One thing about them has been bugging me ever since I read Glasslands. How is it that they’re able to wear the MJOLNIR Mk. V armor?
In the book Osman, a dropout from the Spartan II program, said she had all the enhancements that her peers did, except for the ceramic bone enhancement. Which she explains is necessary for anyone wearing MJOLNIR; otherwise they’d be crushed by the forces of the suit.
Now the Spartan IIIs were a cheaper version of the Spartan IIs. Meaning they also didn’t have these enhancements which would allow them to wear the armor. So how is that the entirety of Noble Team is equipped with Mk. V armor? The only exception here is Jorge; who is a Spartan II.
They are wearing a weaker version of MJOLNIR, Mark V-. They probably don’t need the enhancements Spartan II’s had to wear the watered-down version of the armour.
SIIIs had all of the enhancements that the IIs had plus two(?) more. The only difference is their training was compressed into a shorter amount of time, they were deployed as shock/suicide soldiers, and had the ability to keep going when even a SII would have entered shock from things such as blood loss and pain. The cheaper aspect of the IIIs was the cheaper armor. Each unit of SPI armor was only a fraction of the price of just one outdated suit of Mark V MJOLNIR
The Spartan IIIs all got all of the same augmentations as the Spartan IIs did, so the stronger bones, the stronger/denser muscles, all of that stuff. The main reason that the Spartan IIs are so expensive is the Mjolnir, and that’s really only the main difference between IIs and IIIs (discipline, experience, other mental things like that might also differ, but physically they are practically the same after going through augmentations), the armor. That is the reason that Spartan IIIs are cheaper to produce, because they’re not all being armed with Mjolnir armor, only a select few who match exactly the criteria that the IIs needed to fit (like Noble Team).
If you pitted a Spartan II and a Spartan III against each other without their armor they would be a completely even match physically. So any of the IIIs can wear Mjolnir, they just don’t because that stuff is -Yoink!- expensive.
As for whether Mark V is a watered down variant or not, no, I don’t believe it is, other than missing the two shoulder pieces and having the Mark V helmet, that’s mainly what the armor is, just a helmet. It’s exactly the same as the proper Mark V armor variant.
> The Spartan IIIs all got all of the same augmentations as the Spartan IIs did, so the stronger bones, the stronger/denser muscles, all of that stuff. The main reason that the Spartan IIs are so expensive is the Mjolnir, and that’s really only the main difference between IIs and IIIs (discipline, experience, other mental things like that might also differ, but physically they are practically the same after going through augmentations), the armor. That is the reason that Spartan IIIs are cheaper to produce, because they’re not all being armed with Mjolnir armor, only a select few who match exactly the criteria that the IIs needed to fit (like Noble Team).
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> <mark>If you pitted a Spartan II and a Spartan III against each other without their armor they would be a completely even match physically.</mark> So any of the IIIs can wear Mjolnir, they just don’t because that stuff is -Yoink!- expensive.
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> As for whether Mark V is a watered down variant or not, no, I don’t believe it is, other than missing the two shoulder pieces and having the Mark V helmet, that’s mainly what the armor is, just a helmet. It’s exactly the same as the proper Mark V armor variant.
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I have to disagree with this statement. The IIs are much older and physically larger. On top of that, they have one thing the IIIs lack: experience. As of right now, I think the IIs would have no problem handling a III in a no armor situation. It’s kinda like a kid wrestling his dad, only the kid and dad have both been genetically engineered to kill a man with the flick of a finger…
They are different in the fact the Spartan IIs were surgically altered while the Spartan IIIs got injections, two minus than the Spartan IIs had.
Where was it said was a weaker variant? If you put a Spartan II and III VS each other it would probably come to the spartan II since they were more focused and disciplined. you also have to factor the fact fights come down to the individual and the Spartan IIs have 20 years on the spartan IIIS and were designed to fight alone as well as a team, the spartan IIIs were not.
I would like to point out that Nylund, in Ghosts of Onyx, depicts Kelly intending to shatter a SPARTAN-III’s arm, except it was completely unphased, much to Kelly’s surprise.
The one augmentation the SPARTAN-IIIs never received was the thyroid implant to accelerate growth, which I find odd. Perhaps the canon records something else being used instead.
You do understand that CHRYSANTHEMUM wasn’t standard for spartan III’s right? I am re-reading GoO right now and GAMMA only got that due to how TORPEDO went down.
> They are different in the fact the Spartan IIs were surgically altered while the Spartan IIIs got injections, two minus than the Spartan IIs had.
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> Where was it said was a weaker variant?
> If you put a Spartan II and III VS each other it would probably come to the spartan II since they were more focused and disciplined. you also have to factor the fact fights come down to the individual and the Spartan IIs have 20 years on the spartan IIIS and were designed to fight alone as well as a team, the spartan IIIs were not.
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It’s been stated loads around the forums. In fact, I think it was you that told me this…
That doesn’t seem like something i would say especially since i am on the side that they shouldn’t be wearing the armor. If you can find a quote of me saying it then so be it though i don’t recall. That seems like something Elder Bias would say and i would just go with it.
Okay, so… You guys are scaring me with how you are messing up the differences. IIs received the same enhancements that the IIIs received only the IIIs got two extra injections. These extra injections were added by Kurt’s orders. They increased the ability of the IIIs to continue fighting by warding off shock and the such. The IIIs required regular treatment to prevent the extra modification from affecting their decision making and to keep them in good health. Both generations received ceramic bone reinforcement. Both received hormone treatment to speed up maturation. At this point, however, the IIIs are MUCH younger than the IIs (still early teens) and are not as matured.
> That doesn’t seem like something i would say especially since i am on the side that they shouldn’t be wearing the armor. If you can find a quote of me saying it then so be it though i don’t recall. That seems like something Elder Bias would say and i would just go with it.
Perhaps I’m mistaken, I’ll find a few quotes and references that support my case.
> You do understand that CHRYSANTHEMUM wasn’t standard for spartan III’s right? I am re-reading GoO right now and GAMMA only got that due to how TORPEDO went down.
They all got it. GAMMA only got a few other drugs the others didn’t receive.
> The one augmentation the SPARTAN-IIIs never received was the thyroid implant to accelerate growth, which I find odd. Perhaps the canon records something else being used instead.
I believe that they injected the Spartan-IIIs with some kind of drug that accelerated puberty before they were augmented, so perhaps over time, the drug had the same effect on them as a thyroid implant would’ve.
You are correct about Gamma being the first to receive the enhanced ability to perform even after exceptionally bad wounds. Alpha’s problem was they didn’t fight as a team in the end. Beta ‘fixed’ that issue, but only Lucy and Tom returned. This is the time that Kurt realized that he needed to do something more for them. Arriving Gamma and their questionable brain altering.
The Mark V worn by Noble Team is 1st Generation Mark V, it was issued in November 2551 to the Spartan II’s and Noble Team. John wears the 2nd Generation Mark V in CE/CEA (The one with the AI compatibility). This was stated by Bungie and 343 already in both one of the weekly updates leading to Reach’s release (about the November 2551 date) and that the Mark V worn by Noble Team and the Spartan II’s until August were prototypes (The 2011 Halo Encyclopedia and Essential Visual Guide) of the one that was issued in August 2552, effectively making them 1st Gen versions and explaining why they are so simple compared to the one in CE/CEA.
