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> … and generally acknowledging all the flaws that Halo has while ignoring all the good it has, it really makes me angry.
I understand that. To me though, the good that Halo always has was the community. I could go on and on about how I preferred Bungies art style or sound design, but those are subjective. The thing that has always stood out to me about Halo was what the community was capable of. I could talk lengths about Halos gameplay, what I found unique about it, what I think was strong and set it apart from other series, but what set it most apart was the community. You don’t have “The Halo Forge Epidemic” in CoD. You don’t have “Red Vs Blue” in CoD. You don’t have Forgehub, or Grifball, or HaloCustoms, or speed Halo, or any of the other amazing things this community has pumped out over the years.
And it feels like every action 343i takes hurts the community. Removing splitscreen, removing elites, launching the game with a broken fileshare, launching the game without forge at all. Removing features from theatre, dumbing down customs, launching the gamew with 1/3 the gametypes players have come to expect and releasing the missing ones as DLC. Butchering the most popular community gametype and leaving the other out. They’re taking the most creative console community out there (before minecraft) and shoving it into the dirt for the sake of their “Spartan Experience.”
And that’s what makes me angry. They have this gorgeous community, it’s a content and hype generating machine, yet they’re doing their utmost to -Yoink- that community over at every goddamned turn.
And yeah, I personally preferred Bungies gameplay. I don’t like sprint, I don’t like clamber, I didn’t like loadouts or ordinance (the rest is ok). Yes, I preferred bungies art style and sound design, but 343i is taking my dislike for their design changes and throwing it on top of my contempt for the bucthering of the player experience. It makes me -Yoinking!- livid. I could live with the art changes and the sound changes, but this is a case of “the straw that broke the camels back.”
You think it’s sad that people don’t acknowledge the good that Halo has, and this makes you angry. 343i screwing over everything I enjoyed about Halo makes me angry. I try to remain objective and polite around here, but I’m fuming with 343i’s decisions. We don’t need another goddamned single player pretty pictures experience. We don’t need another immersion driven multiplayer experience. We have all that. Battlefield is there, Call of Duty is there, Star Wars Battlefront and Titanfall or there.
What isn’t there is Halo. And I’m fine with 343i focusing on the story for campaign, I respect that and their artistic decisions. But many of those decisions are coming at the expense of what I personally believe gave Halo its soul, and that pisses me right the hell off.
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> 343 Made halo their own, crafting the universe to their own will.
And you know what? I’m fine with that. I respect that 343i wants to make this their own game. But they should never have made it a continuation. They should never have treated it like it was the sequel to what Bungie created. If you’re going to make your own thing, make it your own thing. Don’t lie to us time and time again that it’s “going back to its roots” while pushing more and more to change any and every detail you possibly can about the series.
And don’t screw over the community that’s spent the last 12 years playing the game in the process.
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> Instead of comparing it to another game, what if we regarded it as it’s own?
Because I played Halo for a reason. I enjoyed the previous style, yes, I’ll openly admit I preferred Bungies Halo to 343i’s. That’s not me being anti change, the Halo games changed plenty from CE to Reach, and I loved every one of them. This is me openly stating that 343i’s changes have turned it into something that doesn’t even feel vaguely like the game I’d originally fallen in love with.
I do treat it like a new/different game, because that’s what it is. And honestly, I don’t like it. You can tell me “then go play something else”, but there is nothing else. No other series out there even offers a close approximation of what Halo did.
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> I’ve said negative things too, but this is just absurd when 85% posts on the forums is regret and disdain for halo 5
Can you blame people for not agreeing with 343i’s decision? Sure, they can’t please everyone, but people are always going to complain. One thing to keep in mind, on a separate note from my ranting (which isn’t directed at you by the way), is that most people coming to the forums will do so because they dislike the game, or they have an issue they want to share. Those who enjoy the game are happily playing it, and don’t feel the need to talk about it here.
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> Not having splitscreen sucks, but it ‘is’ 2015, and I feel like the overall experience is better this way even though those that actively used that feature will miss it.
Again, this isn’t directed at you, but… You know what? -Yoink- that justification. -Yoink- that justification in particular. “Every game has to have sprint! It’s 2015 guys, come on!” “Splitscreen isn’t a thing anymore, it’s 2015 guys, come on!” “Everything you loved is dead but that’s ok because it’s 2015 and that’s the way it is, come on!”
I’m so sick and -Yoinking!- tired of people putting an arbitrary box around what a game can and cannot have based on year of release. You know what most game released in 2012 didn’t have? An economy system where you had to buy weapons, hip-fire only, objective oriented gameplay. Did that stop counter-strike? Nope. You know what most games released in 2011 didn’t have? Blocks. -Yoinking!-. Everywhere. Did that stop Minecraft? Absolutely -Yoinking!- not.
Don’t justify the removal of community features by “it’s 2015!!!”. Furthermore, in what way does removing this make the experience better? Can you tell me that? In what way would an optional part of the experience that would have had no effect on singleplayer in the first place been detrimental to the quality of the game? I don’t see how the removal of splitscreen makes anything any better for anybody, but I can clearly see how it makes it worse for people like myself who absolutely adore the ability to play with their friends and family.
If you want to justify 343i’s actions, do so, but don’t give me stupid excuse like “it’s 2015.” If I wanted that I’d go to sprint threads.
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> but for now let’s focus on what we have and enjoying that.
Aye. I don’t say what I’m saying in an effort to make somebody else not enjoy the game. If you like it, all the more power to you. I have nothing against people who like 343i’s decisions, or Halo 5, or any of that. People like what they like, I’m not faulting anyone for that in fact I’m happy for you.
I’m just tired of people acting like it’s wrong to be angry with 343i, and tired of false justifications. There is no justification for the removal of splitscreen. If they wanted it, they would have put it in there just like they did with the dynamic resolution to make 60fps work. It’s a matter of priority, and most of the things I enjoyed about Halo clearly weren’t theirs.
And just as an aside, I swear I’m not directing my anger at you or anyone else. This is a venting of my frustration and nothing more, I apologize profusely if anyone is upset by this. It’s not my intent.