The real reason why MCC is like this

Games Halo: The Master Chief Collection
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This is a theory based on FACTS on how a business works (especially Microsoft, a company that I’ve seen push out many incomplete games over the past 10+ years.) 343 wanted it’s loved community back. They know what you guys love and wanted to bring it back in 1 package. They let Microsoft know what their intentions were and MS gave them the right away on ONE condition… that it will be available for the holidays. Knowing it won’t be ready, 343i told MS that they don’t have enough time but MS was so adamant on releasing it around the holiday that they began outsourcing various different parts of the game to idiots like Saber Interactive. Microsoft chose Saber because Saber can apparently use “Russia’s vast Computer Science, artistic rendering, and fine art talent pool while reducing costs of game development”. Microsoft chose the makers of R.I.P.D. The Game to port classic Halo games. All of this outsourcing (especially to -Yoinks!- like Saber Interactive) gave 343i little time to complete the User Interface, which is commonly the last aspect worked on in a game, for MCC. 343i needed time and they desperately tried for it but Microsoft said no. Stop thinking 343i is the “devil” of Halo when they’re actually the only people trying to save it.

When you outsource a game that tells me and anybody taking a business class one thing; you’re trying to get as many personnel to complete a product in a certain amount of time with least production cost as possible. A game developer doesn’t give a -Yoink!- about production cost because the publisher is the one handing them the money. Microsoft wanted to make a quick dollar and the community has been blaming the wrong people ever since.

inb4 “they would leave Microsoft if this is the case” COMPLETELY FALSE. First off, other publishers like Nintendo and Sony and EA don’t want anything to do with Halo. They either have their own games or they have seen our community crumble like I have. Second, killing production on a game that has been liked by most of the community (Halo 5) would be a complete disaster and would be the final nail in the coffin.

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I just laughed when you said Saber are idiots.

That is all.

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Both 343i and Microsoft are to blame for this. No one said blame goes to one sole character.

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> I just laughed when you said Saber is idiots.
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Every single one of their games besides Timeshift has TERRIBLE scores from every critic website. Care to say why you thought it was funny?

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it’s just a theory not the real reason behind this mess. I see it as 343 had a deadline and couldn’t deliver.

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> Both 343i and Microsoft are to blame for this. No one said blame goes to one sole character.

I agree that both are to blame for certain things. As far as rushing the game I feel it’s Microsoft 75% for not giving the developer more time and 343i 25% for not setting a proper deadline. For all we know 343 could have had nice progress but THEN MS decided to outsource and make it quicker. Or not. Knowing Microsoft’s track record I wouldn’t be surprised though. Sure 343 also doesn’t have a good track record but can you really compare 1 bad game to the thousands of games that MS has pushed out of the door?

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> > I just laughed when you said Saber is idiots.
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> Every single one of their games besides Timeshift has TERRIBLE scores from every critic website. Care to say why you thought it was funny?

Are critics the final say if a game is good? Hell, even MCC has near perfect marks from most critics.

If you think their work was terrible in CEA and H2A campaign you should probably go reevaluate all your major life decisions.

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Ok. I’ll bite. What gives? Why are you posting THIS all over again? This is the second time I’ve seen you post this same exact story. Look, if you have something here which you can verify as truth then by all means do tell.

Otherwise, I have to wonder why you keep attempting to pedal this on all of us if you know nothing more than we do, and only have their silence from which to draw our own conclusions.

IF you’re story is true and IF you can confirm it as being so, I’d also like to know why 343 can’t be big boys and girls and speak for themselves. Why am I needing to be told this by a community member when it’s their JOB to communicate with me as their paying customer?

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Also 343i is a department within Microsoft! Microsoft made 343i from scratch. They did not agree to terms with a previously established team of developers whom existed separately before working at Microsoft. I’m really beginning to wonder if some of you are not rewarded in some form or fashion by MS to come on here and convolute this entire mess further. When you speak of 343 as if they are something separate from Microsoft you are talking out of your man holes. 343 is a studio within Microsoft, organized by Microsoft, hired by Microsoft, and their pay checks come from Microsoft.

They are JUST AS MUCH MICROSOFT as those who WORK ON THE XBOX ITSLEF! I don’t hear people talking about the xbox department as a separate entity from that of Microsoft. Why is that? Is it because they didn’t get a special title like 343? Is it because they haven’t needed to send people out on an agenda to confuse and convolute? Seriously, WTF? Halo is made by MICROSOFT now. That’s been the case since the day Bungie signed on the dotted line to hand over all of Halo TO MICROSOFT! Find me a phone number for 343 Industries. Please, go ahead and give it your best shot to find one. THERE ISN’T ONE! If 343 were NOT Microsoft, then guess what? THEY’D BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A TELEPHONE NUMBER LISTED UNDER THEIR OWN NAME!

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> Ok. I’ll bite. What gives? Why are you posting THIS all over again? This is the second time I’ve seen you post this same exact story. Look, if you have something here which you can verify as truth then by all means do tell.
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> Otherwise, I have to wonder why you keep attempting to pedal this on all of us if you know nothing more than we do, and only have their silence from which to draw our own conclusions.
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> IF you’re story is true and IF you can confirm it as being so, I’d also like to know why 343 can’t be big boys and girls and speak for themselves. Why am I needing to be told this by a community member when it’s their JOB to communicate with me as the

I posted a modified version of my first post because I continue to see people point their finger at 1 sole company. Both company is at fault yet people think it’s only 343’s doing.

You want 343i to call out the publisher that is giving them money? Your response to this thread was as stupid as the one you posted on my 1st thread.

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> Also 343i is a department within Microsoft! Microsoft made 343i from scratch. They did not agree to terms with a previously established team of developers whom existed separately before working at Microsoft. I’m really beginning to wonder if some of you are not rewarded in some form or fashion by MS to come on here and convolute this entire mess further. When you speak of 343 as if they are something separate from Microsoft you are talking out of your man holes. 343 is a studio within Microsoft, organized by Microsoft, hired by Microsoft, and their pay checks come from Microsoft.
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> They are JUST AS MUCH MICROSOFT as those who WORK ON THE XBOX ITSLEF! I don’t hear people talking about the xbox department as a separate entity from that of Microsoft. Why is that? Is it because they didn’t get a special title like 343? Is it because they haven’t needed to send people out on an agenda to confuse and convolute? Seriously, WTF? Halo is made by MICROSOFT now. That’s been the case since the day Bungie signed on the dotted line to hand over all of Halo TO MICROSOFT! Find me a phone number for 343 Industries. Please, go ahead and give it your best shot to find one. THERE ISN’T ONE! If 343 were NOT Microsoft, then guess what? THEY’D BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A TELEPHONE NUMBER LISTED UNDER THEIR OWN NAME!

So… 343 is owned by Microsoft. That doesn’t mean 343 can make MS change the date of release. Microsoft will do whatever they want if they see a profit come from it.

As far as phone numbers go, In 2008 Bungie’s phone number was leaked when they were owned by Microsoft. Does that mean they were separate? NOPE

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> > Ok. I’ll bite. What gives? Why are you posting THIS all over again? This is the second time I’ve seen you post this same exact story. Look, if you have something here which you can verify as truth then by all means do tell.
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> > Otherwise, I have to wonder why you keep attempting to pedal this on all of us if you know nothing more than we do, and only have their silence from which to draw our own conclusions.
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> > IF you’re story is true and IF you can confirm it as being so, I’d also like to know why 343 can’t be big boys and girls and speak for themselves. Why am I needing to be told this by a community member when it’s their JOB to communicate with me as their paying customer?
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> I posted a modified version of my first post because I continue to see people point their finger at 1 sole company. Both company is at fault yet people think it’s only 343’s doing.
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> You want 343i to call out the publisher that is giving them money? Your response to this thread was as stupid as the one you posted on my 1st thread (which I debunked in 2 sentences.)

You’re right, it’s stupid to not allow a publisher to force you to release unfinished work and absolutely DESTROY any and all credibility your name has going forward. You’re absolutely right. It’s such a brilliant idea to just suck it up and allow a publisher to ruin any and all future prospects for most everyone within your development studio’s careers outside of the publisher’s own parameters. It’s just incredibly genius to be so focused upon not rocking the boat so you don’t miss your next paycheck that you just hand your entire life’s career over to the publisher who forcibly attempts to make you do something so clearly wrong, as in unquestionably bad for everyone involved, even perhaps for the pub themselves. You’re 100% correct, dude. Never stand up for what’s right because that might cost you some paychecks!

I don’t THINK about which party is at fault, so quit asserting that I have EVER DONE SO! My entire stance on this issue is that THEY ARE MICROSOFT EMPLOYEES! This is very different from when Bungie and Microsoft worked together as two separate entities in a partnership under a contractual agreement.

At the end of the day, I DO NOT CARE WHO’S FAULT IT IS! What I am concerned with is Halo and this -Yoink- game. Why you are so hung up on the companies involved, and expect myself and others who have ZERO contact with ANY of them is absolutely beyond my comprehension. I don’t give a -Yoink-. I will reward them with my money when they do well and I will withhold that very reward when they do poorly. That’s where my power lies in this situation and for me to become concerned with office drama between a couple Microsoft departments would be absolutely pointless! SO I DON’T CONCERN MYSELF WITH IT!

You’re a piece of work. You can call me stupid, but you are on here talking about nothing you can confirm or have even experienced (PLEASE! CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG)

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> > Also 343i is a department within Microsoft! Microsoft made 343i from scratch. They did not agree to terms with a previously established team of developers whom existed separately before working at Microsoft. I’m really beginning to wonder if some of you are not rewarded in some form or fashion by MS to come on here and convolute this entire mess further. When you speak of 343 as if they are something separate from Microsoft you are talking out of your man holes. 343 is a studio within Microsoft, organized by Microsoft, hired by Microsoft, and their pay checks come from Microsoft.
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> > They are JUST AS MUCH MICROSOFT as those who WORK ON THE XBOX ITSLEF! I don’t hear people talking about the xbox department as a separate entity from that of Microsoft. Why is that? Is it because they didn’t get a special title like 343? Is it because they haven’t needed to send people out on an agenda to confuse and convolute? Seriously, WTF? Halo is made by MICROSOFT now. That’s been the case since the day Bungie signed on the dotted line to hand over all of Halo TO MICROSOFT! Find me a phone number for 343 Industries. Please, go ahead and give it your best shot to find one. THERE ISN’T ONE! If 343 were NOT Microsoft, then guess what? THEY’D BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A TELEPHONE NUMBER LISTED UNDER THEIR OWN NAME!
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> So… 343 is owned by Microsoft. That doesn’t mean 343 can make MS change the date of release. Microsoft will do whatever they want if they see a profit come from it.
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> As far as phone numbers go, In 2008 Bungie’s phone number was leaked when they were owned by Microsoft. Does that mean they were separate? NOPE

BUNGIE WAS SEPARATE! They existed before Microsoft and they exist after MS!

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> That doesn’t mean 343 can make MS change the date of release. Microsoft will do whatever they want if they see a profit come from it.

You tell me WTF MS is going to publish if the material necessary to publish is withheld and refused. You’re the one claiming MS KNEW it wasn’t ready and was the only ones who didn’t care, so you clearly believe it to be true. If you believe it to be true, then why in the world would refusing to relinquish such a clearly unready product that will so obviously only cause problems for the dev’s, the customers, AND EVENTUALLY EVEN THE PUB’s, be ANYTHING other than a noble act? HOW can you say that is a STUPID thing to do, unless YOU are only focused upon MONEY yourself? Please enlighten the hell out of me.

When you’re done with that, please do tell me where 343 Industries was located and working as a formally established business entity prior to Microsoft creating them. I’m interested to see how you manage to prove 343’s existence prior to it coming into existence. I’m really interested to see how you manage that, because in order for you to say they are NOT just another branch of MS itself will require that much of you at the very least.

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> > > Ok. I’ll bite. What gives? Why are you posting THIS all over again? This is the second time I’ve seen you post this same exact story. Look, if you have something here which you can verify as truth then by all means do tell.
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> > > Otherwise, I have to wonder why you keep attempting to pedal this on all of us if you know nothing more than we do, and only have their silence from which to draw our own conclusions.
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> > > IF you’re story is true and IF you can confirm it as being so, I’d also like to know why 343 can’t be big boys and girls and speak for themselves. Why am I needing to be told this by a community member when it’s their JOB to communicate with me as their paying customer?
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> > I posted a modified version of my first post because I continue to see people point their finger at 1 sole company. Both company is at fault yet people think it’s only 343’s doing.
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> > You want 343i to call out the publisher that is giving them money? Your response to this thread was as stupid as the one you posted on my 1st thread (which I debunked in 2 sentences.)
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> You’re right, it’s stupid to not just allow a publisher to force you to release unfinished work and absolutely DESTROY any and all credibility your name has going forward. You’re absolutely right. It’s such a brilliant idea to just suck it up and allow a publisher to ruin any and all future prospects for most everyone within your development studio’s careers outside of the publisher’s own parameters. It’s just incredibly genius to be so focused upon not rocking the boat so you don’t miss your next paycheck that you just hand your entire life’s career over to the publisher who forcibly attempts to make you do something so clearly wrong, as in unquestionably bad for everyone involved, even perhaps for the pub themselves. You’re 100% correct, dude. Never stand up for what’s right because that might cost you some paychecks!
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> I don’t THINK about which party is at fault, so quit asserting that I have EVER DONE SO! My entire stance on this issue is that THEY ARE MICROSOFT EMPLOYEES! This is very different from when Bungie and Microsoft worked together as two separate entities in a partnership under a contractual agreement.
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> At the end of the day, I DO NOT CARE WHO’S FAULT IT IS! What I am concerned with is Halo and this -Yoink- game. Why you are so hung up on the companies involved, and expect myself and others who have ZERO contact with ANY of them is absolutely beyond my comprehension. I don’t give a -Yoink-. I will reward them with my money when they do well and I will withhold that very reward when they do poorly. That’s where my power lies in this situation and for me to become concerned with office drama between a couple Microsoft departments would be absolutely pointless! SO I DON’T CONCERN MYSELF WITH IT!
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> You’re a piece of work. You can call me stupid, but you are on here talking about nothing you can confirm or have even experienced (PLEASE! CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG)

I never said it was wrong to let the publisher push you around, It is absolutely wrong and shouldn’t happen and it’s probably why this game is -Yoink!- in the first place. What I’m saying is 343 would never go out and say it was rushed because that makes Microsoft look bad and they can’t do that because that’s the people that own them and is giving them money.

When I say “yet people think it’s only 343’s doing.” I am referring to the people who think it’s solely 343’s doing. I never said you think it was 343’s doing. Microsoft bought out Bungie meaning they OWNED Bungie. How is this different?

I got so hung up when I was watching a Halo tournament and the chat was full of hate. Real hate from people that I see everyday truly hating 343. You say you don’t concern yourself with it so you feel the need to post in a thread that does concern about it?

I never called you stupid, just the response you gave me. Yeah I sort of already said I can’t confirm this. That’s why it’s called a THEORY

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> > > > Ok. I’ll bite. What gives? Why are you posting THIS all over again? This is the second time I’ve seen you post this same exact story. Look, if you have something here which you can verify as truth then by all means do tell.
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> > > > Otherwise, I have to wonder why you keep attempting to pedal this on all of us if you know nothing more than we do, and only have their silence from which to draw our own conclusions.
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> > > > IF you’re story is true and IF you can confirm it as being so, I’d also like to know why 343 can’t be big boys and girls and speak for themselves. Why am I needing to be told this by a community member when it’s their JOB to communicate with me as their paying customer?
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> > > I posted a modified version of my first post because I continue to see people point their finger at 1 sole company. Both company is at fault yet people think it’s only 343’s doing.
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> > > You want 343i to call out the publisher that is giving them money? Your response to this thread was as stupid as the one you posted on my 1st thread (which I debunked in 2 sentences.)
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> > You’re right, it’s stupid to not just allow a publisher to force you to release unfinished work and absolutely DESTROY any and all credibility your name has going forward. You’re absolutely right. It’s such a brilliant idea to just suck it up and allow a publisher to ruin any and all future prospects for most everyone within your development studio’s careers outside of the publisher’s own parameters. It’s just incredibly genius to be so focused upon not rocking the boat so you don’t miss your next paycheck that you just hand your entire life’s career over to the publisher who forcibly attempts to make you do something so clearly wrong, as in unquestionably bad for everyone involved, even perhaps for the pub themselves. You’re 100% correct, dude. Never stand up for what’s right because that might cost you some paychecks!
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> > I don’t THINK about which party is at fault, so quit asserting that I have EVER DONE SO! My entire stance on this issue is that THEY ARE MICROSOFT EMPLOYEES! This is very different from when Bungie and Microsoft worked together as two separate entities in a partnership under a contractual agreement.
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> > At the end of the day, I DO NOT CARE WHO’S FAULT IT IS! What I am concerned with is Halo and this -Yoink- game. Why you are so hung up on the companies involved, and expect myself and others who have ZERO contact with ANY of them is absolutely beyond my comprehension. I don’t give a -Yoink-. I will reward them with my money when they do well and I will withhold that very reward when they do poorly. That’s where my power lies in this situation and for me to become concerned with office drama between a couple Microsoft departments would be absolutely pointless! SO I DON’T CONCERN MYSELF WITH IT!
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> > You’re a piece of work. You can call me stupid, but you are on here talking about nothing you can confirm or have even experienced (PLEASE! CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG)
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> I never said it was wrong to let the publisher push you around, It is absolutely wrong and shouldn’t happen and it’s probably why this game is -Yoink!- in the first place. What I’m saying is 343 would never go out and say it was rushed because that makes Microsoft look bad and they can’t do that because that’s the people that own them and is giving them money.
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> When I say “yet people think it’s only 343’s doing.” I am referring to the people who think it’s solely 343’s doing. I never said you think it was 343’s doing. Microsoft bought out Bungie meaning they OWNED Bungie. How is this different?
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> I got so hung up when I was watching a Halo tournament and the chat was full of hate. Real hate from people that I see everyday truly hating 343. You say you don’t concern yourself with it so you feel the need to post in a thread that does concern about it?
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> I never called you stupid, just the response you gave me. Yeah I sort of already said I can’t confirm this. That’s why it’s called a THEORY

WHAT GOOD IS THEIR MONEY IF IT CAN ONLY BE USED TO MAKE UNFINISHED PRODUCTS??? THINK!!! If the publisher is as bad as you are saying, and 343 is as innocent in this matter as you say they are, then they would be better suited to go find another publisher who might not have the funds MS does, but would at least maximize the potential end-product with whatever amount of $ they do have to offer 343i.
The chat was so full of hate because THEY’RE HOSTING TOURNAMENTS WHILE THEIR GAME IS NOT FINISHED!

I post in a thread that pedals something that A) In no way has been proven true whatsoever B) Is ENTIRELY out of our control, no matter if it’s true or not. C) Isn’t OUR CONCERN! with hopes to help others from becoming distracted by what they have no control over and therefore can ONLY produce fruitless bickering and contemplating over nothing at all. I post in here with hopes that EVEN YOU might finally realize it’s NOT YOUR BUSINESS ANYWAY!

You ought to not care what people say about a fricken company. The fact that you do shows you do NOT get that most people are concerned about Halo and do not give a flying -Yoink- about who is making it, but they care deeply as hell whether or not Halo is being treated properly. The only way in which we have to know whether or not Halo is being treated properly is via our evaluation of each Halo game itself, and looking back to other titles to examine where things have come, gone, and where they seem to be leading.

Until someone from within these matters comes out and exposes something such as you’ve alleged here, then it is all heresy and a distraction form what matters on our end. What matters on our end is whether or not we choose to support the collective group whom is responsible for both developing and publishing Halo games as of this moment in time. THAT’S ALL YOU AND I CAN DO…BUT!..

If you’d quit getting upset over passionate fans frustrations with a company you don’t work for, then perhaps you would help others to recognize it and thereby help further maximize our collective power as collective customer base. Our power is very insignificant until we combine it with one another. If you’d quit getting your hear strings plucked by something you don’t even know is true and is none of your damn business to begin with, then you might realize we DO have ENOUGH power to at least force SOME change for the better.

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When I found out it was broken… One thing came to mind…

SABOTAGE.

Either…

Bungie was in on it to preserve Destiny.
Sony was in on it to destroy Xbox.
343 was in on it to destroy Halo, or promote Halo 5 because Halo TMCC was going to ruin Halo 5.

…Just some conspiracy theories I whipped up…