Fair enough. That being said, I was mostly talking about the launch window. The relevant metric would have been the playerbase in the first several months compared to one another, not the remaining fans several years later. Hell, even H5G isn’t in the top 50 most of the time.
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> > > > > > > I love Halo. Every single on of them. A return to Classic Halo mechanics would be a mistake. Halo 5 for me had the best MP for me simply because it felt fast, it added depth with verticality, created new player interactions (eg. side dashing an rushing enemy then deciding to clamber and take the high ground and pop them or quickly ground pound them to oblivion or jumping over head then back dashing then popping them in the face plus many more), and it was more immersive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fast forward to Doom Eternal which I think is the best FPG of this generation…and I just don’t understand the desire to go back to early 2000s FPS movement. Doom Eternal mixes so much speed, verticality, level interaction, different ways to kill enemies by applying some of the best parts of past games (Metroid, Halo, Unreal, Quake, etc), I just can’t go backward.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In fact I refuse!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You’re contradicting yourself here. Doom Eternal was widely praised in part due to its succesful modernization of the classic 90s fps formula. It has no sprint for example, yet it feels fast and fluid. Much of what makes Doom Eternal’s gameplay so fun, wouldn’t have been possible if it had sprint. The same goes for Halo. The “depth” argument for Halo 5’s advanced movement mechanics has been debunked several times in this thread, and by Youtubers such as Favyn.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The thing is, we’re not talking about going backwards, we’re talking about going forwards with the fundamentals that made the original trilogy games so good. “Anti-sprinters” want Halo’s gameplay to be more like Doom Eternals’, not Halo 3’s.
> > > > >
> > > > > gears of war has sprint and the best sliding movement ive played in pvp.
> > > >
> > > > How would you feel about being able to shoot while sliding in Infinite? Seems like an innovation while maintaining Halo’s traditional gun-always-up gameplay.
> > >
> > > you can shoot while sliding in infinite, its shown in the demo.
> >
> > Really? I didn’t catch that
>
> yes, just after he drops the shield against the brute. you probably thought it was a thrust because you can now slide the moment you sprint
Maybe being able to crawl under obstacles would be cool as well, like going through vents or debris. You could also have the weapons take a little longer to draw when you’re prone
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> Fair enough. That being said, I was mostly talking about the launch window. The relevant metric would have been the playerbase in the first several months, compared to one another.
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> I mean, not if you go by the population numbers…
i think people were just more willing to give h4 a chance after bungies success. h4 damaged h5’s interest plus it launched on a newish and less adopted console at the time.
this is the best source youre going to get about doom. In early 2017 a year after its release, doom is still nowhere to be seen. Microsoft Store - Top Charts
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> > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > >
> > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > >
> > > > Explain
> > >
> > > no one plays the multiplayer
> >
> > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> >
> > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
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> halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
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> anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
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> > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > >
> > > > > Explain
> > > >
> > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > >
> > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > >
> > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> >
> > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> >
> > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
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> If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
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> > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Explain
> > > > >
> > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > >
> > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > >
> > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > >
> > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > >
> > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> >
> > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
>
> you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
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> > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > >
> > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > >
> > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > >
> > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > >
> > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > >
> > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > >
> > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> >
> > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
>
> But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
>
> If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
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> > > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > > >
> > > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > > >
> > > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > > >
> > > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> > >
> > > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
> >
> > But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
> >
> > If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
>
> no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
>
> there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
So back to my previous comment, why try to bring down DOOM by up it’s multiplayer and the population? If the multiplayer is bad for “sprint” or “BMS” reasons, that’s a claim you’re going to have to back up.
There is a “bad game” with sprint - hence Halo 4, there is a “bad game” without sprint - hence DOOM 2016, and there are good games both with and without sprint.
Wouldn’t the most logical conclusion be that sprint does not make a significant difference on whether a game becomes popular or unpopular?
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> > > > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > > > >
> > > > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > > > >
> > > > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> > > >
> > > > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
> > >
> > > But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
> > >
> > > If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
> >
> > no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
> >
> > there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
>
> So back to my previous comment, why try to bring down DOOM by up it’s multiplayer and the population? If the multiplayer is bad for “sprint” or “BMS” reasons, that’s a claim you’re going to have to back up.
>
> There is a “bad game” with sprint - hence Halo 4, there is a “bad game” without sprint - hence DOOM 2016, and there are good games both with and without sprint.
>
> Wouldn’t the most logical conclusion be that sprint does not make a significant difference on whether a game becomes popular or unpopular?
because i am adding dooms and halo’s weapons into the equation. They are not fun with high bms. if halo had dooms base movement speed it would also be a chaotic mess like doom. Then to fix it, you would have lower halos ttk to make it fun. What you are left with then is a game that plays nothing like classic halo.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> > > > >
> > > > > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
> > > >
> > > > But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
> > > >
> > > > If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
> > >
> > > no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
> > >
> > > there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
> >
> > So back to my previous comment, why try to bring down DOOM by up it’s multiplayer and the population? If the multiplayer is bad for “sprint” or “BMS” reasons, that’s a claim you’re going to have to back up.
> >
> > There is a “bad game” with sprint - hence Halo 4, there is a “bad game” without sprint - hence DOOM 2016, and there are good games both with and without sprint.
> >
> > Wouldn’t the most logical conclusion be that sprint does not make a significant difference on whether a game becomes popular or unpopular?
>
> because i am adding dooms and halo’s weapons into the equation. They are not fun with high bms. if halo had dooms base movement speed it would also be a chaotic mess like doom. Then to fix it, you would have lower halos ttk to make it fun. What you are left with then is a game that plays nothing like classic halo.
Halo 4 and 5 certainly didn’t solve the issue dooms speed in halo would work just fine
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
> > > > >
> > > > > But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
> > > >
> > > > no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
> > > >
> > > > there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
> > >
> > > So back to my previous comment, why try to bring down DOOM by up it’s multiplayer and the population? If the multiplayer is bad for “sprint” or “BMS” reasons, that’s a claim you’re going to have to back up.
> > >
> > > There is a “bad game” with sprint - hence Halo 4, there is a “bad game” without sprint - hence DOOM 2016, and there are good games both with and without sprint.
> > >
> > > Wouldn’t the most logical conclusion be that sprint does not make a significant difference on whether a game becomes popular or unpopular?
> >
> > because i am adding dooms and halo’s weapons into the equation. They are not fun with high bms. if halo had dooms base movement speed it would also be a chaotic mess like doom. Then to fix it, you would have lower halos ttk to make it fun. What you are left with then is a game that plays nothing like classic halo.
>
> Halo 4 and 5 certainly didn’t solve the issue dooms speed in halo would work just fine
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
> > > > >
> > > > > But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
> > > >
> > > > no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
> > > >
> > > > there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
> > >
> > > So back to my previous comment, why try to bring down DOOM by up it’s multiplayer and the population? If the multiplayer is bad for “sprint” or “BMS” reasons, that’s a claim you’re going to have to back up.
> > >
> > > There is a “bad game” with sprint - hence Halo 4, there is a “bad game” without sprint - hence DOOM 2016, and there are good games both with and without sprint.
> > >
> > > Wouldn’t the most logical conclusion be that sprint does not make a significant difference on whether a game becomes popular or unpopular?
> >
> > because i am adding dooms and halo’s weapons into the equation. They are not fun with high bms. if halo had dooms base movement speed it would also be a chaotic mess like doom. Then to fix it, you would have lower halos ttk to make it fun. What you are left with then is a game that plays nothing like classic halo.
>
> Halo 4 and 5 certainly didn’t solve the issue dooms speed in halo would work just fine
h4 and h5, as bad as they are, would be even worse with dooms bms. h4 and h5 still have a little of the classic halo formula in them. halos sprint balance problem was fixed in halo 5 but they added even worse problems like thrusting.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
> > > > >
> > > > > no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
> > > > >
> > > > > there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
> > > >
> > > > So back to my previous comment, why try to bring down DOOM by up it’s multiplayer and the population? If the multiplayer is bad for “sprint” or “BMS” reasons, that’s a claim you’re going to have to back up.
> > > >
> > > > There is a “bad game” with sprint - hence Halo 4, there is a “bad game” without sprint - hence DOOM 2016, and there are good games both with and without sprint.
> > > >
> > > > Wouldn’t the most logical conclusion be that sprint does not make a significant difference on whether a game becomes popular or unpopular?
> > >
> > > because i am adding dooms and halo’s weapons into the equation. They are not fun with high bms. if halo had dooms base movement speed it would also be a chaotic mess like doom. Then to fix it, you would have lower halos ttk to make it fun. What you are left with then is a game that plays nothing like classic halo.
> >
> > Halo 4 and 5 certainly didn’t solve the issue dooms speed in halo would work just fine
>
> h4 and h5, as bad as they are, would be even worse with dooms bms. h4 and h5 still have a little of the classic halo formula in them. halos sprint balance problem was fixed in halo 5 but they added even worse problems like thrusting.
Sprint adds problems and fans like you continue to scramble for solutions that will never fully work, yet BMS has zero issues and fits Halo’s combat loop
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
> > > > >
> > > > > So back to my previous comment, why try to bring down DOOM by up it’s multiplayer and the population? If the multiplayer is bad for “sprint” or “BMS” reasons, that’s a claim you’re going to have to back up.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a “bad game” with sprint - hence Halo 4, there is a “bad game” without sprint - hence DOOM 2016, and there are good games both with and without sprint.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wouldn’t the most logical conclusion be that sprint does not make a significant difference on whether a game becomes popular or unpopular?
> > > >
> > > > because i am adding dooms and halo’s weapons into the equation. They are not fun with high bms. if halo had dooms base movement speed it would also be a chaotic mess like doom. Then to fix it, you would have lower halos ttk to make it fun. What you are left with then is a game that plays nothing like classic halo.
> > >
> > > Halo 4 and 5 certainly didn’t solve the issue dooms speed in halo would work just fine
> >
> > h4 and h5, as bad as they are, would be even worse with dooms bms. h4 and h5 still have a little of the classic halo formula in them. halos sprint balance problem was fixed in halo 5 but they added even worse problems like thrusting.
>
> Sprint adds problems and fans like you continue to scramble for solutions that will never fully work, yet BMS has zero issues and fits Halo’s combat loop
its possible to add sprint onto standard bms and have 0 issues. Not only that, it can make the game more fun when you add things like infinites slide.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So back to my previous comment, why try to bring down DOOM by up it’s multiplayer and the population? If the multiplayer is bad for “sprint” or “BMS” reasons, that’s a claim you’re going to have to back up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is a “bad game” with sprint - hence Halo 4, there is a “bad game” without sprint - hence DOOM 2016, and there are good games both with and without sprint.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wouldn’t the most logical conclusion be that sprint does not make a significant difference on whether a game becomes popular or unpopular?
> > > > >
> > > > > because i am adding dooms and halo’s weapons into the equation. They are not fun with high bms. if halo had dooms base movement speed it would also be a chaotic mess like doom. Then to fix it, you would have lower halos ttk to make it fun. What you are left with then is a game that plays nothing like classic halo.
> > > >
> > > > Halo 4 and 5 certainly didn’t solve the issue dooms speed in halo would work just fine
> > >
> > > h4 and h5, as bad as they are, would be even worse with dooms bms. h4 and h5 still have a little of the classic halo formula in them. halos sprint balance problem was fixed in halo 5 but they added even worse problems like thrusting.
> >
> > Sprint adds problems and fans like you continue to scramble for solutions that will never fully work, yet BMS has zero issues and fits Halo’s combat loop
>
> its possible to add sprint onto standard bms and have 0 issues. Not only that, it can make the game more fun when you add things like infinites slide.
No, its not. You have to adjust everything on the map to ensure that players don’t reach certain points before they’re supposed to. Why do you think all the Power Weapons in Arena multiplayer are on 30 second respawn timers at the start of the match? Or that maps in Halo 5 feel so much larger than maps in prior Halo games?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So back to my previous comment, why try to bring down DOOM by up it’s multiplayer and the population? If the multiplayer is bad for “sprint” or “BMS” reasons, that’s a claim you’re going to have to back up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is a “bad game” with sprint - hence Halo 4, there is a “bad game” without sprint - hence DOOM 2016, and there are good games both with and without sprint.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wouldn’t the most logical conclusion be that sprint does not make a significant difference on whether a game becomes popular or unpopular?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > because i am adding dooms and halo’s weapons into the equation. They are not fun with high bms. if halo had dooms base movement speed it would also be a chaotic mess like doom. Then to fix it, you would have lower halos ttk to make it fun. What you are left with then is a game that plays nothing like classic halo.
> > > > >
> > > > > Halo 4 and 5 certainly didn’t solve the issue dooms speed in halo would work just fine
> > > >
> > > > h4 and h5, as bad as they are, would be even worse with dooms bms. h4 and h5 still have a little of the classic halo formula in them. halos sprint balance problem was fixed in halo 5 but they added even worse problems like thrusting.
> > >
> > > Sprint adds problems and fans like you continue to scramble for solutions that will never fully work, yet BMS has zero issues and fits Halo’s combat loop
> >
> > its possible to add sprint onto standard bms and have 0 issues. Not only that, it can make the game more fun when you add things like infinites slide.
>
> No, its not. You have to adjust everything on the map to ensure that players don’t reach certain points before they’re supposed to. Why do you think all the Power Weapons in Arena multiplayer are on 30 second respawn timers at the start of the match? Or that maps in Halo 5 feel so much larger than maps in prior Halo games?
same reason they put markers on them. To help new players.
are maps actually larger? the problem with classic maps is that some where ridiculously small like heretic.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So back to my previous comment, why try to bring down DOOM by up it’s multiplayer and the population? If the multiplayer is bad for “sprint” or “BMS” reasons, that’s a claim you’re going to have to back up.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is a “bad game” with sprint - hence Halo 4, there is a “bad game” without sprint - hence DOOM 2016, and there are good games both with and without sprint.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wouldn’t the most logical conclusion be that sprint does not make a significant difference on whether a game becomes popular or unpopular?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > because i am adding dooms and halo’s weapons into the equation. They are not fun with high bms. if halo had dooms base movement speed it would also be a chaotic mess like doom. Then to fix it, you would have lower halos ttk to make it fun. What you are left with then is a game that plays nothing like classic halo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Halo 4 and 5 certainly didn’t solve the issue dooms speed in halo would work just fine
> > > > >
> > > > > h4 and h5, as bad as they are, would be even worse with dooms bms. h4 and h5 still have a little of the classic halo formula in them. halos sprint balance problem was fixed in halo 5 but they added even worse problems like thrusting.
> > > >
> > > > Sprint adds problems and fans like you continue to scramble for solutions that will never fully work, yet BMS has zero issues and fits Halo’s combat loop
> > >
> > > its possible to add sprint onto standard bms and have 0 issues. Not only that, it can make the game more fun when you add things like infinites slide.
> >
> > No, its not. You have to adjust everything on the map to ensure that players don’t reach certain points before they’re supposed to. Why do you think all the Power Weapons in Arena multiplayer are on 30 second respawn timers at the start of the match? Or that maps in Halo 5 feel so much larger than maps in prior Halo games?
>
> same reason they put markers on them. To help new players.
>
> are maps actually larger? the problem with classic maps is that some where ridiculously small like heretic.
>
> is the rig smaller than the pit stop from halo 3?
don’t need markers if the map is straight forward, and it’s common knowledge classic maps play far better than any of the new ones
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So back to my previous comment, why try to bring down DOOM by up it’s multiplayer and the population? If the multiplayer is bad for “sprint” or “BMS” reasons, that’s a claim you’re going to have to back up.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is a “bad game” with sprint - hence Halo 4, there is a “bad game” without sprint - hence DOOM 2016, and there are good games both with and without sprint.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wouldn’t the most logical conclusion be that sprint does not make a significant difference on whether a game becomes popular or unpopular?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > because i am adding dooms and halo’s weapons into the equation. They are not fun with high bms. if halo had dooms base movement speed it would also be a chaotic mess like doom. Then to fix it, you would have lower halos ttk to make it fun. What you are left with then is a game that plays nothing like classic halo.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Halo 4 and 5 certainly didn’t solve the issue dooms speed in halo would work just fine
> > > > > >
> > > > > > h4 and h5, as bad as they are, would be even worse with dooms bms. h4 and h5 still have a little of the classic halo formula in them. halos sprint balance problem was fixed in halo 5 but they added even worse problems like thrusting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sprint adds problems and fans like you continue to scramble for solutions that will never fully work, yet BMS has zero issues and fits Halo’s combat loop
> > > >
> > > > its possible to add sprint onto standard bms and have 0 issues. Not only that, it can make the game more fun when you add things like infinites slide.
> > >
> > > No, its not. You have to adjust everything on the map to ensure that players don’t reach certain points before they’re supposed to. Why do you think all the Power Weapons in Arena multiplayer are on 30 second respawn timers at the start of the match? Or that maps in Halo 5 feel so much larger than maps in prior Halo games?
> >
> > same reason they put markers on them. To help new players.
> >
> > are maps actually larger? the problem with classic maps is that some where ridiculously small like heretic.
> >
> > is the rig smaller than the pit stop from halo 3?
>
> don’t need markers if the map is straight forward, and it’s common knowledge classic maps play far better than any of the new ones
of course h5 maps played worse. the core gameplay sucks.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So back to my previous comment, why try to bring down DOOM by up it’s multiplayer and the population? If the multiplayer is bad for “sprint” or “BMS” reasons, that’s a claim you’re going to have to back up.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There is a “bad game” with sprint - hence Halo 4, there is a “bad game” without sprint - hence DOOM 2016, and there are good games both with and without sprint.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Wouldn’t the most logical conclusion be that sprint does not make a significant difference on whether a game becomes popular or unpopular?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > because i am adding dooms and halo’s weapons into the equation. They are not fun with high bms. if halo had dooms base movement speed it would also be a chaotic mess like doom. Then to fix it, you would have lower halos ttk to make it fun. What you are left with then is a game that plays nothing like classic halo.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Halo 4 and 5 certainly didn’t solve the issue dooms speed in halo would work just fine
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > h4 and h5, as bad as they are, would be even worse with dooms bms. h4 and h5 still have a little of the classic halo formula in them. halos sprint balance problem was fixed in halo 5 but they added even worse problems like thrusting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sprint adds problems and fans like you continue to scramble for solutions that will never fully work, yet BMS has zero issues and fits Halo’s combat loop
> > > > >
> > > > > its possible to add sprint onto standard bms and have 0 issues. Not only that, it can make the game more fun when you add things like infinites slide.
> > > >
> > > > No, its not. You have to adjust everything on the map to ensure that players don’t reach certain points before they’re supposed to. Why do you think all the Power Weapons in Arena multiplayer are on 30 second respawn timers at the start of the match? Or that maps in Halo 5 feel so much larger than maps in prior Halo games?
> > >
> > > same reason they put markers on them. To help new players.
> > >
> > > are maps actually larger? the problem with classic maps is that some where ridiculously small like heretic.
> > >
> > > is the rig smaller than the pit stop from halo 3?
> >
> > don’t need markers if the map is straight forward, and it’s common knowledge classic maps play far better than any of the new ones
>
> of course h5 maps played worse. the core gameplay sucks.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve said this before and I will say it again doom 2016 gameplay in halo would be better than sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dooms multiplayer says otherwise
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no one plays the multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be fair, I actually played DOOM 2016’s multiplayer after all the changes were made and the DLC was made free, and I loved every second of it. Not only that, I was finding matches very fast during that time, implying many others liked it, too. I initially played it for the achievements, but I loved it so much that I went the extra mile and achieved max rank (which was about as difficult as it was in Halo 4).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the multiplayer is far from perfect, if I had to choose between DOOM and Halo 4 multiplayer, I would probably choose DOOM.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > halo 5 is more popular, so it kinda defeats the other guys sprint argument
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything is better than halo 4’s multiplayer
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we’re able to so easily separate Halo 5’s Campaign and Multiplayer with two different opinions, why can’t the same be done for DOOM 2016?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can but we’re talking about multiplayer and how sprint “ruins” it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > But are you going to say that the lack of sprint “ruined” DOOM 2016’s multiplayer?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you’re not, then what’s the point of trying to bring up the quality of DOOM’s multiplayer specifically or the population playing it?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > no, im saying high bms is a mediocre starting mechanic for dooms or halos weapons in pvp.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > there are plenty of good games without sprint, its all about balance.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So back to my previous comment, why try to bring down DOOM by up it’s multiplayer and the population? If the multiplayer is bad for “sprint” or “BMS” reasons, that’s a claim you’re going to have to back up.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > There is a “bad game” with sprint - hence Halo 4, there is a “bad game” without sprint - hence DOOM 2016, and there are good games both with and without sprint.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn’t the most logical conclusion be that sprint does not make a significant difference on whether a game becomes popular or unpopular?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > because i am adding dooms and halo’s weapons into the equation. They are not fun with high bms. if halo had dooms base movement speed it would also be a chaotic mess like doom. Then to fix it, you would have lower halos ttk to make it fun. What you are left with then is a game that plays nothing like classic halo.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Halo 4 and 5 certainly didn’t solve the issue dooms speed in halo would work just fine
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > h4 and h5, as bad as they are, would be even worse with dooms bms. h4 and h5 still have a little of the classic halo formula in them. halos sprint balance problem was fixed in halo 5 but they added even worse problems like thrusting.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sprint adds problems and fans like you continue to scramble for solutions that will never fully work, yet BMS has zero issues and fits Halo’s combat loop
> > > > > >
> > > > > > its possible to add sprint onto standard bms and have 0 issues. Not only that, it can make the game more fun when you add things like infinites slide.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, its not. You have to adjust everything on the map to ensure that players don’t reach certain points before they’re supposed to. Why do you think all the Power Weapons in Arena multiplayer are on 30 second respawn timers at the start of the match? Or that maps in Halo 5 feel so much larger than maps in prior Halo games?
> > > >
> > > > same reason they put markers on them. To help new players.
> > > >
> > > > are maps actually larger? the problem with classic maps is that some where ridiculously small like heretic.
> > > >
> > > > is the rig smaller than the pit stop from halo 3?
> > >
> > > don’t need markers if the map is straight forward, and it’s common knowledge classic maps play far better than any of the new ones
> >
> > of course h5 maps played worse. the core gameplay sucks.
>
> thanks to sprint and extra abilities