be done no matter the cost. But, if we have to give up Halo’s soul just to get more Halo games, then what’s the point?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If Halo stayed the same, and you deemed it too “stagnant”, and you lost interest in it, then that’s fine. You will have lost interest in the Halo franchise. But at this point you sound like you’ve already lost interest in Halo. You’re only interested in this Halo/modern-shooter hybrid thing that Halo has been turned into.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Back in the day Halo had the same mechanics as the other fps games of its time. What made Halo different was rechargeable shields and way cooler weapons and vehicles than the other games.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is very true. And if something as minor as sprint has made you lose interest in Halo (and that’s fine), maybe Halo isn’t for you anymore. Time to move on.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sprint…minor?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lol what?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sprint effects the game at the most fundamental level.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ugh stop being so dramatic. All you anti-sprinters just don’t like it because of weapon lowering. Don’t like sprint, simply don’t sprint.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You obviously don’t even have a grasp of the most basic effects sprint has.
> > > >
> > > > Why are you even in a discussion thread about something you know nothing about?
> > >
> > >
> > > Most of them don’t. They make surface level arguments at best whereas anti-sprinters get into the nitty gritty.
> >
> >
> >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe that sprint is necessary for Halo. Yes the original Halos did not have sprint, but in today’s games sprint is necessary. Imagine doing warzone with no sprint. It would take an eternity to cross the map. In campaign when I go back and play Halo 1 through 3 it feels slow paced now to an almost unbearable amount. Also new players who are entering into the franchise would not be entertained by the slower game play that no sprint offers.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I actually made it a point to play my first Warzone match without sprinting once. It worked just fine, even with Halo 5’s gimped base movement speed. If new players to the franchise can’t handle moving a little slower(like in the gameplay Halo was built on), then Halo just isn’t the franchise for them. That’s ok though. Not everyone is going to be a Halo fan. But, we shouldn’t be turning away long time fans of the franchise in hopes of maybe pleasing some newcomers. That has been the strategy for over half a decade now, and the population shows that it isn’t working. Trying to change and overhaul a working formula is not the way to continue a franchise.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > And yet if it does not evolve then it will become stagnant and die. Just because the ability to code a sprint feature was not a thing or available in the past means we should ignore it now? Human beings can run, so why can we not run in games? If this was a platformer or adventure game you would do it with how fast you move the joystick.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes. Because sprint wasn’t in the old Halo games for whatever reason, we should ignore it now.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Everyone acts like continuing the Halo franchise is inherently some good thing that should be done no matter the cost. But, if we have to give up Halo’s soul just to get more Halo games, then what’s the point?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If Halo stayed the same, and you deemed it too “stagnant”, and you lost interest in it, then that’s fine. You will have lost interest in the Halo franchise. But at this point you sound like you’ve already lost interest in Halo. You’re only interested in this Halo/modern-shooter hybrid thing that Halo has been turned into.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Back in the day Halo had the same mechanics as the other fps games of its time. What made Halo different was rechargeable shields and way cooler weapons and vehicles than the other games.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is very true. And if something as minor as sprint has made you lose interest in Halo (and that’s fine), maybe Halo isn’t for you anymore. Time to move on.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sprint…minor?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > lol what?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sprint effects the game at the most fundamental level.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ugh stop being so dramatic. All you anti-sprinters just don’t like it because of weapon lowering. Don’t like sprint, simply don’t sprint.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You obviously don’t even have a grasp of the most basic effects sprint has.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why are you even in a discussion thread about something you know nothing about?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Most of them don’t. They make surface level arguments at best whereas anti-sprinters get into the nitty gritty.
> > >
> > >
> > > That is the most infuriating part of this topic. It’s not like other debates where two educated, intelligent sides clash over a disagreement. This topic is simply one side being educated and aware of an issue while the other side is utterly oblivious.
> >
> >
> > Nitty gritty and educated eh?? You mean by one repeating the same 2 points over and over? Get over it and go pretend to be enlightened above everyone somewhere else.
>
>
> And yet, here you are with no points. Shame.
Agreed. Shame… -_-
If sprint is taken away, what will happen to the Warzone players? Since the maps are so big, some people might actually leave.
No not another one can this discussion be left dead and buried
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> > > > > I’m no going to bother arguing in favor of sprint or debunking anti-sprint arguments because we’ve all been there and done that. But I am going to go on the record:
> > > > >
> > > > > Removing sprint doesn’t make Halo back into Halo. It makes it back into Halo 3. And if that’s what you want then by all means go and play it and leave the rest of us to move resolutely into the future.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Halo 3 Anniversary is coming up people. play that game and both sides of the community will be happy.
> > >
> > >
> > > Most of us have already spent hundreds of hours on halo 3. We want a new halo that’s good. And you could say go play mcc but it’s still broken for a lot of people including myself AND play list populations are like worst than cod ghosts I bet
> >
> >
> > Well, Halo MCC was meant for people to play old Halos like CE or 2 on a newer console with Xbox Live support. Right, recon Z. Halo without sprint doesn’t make it into old Halo. To have the old Halo, we need Bungie.
>
>
> Yea I just don’t think 343 have the capability to make a good halo.
Unless a better developer comes along then they are all we have, besides they’ve done a lot of good that unfortunately gets overshadowed by the bad.
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> > > For more information, MC and other Spartans have been sprintin in the books and if we can’t do it in the game. That’s makes us not Spartans.
> >
> >
> > wtf?
> >
> > As someone else said in this forum
> >
> > Gameplay > Lore
>
>
> Yeah but sometimes Lore>Gameplay
Not really, this doesn’t make us NOT a spartan just because we can’t sprint here and there.
Makes no sense removing sprint at this point, its already been implemented in the last two games and removing it completely from arena would confuse new players, plus h5 has done a great job at balancing sprint (ie: health wont recharge if youre sprinting , and i feel you sprint slower if youre getting shot), lets not forget sprinting added with some abilities like sliding and thrusting bring new mechanic combos. I do hate spartan charge that thing takes 0 skills and mental thinking.
Want to make halo, halo again? this is my wishlist:
- Balance between competitive and social playlists
- BTB maps (not forged)
- working theather
- Have fan favorite maps and playlists at launch
- keep microtransactions but make really rare armor unlockable by challenges
- halo reach armor customization
- a -Yoink- worthy halo campaign
- LAN?
- Splitscreen (99% sure it will be possible with Xbox scorpio)
Am i missing anything important?
The maps are designed for sprint and most people would rather keep it. Sprint is one of the most insignificant factors that changes Halo but if you took it out it would make a lot of people mad since people have gotten so used to it. Now you can complain all you want about sprint but it won’t matter. You either figure out how to deal with it or just don’t play Halo if you don’t like it.
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> Makes no sense removing sprint at this point, its already been implemented in the last two games and removing it completely from arena would confuse new players, plus h5 has done a great job at balancing sprint (ie: health wont recharge if youre sprinting , and i feel you sprint slower if youre getting shot), lets not forget sprinting added with some abilities like sliding and thrusting bring new mechanic combos. I do hate spartan charge that thing takes 0 skills and mental thinking.
> Want to make halo, halo again? this is my wishlist:
> 1) Balance between competitive and social playlists
> 2) BTB maps (not forged)
> 3) working theather
> 4) Have fan favorite maps and playlists at launch
> 5) keep microtransactions but make really rare armor unlockable by challenges
> 6) halo reach armor customization
> 7) a -Yoink- worthy halo campaign
> 8) LAN?
> 9) Splitscreen (99% sure it will be possible with Xbox scorpio)
> Am i missing anything important?
Well, You said it faster than me. I like the campain though, but that’s not the proper topic. Anyways, sprint is an interesting game mechanic, you move faster than usual, in order to get to a point A to B before regular walking players, but your shields won’t recharge and you can’t use your guns. The risk is what makes it interesting, to me at least.
I think what kills it is the spartan charge, because damn, it supresses my previous argument about the risk : You can just keep running, and if somebody messes with you, charge his face then shoot.
So yeah, the sprint is cool, but better without the Spartan charge (in my opinion).
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> > I don’t mind sprint it doesn’t really do anything harmful just adds to the game the only thing I hate about sprint is it can lead to that God awful Spartan charge •-•
>
>
> The only thing Spartan Charge does that a regular melee doesn’t is knock you back a few feet. I don’t understand why people are -Yoinking!- about this it doesn’t radically change the game and neither does sprint.
yes it does!, the knockback is whatever, peoples issue with spartan charge, is how people can shoot directly after they hit you, so they can shoot you 4 times in the foot and still kill you, before you can get your shots off because of the knockback
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> The maps are designed for sprint and most people would rather keep it. Sprint is one of the most insignificant factors that changes Halo but if you took it out it would make a lot of people mad since people have gotten so used to it. Now you can complain all you want about sprint but it won’t matter. You either figure out how to deal with it or just don’t play Halo if you don’t like it.
Orrrrrr they could just add a classic playlist? Me and you don’t have to sacrifice sprint, and anti-sprinters get a sprint free playlist, everyone wins! 
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> > What’s funny is that you say that the Spartan Abilities will be more skillful to use if you take away sprint, yet you make an easier target for a ground pound without sprint.
>
>
> Not if you can move quickly in all directions.
But I’m basing this off of base move speeds in Halo 5 and 3(since it was the last game without sprint), you make a really easy target walking as slow as you do in 3.
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> >
> >
> > wtf?
> >
> > As someone else said in this forum
> >
> > Gameplay > Lore
>
>
> Yeah but sometimes Lore>Gameplay
Actually, if you want a successful Halo title, you won’t put lore above gameplay. It’s a game, gameplay’s what matters. You could have the best damn lore ever, but if you have -Yoink- gameplay, nobody will give a damn. (I dont want sprint removed tho)
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> Halo 6 could be the game EVERYONE wants by removing sprint in campaign (yes because who the -Yoink- needs TWO movement speeds in campaign???) and
> arena multiplayer at first I thought a no sprint playlist might be optimal but hear me out. I pretty sure the new spartan abilities (save -Yoinking!- spartan charge) would be GENERALLY accepted in a halo game if they werent accompanied by sprint it would feel more competitive more strategic and would also still be recognizable to the fine tuned experience we got in halo 5. Warzone and customs would be a whole other beast entirely retaining ALL the features that made halo 5 successful would keep warzone great and would also allow more options for custom games, for those people that actually wanted to play in a sprint arena type setting they could actually fire up the in game custom game lobby adjust the filter and be good to go! lets face it, sprint has NO place in competitve halo and to argue that it does would just be absurd. this would allow arena maps to continue to be designed the PROPER way and please the vets and basically everyone whos willing to give it a chance and you wouldnt lose much of your sprint loving audience at all because there would still be sprint in the game it would just take a backseat!
> Thoughts? :3
I hate these kinds of threads. If you dont want sprint then don’t sprint at all in game but you cant speak for everyone. E All I can say is we should have a no sprint option in customs. And stop comparing Halo 5 to previous titles, its different . . . . DEAL WITH IT
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> > > > > > > > > I believe that sprint is necessary for Halo. Yes the original Halos did not have sprint, but in today’s games sprint is necessary. Imagine doing warzone with no sprint. It would take an eternity to cross the map. In campaign when I go back and play Halo 1 through 3 it feels slow paced now to an almost unbearable amount. Also new players who are entering into the franchise would not be entertained by the slower game play that no sprint offers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I actually made it a point to play my first Warzone match without sprinting once. It worked just fine, even with Halo 5’s gimped base movement speed. If new players to the franchise can’t handle moving a little slower(like in the gameplay Halo was built on), then Halo just isn’t the franchise for them. That’s ok though. Not everyone is going to be a Halo fan. But, we shouldn’t be turning away long time fans of the franchise in hopes of maybe pleasing some newcomers. That has been the strategy for over half a decade now, and the population shows that it isn’t working. Trying to change and overhaul a working formula is not the way to continue a franchise.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And yet if it does not evolve then it will become stagnant and die. Just because the ability to code a sprint feature was not a thing or available in the past means we should ignore it now? Human beings can run, so why can we not run in games? If this was a platformer or adventure game you would do it with how fast you move the joystick.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes. Because sprint wasn’t in the old Halo games for whatever reason, we should ignore it now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Everyone acts like continuing the Halo franchise is inherently some good thing that should be done no matter the cost. But, if we have to give up Halo’s soul just to get more Halo games, then what’s the point?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If Halo stayed the same, and you deemed it too “stagnant”, and you lost interest in it, then that’s fine. You will have lost interest in the Halo franchise. But at this point you sound like you’ve already lost interest in Halo. You’re only interested in this Halo/modern-shooter hybrid thing that Halo has been turned into.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Back in the day Halo had the same mechanics as the other fps games of its time. What made Halo different was rechargeable shields and way cooler weapons and vehicles than the other games.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is very true. And if something as minor as sprint has made you lose interest in Halo (and that’s fine), maybe Halo isn’t for you anymore. Time to move on.
>
>
> Why bother, could switch in protest. Seems like half in not more of the pro-sprint players started when 343 took over.
At least the base move speed in DOOM is actually fast. They also don’t have to deal with, overly sized, super open, BTB maps.