The return of classic movement mechanics?

Games Halo Infinite
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> > Make the game with classic game play mechanics, more unlockable cosmetics (ie. something to work towards) and no micro transactions and you might have a winner of a game.
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> if i see it good.
> first from halo CE to halo 5 you add a lot off new mechanics and then on halo 6 go downhill with the mechanics again thats more like remove a lot off update’s from your computer.
> so far i know is that game’s upgrade there mechanics only and never go downhill with it at a long time.
> to keep classic game mechanics in the game’s like now you have to keep going on with it at the start off halo reach all but since there release halo 4 and 5 all with lot off new mechanics there not going downgrade the game with a lot off classic mechanics only that there are a group off players not happy with it.
> you have to deal with it mechanics there adding in the game and accept it and if you not wane accept it not buy it then if you not like the new mechanics.

That was literally painful to read. If I am to understand what you wrote, and I’m not saying that I do, you say that every new mechanic added to the game was an increase in quality. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I would go so far as to say that everything that enhanced movement (aka sprint, mantle), created unbalanced game starts (aka loadouts) and the like was not an improvement for Halo and that reverting back to the core gameplay that the series was built upon would be a great way to refresh a series that propelled the Xbox brand to the forefront of the gaming market. But hey, you like sprint, so screw everyone else especially since there are no other games on the market where you can get all of the same mechanics. It’s almost like I have never played another game where I can sprint, shoot, climb walls, and throw grenades while superman punching another player into the ground. Wait they call that game COD.

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> > > Make the game with classic game play mechanics, more unlockable cosmetics (ie. something to work towards) and no micro transactions and you might have a winner of a game.
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> > if i see it good.
> > first from halo CE to halo 5 you add a lot off new mechanics and then on halo 6 go downhill with the mechanics again thats more like remove a lot off update’s from your computer.
> > so far i know is that game’s upgrade there mechanics only and never go downhill with it at a long time.
> > to keep classic game mechanics in the game’s like now you have to keep going on with it at the start off halo reach all but since there release halo 4 and 5 all with lot off new mechanics there not going downgrade the game with a lot off classic mechanics only that there are a group off players not happy with it.
> > you have to deal with it mechanics there adding in the game and accept it and if you not wane accept it not buy it then if you not like the new mechanics.
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> That was literally painful to read. If I am to understand what you wrote, and I’m not saying that I do, you say that every new mechanic added to the game was an increase in quality. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I would go so far as to say that everything that enhanced movement (aka sprint, mantle), created unbalanced game starts (aka loadouts) and the like was not an improvement for Halo and that reverting back to the core gameplay that the series was built upon would be a great way to refresh a series that propelled the Xbox brand to the forefront of the gaming market. But hey, you like sprint, so screw everyone else especially since there are no other games on the market where you can get all of the same mechanics. It’s almost like I have never played another game where I can sprint, shoot, climb walls, and throw grenades while superman punching another player into the ground. Wait they call that game COD.

It’s okay man. I can’t take his posts serious at this point lol

#classichaloFTW

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> > > > I have played Halo since CE on the first Xbox. God knows how much of my life I have spent playing Halo, and reading Halo books.
> > > > I prefer the new movement mechanics. Halo 5 made the Spartans feels more like how the Spartans should be than other games. Its been a slow build starting with Reach and in 5 it felt very good.
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> > > lore should not dictate how gameplay functions
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> > And old mechanics shouldn’t dictate new games.
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> well seeing as your new mechanics are causing the game to plummet, I think you should re-evaluate your stance

I’m all for innovation, but none of the stuff they did in Halo 5 was innovative or new. If I have to live with enhanced movement then 5 was probably the best I could ever hope for if I’m going to play Space COD

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> > > > Make the game with classic game play mechanics, more unlockable cosmetics (ie. something to work towards) and no micro transactions and you might have a winner of a game.
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> > > if i see it good.
> > > first from halo CE to halo 5 you add a lot off new mechanics and then on halo 6 go downhill with the mechanics again thats more like remove a lot off update’s from your computer.
> > > so far i know is that game’s upgrade there mechanics only and never go downhill with it at a long time.
> > > to keep classic game mechanics in the game’s like now you have to keep going on with it at the start off halo reach all but since there release halo 4 and 5 all with lot off new mechanics there not going downgrade the game with a lot off classic mechanics only that there are a group off players not happy with it.
> > > you have to deal with it mechanics there adding in the game and accept it and if you not wane accept it not buy it then if you not like the new mechanics.
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> > That was literally painful to read. If I am to understand what you wrote, and I’m not saying that I do, you say that every new mechanic added to the game was an increase in quality. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I would go so far as to say that everything that enhanced movement (aka sprint, mantle), created unbalanced game starts (aka loadouts) and the like was not an improvement for Halo and that reverting back to the core gameplay that the series was built upon would be a great way to refresh a series that propelled the Xbox brand to the forefront of the gaming market. But hey, you like sprint, so screw everyone else especially since there are no other games on the market where you can get all of the same mechanics. It’s almost like I have never played another game where I can sprint, shoot, climb walls, and throw grenades while superman punching another player into the ground. Wait they call that game COD.
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> It’s okay man. I can’t take his posts serious at this point lol
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> #classichaloFTW
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> > > > > Make the game with classic game play mechanics, more unlockable cosmetics (ie. something to work towards) and no micro transactions and you might have a winner of a game.
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> > > > if i see it good.
> > > > first from halo CE to halo 5 you add a lot off new mechanics and then on halo 6 go downhill with the mechanics again thats more like remove a lot off update’s from your computer.
> > > > so far i know is that game’s upgrade there mechanics only and never go downhill with it at a long time.
> > > > to keep classic game mechanics in the game’s like now you have to keep going on with it at the start off halo reach all but since there release halo 4 and 5 all with lot off new mechanics there not going downgrade the game with a lot off classic mechanics only that there are a group off players not happy with it.
> > > > you have to deal with it mechanics there adding in the game and accept it and if you not wane accept it not buy it then if you not like the new mechanics.
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> > > That was literally painful to read. If I am to understand what you wrote, and I’m not saying that I do, you say that every new mechanic added to the game was an increase in quality. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I would go so far as to say that everything that enhanced movement (aka sprint, mantle), created unbalanced game starts (aka loadouts) and the like was not an improvement for Halo and that reverting back to the core gameplay that the series was built upon would be a great way to refresh a series that propelled the Xbox brand to the forefront of the gaming market. But hey, you like sprint, so screw everyone else especially since there are no other games on the market where you can get all of the same mechanics. It’s almost like I have never played another game where I can sprint, shoot, climb walls, and throw grenades while superman punching another player into the ground. Wait they call that game COD.
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> > It’s okay man. I can’t take his posts serious at this point lol
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> > #classichaloFTW
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> So that guy has a reputation, lol

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Let’s hope old movement mechanics don’t return. In this day and age of games barely anyone is going to like no sprinting, even old halo players. There is no reason a spartan that can flip a tank can’t sprint.

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> Let’s hope old movement mechanics don’t return. In this day and age of games barely anyone is going to like no sprinting, even old halo players. There is no reason a spartan that can flip a tank can’t sprint.

I always love the Lore argument when it comes to sprinting. Well, spartans ARE able to shoot while sprinting. So, with some imagination you could argue that spartans were already “sprinting” in the first three games.

Btw., yeah, barely anyone likes games without sprinting. Let’s just forget about Cs, several other PC games, Doom and Overwatch (except one character). Those games just exist in our fantasy.

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> Let’s hope old movement mechanics don’t return. In this day and age of games barely anyone is going to like no sprinting, even old halo players. There is no reason a spartan that can flip a tank can’t sprint.

I think that you are forgetting about DOOM (2016). A game that was highly praised for its gameplay and no one was complaining about the lack of sprint. Increase the base movement speed, and it will feel as if you are running all the time.

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> That was literally painful to read. If I am to understand what you wrote, and I’m not saying that I do, you say that every new mechanic added to the game was an increase in quality. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I would go so far as to say that everything that enhanced movement (aka sprint, mantle), created unbalanced game starts (aka loadouts) and the like was not an improvement for Halo and that reverting back to the core gameplay that the series was built upon would be a great way to refresh a series that propelled the Xbox brand to the forefront of the gaming market. But hey, you like sprint, so screw everyone else especially since there are no other games on the market where you can get all of the same mechanics. It’s almost like I have never played another game where I can sprint, shoot, climb walls, and throw grenades while superman punching another player into the ground. Wait they call that game COD.

first off all halo is not cod since i play also cod game’s and there not the same and please let it be like that since its getting then only more boring.
you really think this is painful to read you know what is painfull to read is most vote for a downgrade with the game thats painful to read.
loadout was a crap thing and thats something we know now since 343 has try it and we have all see it all what has come out with it only hate for it.
be happy there not have add it back in halo 5.
since when is it forbidden to have a disscusion about loadouts on the forums and about other things that some comunnety members like since when is that forbidden.
o wait its forbidden by this group off players to give a meaning about it since you get only hate things from then since there hate all new things.
be happy there care about the halo series and wane lure also the new generation off players to the game and not only old school players and to lure new generation and to not give then a chance to try battlefield or call of duty first then you need new mechanic’s in the game to get new players in the game and to show then its a game thats chancing good way’s with new stuff.

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> > > > Make the game with classic game play mechanics, more unlockable cosmetics (ie. something to work towards) and no micro transactions and you might have a winner of a game.
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> > > if i see it good.
> > > first from halo CE to halo 5 you add a lot off new mechanics and then on halo 6 go downhill with the mechanics again thats more like remove a lot off update’s from your computer.
> > > so far i know is that game’s upgrade there mechanics only and never go downhill with it at a long time.
> > > to keep classic game mechanics in the game’s like now you have to keep going on with it at the start off halo reach all but since there release halo 4 and 5 all with lot off new mechanics there not going downgrade the game with a lot off classic mechanics only that there are a group off players not happy with it.
> > > you have to deal with it mechanics there adding in the game and accept it and if you not wane accept it not buy it then if you not like the new mechanics.
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> > That was literally painful to read. If I am to understand what you wrote, and I’m not saying that I do, you say that every new mechanic added to the game was an increase in quality. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I would go so far as to say that everything that enhanced movement (aka sprint, mantle), created unbalanced game starts (aka loadouts) and the like was not an improvement for Halo and that reverting back to the core gameplay that the series was built upon would be a great way to refresh a series that propelled the Xbox brand to the forefront of the gaming market. But hey, you like sprint, so screw everyone else especially since there are no other games on the market where you can get all of the same mechanics. It’s almost like I have never played another game where I can sprint, shoot, climb walls, and throw grenades while superman punching another player into the ground. Wait they call that game COD.
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> It’s okay man. I can’t take his posts serious at this point lol
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> #classichaloFTW

is it more i not share the same meaning like yours that i have my own meaning about things like this and see it diffrend then yours if you have something good to replay do it then since this shows more you hate to have a good discussion with somebody that have other idea’s and like other things about the game.

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> > That was literally painful to read. If I am to understand what you wrote, and I’m not saying that I do, you say that every new mechanic added to the game was an increase in quality. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I would go so far as to say that everything that enhanced movement (aka sprint, mantle), created unbalanced game starts (aka loadouts) and the like was not an improvement for Halo and that reverting back to the core gameplay that the series was built upon would be a great way to refresh a series that propelled the Xbox brand to the forefront of the gaming market. But hey, you like sprint, so screw everyone else especially since there are no other games on the market where you can get all of the same mechanics. It’s almost like I have never played another game where I can sprint, shoot, climb walls, and throw grenades while superman punching another player into the ground. Wait they call that game COD.
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> first off all halo is not cod since i play also cod game’s and there not the same and please let it be like that since its getting then only more boring.
> you really think this is painful to read you know what is painfull to read is most vote for a downgrade with the game thats painful to read.
> loadout was a crap thing and thats something we know now since 343 has try it and we have all see it all what has come out with it only hate for it.
> be happy there not have add it back in halo 5.
> since when is it forbidden to have a disscusion about loadouts on the forums and about other things that some comunnety members like since when is that forbidden.
> o wait its forbidden by this group off players to give a meaning about it since you get only hate things from then since there hate all new things.
> be happy there care about the halo series and wane lure also the new generation off players to the game and not only old school players and to lure new generation and to not give then a chance to try battlefield or call of duty first then you need new mechanic’s in the game to get new players in the game and to show then its a game thats chancing good way’s with new stuff.

Umm… Yeah if they cared about Halo a lot, then they would’ve listened to the community before Infinite. I think infinite will be a good change of pace. But they should’ve listened when it came to 5 and 4.
And slayer o5 There’s no reason a Spartan needs to put away their gun to run a little faster, they could run faster anyways. That’s how awesome they are… Just look at the cutscene for Osiris in the winter place.

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> > > > > Make the game with classic game play mechanics, more unlockable cosmetics (ie. something to work towards) and no micro transactions and you might have a winner of a game.
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> > > > if i see it good.
> > > > first from halo CE to halo 5 you add a lot off new mechanics and then on halo 6 go downhill with the mechanics again thats more like remove a lot off update’s from your computer.
> > > > so far i know is that game’s upgrade there mechanics only and never go downhill with it at a long time.
> > > > to keep classic game mechanics in the game’s like now you have to keep going on with it at the start off halo reach all but since there release halo 4 and 5 all with lot off new mechanics there not going downgrade the game with a lot off classic mechanics only that there are a group off players not happy with it.
> > > > you have to deal with it mechanics there adding in the game and accept it and if you not wane accept it not buy it then if you not like the new mechanics.
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> > > That was literally painful to read. If I am to understand what you wrote, and I’m not saying that I do, you say that every new mechanic added to the game was an increase in quality. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I would go so far as to say that everything that enhanced movement (aka sprint, mantle), created unbalanced game starts (aka loadouts) and the like was not an improvement for Halo and that reverting back to the core gameplay that the series was built upon would be a great way to refresh a series that propelled the Xbox brand to the forefront of the gaming market. But hey, you like sprint, so screw everyone else especially since there are no other games on the market where you can get all of the same mechanics. It’s almost like I have never played another game where I can sprint, shoot, climb walls, and throw grenades while superman punching another player into the ground. Wait they call that game COD.
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> > It’s okay man. I can’t take his posts serious at this point lol
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> > #classichaloFTW
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> is it more i not share the same meaning like yours that i have my own meaning about things like this and see it diffrend then yours if you have something good to replay do it then since this shows more you hate to have a good discussion with somebody that have other idea’s and like other things about the game.

No, I think it’s the fact that people can’t actually understand you. The grammar, spelling, and punctuation is all wrong. So I get why they say it’s hard to understand you

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> first off all why you not read first the 5th post back from your post on this thread and you find somebody that not belive it and then you can ask it to him about it.

Nothing about ownership.
My interpretation of the post was about the design choices i343 has made with Halo.

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> my modern i see in game’s are sprinting,jumping,climb on things,and new mechanics you not have see in other game’s like ground pound or spartan crash are things i call modern.i call halo 4 and halo 5 also modern more with the grafic’s the weapons are looking much better then the first time i have play halo and that was halo 3.

All old mechanics found in different games over the years, in different iterations.

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> the new generations never have feel how it was without sprint or other new mechanics we see today in game’s and most off all.

Apart from, you know, CSGO, Doom 2016, upcoming Doom, Vermintide 2, MechWarrior, Overwatch and so forth.

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> but then again is the question there most ask there own most halo follow the new generations off game’s to get new fans and that means you get a lot off new mechanics in the game and most off it stay with the old mechanics and that the new generations choose faster for game’s like call of duty or battlefield then for halo since there thinking its not from this time with the mechanics.

And you don’t think that this “new generation” doesn’t like Good well developed games regardless of what the games contain in terms of mechanics?

I see no point in chasing an easily persuaded demographic seeing as that demographic will jump on the next new things with shinier gadgets. There’s no longevity with that.

Halo CE is regarded to be the fastest of all Halos in terms of pacing, while having all but the most basically of abilities and the same movement speed as Halo 2 and Halo 3.
Furthermore, Battle Royal games are immensely popular right now and they, in pacing, I’ve experiences as quite slow. So while some may prefer faster pacing than Halo, grouping together People in “new generation” and saying they go for faster games is quite misleading considering BR’s popularity.

Lastly, pretty much every mechanic added is from mid 90’s / Early 2000, what has happened is a stagnation where games copy the leader, and little innovation take place.
This also tangent another thing. There are other mechanics to test out and play with other than “every day actions” and whatever mechanic happen to be popular at the moment.

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> Nothing about ownership.
> My interpretation of the post was about the design choices i343 has made with Halo.

first of all nice to see you here also it seems we both gone have a super long disscusion about a lot off points we disagree on still its fun to see a friendly face more here to have a other point off disscusion.

back to topic.
i think that 343 is not to blame for it with the halo direction there now going since it was more the last direction made by bungie with halo reach and who knows if bungie was developing halo still who knows there doing the same with halo 4 like 343 has done and keep on with the direction that has begon who knows if it was a diffrend if bungie was developing it still and since there not developing it more nobody gone knows it.

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> All old mechanics found in different games over the years, in different iterations.

its with all game’s that have took big chance’s to there game’s back in that time with new mechanics and not going for some off the old one’s.
most off the old mechanics are not wrong and some items from the good old time’s have been chance to new mechanics the double jump is more the same as the grav lift item in halo 3 and it has also become a jet pack.

that some off the old mechanics can make a return in halo is true but still you need to give then a good update.
like dual wield some off the weapons is a good thing like for a few weapons like UNSC pistol and SMG and needler but then you have it more.

BTW was Warzone not also a Battle royal mode more?

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> Umm… Yeah if they cared about Halo a lot, then they would’ve listened to the community before Infinite. I think infinite will be a good change of pace. But they should’ve listened when it came to 5 and 4.
> And slayer o5 There’s no reason a Spartan needs to put away their gun to run a little faster, they could run faster anyways. That’s how awesome they are… Just look at the cutscene for Osiris in the winter place.

there have listing why you think most off the news there give us in the past few month’s like the halo reach armor system is coming back.
and there going back to the roots and i think its gone be from halo reach and starting there again with some off the things.
and hallo its there 3th game there gone release and that the first 2 halo’s from then are not perfect is true but there have learn from it that in halo 4 there have going to far with it and now its looking from halo reach maybe again from what was more a good direction with halo 4 what we have miss.
the main thing most agree with and some old school players also most give then respect to is let then first make few mistake’s then there can learn from it.
and thats now happing there have make with 2 halo titels some mistake’s and there are learning from it and thats something we most agree with.

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Honestly, as long as they keep sprint and add back equipment, a happy medium between old and new. I’d be happy and sounds like a good time. Keeps a slight “randomness” in and I think the concept for sprint for HALO was nailed in Halo 5. Just my subjective opinion.

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> Let’s hope old movement mechanics don’t return. In this day and age of games barely anyone is going to like no sprinting, even old halo players. There is no reason a spartan that can flip a tank can’t sprint.

lore shouldn’t affect gameplay mechanics

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> Let’s hope old movement mechanics don’t return. In this day and age of games barely anyone is going to like no sprinting, even old halo players. There is no reason a spartan that can flip a tank can’t sprint.

Notice how every single anti sprint argument has to do with the mechanic itself? Saying “There is no reason a spartan that can flip a tank can’t sprint” doesn’t automatically make sprint a good mechanic for Halo.

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> > Umm… Yeah if they cared about Halo a lot, then they would’ve listened to the community before Infinite. I think infinite will be a good change of pace. But they should’ve listened when it came to 5 and 4.
> > And slayer o5 There’s no reason a Spartan needs to put away their gun to run a little faster, they could run faster anyways. That’s how awesome they are… Just look at the cutscene for Osiris in the winter place.
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> there have listing why you think most off the news there give us in the past few month’s like the halo reach armor system is coming back.
> and there going back to the roots and i think its gone be from halo reach and starting there again with some off the things.
> and hallo its there 3th game there gone release and that the first 2 halo’s from then are not perfect is true but there have learn from it that in halo 4 there have going to far with it and now its looking from halo reach maybe again from what was more a good direction with halo 4 what we have miss.
> the main thing most agree with and some old school players also most give then respect to is let then first make few mistake’s then there can learn from it.
> and thats now happing there have make with 2 halo titels some mistake’s and there are learning from it and thats something we most agree with.

And I agree with the fact that 343i has made mistakes and they have learned from them. I believe that they will do amazing with infinite. And I think we all should give 343 the benefit of the doubt. 343 Is a studio created entirely for Halo, and they will stay with Halo as long as it lasts, which means, once 343 gets Halo right, they will continue to do so. If it was any other studio, they probably would’ve done worse than 343, and we would have the same cycle for Halo over and over again. First two games aren’t that great, third ones awesome, then they stop with halo. I’m glad 343 was created, because then we could’ve had the borderlands creators making Halo. But I still think that they should’ve started out listening to what the community wants.

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> And I agree with the fact that 343i has made mistakes and they have learned from them. I believe that they will do amazing with infinite. And I think we all should give 343 the benefit of the doubt. 343 Is a studio created entirely for Halo, and they will stay with Halo as long as it lasts, which means, once 343 gets Halo right, they will continue to do so. If it was any other studio, they probably would’ve done worse than 343, and we would have the same cycle for Halo over and over again. First two games aren’t that great, third ones awesome, then they stop with halo. I’m glad 343 was created, because then we could’ve had the borderlands creators making Halo. But I still think that they should’ve started out listening to what the community wants.

that 343 is only for halo game’s is good there see the most inportent things that make’s it a halo game and not like companys that are making other game’s also then you know its wrong.
but what i disagree with you is that there most started listing to what the community whats thats not true.
there are doing it all but there have other things also on there minde since like you told its a company that is only making halo game’s and that means all things like sprint and other mechanics that most off then wane see remove from the game and go back to the halo 3 time’s is something there not see since its there job on the line also and if there keep it more old school all time with not entering new mechanics in it there see also that most off the new generation not gone buy the new halo game’s more since there see its more a old game from the past and its staying there and you know at some point there losing money on it and its bye for 343 and maybe a other company make’s halo but then you get it what most players call it more copying from COD that it become’s a other COD game more with class you most choose out to play with thats something we all not wane see.
there trying to keep the main core as halo and not trying to make it a other COD game.
sure there trying things what COD has but is trying things still not good then not trying.
there see maybe things what we not see as comunety.
and you cant make a game with only wish’s off the comunnety since then its gone become worse in sale’s.

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> And I think we all should give 343 the benefit of the doubt.

We already did plenty of times and they botched it almost every single occasion. Both intentionally and accidentally.

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> 343 Is a studio created entirely for Halo, and they will stay with Halo as long as it lasts, which means, once 343 gets Halo right, they will continue to do so.

They’ve been on Halo for a decade now, and they haven’t so far. Also, even if they did at some point in the future, people join and leave the studio perpetually. As soon as somebody in the higher ranks gets replaced, all bets are off again.

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> If it was any other studio, they probably would’ve done worse than 343

That’s pretty big speculation there. In the same way, I could name at least half a dozen studios that I’d assume would have done an immensely better job from the get-go, just based on past and contemporary work.

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> and we would have the same cycle for Halo over and over again. First two games aren’t that great, third ones awesome, then they stop with halo.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Are you referring to any specific developer/series? Because usually when you release two -Yoink- games, you don’t get to make a third one. So far 343 completely fits the bill of the first half of the sentence and if it were any other studio, they’d have been dissolved long ago.

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> I’m glad 343 was created, because then we could’ve had the borderlands creators making Halo.

Gearbox? I wish! That would quite literally have been the very first company I’d have given the franchise to as they sit at the very top of the aforementioned list of developers…

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> But I still think that they should’ve started out listening to what the community wants.

Well, at least we agree on that part…

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> there trying to keep the main core as halo and not trying to make it a other COD game.

Well, not CoD specifically… but most of the new additions to the formula have been blatantly stolen from other franchises…

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> sure there trying things what COD has but is trying things still not good then not trying.

Wrong.
“Never change a running system”
“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”
Not screwing up is always more important than changing for the sake of change.

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> there see maybe things what we not see as comunety.

Yes. They see dollar signs.
Or at least they thought so…

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> and you cant make a game with only wish’s off the comunnety since then its gone become worse in sale’s.

And your proof is…? Because as far as I know, that’s so rarely been done that it’s hard to gauge a game’s success based on how much they listen to the community. However, we do know that games will fail terribly if the old community gets alienated and no new players are there to take their place. And I’m not (just) talking about Halo here…