Ever since Halo 4, the bar has been lowered for Spartans. The Spartan IVs could have been so much better. They all have the discipline of marines (They are supposed who the marines and ODSTs envy), they are basically mass produced now, and their augmentations can be laughed at compared to the Spartan II augments (0% mortality rate? No perfect gene requirements?). On top of that, they are now no longer part of the navy, instead, the “Spartan” branch. That just seems silly, the navy was way more badass. Spartans should be the peak of physical and mental conditions, and have the armor to match. Halsey was right about the Spartan IVs, in that they are not capable of being true Spartans. “First we taught them how to be silent, then we taught them how to be Spartans.”
Thank you for pointing out one of the major plot points of the story.
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> Ever since Halo 4, the bar has been lowered for Spartans. The Spartan IVs could have been so much better. They all have the discipline of marines (They are supposed who the marines and ODSTs envy), they are basically mass produced now, and their augmentations can be laughed at compared to the Spartan II augments (0% mortality rate? No perfect gene requirements?). On top of that, they are now no longer part of the navy, instead, the “Spartan” branch. That just seems silly, the navy was way more badass. Spartans should be the peak of physical and mental conditions, and have the armor to match. Halsey was right about the Spartan IVs, in that they are not capable of being true Spartans. “First we taught them how to be silent, then we taught them how to be Spartans.”
I agreed, Spartan 4 are not true Spartans, they are just ODST. What I’m surprise that in halo 4 that master chief wasn’t surprise of the Spartan 4 that he meets (even sarah palmer).
I have a feeling this is part of the overall story and you’re going to come into a lot of story and character development because they’re not Spartan IIs. Also, characters can’t be perfect, or super strong or invincible (eg: Superman) because it makes for a boring storyline. They need development, weaknesses, flaws.
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> Thank you for pointing out one of the major plot points of the story.
Sarcasm? The Spartans are one of the absolute core parts of Halo, and they should be special.
That’s just to make Spartan-II even more legendary, and its perfect like that.
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> I have a feeling this is part of the overall story and you’re going to come into a lot of story and character development because they’re not Spartan IIs. Also, characters can’t be perfect, or super strong or invincible (eg: Superman) because it makes for a boring storyline. They need development, weaknesses, flaws.
The flaws of the Spartan IIs were their numbers. For one, candidates had to meet perfect genetic requirements to be considered, and secondly, they had to survive augmentations. The result if everything went as planned, was the ultimate soldier, and that is an understatement. That is why there were only 150 candidates (cut to 75 due to tremendous funds), and only 33 after augmentation. Spartans were special in that way, ultimate soldiers who were few in numbers, but still kicked major -Yoink-.
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> > Ever since Halo 4, the bar has been lowered for Spartans. The Spartan IVs could have been so much better. They all have the discipline of marines (They are supposed who the marines and ODSTs envy), they are basically mass produced now, and their augmentations can be laughed at compared to the Spartan II augments (0% mortality rate? No perfect gene requirements?). On top of that, they are now no longer part of the navy, instead, the “Spartan” branch. That just seems silly, the navy was way more badass. Spartans should be the peak of physical and mental conditions, and have the armor to match. Halsey was right about the Spartan IVs, in that they are not capable of being true Spartans. “First we taught them how to be silent, then we taught them how to be Spartans.”
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> I agreed, Spartan 4 are not true Spartans, they are just ODST. What I’m surprise that in halo 4 that master chief wasn’t surprise of the Spartan 4 that he meets (even sarah palmer).
How do you know he wasn’t?
He doesn’t strike me as the kind who would drop his jaw and go “wwwwwwhhhhhaaaaaa???”
Also, he knows there was a truce and that nearly five years has passed, I’m sure he put 2 & 2 together.
They’re just soldiers with augmentations. But they’re still strong and when it comes to missions they seem to do well enough. As Halsey said in the Halo 4 prologue. Her Spartans are the next evolution of man as a species.
But you can’t make a whole species unsociable killing machines. Hence the Spartan IVs being much more sociable and being regular people. That’s the whole point. Anyone can be a Spartan. Not everyone can be a hero (like the Chief).
And not every Spartan has to be a hero.
The Spartan-IVs serve a different purpose than the previous Spartan generations. The S-IIs were indoctrinated super-soldiers made to combat human insurrection before being co-opted into fighting the Covenant. The S-IIIs were war orphans turned into super-soldiers fueled on vengeance against the Covenant. The S-IVs are normal people in the military who distinguished themselves through experience or potential who have been given the augmentations and MJOLNIR as the next logical step in the Spartan program. There isn’t really a Spartan feeling when each generation wasn’t like the rest. The Spartan-IVs not being able to be real Spartans is one of the issues I would vehemently disagree with Halsey over. Can they be exactly like the IIs or IIIs? No. Should they be? No.
Spartan IV’s are true spartans, they’re just not as badass as Spartan II’s. I’m ok with this. I’d prefer there only be a handful of legends. If all spartans were Spartan II’s then they wouldn’t be as special.
Spartan-IVs are the ethical ones.
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> He doesn’t strike me as the kind who would drop his jaw and go “wwwwwwhhhhhaaaaaa???”
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> The Spartan-IVs serve a different purpose than the previous Spartan generations. The S-IIs were indoctrinated super-soldiers made to combat human insurrection before being co-opted into fighting the Covenant. The S-IIIs were war orphans turned into super-soldiers fueled on vengeance against the Covenant. The S-IVs are normal people in the military who distinguished themselves through experience or potential who have been given the augmentations and MJOLNIR as the next logical step in the Spartan program. There isn’t really a Spartan feeling when each generation wasn’t like the rest. The Spartan-IVs not being able to be real Spartans is one of the issues I would vehemently disagree with Halsey over. Can they be exactly like the IIs or IIIs? No. Should they be? No.
I disagree that there wasn’t a common feeling. At least from what I’ve seen, both IIs and IIIs share the silent vibe, though the IIs are a bit more. Even when the IIs or IIIs talk, they sound much more professional than your average marine or ODST. Again, I may be wrong, but the IIIs were more or less the same height as the IIs (6ft 10 average). The main difference between the IIs and IIIs is 1. Their mission 2. Their training (Includes how they were conscripted/enlisted) and 3. Their armor (SPI, though in Halo Reach erbody got Mjolnir). What I’m saying is, the Spartan IVs don’t have the same super-soldier feel the IIs and IIIs did. When I play Halo as a Spartan, I want to be reminded I’m humanity’s best.
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> > Ever since Halo 4, the bar has been lowered for Spartans. The Spartan IVs could have been so much better. They all have the discipline of marines (They are supposed who the marines and ODSTs envy), they are basically mass produced now, and their augmentations can be laughed at compared to the Spartan II augments (0% mortality rate? No perfect gene requirements?). On top of that, they are now no longer part of the navy, instead, the “Spartan” branch. That just seems silly, the navy was way more badass. Spartans should be the peak of physical and mental conditions, and have the armor to match. Halsey was right about the Spartan IVs, in that they are not capable of being true Spartans. “First we taught them how to be silent, then we taught them how to be Spartans.”
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ODST’s are better than Spartan IV’s, lol.
> Ever since Halo 4, the bar has been lowered for Spartans. The Spartan IVs could have been so much better.
I agree that the IVs were not as good as they could have been, save for Shadow and Crimson.
> They all have the discipline of marines (They are supposed who the marines and ODSTs envy)
That’s an awfully bold thing to say, don’t you think? While some of the IVs we’ve seen have had less-than-preferable discipline, putting them all in one boiling pot is unfounded.
> they are basically mass produced now
So were the IIIs, and look how potent they were.
> and their augmentations can be laughed at compared to the Spartan II augments (0% mortality rate? No perfect gene requirements?).
So because their augmentations aren’t lethal to them, that therefore makes them worse? How can that ever be used as a negative?
> On top of that, they are now no longer part of the navy, instead, the “Spartan” branch. That just seems silly, the navy was way more badass.
That’s only a personal bias. While I do think the Spartan Branch is poorly structured, it doesn’t degrade the Spartans themselves.
> Spartans should be the peak of physical and mental conditions, and have the armor to match. Halsey was right about the Spartan IVs, in that they are not capable of being true Spartans. “First we taught them how to be silent, then we taught them how to be Spartans.”
The IVs are no pushovers. While they have not proven to be on par with the IIs (personally I don’t think they will nor do I wish them to be), they have shown to be quite effective.
People need to realize that the IVs have had a much different upbringing than the IIs, so their personalities will be much different. Does that excuse some actions we’ve seen so far from Majestic team and Palmer? No. But to claim them of not being “true Spartans,” which is a subjective term, is going a bit far.
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> > The Spartan-IVs serve a different purpose than the previous Spartan generations. The S-IIs were indoctrinated super-soldiers made to combat human insurrection before being co-opted into fighting the Covenant. The S-IIIs were war orphans turned into super-soldiers fueled on vengeance against the Covenant. The S-IVs are normal people in the military who distinguished themselves through experience or potential who have been given the augmentations and MJOLNIR as the next logical step in the Spartan program. There isn’t really a Spartan feeling when each generation wasn’t like the rest. The Spartan-IVs not being able to be real Spartans is one of the issues I would vehemently disagree with Halsey over. Can they be exactly like the IIs or IIIs? No. Should they be? No.
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The Spartan-IIs you may have a point, but some like Fred and Kurt I believe were still sociable with other soldiers. Even Spartan Team Black wasn’t perfect and even had to deal with a love triangle within their ranks. The S-IIIs never really had a chance to communicate with others and most of the time they died before we got to know them, but the dialogue between the Headhunters Jonah and Roland was hardly what I call professional. The heights between the Spartan generations are all pretty consistent, even the S-IVs are as tall as the members of Noble Team sans Jorge who was tall even for an S-II. I can’t argue the superhuman feel, to me the S-IVs feel and seem like superhumans to me, just sans the trauma of the last two generations. Their missions remain the same, protect humanity from the Covies and Innies. Training differs, but most S-IVs carry training they got when they were in the military as well as advanced Spartan training post-augmentations.
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Master chief didn’t say one word like “Spartan oh my gosh =O” or “Who are they”. or something, I mean it funny that master wasn’t surprise and I laugh so at the “WWWWWWHHHHHHAAAAA” I wouldn’t be surprise if that happen. XD
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“Should be special” yesss. I think what he means by plot point is. Humanity had created these gods amongst man now try to recreate those Gods and sadly fall short. If it went the other way around and Spartan IVs were made better than IIs why would we want to play as MC? If 343 did the easy thing and made better Spartans it would take way from kidnapped as child bred for combat that is Spartan IIs