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> > The same couple of people will continue to skew the issue by pretending that no one has presented good reasons to keep sprint in Halo, when the reality is that you and so many others in these forums are just more responsible about posting your ideas; rather than just sticking around forever just to fight everyone who disagrees with you on the issue.
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> No need to pretend when you genuinely think the reasons aren’t good. I’m not really sure why you need to tell yourself that the opponents of sprint secretly think there are good reasons to include sprint, but don’t want to admit it it. Wouldn’t it be simpler to just admit that what feels like a good reason to some, may not be a good reason to someone else?
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> If you had paid more attention, you would’ve noticed that the opponents and defenders of sprint (generally speaking) approach the topic from fundamentally different points of view. The defenders like to talk about how it makes them feel: how it’s immersive, how it makes them feel more like a Spartan, how it makes the game feel faster. On the other hand, the opponents come more from the point of gameplay and skill. They talk about how it makes escaping easier, how it doesn’t introduce any meaningful tactical decisions, how it breaks the interplay between movement and combat. An opponent of sprint will never be impressed by arguments based on feelings, because sprint doesn’t make them feel them same way, or they don’t consider those feelings as very important parts of the game compared to other things.
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> People give up too easily when they realize that they’re unlikely to make anyone change their minds. I don’t think that should discourage anyone. As I said previously, having a debate is about learning to explain your beliefs, and putting them to the test. You’re never going to make that single, amazing post that magically makes everyone agree with you. But if you stick around long enough, and are ready to be honest with yourself, you might find how sustainable your own opinions are, and you might learn something in the long run. Of course, this approach presumes that you are interested in things other than just converting others.
I understand where you’re coming from. To me, however, I do not believe that responding to every opinion should be considered a requirement to justify reasons for liking sprint in Halo.
I also disagree with the suggestion that I haven’t been paying attention. This issue is very important to me and I’ve read quite a bit on this ongoing debate. What I’ve noticed from reading several hundreds pages of this debate is that anti sprinters build this belief that just because pro sprinters don’t continue to engage them on every point in their never ending argument about their preference on this game mechanic that they somehow beat them.
There are a multitude examples in the sprint thread from pro sprinters that go into vast detail on the benefits of sprint from so many well thought out perspectives (To include mechanical/gameplay perspectives, to clips posted of gameplay examples where sprint benefited players, statements from Bungie and 343i defending sprint in Halo, etc), but antisprinters just “outlast,” them (for lack of better words) with their never ending desire to argue about this issue; which ultimately boils down to personal preference (at the core level).
Take The Ragin Pagan for example: this person (like so many other pro sprinters who have frequented the sprint debate) has come here and provided multiple sound reasoning for their justification for sprint to remain in Halo. They even hung around and replied to anti sprinters multiple times to constructively debate the issue. But when that person eventually rolls out to avoid going round and round in circular arguments; those same anti sprinter diehards will continue to pretend that The Ragin Pagan’s pro sprint arguments somehow didn’t exist in the first place. I understand that anti sprinters are not going to agree with many (if any) pro sprint arguments but they do exists and are well substantiated with support from the community, Bungie, and 343i over the decade that sprint has existed in Halo.
That same small group of anti sprinters just continue to hang around to routinely fight with anyone and everyone who provides reasoning for sprint to remain in Halo, just to flip back around again to try and assert that solid reasoning for keeping sprint in Halo hasn’t been provided.
But pro sprinters have repeatedly stated why sprint is good for Halo, and the reasons go beyond just lore, immersion, and feelings; albeit even if those are the reasons then so be it. For example, if a player likes playing Halo because they want to feel like a Spartan and sprint helps them on that then their reply with “I like sprint because it makes me feel like a Spartan,” should be considered a justifiable argument. You, and other antisprinters clearly don’t like it but it doesn’t make it any less credible than your desire for your preference in game mechanics.
furthermore if people want the nauseating screen bob that is tied to sprinting, it can also be put on BMS for “immersion”. It’s an effect, it’s not exclusive to the sprint animation. Some don’t actially know how mechanics work, and in turn don’t know what they actually want and can/will be surprised to see another method actually work out just the same, or even better.
Sometimes flipping sides is what makes the other see the others point, plus maybe they’ll learn what they say previously wasn’t the best thing to say. Kind of defeats the purpose to want a new game built on classic play only to then be told to play what’s already been played wouldn’t you think? Furthermore it can easily go both ways, that’s how lackluster that thinking is and of course it’s revenge oriented, it’s asanine of people to say that when they’re missing the point lol. I want a new game, I don’t want to play something that I’ve put thousands of hours into just as I’m sure people wouldn’t want to do with H4/H5. So damn right it’s revenge as maybe they’ll learn what they’re actually saying makes no sense 