The ranking system is weird, I have proof

Hey guys. Over the past few days, I created a smurf account to track if I could get Onyx in FFA first try, without the stats affecting my main.

Testing Radar

My first game I quit out because I was tired, but 9 games I finished. 1 game counted as a DNF (I actually won it), but everything else counted. Alright, no problem.

So, out of my 10 (The “DNF” didn’t hurt me, so lets ignore it) placement games, I got first place in 9. I won, 1st place, in 9 games. Why did I get put into Gold? I’m clearly no where near their skill level, I didn’t even make this count to smurf.

Fix the ranking system, this seriously shouldn’t be happening. I think a big issue is that it pairs you with people it thinks you should play, but when you beat them, it doesn’t change.

That last game was AR only, in case you wanted to know.

EDIT: More proof.

Final match for my warm up/mess around smurf on Slayer

Final match of the same smurf, Diamond 4.

First of all a brad new account cant place that hight. The highest it can place is platinum6. The reason you got placed lower than you think you should have is because you have never been ranked before. Now Next season it will keep trak of that and you will probably place in diamond.

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> First of all a brad new account cant place that hight. The highest it can place is platinum6. The reason you got placed lower than you think you should have is because you have never been ranked before. Now Next season it will keep trak of that and you will probably place in diamond.

Incorrect, it’s Onyx 1700 if I remember correctly. It’s to stop players from keeping their Champ rank.

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Like i said BRAND NEW ACCOUNTS cant place very high. Highest it can place is Platinum 6. The highest someone who has been a high rank before can place is ONYX 1700 yes if you were a high rank the season before.

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> Like i said BRAND NEW ACCOUNTS cant place very high. Highest it can place is Platinum 6. The highest someone who has been a high rank before can place is ONYX 1700 yes if you were a high rank the season before.

Then they are intentionally hurting the lower player base. I’m not sure. If I can go win basically every game and end up in Gold, how is anyone going to hit plat?

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> > > > First of all a brad new account cant place that hight. The highest it can place is platinum6. The reason you got placed lower than you think you should have is because you have never been ranked before. Now Next season it will keep trak of that and you will probably place in diamond.
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> Then they are intentionally hurting the lower player base. I’m not sure. If I can go win basically every game and end up in Gold, how is anyone going to hit plat?

Thats why you continue to play after placing and rank up to where you belong. Then the season after that you will place higher and against people around the same skill.
If you are playing low ranks you are going to place around that rank. You cant expect Onyx from beating silver6’s and Golds

People forget that the previous season(s) definitely effect where you rank in this season.

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> > > > > First of all a brad new account cant place that hight. The highest it can place is platinum6. The reason you got placed lower than you think you should have is because you have never been ranked before. Now Next season it will keep trak of that and you will probably place in diamond.
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> Thats why you continue to play after placing and rank up to where you belong. Then the season after that you will place higher and against people around the same skill.
> If you are playing low ranks you are going to place around that rank. You cant expect Onyx from beating silver6’s and Golds

Confused here. I went and checked my warm up smurf’s placing, and I lost 9 games but got ranked higher (Gold 6).

Explain.

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> > > > > > First of all a brad new account cant place that hight. The highest it can place is platinum6. The reason you got placed lower than you think you should have is because you have never been ranked before. Now Next season it will keep trak of that and you will probably place in diamond.
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> > > > Like i said BRAND NEW ACCOUNTS cant place very high. Highest it can place is Platinum 6. The highest someone who has been a high rank before can place is ONYX 1700 yes if you were a high rank the season before.
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> Confused here. I went and checked my warm up smurf’s placing, and I lost 9 games but got ranked higher (Gold 6).
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How old is your warm up smurf account? If it is older than this season, that explains it

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> > > > > > First of all a brad new account cant place that hight. The highest it can place is platinum6. The reason you got placed lower than you think you should have is because you have never been ranked before. Now Next season it will keep trak of that and you will probably place in diamond.
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> Confused here. I went and checked my warm up smurf’s placing, and I lost 9 games but got ranked higher (Gold 6).
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Well whats the tag? Let me loook at the stats and game history? Ive won 2/10 games before and placed Onyx but thats cus i was a high onyx and in my placements i was facing High Onyx to champs.

I was thinking the same my smurfing account that I use for getting used to a new button lay out would rank higher than I am.

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> Well whats the tag? Let me loook at the stats and game history? Ive won 2/10 games before and placed Onyx but thats cus i was a high onyx and in my placements i was facing High Onyx to champs.

I updated the OP. I placed Diamond 4 in FFA, and Gold 5 or 6 for warm up Slayer.

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The smurf account was created August and I got Gold 6 for my FIRST 10 matches. I updated the OP.

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> Hey guys. Over the past few days, I created a smurf account to track if I could get Onyx in FFA first try, without the stats affecting my main.
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> Testing RadarEDIT: More proof.
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> Final match for my warm up/mess around smurf on SlayerFinal match of the same smurf, Diamond 4.

Well thats in August and they have tweaked the ranking system several times since then. I dont remember how it worked then but i see you were matched against onyx players that explains the higher placement. In slayer it looks like you were losing on purpose having 2 kills against silver players i’d say you were trolling or purposely losing on that account.

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> Well thats in August and they have tweaked the ranking system several times since then. I dont remember how it worked then but i see you were matched against onyx players that explains the higher placement. In slayer it looks like you were losing on purpose having 2 kills against silver players i’d say you were trolling or purposely losing on that account.

I was. But I still placed higher then trying to win.

Also, source? 343i doesn’t do periodic tweaks. It’s always in a CU. See literally every bug that’s been in the game since July.

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> > > > > > > > First of all a brad new account cant place that hight. The highest it can place is platinum6. The reason you got placed lower than you think you should have is because you have never been ranked before. Now Next season it will keep trak of that and you will probably place in diamond.
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> > > > > > > Incorrect, it’s Onyx 1700 if I remember correctly. It’s to stop players from keeping their Champ rank.
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> > > > > > Like i said BRAND NEW ACCOUNTS cant place very high. Highest it can place is Platinum 6. The highest someone who has been a high rank before can place is ONYX 1700 yes if you were a high rank the season before.
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> > > > > Then they are intentionally hurting the lower player base. I’m not sure. If I can go win basically every game and end up in Gold, how is anyone going to hit plat?
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> > > > Thats why you continue to play after placing and rank up to where you belong. Then the season after that you will place higher and against people around the same skill.
> > > > If you are playing low ranks you are going to place around that rank. You cant expect Onyx from beating silver6’s and Golds
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> > > Confused here. I went and checked my warm up smurf’s placing, and I lost 9 games but got ranked higher (Gold 6).
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It could have something do with the players you were randomly matched against. It is possible that you were playing against higher ranked opponents than the OP during your 10 placement matches

Most of this got kinda off track. The point itz bullzi or whatever made is the truth of the OP. You simply can’t rank that high in a new account. Even a new playlist will keep you from ranking very high first time around. Ya a 1700 Onyx is the highest one can possible place at. but that’s only for an account who has placed high before. Not with a new account. Yes the ranking system is kinda jacked up. But this isn’t a case of that.

You placed low because of the people you were playing. You didn’t start playing low platinums until the later matches and you DNF’ed out of the game where you played the diamond 1 player which counts as a loss. You did beat low platinums, but I think the game was playing it safe by keeping you in gold.

Your other account that placed diamond 4 was playing platinums and diamonds early on and then later diamonds and onyx players so diamond would seem appropriate. I didn’t look at the slayer games, but I’d imagine the game takes different things into account for slayer.

BRING BACK 1-50 RANKING SYSTEM FROM HALO 3

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while wonderful. this will never happen. Who knows though, maybe in H6 we will see it.