The Progessive Ranking system will kill Halo

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Oh, no I’ll keep playing. Just after I hit SR: 130, whenever that may be. This game will collect dust on my shelf until Destiny comes out. Reach should have proven to you 343, that a Progressive Ranking system CANNOT WORK WITH HALO!!!

But yet you insist on tuning to to make it attempt to work with Halo 4 which has answered you with Halo 4 failing to be the competitive experience that some of us hoped for. Even before Halo 4 came out, The forums were begging you to return the 1-50 for Halo 4!! I set a new record for myself with 7 games that were DNF because of bad teammates and trolls. Some of you who defend the Progressive Ranking System clearly cannot grasp the concept of having the incentive to win and to rank up. Reach had AFKers and so does Spartan Ops because you can cheat the damn system, get a few kills here and there and then sit and relax. Not only did the 1-50 give players an incentive to play, it gave them the incentive to WIN

All Halo 4 has become is trying to match it’s Rival COD by adopting aspects from it and now we get these COD players who have not a damn clue how to play. One of the matches I didn’t finish was I observed as a teammate got into the Banshee dove down and got shot right out of it the moment he piloted it. If I want to go solo into matchmaking, I should be able to and still be able to at least be on a team that can actually win a damn game!!

The death of this new trilogy will be matchmaking if something is not done 343, meaning put a competitive aspect of Halo into Halo 4 and quit making it so -Yoinking!- casual!! You are putting a wall in front of some of the competitive community by doing this. You don’t only have one community to cater too, you have both communitys to cater to. Hell, a 1-50 system in Halo 4 would’ve kept people playing regardless of the issues with the COD like features!! You could have even just did Ranked and Social because that’s basically all Halo 4 and Reach are, all they have is Social Playlists. What was wrong with taking that aspect away? It worked in Halo 2 and Halo 3, why not Halo 4? Without those kinds of playlists, your mixing in Casual and Competitive which if we get matched with a team that wants to win and not -Yoink- around and lose, we can do that. That’s not the case with Halo 4 however.

As expected though, I expect blind defenders of Halo 4 to come back at me with “go play Halo 3 then” or “adapt” or even, “don’t like it, don’t play it” This game is far from perfect and in terms of Reach, this game is just as worse.

Stop Ignoring The Competitive Community 343!!

Note: Why the hell do you think Black Ops 2 is doing well regardless of how terrible some people say it is. It gave players the one thing Halo 4 doesn’t. A Competitive Ranking System.

Ok, let me expand on this. Those of you who are outright defending the Progressive System. Tell me, what is your incentive to win, to rank up? What is your definition of fun in Halo 4? So far, no one on these 2 pages of this thread have countered my arguememt and instead are blindly praising a broken system.

I added a poll in, just because I’m well…curious and I’ve already voted FYI.

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So, what you’re saying is:

Give us what we want and ignore everyone else.

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> So, what you’re saying is:
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> Give us what we want and ignore everyone else.

Not saying that. 343 shoved out the competitive community the day Halo 4 launched. I’m not telling 343 to ignore anyone. Halo 4 however is becoming to casual even for me. Some competitive players here on the forums want a competitive aspect of Halo. Halo 4 serverly lacks that.

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It already killed halo

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> > So, what you’re saying is:
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> > Give us what we want and ignore everyone else.
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> Not saying that. 343 shoved out the competitive community the day Halo 4 launched. I’m not telling 343 to ignore anyone. Halo 4 however is becoming to casual even for me. Some competitive players here on the forums want a competitive aspect of Halo. Halo 4 serverly lacks that.

Could 343i make a section of playlists that are all ranked? There could be “normal” slayer,CTF,KOTH,Oddball, and then there could be the “ranked” section with the more competitive playlists with the 1-50 that everybody seems to want.

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> It already killed halo

Halo never dies, it’s just missing in action.

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> > > So, what you’re saying is:
> > >
> > > Give us what we want and ignore everyone else.
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> > Not saying that. 343 shoved out the competitive community the day Halo 4 launched. I’m not telling 343 to ignore anyone. Halo 4 however is becoming to casual even for me. Some competitive players here on the forums want a competitive aspect of Halo. Halo 4 serverly lacks that.
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> Could 343i make a section of playlists that are all ranked? There could be “normal” slayer,CTF,KOTH,Oddball, and then there could be the “ranked” section with the more competitive playlists with the 1-50 that everybody seems to want.

That’s what I’m saying. Hm…I’ll edit the OP. I guess I didn’t make that clear enough.

Fxied the OP. I hope I made that part detailed enough

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The competitive gaming community isn’t where the money is. How long is it going to take for that fact to sink in?

$ from social gamers > $ from competitive gamers

People who make games want lots of money.

This isn’t complicated economics people.

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I agree this ranking system is rather bland, and nothing to make it a unique gameplay, they just needed to spend a little bit more thought on it=/ there just simply isnt enough if players are hitting max rank the first month

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I still don’t understand why 343i thought SR130 would be high enough of a rank.

I have my speculations, but I want confirmation.

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> Stop Ignoring The Competitive Community 343!!
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> Note: Why the hell do you think Black Ops 2 is doing well regardless of how terrible some people say it is. It gave players the one thing Halo 4 doesn’t. A Competitive Ranking System.

I heard Blops 2 “competitive” playlists are nearly deserted.

Any CoD players confirm?

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> <mark>The competitive gaming community isn’t where the money is</mark>. How long is it going to take for that fact to sink in?
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> $ from social gamers > $ from competitive gamers
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> People who make games want lots of money.
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> This isn’t complicated economics people.

Social Playlists don’t make up Halo, how hard is that to understand? I don’t care about how much cash Halo 4 brought in. Making Halo go completely Casual is going to shred this franchise and make it die out quicker then Reach did. Bungie wanted lots of money, yet Halo 2 and Halo 3 sold more then Halo 4 did. Halo 4 undersold Reach if I’m correct. But yet Bungie made 2 games, that are still surviving TO THIS VERY DAY!! Economics has nothing to do with making Halo 4 a competitive shooter instead of a plain casual shooter.

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> > Stop Ignoring The Competitive Community 343!!
> >
> > Note: Why the hell do you think Black Ops 2 is doing well regardless of how terrible some people say it is. It gave players the one thing Halo 4 doesn’t. A Competitive Ranking System.
>
> I heard Blops 2 “competitive” playlists are nearly deserted.
>
> Any CoD players confirm?

It’s mostly because Treyarch had the bright idea to keep lag compensation in the game. Who wants to try and play in a competitive mode when skill is no factor but lag comp dictates the winner? It’s truly absurd treyarh thinks having lag compensation in the game is a good idea let alone the competitive mode. You can’t kill a player at all when all your bullets hit a guy and he can turn around and shoot you with a few because of lag comp.

They really killed the game with that.

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> > > Stop Ignoring The Competitive Community 343!!
> > >
> > > Note: Why the hell do you think Black Ops 2 is doing well regardless of how terrible some people say it is. It gave players the one thing Halo 4 doesn’t. A Competitive Ranking System.
> >
> > I heard Blops 2 “competitive” playlists are nearly deserted.
> >
> > Any CoD players confirm?
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> It’s mostly because Treyarch had the bright idea to keep lag compensation in the game. Who wants to try and play in a competitive mode when skill is no factor but lag comp dictates the winner? It’s truly absurd treyarh thinks having lag compensation in the game is a good idea let alone the competitive mode. You can’t kill a player at all when all your bullets hit a guy and he can turn around and shoot you with a few because of lag comp.
>
> They really killed the game with that.

So what you are saying is that the competitive portion of CoD is BS? So it’s not why Black Ops 2 is successful. Gotcha.

OP theory derailed.

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> > <mark>The competitive gaming community isn’t where the money is</mark>. How long is it going to take for that fact to sink in?
> >
> > $ from social gamers > $ from competitive gamers
> >
> > People who make games want lots of money.
> >
> > This isn’t complicated economics people.
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> Social Playlists don’t make up Halo, how hard is that to understand? I don’t care about how much cash Halo 4 brought in. Making Halo go completely Casual is going to shred this franchise and make it die out quicker then Reach did. Bungie wanted lots of money, yet Halo 2 and Halo 3 sold more then Halo 4 did. Halo 4 undersold Reach if I’m correct. But yet Bungie made 2 games, that are still surviving TO THIS VERY DAY!! Economics has nothing to do with making Halo 4 a competitive shooter instead of a plain casual shooter.

H2 and H3 out sold H4?

Are you sure that’s the story you’re going to go with? If so, please share your sources because the info I’m looking at says different.

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> > > Stop Ignoring The Competitive Community 343!!
> > >
> > > Note: Why the hell do you think Black Ops 2 is doing well regardless of how terrible some people say it is. It gave players the one thing Halo 4 doesn’t. A Competitive Ranking System.
> >
> > I heard Blops 2 “competitive” playlists are nearly deserted.
> >
> > Any CoD players confirm?
>
> It’s mostly because Treyarch had the bright idea to keep lag compensation in the game. Who wants to try and play in a competitive mode when skill is no factor but lag comp dictates the winner? It’s truly absurd treyarh thinks having lag compensation in the game is a good idea let alone the competitive mode. You can’t kill a player at all when all your bullets hit a guy and he can turn around and shoot you with a few because of lag comp.
>
> They really killed the game with that.

While Lag Comp is a joke, another main reason is fixed exp rates, 5000 for a win, 2500 for a loss if i remember right, plus you don’t get recognition towards challenges or gun leveling in League Play so that is another lack of incentive.

Im currently playing League Play most days myself, funny thing is i hate CoD and love Halo, but to me, Halo 4 and black ops have effectively switched places and i tolerate Black Ops 2 far more than Halo 4 which has become a mass of random crap with no incentive whatsoever, hell i even bought the LE and have not even used the map code yet (Crimson ‘BTB’ Map Pack? no thanks) so far Halo 4 has been a massive waste of my money although unlike Reach, Halo 4 has potential, i mean how hard is it to implement a few tweaks to allow true classic settings for Ranked only while keeping ‘Infinity Halo’ as the social side? win-win.

I want Halo back :frowning:

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But I liked Reach’s ranking system. It was long, which gave me the incentive to play. The armor was also so cool that it was worth wasting my time in matchmaking.

The SR system just failed to be as long as its predecessors. Other then that, it was fine.

The 1-50 system should be brought back but the progressive ranking system really isn’t as bad as you think.

In all honesty, the both can co-exist in a single game. I would love to show off my SR rank and my 1-50 rank should the 1-50 system come back.

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Sigh…

There is nothing wrong with a progression system and you have zero reason to complain about it.

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its not only about an incentive but more to do, halo 3 get to 40 in team super megaman > play 500 games to get to the rank.

hope bungie flatlines 343 with their next game.

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Progressive leveling won’t kill Halo. Stop being ridiculous.
Nothing specific will “kill” Halo. As long as games and other media are being created and people are buying them, Halo will “live on”. Even after it “dies”, it’s mark on history will remain.

(P.S. Saying Treyarch attempting to appeal to the competitive community in Call of Duty: Black Ops II is the reason for it’s success is an absolute fallacy and, excuse the language but, b.s.)