The ranking systems broken & encourages boosting.

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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For 4 players around the same rank the ranking system can work fine, but at times the ranking system is completely broken based on who you are playing with.

The formula of the ranking system somehow takes the average CSR of both teams and levels you up or down accordingly when you win or lose. So if I had 3 diamonds on my team and we beat 4 low onyxs I would level up a lot, say 15-20 CSR. But with 3 higher champions on my team I would only level up 1csr for a win, or lose a ton for a loss.

Heres my example from today:

I was champ 113 at CSR:1997 in swat.
I had champ 7,10 and 25 on my team.

We played 13 games against onyx and champion teams and went 11-2. All 11 wins I gained 1csr, both losses I lost 30 CSR.

So after going 11-2 I went from CSR 1997 to 1948 and from champ 113 to champ 140.

I had to stop playing with those friends even though it was fun dominating, because I would eventually have lost my champ even if we won 9/10 games.

If I would play with the same 4 people but two would be on secondary smurf accounts that were platinums, we would play diamonds and low onyx players and I would go up 20csr for wins and down 5 for losses.

Just look at the swat leaderboards. Crow and online dater are champ 1 and 2 and they play with 2 bronze accounts and that’s why they have 10,000+ CSR. Because they dominate platinums and diamonds and go up 30csr a game.

I don’t think I need to explain how that ruins the game for people of all skill levels.

My rant is over.
Theres a huge flaw in the ranking system.

I don’t know what the best solution is, but the ranking system is broken.

  • Kyeros

UPDATE: As an experiment I played 11 games with 3 friends that were unranked in swat. We went 11-0 and from those 11 wins I gained 139csr, vs only gaining 1csr per game against much harder opponents with champs on my team.

Crazy how backwards that is.

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That’s interesting. I’m a lowly gold in slayer so I didn’t know how the champ ranking works. Sounds messed up. So we have smurf accounts at all levels undermining the ranking structure, monthly resets that make the whole thing a bit pointless, and server disconnects causing people to get hit by the banhammer (which was designed to protect the ranking system). This system needs a makeover.

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Yeah that sounds very flawed if that is actually how it is working.

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It’s been broken since day 1. I played like crap in slayer and I got ranked Dimond.

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I’m like platinum 5 right now and I have been playing with diamond and up. Mostly Onyx. One time it was like 6 onyx players and 1 champion, then there was me, platinum. There is something really wrong with the ranking system. Even though I have been ranked, I still end up playing with diamond and onyx players. Shouldn’t I be paired with other platinum players!?!? It’s so frustrating. Here’s one of those ridiculous games… (I tried to uploaded a version where their names were blacked out but I couldn’t :frowning:

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They shouldn’t be leveling up such large amounts if playing so far below their individua skilll level due to low leveled teammates& low leveled opponents

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> 2535468812026872;2:
> That’s interesting. I’m a lowly gold in slayer so I didn’t know how the champ ranking works. Sounds messed up. So we have smurf accounts at all levels undermining the ranking structure, monthly resets that make the whole thing a bit pointless, and server disconnects causing people to get hit by the banhammer (which was designed to protect the ranking system). This system needs a makeover.

So for example if you played with 3 silvers you would level up way faster then if you played with 3 diamonds which is kinda bizarre. I agree with the frustration with bans from lagging out, but I do like that quitters get banned so idk how to fix that. I like the monthly resets giving everyone a chance to start over and not get stuck on a rank and it get stale. Thanks for your comments.

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I think you level up less with high ranked teammates to prevent people from just getting “carried” to a high rank.

However it has the opposite affect 343 intended because now people just boost each other with smurfs.

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me and a buddy played on our smurf accounts earlier today, low gold and mid silver and matched up against online dater. he was champ 2 at that time and idk what he is now but playing champs on smurf accounts is absolutely ridiculous!

and i guess i cant link it. sorry!

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/710e8aa4-3f33-4b1a-bff0-7d95afc909bd/players/thtsjusittho?gameHistoryMatchIndex=5&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

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> me and a buddy played on our smurf accounts earlier today, low gold and mid silver and matched up against online dater. he was champ 2 at that time and idk what he is now but playing champs on smurf accounts is absolutely ridiculous!
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> and i guess i cant link it. sorry!
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> https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/710e8aa4-3f33-4b1a-bff0-7d95afc909bd/players/thtsjusittho?gameHistoryMatchIndex=5&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena

Yup, and he got to champ 2 playing silvers and golds all day. Some smurfs, and some actual low level players.

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Match making in general is just a cluster -Yoink-. Impossible to find a decent match

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Dude I totally understand your pain. Earlier while I playing FFA, I was three quarters of the way to Onyx from Diamond 6, and I lagged and disconnected one match and my CSR went down all the way to the beginning of Diamond Six. I’ve had this happen 4 times this season, and the amount of CSR points you lose for having a bad connection is ridiculous.

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It should be based on your skill alone and not others

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Interesting. I play often on a fireteam with Onyx ranked players. I’m usually Platinum and finish each season around Diamond. This faces me against players better than me a lot, so breaking even is good for me. Although, this would help explain why it’s so damn hard to level up when I play. Loses count more than wins in this situation, which makes no sense. However, playing with fireteam of all Platinum makes for some even competition. Also, if your winning half the time and losing half the time, your matches are pretty even, which is the goal.

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Boosting ranks is kind of dumb to me since I see Ranks as merely an attempt to create fair and balanced matchmaking.
What’s the point when your cheating ranks you too high and you get stuck playing people out of your league?

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> Boosting ranks is kind of dumb to me since I see Ranks as merely an attempt to create fair and balanced matchmaking.
> What’s the point when your cheating ranks you too high and you get stuck playing people out of your league?

Exactly. That’s why it’s broken. People are dumb.

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Wow I never knew that was how it worked, thanks for the post

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> > me and a buddy played on our smurf accounts earlier today, low gold and mid silver and matched up against online dater. he was champ 2 at that time and idk what he is now but playing champs on smurf accounts is absolutely ridiculous!
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> > and i guess i cant link it. sorry!
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> > https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/710e8aa4-3f33-4b1a-bff0-7d95afc909bd/players/thtsjusittho?gameHistoryMatchIndex=5&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=Arena
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> Yup, and he got to champ 2 playing silvers and golds all day. Some smurfs, and some actual low level players.

I don’t play swat but I noticed that online dater does this every season in swat, I found it by accident on the halo5arena website idk how no one else has noticed and done something about it

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“It’s broken and promotes boosting” has been said of every ranking system ever. The only way of discouraging the types of abuses you’re pointing out are to not allow players to rank up at all if they play with lower level players. Or to match strictly based on highest rank of party. I don’t consider either of those viable solutions.

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The ranking system in Halo 5 is by far the worst of any Halo to date IMO. It is the worst of any game ive ever played honestly. Id go as far to say that its the worst part of the entire game. I hate it.