The return of classic movement mechanics?

Games Halo Infinite
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> > I think that sprint should be implemented in Infinite too, modern games are becoming more and more fast paced. A game without at least sprinting would not attract new players****and i think as a Halo Veteran that this mechanic is fundamental to “keep the pace” with present stantards.
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> I’m sorry but this is just not true. A game doesn’t need x mechanic for it to be successful/popular. Case in point, Overwatch came out in 2016. Only one character had the sprint mechanic and I’m pretty sure no one had ADS style zooming at launch. At the time, those mechanics were pretty popular in most FPS. According to you, this game shouldn’t attract players nor be popular. In your defense, Even a lot of people in the gaming industry weren’t sure how it would do. In reality, It’s been one of the most successful and popular FPS since it’s release. Why? Simple. People found it fun.
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> I’m also a Halo veteran (started with CE) and Halo doesn’t need x mechanic for it to be successful. It’s just absolutely ridiculous how people/companies can think a game needs x for it to do well. In fact, one could easily argue (as many people have) that since these type of mechanics in particular have been put into Halo, the series has become less successful and less popular.
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> At the end of the day, the only thing people care about is if the game is FUN!! No if ends or butts! People/companies need to get this through there head.

You’re right man i always forget about overwatch not having sprint, but in that game you must consider that like 70% of the heroes has some kind of dashes jumps etc to make things more dynamic. You pointed out a good shot to make me rethink about my previous statement! But i still say that the best way to go is to test this out in future flightings (Maybe even the release of MCC on PC could be an important hint).

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> > your idea is maybe good working for on small maps but on large maps is it more worse.
> > do you remember the large maps on halo 3 good that you think at some point from why there have not add sprint on it since its a large map and walking is making it only slow…
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> Because the maps weren’t made for just walking, they had vehicles and teleporters and man cannons that were faster than walking. So get a vehicle or hop on a man cannon. There were also 16 people on it so chances are you would find someone without a lot of effort.
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> Next.

now on halo 4 large maps it was allways fine to have sprint since you can sprint for cover to hide in a building or something from the vehicle’s.
still thats the best idea both side’s can deal with and accept that the small maps no have sprint and the medium and large maps have sprint options than the disscusion and problem about it is fix more then its more a mix from clasic and new mechanics in one.

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> > > your idea is maybe good working for on small maps but on large maps is it more worse.
> > > do you remember the large maps on halo 3 good that you think at some point from why there have not add sprint on it since its a large map and walking is making it only slow…
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> > Because the maps weren’t made for just walking, they had vehicles and teleporters and man cannons that were faster than walking. So get a vehicle or hop on a man cannon. There were also 16 people on it so chances are you would find someone without a lot of effort.
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> > Next.
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> now on halo 4 large maps it was allways fine to have sprint since you can sprint for cover to hide in a building or something from the vehicle’s.
> still thats the best idea both side’s can deal with and accept that the small maps no have sprint and the medium and large maps have sprint options than the disscusion and problem about it is fix more then its more a mix from clasic and new mechanics in one.

And notice how none of that answered my previous statement.

Medium and large maps don’t need Sprint. I just gave you ways those maps weren’t slow and you blatantly ignored them and brought up Halo 4…

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Again, I used to think “advance” mobility was the way to go, heres a 90 second video that explains why classic should come back.

Classic > Advanced

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> Again, I used to think “advance” mobility was the way to go, heres a 90 second video that explains why classic should come back.Classic > Advanced

Vegeto30294 this is now the big reason there have add mechanics for in the place like you see in classic’s on the video.
since you see on the video you can keep shooting and trowing grenate’s and thats the big reason there have adding mechanics to halo to give it more a challance and not make it to easy.
and vegeto this video he is showing in the quote is what i told on that other thread from why there have adding mechanics and not removing it.

now you see why there not going back to classic but to advanced to give players more a challange then it was before.

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> > Again, I used to think “advance” mobility was the way to go, heres a 90 second video that explains why classic should come back.Classic > Advanced
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> Vegeto30294 this is now the big reason there have add mechanics for in the place like you see in classic’s on the video.
> since you see on the video you can keep shooting and trowing grenate’s and thats the big reason there have adding mechanics to halo to give it more a challance and not make it to easy.
> and vegeto this video he is showing in the quote is what i told on that other thread from why there have adding mechanics and not removing it.
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> now you see why there not going back to classic but to advanced to give players more a challange then it was before.

Unless you have 110% hard evidence you really shouldn’t be saying this. And it doesn’t give more a challenge to players, it handicaps the skill gap. Instead of being able to point and shoot, traverse the map with ease, and keep your head on a swivel, your constantly using abilities just to move your player around the map.

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> > Again, I used to think “advance” mobility was the way to go, heres a 90 second video that explains why classic should come back.Classic > Advanced
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> Vegeto30294 this is now the big reason there have add mechanics for in the place like you see in classic’s on the video.
> since you see on the video you can keep shooting and trowing grenate’s and thats the big reason there have adding mechanics to halo to give it more a challance and not make it to easy.
> and vegeto this video he is showing in the quote is what i told on that other thread from why there have adding mechanics and not removing it.
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> now you see why there not going back to classic but to advanced to give players more a challange then it was before.

You do realize that everyone being able to shoot while moving means your opponent can shoot you while moving, right? You won’t be able to freely shoot a target that’s just running for cover (which is what you wanted) because he’ll always be firing back at you, putting you in danger.

You keep jumping from excuse to excuse.

  • “Mechanics like Sprint determine a real shooter” - “People need something familiar to play with” - “There are hidden problems that 343 knows that you don’t even know.” - “You just want Halo 3 again” - “Large maps need it or it feels slow” - "The game needs to be harder"What’s the next excuse?
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> > > Again, I used to think “advance” mobility was the way to go, heres a 90 second video that explains why classic should come back.Classic > Advanced
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> > Vegeto30294 this is now the big reason there have add mechanics for in the place like you see in classic’s on the video.
> > since you see on the video you can keep shooting and trowing grenate’s and thats the big reason there have adding mechanics to halo to give it more a challance and not make it to easy.
> > and vegeto this video he is showing in the quote is what i told on that other thread from why there have adding mechanics and not removing it.
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> > now you see why there not going back to classic but to advanced to give players more a challange then it was before.
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> You do realize that everyone being able to shoot while moving means your opponent can shoot you while moving, right? You won’t be able to freely shoot a target that’s just running for cover (which is what you wanted) because he’ll always be firing back at you, putting you in danger.
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> You keep jumping from excuse to excuse.
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> - “Mechanics like Sprint determine a real shooter” - “People need something familiar to play with” - “There are hidden problems that 343 knows that you don’t even know.” - “You just want Halo 3 again” - “Large maps need it or it feels slow” - "The game needs to be harder"What’s the next excuse?

maybe and this is something there not have think about it since who knows only halo reach got this and some have ask bungie about it to add it for then is if you guys is asking nice to 343 on a other new thread from can you guys please add in the halo titels from the 2 main playlist from ranked and social also a new playlist callt Classic Playlist with the classic matchmaking rule’s for us that we can play classice slayer on it without the new mechanics we like to play with then you make us happy all.
maybe if you guys is gone try that then you guys have your own playlist with the old classic rule’s and the other players that like the new mechanics have there own playlist and we are all happy maybe that is something you guys most try out since halo reach was the only game from halo that got both old and new school playlist.

and since it has been ask on the halo 5 forums for the first time nobody from this thread has replay on it maybe thats also a problem since you have done notting to support that idea in halo 5 and if only 4 or 5 players wane have it in matchmaking and not a lot you all are talking about then why you guys not support it back then when you got a chance.

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This is your periodic reminder that trying to make everyone happy or compromise is far more likely to just end with both groups being disappointed rather than pleasing both of them.

The needs of “advanced mobility” Halo and classic Halo are too different to effectively reconcile in one game. Pick one or the other and commit to it fully and just let the players who enjoy X type of playstyle be happy and let the other players move on without giving them false hope.

Half-measures don’t help anyone.

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> This is your periodic reminder that trying to make everyone happy or compromise is far more likely to just end with both groups being disappointed rather than pleasing both of them.
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> The needs of “advanced mobility” Halo and classic Halo are too different to effectively reconcile in one game. Pick one or the other and commit to it fully and just let the players who enjoy X type of playstyle be happy and let the other players move on without giving them false hope.
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> Half-measures don’t help anyone.

Were it so easy lol

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> This is your periodic reminder that trying to make everyone happy or compromise is far more likely to just end with both groups being disappointed rather than pleasing both of them.
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> The needs of “advanced mobility” Halo and classic Halo are too different to effectively reconcile in one game. Pick one or the other and commit to it fully and just let the players who enjoy X type of playstyle be happy and let the other players move on without giving them false hope.
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> Half-measures don’t help anyone.

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/Halo%205%20Classic%20Playlist/a32f3420-2bfd-45c1-a208-7dd4454b1bad/postsHere on this thread somebody has try it and you can see how low the support there was for it back then and why some off the communety mass it good up with not suporting it and showing 343 there was a good support for it.

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> > This is your periodic reminder that trying to make everyone happy or compromise is far more likely to just end with both groups being disappointed rather than pleasing both of them.
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> > The needs of “advanced mobility” Halo and classic Halo are too different to effectively reconcile in one game. Pick one or the other and commit to it fully and just let the players who enjoy X type of playstyle be happy and let the other players move on without giving them false hope.
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> > Half-measures don’t help anyone.
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> https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/Halo%205%20Classic%20Playlist/a32f3420-2bfd-45c1-a208-7dd4454b1bad/postsHere on this thread somebody has try it and you can see how low the support there was for it back then and why some off the communety mass it good up with not suporting it and showing 343 there was a good support for it.

You mean people didn’t want to get stuck with one playlist in a game that was not designed for it? I’m shocked, almost too shocked for words…

This is exactly the kind of half-measures I was referring to. The situation would be exactly the same if I were to say they should design Halo Infinite around classic Halo, and just make one separate advanced mobility playlist. I’m sure advanced mobility fans would totally support that…

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> > > This is your periodic reminder that trying to make everyone happy or compromise is far more likely to just end with both groups being disappointed rather than pleasing both of them.
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> > > The needs of “advanced mobility” Halo and classic Halo are too different to effectively reconcile in one game. Pick one or the other and commit to it fully and just let the players who enjoy X type of playstyle be happy and let the other players move on without giving them false hope.
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> > > Half-measures don’t help anyone.
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> > https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/Halo%205%20Classic%20Playlist/a32f3420-2bfd-45c1-a208-7dd4454b1bad/postsHere on this thread somebody has try it and you can see how low the support there was for it back then and why some off the communety mass it good up with not suporting it and showing 343 there was a good support for it.
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> You mean people didn’t want to get stuck with one playlist in a game that was not designed for it?

if a lot off players have post on that thread there wane have a classic rule’s settings in matchmaking and there was a chance to get a playlist for it like in halo reach then why not show 343 in the first case that there is lot off support for it then crying on threads that there need to remove sprint if there got a chance to get there own playlist with the rule’s there like to play with in game mode’s like slayer then why the hell there keep crying.
i have see players from other game’s try it with getting classic settings in a modern game in there own playlist and there are happy with it you know why there got it since there request for it and there was also a lot off support for it and that have the developers show there is a good population to add it in matchmaking.
and if only 5 or 10 players ask it and others not show there support on it and keep crying about it on other threads then you never get it.
that guy was trying to give then a seperate playlist with there own game mode’s with the classice rule’s there remember from old time’s and you have read only few have support it and others like on this thread that are crying to get the classic rule’s back have not support that idea.
that means there not really care about it since.
if one off my thread about getting loudout system back in halo gets 50 or 60 players support and 343 read it there know we can make a playlist with it maybe for it since there is a lot off support for it.
same go’s for the classic matchmaking rule’s settings support the idea for adding a playlist on it get a lot off players to agree with it that 343 can read that 100 or 200 players like to see a matchmaking with classic rule’s setting in the next halo.
if there start now with that thread and it gets a lot off support for it then the chance is becoming high you can play it on launch day all with classic settings without destroying the game for all the players that not wane play with classic settings and like to play with modern settings.
problem fix both side’s happy and both side’s got what there wane in halo.
the group that hate’s sprint and modern settings have there own classic playlist.
and the other group that like’s sprint and modern settings have there own playlist.
and the game will grow on both side’s old and new school.
then new players can try also the classic settings and if there not like it there can still keep playing with the modern settings and if there like it there keep playing it.

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> Again, I used to think “advance” mobility was the way to go, heres a 90 second video that explains why classic should come back.Classic > Advanced

That’s basically it and why I personally think classic movement should come back in Infinite. The advanced movement in H5 is really just there to look good and “modern”, like any other shooter these days. Same with those darn iron sights.

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> > > > This is your periodic reminder that trying to make everyone happy or compromise is far more likely to just end with both groups being disappointed rather than pleasing both of them.
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> > > > The needs of “advanced mobility” Halo and classic Halo are too different to effectively reconcile in one game. Pick one or the other and commit to it fully and just let the players who enjoy X type of playstyle be happy and let the other players move on without giving them false hope.
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> > > > Half-measures don’t help anyone.
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> > > https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/Halo%205%20Classic%20Playlist/a32f3420-2bfd-45c1-a208-7dd4454b1bad/postsHere on this thread somebody has try it and you can see how low the support there was for it back then and why some off the communety mass it good up with not suporting it and showing 343 there was a good support for it.
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> > You mean people didn’t want to get stuck with one playlist in a game that was not designed for it?
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> if a lot off players have post on that thread there wane have a classic rule’s settings in matchmaking and there was a chance to get a playlist for it like in halo reach then why not show 343 in the first case that there is lot off support for it then crying on threads that there need to remove sprint if there got a chance to get there own playlist with the rule’s there like to play with in game mode’s like slayer then why the hell there keep crying.
> i have see players from other game’s try it with getting classic settings in a modern game in there own playlist and there are happy with it you know why there got it since there request for it and there was also a lot off support for it and that have the developers show there is a good population to add it in matchmaking.
> and if only 5 or 10 players ask it and others not show there support on it and keep crying about it on other threads then you never get it.
> that guy was trying to give then a seperate playlist with there own game mode’s with the classice rule’s there remember from old time’s and you have read only few have support it and others like on this thread that are crying to get the classic rule’s back have not support that idea.
> that means there not really care about it since.
> if one off my thread about getting loudout system back in halo gets 50 or 60 players support and 343 read it there know we can make a playlist with it maybe for it since there is a lot off support for it.
> same go’s for the classic matchmaking rule’s settings support the idea for adding a playlist on it get a lot off players to agree with it that 343 can read that 100 or 200 players like to see a matchmaking with classic rule’s setting in the next halo.
> if there start now with that thread and it gets a lot off support for it then the chance is becoming high you can play it on launch day all with classic settings without destroying the game for all the players that not wane play with classic settings and like to play with modern settings.
> problem fix both side’s happy and both side’s got what there wane in halo.
> the group that hate’s sprint and modern settings have there own classic playlist.
> and the other group that like’s sprint and modern settings have there own playlist.
> and the game will grow on both side’s old and new school.
> then new players can try also the classic settings and if there not like it there can still keep playing with the modern settings and if there like it there keep playing it.

Why would fans want a single classic playlist with maps and weapons designed around enhanced mobility when we could just have a game with a higher base movement speed?

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> the basic moving speed from halo 3 is 110% if i am right.
> the halo reach and halo 4 basic moving speed is 100% but when you use sprint it give’s the extra 10% more and its still the same like in halo 3 but you not see it.
> the only reason what chance’s is you most choose by using the 100% basic moving speed and shoot on other players or use the extra 10% moving speed but you cant shoot on other players.
> then the basic moving speed not has been chance its only little worse but the only reason is that players wane get remove it more is: **there hate since there cant run and shoot at the same time more thats maybe a reason for then why there wane remove it that the basic moving speed become’s 110% again and there can shoot and use the full moving speed at the same time.**in halo 5 there have give the sprint maybe a extra boost from 20% thanks to the trusters.
> thats the reason also why halo reach from bungie has done it with the moving speed and give the extra 10% in a new mechanic.

Halo CE, Halo 2 and Halo 3 all have the exact same BMS, base movement speed. 2.25 u/s.

MLG decided att some point during their Halo 3 time to increase the BMS to 110%. To My knowledge no other playlist got treated the same way.

Sprint is if I recall some 30% faster than BMS, except in Halo 5, where BMS was increased and the delta between BMS and sprint was decreased after the beta. A 10% speed increase would be useless for sprint.

And no, thrusters being active during sprint has literally no effect on the sprint mechanic itself.
The value for sprint, how fast you are, is ideally and most likely a single value in a single play in the code.
The thrusters are only a visual effect, nothing more and nothing less.

But, one of the reasons many want sprint removed is because you can’t shoot and move at top speed at all times. You got that right.
And why would that be bad?
Why was that bad in Halo C, 2 and 3? Why did that need to change?

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> and if some off the Advanced mechanics becoming more basic in that type game that you are see there coming back a lot then its becoming more basic also from that game?
> and you see that in all game’s more that what first was Advanced mechanic for that game is more becoming basic for that game.

No.
They’re still mechanics on top of more basic functions.

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> and you see that also in the matchmaking playlist’s that some off then are first Advanced and few titels later its becoming a basic and part off the game.
> more like Living Death playlist that in halo 3 not was standaart but also advanced but in halo reach and halo 4 and 5 it has become more a basic thing for the to let it have there own playlist and not in the rotation more.
> thats there point there are doing it to make some Advanced things become more basic in the game to keep trying to make the game more a challance with that mechanic.

Something being regarded as a standard does not mean it’s something basic.

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> if you have a split comunnety about something like sprint that you wane make sure both side’s are happy with it is a balance in the middel that both side’s most accept at some point a good thing there are trying to do.
> and this is something the developers are looking for the middel solution about sprint that both side’s at some point most accept and deal with since.
> and what the best middel solution for sprint is thats something nobody knows.

Rarely does a compromise make anyone happy, as it is a subpar solution to what both sides want for themselves, for a variety of reasons.

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> > > > > This is your periodic reminder that trying to make everyone happy or compromise is far more likely to just end with both groups being disappointed rather than pleasing both of them.
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> > > > > The needs of “advanced mobility” Halo and classic Halo are too different to effectively reconcile in one game. Pick one or the other and commit to it fully and just let the players who enjoy X type of playstyle be happy and let the other players move on without giving them false hope.
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> > > > > Half-measures don’t help anyone.
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> > > > https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/Halo%205%20Classic%20Playlist/a32f3420-2bfd-45c1-a208-7dd4454b1bad/postsHere on this thread somebody has try it and you can see how low the support there was for it back then and why some off the communety mass it good up with not suporting it and showing 343 there was a good support for it.
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> > > You mean people didn’t want to get stuck with one playlist in a game that was not designed for it?
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> > if a lot off players have post on that thread there wane have a classic rule’s settings in matchmaking and there was a chance to get a playlist for it like in halo reach then why not show 343 in the first case that there is lot off support for it then crying on threads that there need to remove sprint if there got a chance to get there own playlist with the rule’s there like to play with in game mode’s like slayer then why the hell there keep crying.
> > i have see players from other game’s try it with getting classic settings in a modern game in there own playlist and there are happy with it you know why there got it since there request for it and there was also a lot off support for it and that have the developers show there is a good population to add it in matchmaking.
> > and if only 5 or 10 players ask it and others not show there support on it and keep crying about it on other threads then you never get it.
> > that guy was trying to give then a seperate playlist with there own game mode’s with the classice rule’s there remember from old time’s and you have read only few have support it and others like on this thread that are crying to get the classic rule’s back have not support that idea.
> > that means there not really care about it since.
> > if one off my thread about getting loudout system back in halo gets 50 or 60 players support and 343 read it there know we can make a playlist with it maybe for it since there is a lot off support for it.
> > same go’s for the classic matchmaking rule’s settings support the idea for adding a playlist on it get a lot off players to agree with it that 343 can read that 100 or 200 players like to see a matchmaking with classic rule’s setting in the next halo.
> > if there start now with that thread and it gets a lot off support for it then the chance is becoming high you can play it on launch day all with classic settings without destroying the game for all the players that not wane play with classic settings and like to play with modern settings.
> > problem fix both side’s happy and both side’s got what there wane in halo.
> > the group that hate’s sprint and modern settings have there own classic playlist.
> > and the other group that like’s sprint and modern settings have there own playlist.
> > and the game will grow on both side’s old and new school.
> > then new players can try also the classic settings and if there not like it there can still keep playing with the modern settings and if there like it there keep playing it.
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> Why would fans want a single classic playlist with maps and weapons designed around enhanced mobility when we could just have a game with a higher base movement speed?

whats the main problem we have on this thread and some other threads about sprints and some off the new mechanics that is still active since halo 4.
that most old players not like the way there going with the game and most off all with the matchmaking with the sprint and new mechanics.
but to find the middel thing that both side’s accept and wane deal with was never been found.
halo reach that was from bungie has found that middel thing and that was adding a classic playlist with some game type’s but the rule’s from that playlist was all about the classic settings.
now that 343 is working on the halo’s nobody has bring that idea back to halo 4.
in halo 5 there was somebody trying it but the support he got on that thread was low since it shows almost nobody wane see a classic playlist in halo 5 but then later there gone cry and blame to 343 that sprint needs to be remove.
whats the one thing there have to do back then was supporting that thread and let 343 see there was a big support for it for a classic playlist in matchmaking.
now that halo 6 is still in developing there gone try it again by asking to remove it from the game and you see that the communety has been split about it.
whats there best shot there can do now make a new thread on the halo 6 page with a request to add in matchmaking a classic setting playlist with some game mode’s in it that there now can proof to 343 that there is still big support for it without spliting the communety for the game.
that players can choose if there wane play with new mechanics in matchmaking or wane play the same game but with classic settings without any problems for the full game.
the same has happing with firefight.
look at this thread about adding firefight in halo 5 halo 5 firefight you see it got lot more support then with the classic playlist idea for halo 5.
thats more the proof there are looking for if the support population is big then there gone add the playlist in the game since it got a lot off support.
thats how there can do with classic settings in the next halo.
make a new thread the players that wane see a classic setting playlist in halo 6 only have to post there on it there support it and if the population is big for it there maybe gone add it also in the game and if you do it now who knows its gone be one off the few playlist’s there can play at launch also.

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I’m in the I really don’t care group, enhanced mobility or classic is fine they both have fun and unique things about them , it’s the campaign game play and story for me, as long as the sandbox is resonably balanced I’m good.
I think no matter what they do someone’s going to be unhappy.
Halo has had some form of enhanced mobility since 2010 so it really is a core part of the halo experience whether the classic fanboys like it or not

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> But, one of the reasons many want sprint removed is because you can’t shoot and move at top speed at all times. You got that right.
> And why would that be bad?
> Why was that bad in Halo C, 2 and 3? Why did that need to change?

maybe the reason there have chance it was to make the game more modern with modern mechanic’s and that there was no room for the classic.
but back in bungie day’s with halo reach there have see there was still a lot off support for classic settings and thats why there have add in the matchmaking playlist still by today you can play halo reach with classic settings.
if you ask why there not bring it back in halo 4 and halo 5 its easy to tell since it was back then on bugie forums since halo reach was make by bungie and not 343.
and since nobody has request it on the halo 4 forums for a classic setting playlist and in halo 5 somebody has try it but got low support for it that 343 still not have done it since the support for classic settings are low.
if the thread name was more we like to see in halo 6 a classic playlist option and a lot off players support it there maybe gone add it since there see there is big support for it.
but what the most now do is asking to make the game with classic settings and thats something there never gone do making the game full with only classic settings.
what is then there only option to have classic settings in the new halo titels.
is asking for a classic setting playlist and thats something there not have done and thats the catch from it.

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> Something being regarded as a standard does not mean it’s something basic.

it will become basic if the support for that type playlist is big and populier for a long time.
to bring a old playlist back in the new halo’s only you need to do is make a thread about that type game mode and hopping you get a lot off support for it and if its big you see it maybe back in the game.

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> Rarely does a compromise make anyone happy, as it is a subpar solution to what both sides want for themselves, for a variety of reasons.

and what about adding a classic setting playlist if the support is big for it then you have both side’s happy.
and what you can ask also is what for game mode’s you like to see in that playlist with classic settings for that you need to have also a lot off support to show there is still a lot off the comunnety that wane play with the old time’s settings again in the new halo’s.

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> > Rarely does a compromise make anyone happy, as it is a subpar solution to what both sides want for themselves, for a variety of reasons.
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> and what about adding a classic setting playlist if the support is big for it then you have both side’s happy.
> and what you can ask also is what for game mode’s you like to see in that playlist with classic settings for that you need to have also a lot off support to show there is still a lot off the comunnety that wane play with the old time’s settings again in the new halo’s.

Because it doesn’t fix the issue. Having a classic playlist really is a subpar solution. Developer maps that are created around advanced movement mechanics do not translate well under classic settings. And forge maps are not good enough as a replacement for developer maps either. How about we have a classic halo game with an advanced playlist instead? See what I mean.

Look around you. You’re contradicting every user in a thread that has over two thousand replies regarding classic mechanics. There is a clear interest in it’s return + evolution.