The sprint discussion thread

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> > > > Agreed OP.
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> > > > But remember your on waypoint, I haven’t read any responses but I imagine most of them are:
> > > > 1. Spartans are super soldiers they should be able to sprint.
> > > > 2. I want immersion in my game so I should be able to sprint.
> > > > 3. Sprint is here to stay so get good.
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> > > > Thats mainly the top 3 responses I see.
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> > > > We all know a no sprint game could revive a struggling franchise.
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> > > > But knowing 343 not only will Sprint and Overpowered autos be in the game. But a double jump and wall running will be there too.
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> > > > Cuz you know… Anything COD does 343 follows suit
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> > > Bungie started the sprint in Halo thing if you dont remember.
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> > How is that relevant?
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> Because hes calling out 343 for putting things in halo that resemble cod features.

Because they are doing that.

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> > Agreed OP.
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> > But remember your on waypoint, I haven’t read any responses but I imagine most of them are:
> > 1. Spartans are super soldiers they should be able to sprint.
> > 2. I want immersion in my game so I should be able to sprint.
> > 3. Sprint is here to stay so get good.
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> > Thats mainly the top 3 responses I see.
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> > We all know a no sprint game could revive a struggling franchise.
> >
> > But knowing 343 not only will Sprint and Overpowered autos be in the game. But a double jump and wall running will be there too.
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> > Cuz you know… Anything COD does 343 follows suit
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> Bungie started the sprint in Halo thing if you dont remember.

How is that relevant to anything i stated?
I didn’t say that Bugnie’s Halo games are better, they are but that’s not the topic at hand.

It doesn’t matter who started a crap mechanic, bc it’s still crap at the end of the day.

lol this thing still going? useless topic

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> 2000 posts, 1 week, and the deadest horse in the world. This topic is an embarrassment and an eyesore, fueled by misguided nostalgia rather than a genuine desire to see Halo succeed in the modern FPS market.
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> Sprint is the least of Halo’s problems. There are more pressing/actually interesting subjects to discuss, like what kind of content support we’re going to get after the WZFF update, weapon sandbox talk, and cool Forge creations.

Halo 5 is already done. No matter what they do no one is coming back, too many people were burned by the MCC and Halo 5 back to back. You are right that content is the biggest problem with Halo 5, but the overall experience of the game is lacking, and Sprint is a huge part of that. Maps have to follow a very strict set of rules to work with Sprint. That’s why all the maps in the game feel so similar and even though we’ve gotten a decent amount of content post-launch it still feels like there is no diversity. That is because of Sprint and all the other abilities that 343i have added, and that is a major issue.

You say that Halo needs to have Sprint to, “succeed in the modern FPS market.” Doom, Overwatch, and CS:GO would like to have a word with you.

This is lasting awhile.

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> > Agreed OP.
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> > But remember your on waypoint, I haven’t read any responses but I imagine most of them are:
> > 1. Spartans are super soldiers they should be able to sprint.
> > 2. I want immersion in my game so I should be able to sprint.
> > 3. Sprint is here to stay so get good.
> >
> > Thats mainly the top 3 responses I see.
> >
> > We all know a no sprint game could revive a struggling franchise.
> >
> > But knowing 343 not only will Sprint and Overpowered autos be in the game. But a double jump and wall running will be there too.
> >
> > Cuz you know… Anything COD does 343 follows suit
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> Bungie started the sprint in Halo thing if you dont remember.

343 should have had the ability to look at what was liked and disliked about halo, instead they went full COD mode in 4 and furthered the issues regarding gameplay. We can pass blame around all day, bungie isn’t here 343 is. Time to hold them responsible for their failures.

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> > 2000 posts, 1 week, and the deadest horse in the world. This topic is an embarrassment and an eyesore, fueled by misguided nostalgia rather than a genuine desire to see Halo succeed in the modern FPS market.
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> > Sprint is the least of Halo’s problems. There are more pressing/actually interesting subjects to discuss, like what kind of content support we’re going to get after the WZFF update, weapon sandbox talk, and cool Forge creations.
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> Halo 5 is already done. No matter what they do no one is coming back, too many people were burned by the MCC and Halo 5 back to back. You are right that content is the biggest problem with Halo 5, but the overall experience of the game is lacking, and Sprint is a huge part of that. Maps have to follow a very strict set of rules to work with Sprint. That’s why all the maps in the game feel so similar and even though we’ve gotten a decent amount of content post-launch it still feels like there is no diversity. That is because of Sprint and all the other abilities that 343i have added, and that is a major issue.
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> You say that Halo needs to have Sprint to, “succeed in the modern FPS market.” Doom, Overwatch, and CS:GO would like to have a word with you.

Id still rather keep sprint. I dont believe my wants need to be justified with an explaination.

To all the people who like sprint. What does the new halos offer that is different from the other games on the market? Halo is becoming more fast paced, its adding more and more features from other games. (ADS, sprint, op automatic gun, hit markers ect.) There are plenty more games like the game you are trying to make halo, just play those games instead of halo. This whole “modernization” of halo is lowering the sales of the game. Now I will say that halo 5 did remove load outs and other little things but it added more features from other games. Remember when halo was HUGE? it did not have any of these things (maybe a few that I cannot think of) now yes the customers have changed, but these new game mechanics are hurting the games sales immensely when they should be helping. If you want cod, play cod. If you want titanfall play titanfall. If that is what makes your brain release dopamine then play it, dont ruin it for others that have the same dopamine release for the older halo games. People who like the original halos have no where to go besides halo (which is becoming more and more like games I personally dont like) if there was another game like halo that played the way I wanted it to I would leave halo. I have been playing halo since I was 3, but I have no problem leaving if there is something I enjoy more. If it makes you happy then go after it, the original halos do not seem to interest you, instead if wasting your time arguing why halo should become like cod, then just play cod. Dont be a prisoner to a game you dont like just because you have a connection to it. <3

The environments in campaign are built for sprint, so that wouldn’t work. And I agree with the no sprint playlist, I feel like they could get the community to build some maps that don’t use any spartan abilities in forge!

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> > > > > Agreed OP.
> > > > >
> > > > > But remember your on waypoint, I haven’t read any responses but I imagine most of them are:
> > > > > 1. Spartans are super soldiers they should be able to sprint.
> > > > > 2. I want immersion in my game so I should be able to sprint.
> > > > > 3. Sprint is here to stay so get good.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thats mainly the top 3 responses I see.
> > > > >
> > > > > We all know a no sprint game could revive a struggling franchise.
> > > > >
> > > > > But knowing 343 not only will Sprint and Overpowered autos be in the game. But a double jump and wall running will be there too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cuz you know… Anything COD does 343 follows suit
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bungie started the sprint in Halo thing if you dont remember.
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> > > How is that relevant?
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> > Because hes calling out 343 for putting things in halo that resemble cod features.
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> Because they are doing that.

I love how people point that out as if it tears down your argument.

“Sprint is bad for halo because…”

“Well, uh, Bungie did it first!”

Like, we know. I could care less about who implemented it, just that it’s still here.

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> > > 2000 posts, 1 week, and the deadest horse in the world. This topic is an embarrassment and an eyesore, fueled by misguided nostalgia rather than a genuine desire to see Halo succeed in the modern FPS market.
> > >
> > > Sprint is the least of Halo’s problems. There are more pressing/actually interesting subjects to discuss, like what kind of content support we’re going to get after the WZFF update, weapon sandbox talk, and cool Forge creations.
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> > Halo 5 is already done. No matter what they do no one is coming back, too many people were burned by the MCC and Halo 5 back to back. You are right that content is the biggest problem with Halo 5, but the overall experience of the game is lacking, and Sprint is a huge part of that. Maps have to follow a very strict set of rules to work with Sprint. That’s why all the maps in the game feel so similar and even though we’ve gotten a decent amount of content post-launch it still feels like there is no diversity. That is because of Sprint and all the other abilities that 343i have added, and that is a major issue.
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> > You say that Halo needs to have Sprint to, “succeed in the modern FPS market.” Doom, Overwatch, and CS:GO would like to have a word with you.
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> Id still rather keep sprint. I dont believe my wants need to be justified with an explaination.

Would you buy a Halo game without sprint?

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> lol this thing still going? useless topic

I love how people post things like this. All you do is bump the thread.

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> > > > 2000 posts, 1 week, and the deadest horse in the world. This topic is an embarrassment and an eyesore, fueled by misguided nostalgia rather than a genuine desire to see Halo succeed in the modern FPS market.
> > > >
> > > > Sprint is the least of Halo’s problems. There are more pressing/actually interesting subjects to discuss, like what kind of content support we’re going to get after the WZFF update, weapon sandbox talk, and cool Forge creations.
> > >
> > >
> > > Halo 5 is already done. No matter what they do no one is coming back, too many people were burned by the MCC and Halo 5 back to back. You are right that content is the biggest problem with Halo 5, but the overall experience of the game is lacking, and Sprint is a huge part of that. Maps have to follow a very strict set of rules to work with Sprint. That’s why all the maps in the game feel so similar and even though we’ve gotten a decent amount of content post-launch it still feels like there is no diversity. That is because of Sprint and all the other abilities that 343i have added, and that is a major issue.
> > >
> > > You say that Halo needs to have Sprint to, “succeed in the modern FPS market.” Doom, Overwatch, and CS:GO would like to have a word with you.
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> > Id still rather keep sprint. I dont believe my wants need to be justified with an explaination.
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> Would you buy a Halo game without sprint?

Yes. I love the series.

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> > > 2000 posts, 1 week, and the deadest horse in the world. This topic is an embarrassment and an eyesore, fueled by misguided nostalgia rather than a genuine desire to see Halo succeed in the modern FPS market.
> > >
> > > Sprint is the least of Halo’s problems. There are more pressing/actually interesting subjects to discuss, like what kind of content support we’re going to get after the WZFF update, weapon sandbox talk, and cool Forge creations.
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> > Halo 5 is already done. No matter what they do no one is coming back, too many people were burned by the MCC and Halo 5 back to back. You are right that content is the biggest problem with Halo 5, but the overall experience of the game is lacking, and Sprint is a huge part of that. Maps have to follow a very strict set of rules to work with Sprint. That’s why all the maps in the game feel so similar and even though we’ve gotten a decent amount of content post-launch it still feels like there is no diversity. That is because of Sprint and all the other abilities that 343i have added, and that is a major issue.
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> > You say that Halo needs to have Sprint to, “succeed in the modern FPS market.” Doom, Overwatch, and CS:GO would like to have a word with you.
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> Id still rather keep sprint. I dont believe my wants need to be justified with an explaination.

You are right, you don’t need to justify why you want sprint.

Though, if you were to say sprint is good for the gameplay, that would mean nothing without an explanation. There are people that say that and if they’re in this topic, they would need to explain that belief.

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> > > > > 2000 posts, 1 week, and the deadest horse in the world. This topic is an embarrassment and an eyesore, fueled by misguided nostalgia rather than a genuine desire to see Halo succeed in the modern FPS market.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sprint is the least of Halo’s problems. There are more pressing/actually interesting subjects to discuss, like what kind of content support we’re going to get after the WZFF update, weapon sandbox talk, and cool Forge creations.
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> > > > Halo 5 is already done. No matter what they do no one is coming back, too many people were burned by the MCC and Halo 5 back to back. You are right that content is the biggest problem with Halo 5, but the overall experience of the game is lacking, and Sprint is a huge part of that. Maps have to follow a very strict set of rules to work with Sprint. That’s why all the maps in the game feel so similar and even though we’ve gotten a decent amount of content post-launch it still feels like there is no diversity. That is because of Sprint and all the other abilities that 343i have added, and that is a major issue.
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> > > > You say that Halo needs to have Sprint to, “succeed in the modern FPS market.” Doom, Overwatch, and CS:GO would like to have a word with you.
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> > > Id still rather keep sprint. I dont believe my wants need to be justified with an explaination.
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> > Would you buy a Halo game without sprint?
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> Yes. I love the series.

So articulate why you feel sprint is good for halo! Is it purely a preference “I like it” deal. That’s fine, but it’s not an appropriate counter to why so many have issues with how sprint alters the sandbox.

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> Lmao, this people thinking that the failure of halo 5 is sprint, pfffff. It was lack of content and bad campaign, just because you don like it doesnt mean that is a problem. You guys acting that un the instant they remove sprint halo will be the most played game ever, “11/10 no sprint ign”, "omg halo with no sprint, best game ever. No sprint wasnt the thing that made halo good back in the old days
> Sprint is not going away, deal with it. Half of the population like sprint

Of course all of those thing affected the outcome and the game we have now. Lack of respawns in campaign, enemies that are bullet sponges (just like in Halo 4), lack of gametypes (probably because of warzone, had to have people playing it), weird ranking system, REQs for every -Yoink!- thing (no sense of achieving through gameplay or achievements), no split screen, Spartan abilities, medals for every single kill (got closer and closer to CoD in this sense and making medals uninteresting), incredibly weak lobby system and pregame lobby where you can’t even see teams or ranks or have a option to veto. The issue we’re talking about here in this post is sprint and its effects alone on map design and gameplay.

You say sprint isn’t going away, well that’s what people like you were screaming and I mean s.c.r.e.a.m.i.n.g in forums about AAs, bloom, health packs, random weapon drops, flinch, Halo 4’s boltshot and nades, promethean vision, Halo 5’s aiming problems and did I say flinch? If everyone just screams one problem, it’s going to get lost under the screams of others. If we unite and talk about one problem at a time, they must hear us out.

Lets assume you are right and that half of the population likes sprint (I think that most don’t actually care or have no idea what is does to halos gameplay), you have to remember that this is the population that is left in Halo 5, they better at least not hate the ability to sprint. There are many players that stopped playing because of the changes and the direction Halo went with Reach and dived of a cliff with Halo 4. We had many surveys where we had old and new population mixed and sprint was mostly not considered a good feature to be in Halo. Time has passed, they ignored those numbers and more of that old population kept migrating to other games. There is no, absolutely no evidence in saying that Halo had to change that golden formula and try to please a totally different game franchises players. The biggest complaints started with Reach and that’s when Halo’s gameplay and style changed.

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> The incredible thing about this thread being so huge is that almost every anti-sprint Halo fan is long, long gone.

Wanna know why? Because is feels like talking to a brick wall, explaining and reasoning, but still, nothing. Halo changed it gameplay around the Spartan abilities and the new changes, not the other way around. That’s why we are complaining, we want a Halo that continues where Halo 2/3
left off. I’m not saying Halo 5’s a bad game, it just not the game we like as a continuation of Halo. The FPS genre doesn’t have anything like that for me and a lot of others.

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> > > > > > 2000 posts, 1 week, and the deadest horse in the world. This topic is an embarrassment and an eyesore, fueled by misguided nostalgia rather than a genuine desire to see Halo succeed in the modern FPS market.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sprint is the least of Halo’s problems. There are more pressing/actually interesting subjects to discuss, like what kind of content support we’re going to get after the WZFF update, weapon sandbox talk, and cool Forge creations.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Halo 5 is already done. No matter what they do no one is coming back, too many people were burned by the MCC and Halo 5 back to back. You are right that content is the biggest problem with Halo 5, but the overall experience of the game is lacking, and Sprint is a huge part of that. Maps have to follow a very strict set of rules to work with Sprint. That’s why all the maps in the game feel so similar and even though we’ve gotten a decent amount of content post-launch it still feels like there is no diversity. That is because of Sprint and all the other abilities that 343i have added, and that is a major issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > You say that Halo needs to have Sprint to, “succeed in the modern FPS market.” Doom, Overwatch, and CS:GO would like to have a word with you.
> > > >
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> > > > Id still rather keep sprint. I dont believe my wants need to be justified with an explaination.
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> > > Would you buy a Halo game without sprint?
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> > Yes. I love the series.
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> So articulate why you feel sprint is good for halo! Is it purely a preference “I like it” deal. That’s fine, but it’s not an appropriate counter to why so many have issues with how sprint alters the sandbox.

Its my personal preference. I like all of the games. I like the ones with sprint more.

to be honest sprinting is part of halo now no matter what we think or say. i think we have to live with it

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> To all the people who like sprint. What does the new halos offer that is different from the other games on the market? Halo is becoming more fast paced, its adding more and more features from other games. (ADS, sprint, op automatic gun, hit markers ect.) There are plenty more games like the game you are trying to make halo, just play those games instead of halo. This whole “modernization” of halo is lowering the sales of the game. Now I will say that halo 5 did remove load outs and other little things but it added more features from other games. Remember when halo was HUGE? it did not have any of these things (maybe a few that I cannot think of) now yes the customers have changed, but these new game mechanics are hurting the games sales immensely when they should be helping. If you want cod, play cod. If you want titanfall play titanfall. If that is what makes your brain release dopamine then play it, dont ruin it for others that have the same dopamine release for the older halo games. People who like the original halos have no where to go besides halo (which is becoming more and more like games I personally dont like) if there was another game like halo that played the way I wanted it to I would leave halo. I have been playing halo since I was 3, but I have no problem leaving if there is something I enjoy more. If it makes you happy then go after it, the original halos do not seem to interest you, instead if wasting your time arguing why halo should become like cod, then just play cod. Dont be a prisoner to a game you dont like just because you have a connection to it. <3

Halo 5 isn’t close to other games over a few specific mechanics no matter how you argue it. Halo what other fps has forge like halo? Halo still retains one of the higher ttk reguardless if people say it’s going lower, it’s still a heavy team oriented game, still uses arena style maps that really very few games do. Not many have you fight for map control either nor is h5 a run N game, the ttk still stops you from doing art of these things cuz you have to eventually stop to regenerate said shields. I’m sorry, but sprint nor ADS make me feel halo is trying to become another whole genre of games. I’ll admit halo isn’t quite the same as it used to be, I dislike the map designs changing, the over abundance of weapons that do the same thing as other guns, the annoying as -Yoink- Spartan/armor abilities, but halo is still halo.

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> > > 2000 posts, 1 week, and the deadest horse in the world. This topic is an embarrassment and an eyesore, fueled by misguided nostalgia rather than a genuine desire to see Halo succeed in the modern FPS market.
> > >
> > > Sprint is the least of Halo’s problems. There are more pressing/actually interesting subjects to discuss, like what kind of content support we’re going to get after the WZFF update, weapon sandbox talk, and cool Forge creations.
> >
> >
> > Halo 5 is already done. No matter what they do no one is coming back, too many people were burned by the MCC and Halo 5 back to back. You are right that content is the biggest problem with Halo 5, but the overall experience of the game is lacking, and Sprint is a huge part of that. Maps have to follow a very strict set of rules to work with Sprint. That’s why all the maps in the game feel so similar and even though we’ve gotten a decent amount of content post-launch it still feels like there is no diversity. That is because of Sprint and all the other abilities that 343i have added, and that is a major issue.
> >
> > You say that Halo needs to have Sprint to, “succeed in the modern FPS market.” Doom, Overwatch, and CS:GO would like to have a word with you.
>
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> Id still rather keep sprint. I dont believe my wants need to be justified with an explaination.

I’d rather ditch sprint. I dont believe my wants need to be justified with an explanation.