> > > You can’t be serious.
> >
> > As serious as this highly informed post.
>
> I have spammed friends of mine to death who have better aim at all prior Halo games. I know for a fact they are better than I, yet I have won 1v1 fights thanks to bloom randomness while they pace.
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> I have won spam fights in MM with horrendous aim. Fights I know I should have lost. Kills I have literally stolen thanks to bloom.
Then it should be a pretty easy task for you to produce a video then, shouldn’t it?
> > First of all, how is what I have said based on faulty logic? Secondly, using the results of the test, we can see it is NOT IMPOSSIBLE for a player who is considered to be better than another player to lose as a result of the DMR’s randomness because there is a chance that his bullets will miss WHILE ON TARGET and his opponents won’t WHILE ON TARGET. If he is pacing, and his opponent is spamming, there is potential for the opponent to win because the potential kill time of the spammer as opposed to the pacer is enhanced. Due to randomness relevant to the player being at medium-long range away from the spammer, there is potential that the spammer can land 0/5 shots, 1/5 shots, 2/5 shots, 3/5 shots, 4/5 shots or 5/5 shots depending on the random trajectory of the bullets fired. The chance IS there.
> >
> > Let’s say that I am versing you, and let’s say (for argument’s sake) that I am the more skilled player, we are and stay at a medium distance away from eachother, I am pacing, so therefore my quickest potential kill time is 2.2 seconds. You are spamming, and your quickest potential kill time is 1.6 seconds. All of my shots are on target, your spamming results in 5/6 shots (THESE SHOTS WERE TRAVELLING AT RANDOM TRAJECTORIES WITHIN THE DMR’S INNER CIRCLE, AND IT WAS THROUGH LUCK THAT ONLY ONE SHOT MISSED) landing in a time period of 1.92 seconds. This means that, because you got lucky and 5/6 of your shots hit when only 4/4 of mine hit, you got the kill on a player who is more skilled than you because of RANDOMNESS! If you were less lucky, and only 3/7 shots hit in 2.2 seconds, I would have gotten the kill.
> >
> > The results from the test are applied in this scenario. How do you think that they test and design car safety systems? TESTS!
>
> !!!
>
> Saying something isn’t impossible, doesn’t mean it actually happens.
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> It’s not impossible for me to sprout wings and fly then either, I have just yet to do it. You know how silly that sounds?
>
> Find proof that it happens, and then come back.
Not sure if serious.
I really hope not. The guy provided a mathematical explanation of the situation, FACTS in other words. It is possible (or in his words “not impossible”) for someone who isn’t as good to win. He deduced that using the numbers in the system. The FACT that spamming 5 or 6 shots can net you a kill in less time than pacing your 5 perfectly aimed shots. It can happen because there is logic and numbers involved. There is “chance” involved in those numbers and that is the problem.
Your counter argument about sprouting wings is insane and makes me wonder if I just got trolled.
> > > > You can’t be serious.
> > >
> > > As serious as this highly informed post.
> >
> > I have spammed friends of mine to death who have better aim at all prior Halo games. I know for a fact they are better than I, yet I have won 1v1 fights thanks to bloom randomness while they pace.
> >
> > I have won spam fights in MM with horrendous aim. Fights I know I should have lost. Kills I have literally stolen thanks to bloom.
>
> Then it should be a pretty easy task for you to produce a video then, shouldn’t it?
About as easy of a task for you to look back through the replies and see any number of videos showing just that.
> > Not sure if serious.
> >
> > I really hope not. The guy provided a mathematical explanation of the situation, FACTS in other words. It is possible (or in his words “not impossible”) for someone who isn’t as good to win. He deduced that using the numbers in the system. The FACT that spamming 5 or 6 shots can net you a kill in less time than pacing your 5 perfectly aimed shots. It can happen because there is logic and numbers involved. There is “chance” involved in those numbers and that is the problem.
> >
> > Your counter argument about sprouting wings is insane and makes me wonder if I just got trolled.
>
> Forget my analogy used to explain how ridiculous his position is and look at it like this.
>
> If something isn’t impossible, does that mean it still happens?
>
> And if it does happen, why can we not find any proof of it?
>
> AND… what’s with this CRAZY correlation of bloom haters that also hate 13 other things about Halo Reach that are different than the last two games?
>
> huh?
>
> HUH?
>
> Explain that.
> > About as easy of a task for you to look back through the replies and see any number of videos showing just that.
>
> EVERY video posted in this thread has been thoroughly debunked in this thread, other threads, and the comments section of those videos.
>
> Hell, anyone can look at them and see where someone died not because of bloom, but because of skill.
What are you even talking about? The videos show that bloom is a crap shoot, a coin toss, completely random, and a game of luck. The only person that “debunks” the videos is you. I don’t even think you play in playlists in which the DMR is primarily used, such as Team Arena and MLG.
> Is there an uproar about people sprouting wings and flying? No. Way to ignore everything that I have said, all you did is attack some of the wording that I used. I have shown you how it happens. That is all the proof I need. Even if you won’t believe that it happens, you do believe FINALLY that it has the potential to, so you should agree that it is therefore not the optimal system and should be amended so that there is no potential for it to happen.
I’m not ATTACKING anything, or anyone.
I’m DEFENDING the current mechanic by pointing out a lack of evidence which supports your position.
If someone disagrees with you, you call them a troll.
That’s the SAME logic you used when deciding that if something in theory CAN happen then it MUST happen in reality.
> > Not sure if serious.
> >
> > I really hope not. The guy provided a mathematical explanation of the situation, FACTS in other words. It is possible (or in his words “not impossible”) for someone who isn’t as good to win. He deduced that using the numbers in the system. The FACT that spamming 5 or 6 shots can net you a kill in less time than pacing your 5 perfectly aimed shots. It can happen because there is logic and numbers involved. There is “chance” involved in those numbers and that is the problem.
> >
> > Your counter argument about sprouting wings is insane and makes me wonder if I just got trolled.
>
> Forget my analogy used to explain how ridiculous his position is and look at it like this.
>
> If something isn’t impossible, does that mean it still happens?
>
> And if it does happen, why can we not find any proof of it?
>
> AND… what’s with this CRAZY correlation of bloom haters that also hate 13 other things about Halo Reach that are different than the last two games?
>
> huh?
>
> HUH?
>
> Explain that.
But as someone who doesn’t care for Bloom, the only other issue I have with the game is Armor Lock in Match Making, that’s only one thing and you’re also generalizing. If something isn’t impossible, then yes it can still happen, and does. There was a great test done by a Bungie.net user a few months ago where they stood at varying distances and spammed away and recorded over 100 detailed results of how many shots it took to get the kill. In every case there was a small chance of getting a lucky 5 shot by spamming, even at a bigger distance. It can happen, ignoring the match is just that…ignorant.
> > > Is there an uproar about people sprouting wings and flying? No. Way to ignore everything that I have said, all you did is attack some of the wording that I used. I have shown you how it happens. That is all the proof I need. Even if you won’t believe that it happens, you do believe FINALLY that it has the potential to, so you should agree that it is therefore not the optimal system and should be amended so that there is no potential for it to happen.
> >
> > I’m not ATTACKING anything, or anyone.
> >
> > I’m DEFENDING the current mechanic by pointing out a lack of evidence which supports your position.
> >
> > If someone disagrees with you, you call them a troll.
> >
> > That’s the SAME logic you used when deciding that if something in theory CAN happen then it MUST happen in reality.
> >
> > FAULTY LOGIC.
> >
> > NOT attacking, just pointing it out.
>
> If it CAN happen, then why shouldn’t it be changed so that it CAN’T happen? If the system is not optimal because something that shouldn’t happen CAN happen, why not make it optimal?
Exactly. If people are saying just because it CAN happen doesn’t mean it will then logically they wouldn’t notice if the possibility of something they don’t think happens is suddenly removed completely. It would, in theory, satisfy both parties lol
> > > > Is there an uproar about people sprouting wings and flying? No. Way to ignore everything that I have said, all you did is attack some of the wording that I used. I have shown you how it happens. That is all the proof I need. Even if you won’t believe that it happens, you do believe FINALLY that it has the potential to, so you should agree that it is therefore not the optimal system and should be amended so that there is no potential for it to happen.
> > >
> > > I’m not ATTACKING anything, or anyone.
> > >
> > > I’m DEFENDING the current mechanic by pointing out a lack of evidence which supports your position.
> > >
> > > If someone disagrees with you, you call them a troll.
> > >
> > > That’s the SAME logic you used when deciding that if something in theory CAN happen then it MUST happen in reality.
> > >
> > > FAULTY LOGIC.
> > >
> > > NOT attacking, just pointing it out.
> >
> > If it CAN happen, then why shouldn’t it be changed so that it CAN’T happen? If the system is not optimal because something that shouldn’t happen CAN happen, why not make it optimal?
>
> Exactly. If people are saying just because it CAN happen doesn’t mean it will then logically they wouldn’t notice if the possibility of something they don’t think happens is suddenly removed completely. It would, in theory, satisfy both parties lol
If a BK falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
> > > Is there an uproar about people sprouting wings and flying? No. Way to ignore everything that I have said, all you did is attack some of the wording that I used. I have shown you how it happens. That is all the proof I need. Even if you won’t believe that it happens, you do believe FINALLY that it has the potential to, so you should agree that it is therefore not the optimal system and should be amended so that there is no potential for it to happen.
> >
> > I’m not ATTACKING anything, or anyone.
> >
> > I’m DEFENDING the current mechanic by pointing out a lack of evidence which supports your position.
> >
> > If someone disagrees with you, you call them a troll.
> >
> > That’s the SAME logic you used when deciding that if something in theory CAN happen then it MUST happen in reality.
> >
> > FAULTY LOGIC.
> >
> > NOT attacking, just pointing it out.
>
> If it CAN happen, then why shouldn’t it be changed so that it CAN’T happen? If the system is not optimal because something that shouldn’t happen CAN happen, why not make it optimal?
If it doesn’t happen, why put the money/time/effort into changing your beliefs? If you can seriously complain this long and this hard about something that NEVER happens, why should a patch eliminating bloom change your mind at all?
> > > > Is there an uproar about people sprouting wings and flying? No. Way to ignore everything that I have said, all you did is attack some of the wording that I used. I have shown you how it happens. That is all the proof I need. Even if you won’t believe that it happens, you do believe FINALLY that it has the potential to, so you should agree that it is therefore not the optimal system and should be amended so that there is no potential for it to happen.
> > >
> > > I’m not ATTACKING anything, or anyone.
> > >
> > > I’m DEFENDING the current mechanic by pointing out a lack of evidence which supports your position.
> > >
> > > If someone disagrees with you, you call them a troll.
> > >
> > > That’s the SAME logic you used when deciding that if something in theory CAN happen then it MUST happen in reality.
> > >
> > > FAULTY LOGIC.
> > >
> > > NOT attacking, just pointing it out.
> >
> > If it CAN happen, then why shouldn’t it be changed so that it CAN’T happen? If the system is not optimal because something that shouldn’t happen CAN happen, why not make it optimal?
>
> If it doesn’t happen, why put the money/time/effort into changing your beliefs? If you can seriously complain this long and this hard about something that NEVER happens, why should a patch eliminating bloom change your mind at all?
More-over, why are you so against it? If removing bloom wouldn’t change the game as you are implying why do you care so much? Using your logic it would take away the possibility of a situation that according to you doesn’t happen anyways. It would just mathematically rule it out, so what’s the fuss?