The return of classic movement mechanics?

Games Halo Infinite
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> I don’t really know how to take it.
> You pull numbers out of thin air.
> Only regard this forum as a means to reach out to i343, when there are several other channels.
> Think that only a few handful of people now and then have expressed desires for a classic playlist.
> Believe there aren’t those who have made detailed lists of how they want a classic playlist to function.Also, you’ve been told that a Classic Playlist is a sub-optimal solution. It’s a watered down version of a game, designed around the disabled elements.

then share your solution where both side’s can agree with that the players that hate sprint can agree with and also the players that like sprint to stay in the game.
so far its Basic moving speed boosting, a classic playlist with classic settings, you have the halo reach option with armor abilety’s.
then come with more idea’s then that where both side’s can agree with and not only from one side can agree with.

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> Why must i343 listen to you and pro-sprinters?
> Why should they ignore us?
> That goes both ways.You’re free to like sprint all you want, that’s subjective.

343 most listing to both side’s not only to one side.
if there listing to both side’s then there can think good about how there make both side’s happy with a way there both most accept and to deal with and thats something a problem for some off the players since there are allways some players not happy since its there way only and notting else.
why you think a seperat playlist for both side’s is better to make then happy.

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> Ah yes, let’s ignore the Halo fan projects like Installaion 01 and Project Contingency.
> The not so good rep i343 got when they released MCC.
> The, from what I see atleast, big anticipations of MCC coming to PC.
> And all the other channels of communication available.Yeah, the only way of getting a dedicated Classic Playlist, is in a single thread with more than 50 supporters, on this forum.
> Otherwise there’s no way there are people who could be interested in a Classic Playlist.

the MCC was a good fail at the start since you got 5 titels in one game and also 4 diffrend matchmaking maps and game mode’s that need to work good.
thats something there have learn from it and doing it right on the PC version with release titel for titel.
343 has fix all the problems from the 5 titels and i not seeing other game’s doing the same that there are releasing 5 titels in 1 game that has a campaign and multiplayer mode for all the titels.
i see other company’s not doing it that release a game with 5 titels on 1 disc with campaign’s and multiplayer option on 1 disc also.
now think is smart little.
there are 10-15 players asking for a playlist there wane see add in halo 5 lets go for invasion game type.
then you get maybe if you are luck 2 lobby’s full with players.
do you think then there gone add a game type only for 15 players that wane play it.
thats why you need a large nummor off support to show then there is a big group that wane play that type game type or playlist and then you get a chance that there adding it first for a time limit to see how much the population is and if its high then it will stay maybe and if its low then its gone.
but like i have told you have somebody try it all with a large nummors off support no so far only few have try it and thats something you see there not gone do since the support for it is low.

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> > > I’m beginning to think the understanding thing goes both ways. But literally just look at the reception towards Sprint in reach, 4, and 5! It was really hated, stop being blind to the fact that the community doesn’t like Sprint, DUH there are people that like Sprint. It’s really obvious, but more of the community hated Sprint than not, why do you keep on arguing otherwise? Stop denying the truth. I can totally accept your opinion that you like Sprint, and I respect that… In fact, we could have a really good argument about how Sprint could be changed or if we should keep it. But when you’re just straight up denying the truth, fibbing about statistics, it’s not cool, so accept the fact that MOST of the community… I repeat MOST of the community wants sprint gone. Accept the truth, stop arguing that Sprint was and is popular, CUZ IT WASN’T. And start making your argument at why Sprint is awesome FOR YOU. Seriously… The fact that I have to say this. And watch… You won’t understand again, and you’ll keep on making this useless argument that is statistically wrong.
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> > lets keep it this way more.
> > from the 100% of all the comunnety members.
> > 20% from then wane remove sprint from halo.
> > 20% from then wane see sprint stay in halo.
> > and the other 60% not gone share there meaning about it since if there to and others not like it then there got hate more for there own opinion or there think its a stupid thing but i not know what there are thinking real and the reason why there not sharing it since i not care about what there think.
> > and the reason i quote some off the things back on that post was easy to show you that its all wrong.
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> > and i am not blind and i understand it good there are players that hate sprint in halo thats something not new.
> > why most 343 listing to then the players that hate sprint and most follow then if there is also a group that like’s sprint and 343 most ignore then since there are wrong?
> > is the reason the players that hate sprint and it most be remove for then that there are telling the truth about how halo really most look like and that others that are thinking something else are wrong.
> > i told this also to Naqser that if there are lot off players that hate sprint wane play without sprint then why you not gone request with a big nummor off comunnety players for a classic rule’s playlist in halo.
> > and if you ask it has been try yea it has been try on halo 4 and halo 5 but if the support for it is low and you not get a lot off communety members supporting it and show to 343 there is a big group off players that wane play in classic settings then why you not have support the threads for asking a classic playlist on halo 4 and halo 5 the threads i have see about are showing only 10/15 players wane see a classic playlist but thats to low if it was 50+ off players then it was diffrend but since a lot off players not have done it and now are blaming to 343 there not listing to then why you not have support that idea and most destroy the game for all players in general.
> > if halo 6 has more old school mechanic’s and notting new then i and lot off others not gone buy the new halo then its better to wast my money more on the new COD game.
> > since i not gone play a new game with old school mechanic’s and thats something 343 also know old school way’s are not allways the best thing to fix a problem.
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> Dude…c’mon. A classic playlist isn’t going to solve the problem. If the game is designed to play with sprint, classic fans still wouldn’t be satisfied because:
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> 1: Weapon sandbox and aim assist. Notice how in Halo 5 a lot more weapons fire projectiles that home in on targets. Suppressor, boltshot, needler, hunter arm, hydra, etc, they are made to track targets because it’s harder to hit players with advanced movement such as sprint if guns like the suppressor act like they did in Halo 4. Same with explosives. Since explosions of previous games can now be easily avoided with sprint and thrust, they had to be made bigger to accommodate for the advanced movement. The aim assist is also increased so hitting a sprinting player doesn’t become completely impossible. If you make a playlist with classic movement without also adjusting these factors, the gameplay is gonna be broken as hell, and NOT a suitable substitute for a full-on classic game.
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> Nobody supported classic playlists in Halo 4 and 5 because the weapons and aiming weren’t designed for classic gameplay and so it would play terribly. Grenades and rockets in Halo 5’s H3 throwback playlist are impossible to avoid because of how gigantic the explosions are.
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> 2: Maps. They have to be stretched out to accommodate for sprint, so just having a playlist without it would not play well at all. “Just give them Forge maps,” you say? Forge maps are never as good as developer-made maps, just look at Halo 5’s Big Team Battle community. To an extreme, they feel 343 doesn’t care about them enough to actually make dev maps and instead makes the community do the work for them through Forge. No doubt, those looking for a classic experience in Infinite would feel the same way as these BTB players, especially if this is all they’re gonna get in terms of support for the playlist.
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> 3: Campaign. One of my favorite campaigns gameplay-wise is Halo CE. One of the things I like about it is I never feel like I’m going too slow, I always get somewhere at just the right speed, never once wishing I could sprint. Put simply, I really just want a campaign with classic movement again, and your little solution doesn’t satisfy those who want the same.
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> Sorry for intruding on your argument, guys, I’ve been following it for a while and wanted share my thoughts. Peace.

what is then a good fix go back to full classic and that it most stay forever classic and not have anything modern in the game?
thats only good if you not wane have any new players play the game then its a good fix.
but since you need to have new players also playing the game that means also you most make the game modern with some new mechanic’s and other things.
and about the remake maps from halo 5 if the original maps from halo 3 halo reach and halo 4 are in scale larger then in halo 5 then its the worst remake thats for sure.
for a remake you need to have also the same scale like halo 4 has done with valhalla map from halo 3 the remake was good and also the scale was good and thats now a good remake but if you look at halo 4 longbow and the halo 5 version off it Glacier Recurve then the scale is smaller then the original was on halo 4.
for the campaign is a easy fix but then again some others hate it also and thats the halo reach armor abilty’s in campaign.
but then you need to chance the campaign maps also.

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> > I don’t really know how to take it.
> > You pull numbers out of thin air.
> > Only regard this forum as a means to reach out to i343, when there are several other channels.
> > Think that only a few handful of people now and then have expressed desires for a classic playlist.
> > Believe there aren’t those who have made detailed lists of how they want a classic playlist to function.Also, you’ve been told that a Classic Playlist is a sub-optimal solution. It’s a watered down version of a game, designed around the disabled elements.
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> then share your solution where both side’s can agree with that the players that hate sprint can agree with and also the players that like sprint to stay in the game.
> so far its Basic moving speed boosting, a classic playlist with classic settings, you have the halo reach option with armor abilety’s.
> then come with more idea’s then that where both side’s can agree with and not only from one side can agree with.
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> > Why must i343 listen to you and pro-sprinters?
> > Why should they ignore us?
> > That goes both ways.You’re free to like sprint all you want, that’s subjective.
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> 343 most listing to both side’s not only to one side.
> if there listing to both side’s then there can think good about how there make both side’s happy with a way there both most accept and to deal with and thats something a problem for some off the players since there are allways some players not happy since its there way only and notting else.
> why you think a seperat playlist for both side’s is better to make then happy.

Well I know I’ve ruled out one solution… LISTENING TO YOU. And… Quote:“343 most listen to both side’s not only to one side.” But 343 has listened to advanced movement supporters, and look how that turned out, they’ve ignored us for too long. They need to listen to classic movement supporters, and then make a happy medium. Besides, most of us would be fine if they just took away Sprint, as it is the MOST game changing.

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> > > I don’t really know how to take it.
> > > You pull numbers out of thin air.
> > > Only regard this forum as a means to reach out to i343, when there are several other channels.
> > > Think that only a few handful of people now and then have expressed desires for a classic playlist.
> > > Believe there aren’t those who have made detailed lists of how they want a classic playlist to function.Also, you’ve been told that a Classic Playlist is a sub-optimal solution. It’s a watered down version of a game, designed around the disabled elements.
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> > then share your solution where both side’s can agree with that the players that hate sprint can agree with and also the players that like sprint to stay in the game.
> > so far its Basic moving speed boosting, a classic playlist with classic settings, you have the halo reach option with armor abilety’s.
> > then come with more idea’s then that where both side’s can agree with and not only from one side can agree with.
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> > > Why must i343 listen to you and pro-sprinters?
> > > Why should they ignore us?
> > > That goes both ways.You’re free to like sprint all you want, that’s subjective.
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> > 343 most listing to both side’s not only to one side.
> > if there listing to both side’s then there can think good about how there make both side’s happy with a way there both most accept and to deal with and thats something a problem for some off the players since there are allways some players not happy since its there way only and notting else.
> > why you think a seperat playlist for both side’s is better to make then happy.
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> Well I know I’ve ruled out one solution… LISTENING TO YOU. And… Quote:“343 most listen to both side’s not only to one side.” But 343 has listened to advanced movement supporters, and look how that turned out, they’ve ignored us for too long. They need to listen to classic movement supporters, and then make a happy medium. Besides, most of us would be fine if they just took away Sprint, as it is the MOST game changing.

the classic movement supporters are good way to drive new players away to game’s like cod and battlefield and APEX.
and most off the classic supporters only think there own way what is good for the game and not what others think about it and let me tell this also to you.
and if there still ingore you classic supporters and there showing on the E3 its has still sprint what you gone do then blame 343 again for not lissting or do you stop play halo for good since there not care about the classic supporters if there show on the E3 that halo 6 has still a lot off modern mechanic’s and not going back to old school.

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> > > > I don’t really know how to take it.
> > > > You pull numbers out of thin air.
> > > > Only regard this forum as a means to reach out to i343, when there are several other channels.
> > > > Think that only a few handful of people now and then have expressed desires for a classic playlist.
> > > > Believe there aren’t those who have made detailed lists of how they want a classic playlist to function.Also, you’ve been told that a Classic Playlist is a sub-optimal solution. It’s a watered down version of a game, designed around the disabled elements.
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> > > then share your solution where both side’s can agree with that the players that hate sprint can agree with and also the players that like sprint to stay in the game.
> > > so far its Basic moving speed boosting, a classic playlist with classic settings, you have the halo reach option with armor abilety’s.
> > > then come with more idea’s then that where both side’s can agree with and not only from one side can agree with.
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> > > > Why must i343 listen to you and pro-sprinters?
> > > > Why should they ignore us?
> > > > That goes both ways.You’re free to like sprint all you want, that’s subjective.
> > >
> > > 343 most listing to both side’s not only to one side.
> > > if there listing to both side’s then there can think good about how there make both side’s happy with a way there both most accept and to deal with and thats something a problem for some off the players since there are allways some players not happy since its there way only and notting else.
> > > why you think a seperat playlist for both side’s is better to make then happy.
> >
> > Well I know I’ve ruled out one solution… LISTENING TO YOU. And… Quote:“343 most listen to both side’s not only to one side.” But 343 has listened to advanced movement supporters, and look how that turned out, they’ve ignored us for too long. They need to listen to classic movement supporters, and then make a happy medium. Besides, most of us would be fine if they just took away Sprint, as it is the MOST game changing.
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> the classic movement supporters are good way to drive new players away to game’s like cod and battlefield and APEX.
> and most off the classic supporters only think there own way what is good for the game and not what others think about it and let me tell this also to you.
> and if there still ingore you classic supporters and there showing on the E3 its has still sprint what you gone do then blame 343 again for not lissting or do you stop play halo for good since there not care about the classic supporters if there show on the E3 that halo 6 has still a lot off modern mechanic’s and not going back to old school.

Yet if they were to remove Sprint (and only Sprint apparently, not any of the more “modern” features), you would leave and not buy the game because you’d think 343i was ignoring you.

By your own definition, 343 isn’t listening to both sides no matter what.

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I think certain things should be kept from the newer games but they should probably get rid of the Spartan Melee dash and the ground pound
I think we should have what’s best from the old and new and maybe instead of sprint just make the movement speed as fast as Halo 2.
Sorry if I butchered some ability names lol
But the old should come back in some form but we have to keep in mind how much the games have changed and the video game industry as a whole

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> > > > > I don’t really know how to take it.
> > > > > You pull numbers out of thin air.
> > > > > Only regard this forum as a means to reach out to i343, when there are several other channels.
> > > > > Think that only a few handful of people now and then have expressed desires for a classic playlist.
> > > > > Believe there aren’t those who have made detailed lists of how they want a classic playlist to function.Also, you’ve been told that a Classic Playlist is a sub-optimal solution. It’s a watered down version of a game, designed around the disabled elements.
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> > > > then share your solution where both side’s can agree with that the players that hate sprint can agree with and also the players that like sprint to stay in the game.
> > > > so far its Basic moving speed boosting, a classic playlist with classic settings, you have the halo reach option with armor abilety’s.
> > > > then come with more idea’s then that where both side’s can agree with and not only from one side can agree with.
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> > > > > Why must i343 listen to you and pro-sprinters?
> > > > > Why should they ignore us?
> > > > > That goes both ways.You’re free to like sprint all you want, that’s subjective.
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> > > > 343 most listing to both side’s not only to one side.
> > > > if there listing to both side’s then there can think good about how there make both side’s happy with a way there both most accept and to deal with and thats something a problem for some off the players since there are allways some players not happy since its there way only and notting else.
> > > > why you think a seperat playlist for both side’s is better to make then happy.
> > >
> > > Well I know I’ve ruled out one solution… LISTENING TO YOU. And… Quote:“343 most listen to both side’s not only to one side.” But 343 has listened to advanced movement supporters, and look how that turned out, they’ve ignored us for too long. They need to listen to classic movement supporters, and then make a happy medium. Besides, most of us would be fine if they just took away Sprint, as it is the MOST game changing.
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> > the classic movement supporters are good way to drive new players away to game’s like cod and battlefield and APEX.
> > and most off the classic supporters only think there own way what is good for the game and not what others think about it and let me tell this also to you.
> > and if there still ingore you classic supporters and there showing on the E3 its has still sprint what you gone do then blame 343 again for not lissting or do you stop play halo for good since there not care about the classic supporters if there show on the E3 that halo 6 has still a lot off modern mechanic’s and not going back to old school.
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> Yet if they were to remove Sprint (and only Sprint apparently, not any of the more “modern” features), you would leave and not buy the game because you’d think 343i was ignoring you.
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> By your own definition, 343 isn’t listening to both sides no matter what.

give me 1 good reason why 343 most listing only to the old players and not have to think about the new players also since you also know classic stuff only is not good for bringing new players to this game and like you know then has the contract for 30 years there got also no use more if there not can bring new players to the game thats why you need modern things to get new players to the game.
and the only reason cod is doing good is there promote the game in all country’s like the EU and what you know halo is not doing it maybe only in the UK but in other country’s there is notting to see about halo then the game maybe thats there big mistake there have not done is to promote it on facebook and other site’s and on tv’s in other country’s.

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What makes you think that gaming trends build up on one another and follow a linear path?
Battle Royal is among the most popular gaming trends tight now despite ditching Loadouts, which have become industiy standard eversince CoD4.
Heroshooter are breaking with both the loadout-trend and the history of everyone having the same base traits.
If done right, classic gameplay could appeal to new players just as much as to the old ones. For us old guys, it’s a return to what we “fell in love with” for the next generation, it could be ne next new big thing.

One think I totally agree with you though: if 343/MS wants Halo to succeed, they need to realize that there are players outside the US…

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> > > > > > I don’t really know how to take it.
> > > > > > You pull numbers out of thin air.
> > > > > > Only regard this forum as a means to reach out to i343, when there are several other channels.
> > > > > > Think that only a few handful of people now and then have expressed desires for a classic playlist.
> > > > > > Believe there aren’t those who have made detailed lists of how they want a classic playlist to function.Also, you’ve been told that a Classic Playlist is a sub-optimal solution. It’s a watered down version of a game, designed around the disabled elements.
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> > > > > then share your solution where both side’s can agree with that the players that hate sprint can agree with and also the players that like sprint to stay in the game.
> > > > > so far its Basic moving speed boosting, a classic playlist with classic settings, you have the halo reach option with armor abilety’s.
> > > > > then come with more idea’s then that where both side’s can agree with and not only from one side can agree with.
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> > > > > > Why must i343 listen to you and pro-sprinters?
> > > > > > Why should they ignore us?
> > > > > > That goes both ways.You’re free to like sprint all you want, that’s subjective.
> > > > >
> > > > > 343 most listing to both side’s not only to one side.
> > > > > if there listing to both side’s then there can think good about how there make both side’s happy with a way there both most accept and to deal with and thats something a problem for some off the players since there are allways some players not happy since its there way only and notting else.
> > > > > why you think a seperat playlist for both side’s is better to make then happy.
> > > >
> > > > Well I know I’ve ruled out one solution… LISTENING TO YOU. And… Quote:“343 most listen to both side’s not only to one side.” But 343 has listened to advanced movement supporters, and look how that turned out, they’ve ignored us for too long. They need to listen to classic movement supporters, and then make a happy medium. Besides, most of us would be fine if they just took away Sprint, as it is the MOST game changing.
> > >
> > > the classic movement supporters are good way to drive new players away to game’s like cod and battlefield and APEX.
> > > and most off the classic supporters only think there own way what is good for the game and not what others think about it and let me tell this also to you.
> > > and if there still ingore you classic supporters and there showing on the E3 its has still sprint what you gone do then blame 343 again for not lissting or do you stop play halo for good since there not care about the classic supporters if there show on the E3 that halo 6 has still a lot off modern mechanic’s and not going back to old school.
> >
> > Yet if they were to remove Sprint (and only Sprint apparently, not any of the more “modern” features), you would leave and not buy the game because you’d think 343i was ignoring you.
> >
> > By your own definition, 343 isn’t listening to both sides no matter what.
>
> give me 1 good reason why 343 most listing only to the old players and not have to think about the new players also since you also know classic stuff only is not good for bringing new players to this game and like you know then has the contract for 30 years there got also no use more if there not can bring new players to the game thats why you need modern things to get new players to the game.
> and the only reason cod is doing good is there promote the game in all country’s like the EU and what you know halo is not doing it maybe only in the UK but in other country’s there is notting to see about halo then the game maybe thats there big mistake there have not done is to promote it on facebook and other site’s and on tv’s in other country’s.

First of all, you have no proof the old mechanics aren’t good for bringing in new players. Second of all the players who made halo one of the biggest franchises in history are the people who liked the old mechanics, so it makes sense to cater to those who like the classic halo experience.

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> > > > > > I don’t really know how to take it.
> > > > > > You pull numbers out of thin air.
> > > > > > Only regard this forum as a means to reach out to i343, when there are several other channels.
> > > > > > Think that only a few handful of people now and then have expressed desires for a classic playlist.
> > > > > > Believe there aren’t those who have made detailed lists of how they want a classic playlist to function.Also, you’ve been told that a Classic Playlist is a sub-optimal solution. It’s a watered down version of a game, designed around the disabled elements.
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> > > > > then share your solution where both side’s can agree with that the players that hate sprint can agree with and also the players that like sprint to stay in the game.
> > > > > so far its Basic moving speed boosting, a classic playlist with classic settings, you have the halo reach option with armor abilety’s.
> > > > > then come with more idea’s then that where both side’s can agree with and not only from one side can agree with.
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> > > > > > Why must i343 listen to you and pro-sprinters?
> > > > > > Why should they ignore us?
> > > > > > That goes both ways.You’re free to like sprint all you want, that’s subjective.
> > > > >
> > > > > 343 most listing to both side’s not only to one side.
> > > > > if there listing to both side’s then there can think good about how there make both side’s happy with a way there both most accept and to deal with and thats something a problem for some off the players since there are allways some players not happy since its there way only and notting else.
> > > > > why you think a seperat playlist for both side’s is better to make then happy.
> > > >
> > > > Well I know I’ve ruled out one solution… LISTENING TO YOU. And… Quote:“343 most listen to both side’s not only to one side.” But 343 has listened to advanced movement supporters, and look how that turned out, they’ve ignored us for too long. They need to listen to classic movement supporters, and then make a happy medium. Besides, most of us would be fine if they just took away Sprint, as it is the MOST game changing.
> > >
> > > the classic movement supporters are good way to drive new players away to game’s like cod and battlefield and APEX.
> > > and most off the classic supporters only think there own way what is good for the game and not what others think about it and let me tell this also to you.
> > > and if there still ingore you classic supporters and there showing on the E3 its has still sprint what you gone do then blame 343 again for not lissting or do you stop play halo for good since there not care about the classic supporters if there show on the E3 that halo 6 has still a lot off modern mechanic’s and not going back to old school.
> >
> > Yet if they were to remove Sprint (and only Sprint apparently, not any of the more “modern” features), you would leave and not buy the game because you’d think 343i was ignoring you.
> >
> > By your own definition, 343 isn’t listening to both sides no matter what.
>
> give me 1 good reason why 343 most listing only to the old players and not have to think about the new players also since you also know classic stuff only is not good for bringing new players to this game and like you know then has the contract for 30 years there got also no use more if there not can bring new players to the game thats why you need modern things to get new players to the game.
> and the only reason cod is doing good is there promote the game in all country’s like the EU and what you know halo is not doing it maybe only in the UK but in other country’s there is notting to see about halo then the game maybe thats there big mistake there have not done is to promote it on facebook and other site’s and on tv’s in other country’s.

Yeah I choose not to answer that because I never said that. You keep putting words in my mouth after you contradicted yourself twice (the first of which you conveniently ignored) before going off on a tangent trying to change the subject.

I’m not talking about some random magical people that may or may not exist. I’m talking about you and what you specifically said.

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> > > > I don’t really know how to take it.
> > > > You pull numbers out of thin air.
> > > > Only regard this forum as a means to reach out to i343, when there are several other channels.
> > > > Think that only a few handful of people now and then have expressed desires for a classic playlist.
> > > > Believe there aren’t those who have made detailed lists of how they want a classic playlist to function.Also, you’ve been told that a Classic Playlist is a sub-optimal solution. It’s a watered down version of a game, designed around the disabled elements.
> > >
> > > then share your solution where both side’s can agree with that the players that hate sprint can agree with and also the players that like sprint to stay in the game.
> > > so far its Basic moving speed boosting, a classic playlist with classic settings, you have the halo reach option with armor abilety’s.
> > > then come with more idea’s then that where both side’s can agree with and not only from one side can agree with.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > > Why must i343 listen to you and pro-sprinters?
> > > > Why should they ignore us?
> > > > That goes both ways.You’re free to like sprint all you want, that’s subjective.
> > >
> > > 343 most listing to both side’s not only to one side.
> > > if there listing to both side’s then there can think good about how there make both side’s happy with a way there both most accept and to deal with and thats something a problem for some off the players since there are allways some players not happy since its there way only and notting else.
> > > why you think a seperat playlist for both side’s is better to make then happy.
> >
> > Well I know I’ve ruled out one solution… LISTENING TO YOU. And… Quote:“343 most listen to both side’s not only to one side.” But 343 has listened to advanced movement supporters, and look how that turned out, they’ve ignored us for too long. They need to listen to classic movement supporters, and then make a happy medium. Besides, most of us would be fine if they just took away Sprint, as it is the MOST game changing.
>
> the classic movement supporters are good way to drive new players away to game’s like cod and battlefield and APEX.
> and most off the classic supporters only think there own way what is good for the game and not what others think about it and let me tell this also to you.
> and if there still ingore you classic supporters and there showing on the E3 its has still sprint what you gone do then blame 343 again for not lissting or do you stop play halo for good since there not care about the classic supporters if there show on the E3 that halo 6 has still a lot off modern mechanic’s and not going back to old school.

What I find funny is people who share the same view point as you say the classic formula will not work in todays day and age, when in reality the classic formula never failed. The halo player count has seen a steady decline since reach, even less players in halo 4 and even less in halo 5. Why? They strayed from the halo formula. There seems to be a misconception that the old formula was failing, so bungie and 343 both tried to save halo by adding elements to the gameplay. In reality the changes that were made in an attempt to add another layer to combat is what killed it. The classic halo formula never ran its full lifespan and the unnecessary elements added to the halo sandbox is what killed the series.

I don’t know how people can argue halo 4 and 5’s gameplay and style is the way to go in the future when it is literally a shell of its former self. If you look back and see why halo sold so well and why its less popular now its pretty clear that the changes to combat and gameplay are a huge components of halo’s decline.

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> As in we all have to walk around really slowly and such?

That was the only thing I h8ed about Hce all the way to H3.

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> > > > > 2533274795123910;2299:
> > > > > I don’t really know how to take it.
> > > > > You pull numbers out of thin air.
> > > > > Only regard this forum as a means to reach out to i343, when there are several other channels.
> > > > > Think that only a few handful of people now and then have expressed desires for a classic playlist.
> > > > > Believe there aren’t those who have made detailed lists of how they want a classic playlist to function.Also, you’ve been told that a Classic Playlist is a sub-optimal solution. It’s a watered down version of a game, designed around the disabled elements.
> > > >
> > > > then share your solution where both side’s can agree with that the players that hate sprint can agree with and also the players that like sprint to stay in the game.
> > > > so far its Basic moving speed boosting, a classic playlist with classic settings, you have the halo reach option with armor abilety’s.
> > > > then come with more idea’s then that where both side’s can agree with and not only from one side can agree with.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 2533274795123910;2299:
> > > > > Why must i343 listen to you and pro-sprinters?
> > > > > Why should they ignore us?
> > > > > That goes both ways.You’re free to like sprint all you want, that’s subjective.
> > > >
> > > > 343 most listing to both side’s not only to one side.
> > > > if there listing to both side’s then there can think good about how there make both side’s happy with a way there both most accept and to deal with and thats something a problem for some off the players since there are allways some players not happy since its there way only and notting else.
> > > > why you think a seperat playlist for both side’s is better to make then happy.
> > >
> > > Well I know I’ve ruled out one solution… LISTENING TO YOU. And… Quote:“343 most listen to both side’s not only to one side.” But 343 has listened to advanced movement supporters, and look how that turned out, they’ve ignored us for too long. They need to listen to classic movement supporters, and then make a happy medium. Besides, most of us would be fine if they just took away Sprint, as it is the MOST game changing.
> >
> > the classic movement supporters are good way to drive new players away to game’s like cod and battlefield and APEX.
> > and most off the classic supporters only think there own way what is good for the game and not what others think about it and let me tell this also to you.
> > and if there still ingore you classic supporters and there showing on the E3 its has still sprint what you gone do then blame 343 again for not lissting or do you stop play halo for good since there not care about the classic supporters if there show on the E3 that halo 6 has still a lot off modern mechanic’s and not going back to old school.
>
> What I find funny is people who share the same view point as you say the classic formula will not work in todays day and age, when in reality the classic formula never failed. The halo player count has seen a steady decline since reach, even less players in halo 4 and even less in halo 5. Why? They strayed from the halo formula. There seems to be a misconception that the old formula was failing, so bungie and 343 both tried to save halo by adding elements to the gameplay. In reality the changes that were made in an attempt to add another layer to combat is what killed it. The classic halo formula never ran its full lifespan and the unnecessary elements added to the halo sandbox is what killed the series.
>
> I don’t know how people can argue halo 4 and 5’s gameplay and style is the way to go in the future when it is literally a shell of its former self. If you look back and see why halo sold so well and why its less popular now its pretty clear that the changes to combat and gameplay are a huge components of halo’s decline.

maybe and this is something you also know is that if you promote your game wrong then you not get new players and since halo has promote there game almost not and that game’s like battlefield and call of dutty promote there game on social media’s and on TV’s in all country’s that new players see it and maybe wane try it out.
and you most have hear it also but Sony is not coming to the E3 since the Big E3 is something there no need more to promote there new game’s there now going promote there own game’s on there own way like nintendo is doing.
and that are things that are becoming great in time’s like this.
thats there fail.
and here is also something new for you since you like to see the halo game becoming classic again that means no armor custom systems like in reach more and no firefight playlist more or warzone playlist more.
that means you only get then a campaign and matchmaking and no more new weapons since thats all modern mechenic’s and since you hate then all that are all gone and i wait at the E3 what for way there go with halo 6 and i have notting to fear there doing this stupid way with removing a lot off modern mechanic’s.
and here is something else you know that you can allways buy games second hands and who know that he help also.

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> > > > > > 2533274795123910;2299:
> > > > > > I don’t really know how to take it.
> > > > > > You pull numbers out of thin air.
> > > > > > Only regard this forum as a means to reach out to i343, when there are several other channels.
> > > > > > Think that only a few handful of people now and then have expressed desires for a classic playlist.
> > > > > > Believe there aren’t those who have made detailed lists of how they want a classic playlist to function.Also, you’ve been told that a Classic Playlist is a sub-optimal solution. It’s a watered down version of a game, designed around the disabled elements.
> > > > >
> > > > > then share your solution where both side’s can agree with that the players that hate sprint can agree with and also the players that like sprint to stay in the game.
> > > > > so far its Basic moving speed boosting, a classic playlist with classic settings, you have the halo reach option with armor abilety’s.
> > > > > then come with more idea’s then that where both side’s can agree with and not only from one side can agree with.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2533274795123910;2299:
> > > > > > Why must i343 listen to you and pro-sprinters?
> > > > > > Why should they ignore us?
> > > > > > That goes both ways.You’re free to like sprint all you want, that’s subjective.
> > > > >
> > > > > 343 most listing to both side’s not only to one side.
> > > > > if there listing to both side’s then there can think good about how there make both side’s happy with a way there both most accept and to deal with and thats something a problem for some off the players since there are allways some players not happy since its there way only and notting else.
> > > > > why you think a seperat playlist for both side’s is better to make then happy.
> > > >
> > > > Well I know I’ve ruled out one solution… LISTENING TO YOU. And… Quote:“343 most listen to both side’s not only to one side.” But 343 has listened to advanced movement supporters, and look how that turned out, they’ve ignored us for too long. They need to listen to classic movement supporters, and then make a happy medium. Besides, most of us would be fine if they just took away Sprint, as it is the MOST game changing.
> > >
> > > the classic movement supporters are good way to drive new players away to game’s like cod and battlefield and APEX.
> > > and most off the classic supporters only think there own way what is good for the game and not what others think about it and let me tell this also to you.
> > > and if there still ingore you classic supporters and there showing on the E3 its has still sprint what you gone do then blame 343 again for not lissting or do you stop play halo for good since there not care about the classic supporters if there show on the E3 that halo 6 has still a lot off modern mechanic’s and not going back to old school.
> >
> > Yet if they were to remove Sprint (and only Sprint apparently, not any of the more “modern” features), you would leave and not buy the game because you’d think 343i was ignoring you.
> >
> > By your own definition, 343 isn’t listening to both sides no matter what.
>
> give me 1 good reason why 343 most listing only to the old players and not have to think about the new players also since you also know classic stuff only is not good for bringing new players to this game and like you know then has the contract for 30 years there got also no use more if there not can bring new players to the game thats why you need modern things to get new players to the game.
> and the only reason cod is doing good is there promote the game in all country’s like the EU and what you know halo is not doing it maybe only in the UK but in other country’s there is notting to see about halo then the game maybe thats there big mistake there have not done is to promote it on facebook and other site’s and on tv’s in other country’s.

Give me 1 good reason why 343 most listing only to the new players. Gosh it’s painful typing like that

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> then share your solution where both side’s can agree with that the players that hate sprint can agree with and also the players that like sprint to stay in the game.

As an individual who have my own preferences, and nothing to gain from giving in on those preferences, I say, make two different games.
One classic inspired game which perfect what was before, and add new things which go well with the classic gameplay, i.e not this “modern” buzzword being thrown around as a means to justify whatever happen.

Then one “modern game” which have whatever the latest trends say is the big top dog mechanic / thing at that moment.

Other than that, there isn’t a solution, unless Microsoft pour a big sum of money into Infinite and tell i343 to make two games in one.

Other than that, offering a different solution than that would require me to know why pro-sprinters like sprint, and how my solution can accommodate those preferences as well as my own.

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> so far its Basic moving speed boosting, a classic playlist with classic settings, you have the halo reach option with armor abilety’s.

I was going to ask what’s wrong with an increased BMS, but then I remember that having one top movement speed where you can use your weapon (in a dedicated shooter) is not contemporary enough for the supposed “new generation” of gamers.

Classic playlist? That’s “your” game, watered down, not a playlist which feature mechanics that would be built on a classic foundation.

Armor Abilities have already been present and they were met with poor reception.

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> then come with more idea’s then that where both side’s can agree with and not only from one side can agree with.

It’s years since Halo 4’s introduction of a global sprint mechanic. You don’t think there have been attempts from both sides with ideas to accommodate the other side’s preferences?
The issue is that both sides want completely different things.

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> 343 most listing to both side’s not only to one side.
> if there listing to both side’s then there can think good about how there make both side’s happy with a way there both most accept and to deal with and thats something a problem for some off the players since there are allways some players not happy since its there way only and notting else.

You can’t make everyone happy with one product.
Why should I as a consumer of a specific type of entertainment, think about what others who do not share my “ideologi” think and want?
What is in it for me in for accepting what I consider a sub-par playlist containing less than the full game it is featured in, just for you to be happy with the full game? A game I’m not that into in the first place.

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> why you think a seperat playlist for both side’s is better to make then happy.

I genuinely do not understand this question.

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> the MCC was a good fail at the start since you got 5 titels in one game and also 4 diffrend matchmaking maps and game mode’s that need to work good.

That is irrelevant to how i343 can’t know there’s a desire for a classic playlist if a thread for classic playlists doesn’t get 50 unique posters.

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> now think is smart little.

Oh you…

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> there are 10-15 players asking for a playlist there wane see add in halo 5 lets go for invasion game type.
> then you get maybe if you are luck 2 lobby’s full with players.

Think smart?
I told you about other types of communication other than this forum.
Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. People reach out to i343 with these social medias because they find it easier to do than register to this site and start posting longer texts.
Then there are the fan projects which have gotten quite some attention.
Not to mention MCC, which’s point sent completely over your head, and you gave me a history lesson like I wasn’t one of those who experienced that debacle close to front row. Which by the way was yet another subject change.

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> do you think then there gone add a game type only for 15 players that wane play it.

Do you honestly believe Halo is such a backwater game, that its community is only present on this forum? And that if a playlist was implemented based on a post which gathered 15 unique posters, only those 15 players would play that playlist? No one else inside the game would ever test out the new playlist? i343 wouldn’t market the new playlist either?

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> thats why you need a large nummor off support to show then there is a big group that wane play that type game type or playlist and then you get a chance that there adding it first for a time limit to see how much the population is and if its high then it will stay maybe and if its low then its gone.
> but like i have told you have somebody try it all with a large nummors off support no so far only few have try it and thats something you see there not gone do since the support for it is low.

Just more “lecturing”…

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> As an individual who have my own preferences, and nothing to gain from giving in on those preferences, I say, make two different games.
> One classic inspired game which perfect what was before, and add new things which go well with the classic gameplay, i.e not this “modern” buzzword being thrown around as a means to justify whatever happen.Then one “modern game” which have whatever the latest trends say is the big top dog mechanic / thing at that moment.Other than that, there isn’t a solution, unless Microsoft pour a big sum of money into Infinite and tell i343 to make two games in one.Other than that, offering a different solution than that would require me to know why pro-sprinters like sprint, and how my solution can accommodate those preferences as well as my own.

if i understand it good.
there most make 2 diffrend halo Infinite game’s that one off then become’s full modern and the other full classic.
that means also there most make the campaign and multiplayer also diffrend in both versions.
i think with the buget from 500 million doller is not much to make 2 diffrend game’s from the same titel.
we all know only 343 and microsoft see how the full game works and is before we can buy it.
and if there are things microsoft not wane see in halo like classic basic moving speed and wane see that it most have sprint then 343 has no choose to add sprint in the game the only thing 343 can do is making sprint free matchmaking playlist’s.
its in the end what microsoft wane see in the game and if there are things there not like and it needs to be chance then its 343 job to do it.
then the communety that wane see more classic in the game and if microsoft not wane see it then who from the 2 wins it easy thats microsoft and not the comunnety.

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> It’s years since Halo 4’s introduction of a global sprint mechanic. You don’t think there have been attempts from both sides with ideas to accommodate the other side’s preferences?
> The issue is that both sides want completely different things.

thats something i read on this thread all to much by some players that there only care about there own idea and give notting about others since there thinking there know it much better how a game most be.
to you think i miss some old classic mechenic’s not from some game’s but sadly there are not coming back.

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> You can’t make everyone happy with one product.
> Why should I as a consumer of a specific type of entertainment, think about what others who do not share my “ideologi” think and want?
> What is in it for me in for accepting what I consider a sub-par playlist containing less than the full game it is featured in, just for you to be happy with the full game? A game I’m not that into in the first place.

let me tell it this way.
do you think i accept the BTB playlist in halo 5 no the same like most others have done the reason is easy.
in halo 5 you are force to play stupid game type’s like CTF or stronghold in a BTB playlist when most off then only care about 1 game type and thats slayer.
lucky warzone was a good place for that type players since it was more 1 big slayer game type with few domination rule’s but the main part off it was 1 big slayer game and thats the main reason more why warzone has becoming hot in halo 5 then BTB.
and now you hear some others hate it that warzone have becoming hot then BTB and there not understand that if you add other game type’s in BTB playlist and make a big slayer type game the slayer fans go to warzone more then BTB.

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> I genuinely do not understand this question.

most off then are mist off that the game has become more modern then staying classic and i think to make then also happy with the classic part to have a seperate playlist for then with classic rule’s.

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> That is irrelevant to how i343 can’t know there’s a desire for a classic playlist if a thread for classic playlists doesn’t get 50 unique posters.

you also know that MCC was more a big remaster game for halo 1 t/m 4 to come on the xbox one and since there are all 5 and soon 6 are only playable from a xbox 360 disc copy there have make 1 big remaster on the xbox one.
its maybe much cheaper then remaster then all seperate for the xbox one.
and since most off the xbox 360 disc copy’s are not buyable more in some country’s and only sell xbox one games more and there going for a remaster then is adding all xbox 360 halo game’s in 1 game the best thing you can do.

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> Do you honestly believe Halo is such a backwater game, that its community is only present on this forum? And that if a playlist was implemented based on a post which gathered 15 unique posters, only those 15 players would play that playlist? No one else inside the game would ever test out the new playlist? i343 wouldn’t market the new playlist either?

there can play a lot off reasons why there not have add a classic playlist in halo 4 and halo 5.
and the reasons can be that the support is to low but it can also be there not wane go back more to classic since that time is more gone.
and so long there not gone tell the real reason it can have plenty off then what you can think about.

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> > 2533274795123910;2316:
> > As an individual who have my own preferences, and nothing to gain from giving in on those preferences, I say, make two different games.
> > One classic inspired game which perfect what was before, and add new things which go well with the classic gameplay, i.e not this “modern” buzzword being thrown around as a means to justify whatever happen.Then one “modern game” which have whatever the latest trends say is the big top dog mechanic / thing at that moment.Other than that, there isn’t a solution, unless Microsoft pour a big sum of money into Infinite and tell i343 to make two games in one.Other than that, offering a different solution than that would require me to know why pro-sprinters like sprint, and how my solution can accommodate those preferences as well as my own.
>
> if i understand it good.
> there most make 2 diffrend halo Infinite game’s that one off then become’s full modern and the other full classic.
> that means also there most make the campaign and multiplayer also diffrend in both versions.
> i think with the buget from 500 million doller is not much to make 2 diffrend game’s from the same titel.
> we all know only 343 and microsoft see how the full game works and is before we can buy it.
> and if there are things microsoft not wane see in halo like classic basic moving speed and wane see that it most have sprint then 343 has no choose to add sprint in the game the only thing 343 can do is making sprint free matchmaking playlist’s.
> its in the end what microsoft wane see in the game and if there are things there not like and it needs to be chance then its 343 job to do it.
> then the communety that wane see more classic in the game and if microsoft not wane see it then who from the 2 wins it easy thats microsoft and not the comunnety.
>
>
>
>
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> > It’s years since Halo 4’s introduction of a global sprint mechanic. You don’t think there have been attempts from both sides with ideas to accommodate the other side’s preferences?
> > The issue is that both sides want completely different things.
>
> thats something i read on this thread all to much by some players that there only care about there own idea and give notting about others since there thinking there know it much better how a game most be.
> to you think i miss some old classic mechenic’s not from some game’s but sadly there are not coming back.
>
>
>
>
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> > You can’t make everyone happy with one product.
> > Why should I as a consumer of a specific type of entertainment, think about what others who do not share my “ideologi” think and want?
> > What is in it for me in for accepting what I consider a sub-par playlist containing less than the full game it is featured in, just for you to be happy with the full game? A game I’m not that into in the first place.
>
> let me tell it this way.
> do you think i accept the BTB playlist in halo 5 no the same like most others have done the reason is easy.
> in halo 5 you are force to play stupid game type’s like CTF or stronghold in a BTB playlist when most off then only care about 1 game type and thats slayer.

Umm excuse me? Sounds like you’re a cod fanboy. CTF and Stronghold are very important and iconic gametypes for halo, they are part of the reason that people still play Halo. They produce so much excitement for players that there is a lot of fun involved. YOU just want sprint because you like it, and YOU’RE used to it. YOU just don’t like anything but slayer because YOU think it’s pointless, huh… Looks like your arguments are based around what YOU think, and how YOU’RE correct and nobody else is. Looks like your arguments are invalid because apparently YOU are the entire community, that’s a crap ton of bull crap. Lol and you can’t even type, that and your argument is why no one takes you seriously.

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> Umm excuse me? Sounds like you’re a cod fanboy. CTF and Stronghold are very important and iconic gametypes for halo, they are part of the reason that people still play Halo. They produce so much excitement for players that there is a lot of fun involved. YOU just want sprint because you like it, and YOU’RE used to it. YOU just don’t like anything but slayer because YOU think it’s pointless, huh… Looks like your arguments are based around what YOU think, and how YOU’RE correct and nobody else is. Looks like your arguments are invalid because apparently YOU are the entire community, that’s a crap ton of bull crap. Lol and you can’t even type, that and your argument is why no one takes you seriously.

now and i am also a cod fan who care’s if you got problems with it then deal with it.
do you understand the main thing most off the players like me not like to play stronghold or CTF but only wane play slayer game type.
and if warzone is good for it then i like it.
why you keep quote me since you cant resist somebody is having a good discussion about something with somebody else and not with you.
there is no point to have a good disscusion with type’s like you that only think i am richt and the others are wrong.
that my english is not good and i keep trying it means not that idots like you most bully about it if somebody has problems with it and english is not there main launch.
please stop quote me since i not wane have a disscusion with you about it like i now also do with some others on this thread since there thinking there are funny.

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> > > > > > I don’t really know how to take it.
> > > > > > You pull numbers out of thin air.
> > > > > > Only regard this forum as a means to reach out to i343, when there are several other channels.
> > > > > > Think that only a few handful of people now and then have expressed desires for a classic playlist.
> > > > > > Believe there aren’t those who have made detailed lists of how they want a classic playlist to function.Also, you’ve been told that a Classic Playlist is a sub-optimal solution. It’s a watered down version of a game, designed around the disabled elements.
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> > > > > then share your solution where both side’s can agree with that the players that hate sprint can agree with and also the players that like sprint to stay in the game.
> > > > > so far its Basic moving speed boosting, a classic playlist with classic settings, you have the halo reach option with armor abilety’s.
> > > > > then come with more idea’s then that where both side’s can agree with and not only from one side can agree with.
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> > > > > > Why must i343 listen to you and pro-sprinters?
> > > > > > Why should they ignore us?
> > > > > > That goes both ways.You’re free to like sprint all you want, that’s subjective.
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> > > > > 343 most listing to both side’s not only to one side.
> > > > > if there listing to both side’s then there can think good about how there make both side’s happy with a way there both most accept and to deal with and thats something a problem for some off the players since there are allways some players not happy since its there way only and notting else.
> > > > > why you think a seperat playlist for both side’s is better to make then happy.
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> > > > Well I know I’ve ruled out one solution… LISTENING TO YOU. And… Quote:“343 most listen to both side’s not only to one side.” But 343 has listened to advanced movement supporters, and look how that turned out, they’ve ignored us for too long. They need to listen to classic movement supporters, and then make a happy medium. Besides, most of us would be fine if they just took away Sprint, as it is the MOST game changing.
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> > > the classic movement supporters are good way to drive new players away to game’s like cod and battlefield and APEX.
> > > and most off the classic supporters only think there own way what is good for the game and not what others think about it and let me tell this also to you.
> > > and if there still ingore you classic supporters and there showing on the E3 its has still sprint what you gone do then blame 343 again for not lissting or do you stop play halo for good since there not care about the classic supporters if there show on the E3 that halo 6 has still a lot off modern mechanic’s and not going back to old school.
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> > What I find funny is people who share the same view point as you say the classic formula will not work in todays day and age, when in reality the classic formula never failed. The halo player count has seen a steady decline since reach, even less players in halo 4 and even less in halo 5. Why? They strayed from the halo formula. There seems to be a misconception that the old formula was failing, so bungie and 343 both tried to save halo by adding elements to the gameplay. In reality the changes that were made in an attempt to add another layer to combat is what killed it. The classic halo formula never ran its full lifespan and the unnecessary elements added to the halo sandbox is what killed the series.
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> > I don’t know how people can argue halo 4 and 5’s gameplay and style is the way to go in the future when it is literally a shell of its former self. If you look back and see why halo sold so well and why its less popular now its pretty clear that the changes to combat and gameplay are a huge components of halo’s decline.
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> and here is also something new for you since you like to see the halo game becoming classic again **that means no armor custom systems like in reach more and no firefight playlist more or warzone playlist more.**that means you only get then a campaign and matchmaking and no more new weapons since thats all modern mechenic’s and since you hate then all that are all gone and i wait at the E3 what for way there go with halo 6 and i have notting to fear there doing this stupid way with removing a lot off modern mechanic’s.

Why do you think that wanting a classic game means wanting nothing new at all?

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> > > > > > I don’t really know how to take it.
> > > > > > You pull numbers out of thin air.
> > > > > > Only regard this forum as a means to reach out to i343, when there are several other channels.
> > > > > > Think that only a few handful of people now and then have expressed desires for a classic playlist.
> > > > > > Believe there aren’t those who have made detailed lists of how they want a classic playlist to function.Also, you’ve been told that a Classic Playlist is a sub-optimal solution. It’s a watered down version of a game, designed around the disabled elements.
> > > > >
> > > > > then share your solution where both side’s can agree with that the players that hate sprint can agree with and also the players that like sprint to stay in the game.
> > > > > so far its Basic moving speed boosting, a classic playlist with classic settings, you have the halo reach option with armor abilety’s.
> > > > > then come with more idea’s then that where both side’s can agree with and not only from one side can agree with.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > > Why must i343 listen to you and pro-sprinters?
> > > > > > Why should they ignore us?
> > > > > > That goes both ways.You’re free to like sprint all you want, that’s subjective.
> > > > >
> > > > > 343 most listing to both side’s not only to one side.
> > > > > if there listing to both side’s then there can think good about how there make both side’s happy with a way there both most accept and to deal with and thats something a problem for some off the players since there are allways some players not happy since its there way only and notting else.
> > > > > why you think a seperat playlist for both side’s is better to make then happy.
> > > >
> > > > Well I know I’ve ruled out one solution… LISTENING TO YOU. And… Quote:“343 most listen to both side’s not only to one side.” But 343 has listened to advanced movement supporters, and look how that turned out, they’ve ignored us for too long. They need to listen to classic movement supporters, and then make a happy medium. Besides, most of us would be fine if they just took away Sprint, as it is the MOST game changing.
> > >
> > > the classic movement supporters are good way to drive new players away to game’s like cod and battlefield and APEX.
> > > and most off the classic supporters only think there own way what is good for the game and not what others think about it and let me tell this also to you.
> > > and if there still ingore you classic supporters and there showing on the E3 its has still sprint what you gone do then blame 343 again for not lissting or do you stop play halo for good since there not care about the classic supporters if there show on the E3 that halo 6 has still a lot off modern mechanic’s and not going back to old school.
> >
> > What I find funny is people who share the same view point as you say the classic formula will not work in todays day and age, when in reality the classic formula never failed. The halo player count has seen a steady decline since reach, even less players in halo 4 and even less in halo 5. Why? They strayed from the halo formula. There seems to be a misconception that the old formula was failing, so bungie and 343 both tried to save halo by adding elements to the gameplay. In reality the changes that were made in an attempt to add another layer to combat is what killed it. The classic halo formula never ran its full lifespan and the unnecessary elements added to the halo sandbox is what killed the series.
> >
> > I don’t know how people can argue halo 4 and 5’s gameplay and style is the way to go in the future when it is literally a shell of its former self. If you look back and see why halo sold so well and why its less popular now its pretty clear that the changes to combat and gameplay are a huge components of halo’s decline.
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> maybe and this is something you also know is that if you promote your game wrong then you not get new players and since halo has promote there game almost not and that game’s like battlefield and call of dutty promote there game on social media’s and on TV’s in all country’s that new players see it and maybe wane try it out.
> and you most have hear it also but Sony is not coming to the E3 since the Big E3 is something there no need more to promote there new game’s there now going promote there own game’s on there own way like nintendo is doing.
> and that are things that are becoming great in time’s like this.
> thats there fail.
> and here is also something new for you since you like to see the halo game becoming classic again that means no armor custom systems like in reach more and no firefight playlist more or warzone playlist more.
> that means you only get then a campaign and matchmaking and no more new weapons since thats all modern mechenic’s and since you hate then all that are all gone and i wait at the E3 what for way there go with halo 6 and i have notting to fear there doing this stupid way with removing a lot off modern mechanic’s.
> and here is something else you know that you can allways buy games second hands and who know that he help also.

You are so misguided… I want classic gameplay not a copy and paste of halo 3. Marketing was definitely not the issue, it has everything to do with straying from halo’s core mechanics