Why do people easily believe the Precursors were even in any danger in the first place? There are several statements from the lore that straight up contradict any reason for why the the Precursors even have to move a single inch to survive the Forerunners. They could literally just build an indestructible wall around themselves with just a thought and stand there while the Forerunners poke at them for eternity. Isn’t it obvious there was something else going on other than the Precursors simply running away? Which is hilarious to even think in the first place considering everything we know about the Precursors. They were described as transsentient beings who could live without their bodies so it confuses me why people think they died or are gone.
Flood are Precursors, so yeah, they never died. They turned themselves into magic space dust which eventually turned into Flood cells.
Frankly, that just makes an already boring enemy worse. We didn’t need the Precursors or Ancient Humanity or any of the nonsense they’ve introduced.
The Precursors never died… they are just missing in action
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> Flood are Precursors, so yeah, they never died. They turned themselves into magic space dust which eventually turned into Flood cells.
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> Frankly, that just makes an already boring enemy worse. We didn’t need the Precursors or Ancient Humanity or any of the nonsense they’ve introduced.
That’s not really right because we’re told that the Flood have no individuality and that there’s only one mind, it’s their genetic material that turned into the Flood, not their consciousness so it would mean they died or at least that’s what the book says which I don’t believe. People think they got corrupted which would be still the same as saying they died or at least their old selves did which doesn’t make sense. They’re transient meaning it would be their physical bodies that go “corrupt” not their actual selves because it isn’t physical so it wouldn’t make sense to think the Precursors as in their actual minds went corrupt.
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> Flood are Precursors, so yeah, they never died. They turned themselves into magic space dust which eventually turned into Flood cells.
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> Frankly, that just makes an already boring enemy worse. We didn’t need the Precursors or Ancient Humanity or any of the nonsense they’ve introduced.
I think there could be more context to this. I believe that the precursors themselves are dead. Though, there organic material lived making the flood cells. But the mighty society that was technologically advanced to the forerunners is gone. There ideas, history, and species gone. Though, if we get to go the Forerunner capital we might see some history of the precursors themselves. But in a short, they are dead. I would consider the flood a whole new species of evolution.
I believe the evidence supports the Precursors existing as incorporeal beings, and that the many races they’ve “been” over time are actually biological avatars they’ve used to interact with their creations. It also pans out that the reason the Precursors let the Forerunners wipe their avatars from the galaxy and waited so long before punishing the Forerunners’ hubris (by turning their last avatars into the Flood), is because the true purpose of the Mantle, is for each race to be given the chance to fulfill its maximum potential, and the Forerunners achieved their fullest potential just before the Flood started utilizing the Star Roads.
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> > Flood are Precursors, so yeah, they never died. They turned themselves into magic space dust which eventually turned into Flood cells.
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> > Frankly, that just makes an already boring enemy worse. We didn’t need the Precursors or Ancient Humanity or any of the nonsense they’ve introduced.
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> I think there could be more context to this. I believe that the precursors themselves are dead. Though, there organic material lived making the flood cells. But the mighty society that was technologically advanced to the forerunners is gone. There ideas, history, and species gone. Though, if we get to go the Forerunner capital we might see some history of the precursors themselves. But in a short, they are dead. I would consider the flood a whole new species of evolution.
You can say it isn’t right all you want, but lore supports your own point in the OP. Had you wanted to be specific about the Precursor civilization, then you should have been specific about it instead of making a blanket statement.
So the way it’s described in the lore is that the Precursors were so shocked and awed by the sheer violence of the Forerunners that they chose not to defend themselves. So many of them died, but some did in fact flee the galaxy. Some seemed to go into a form of suspended animation while others ground themselves into dust to be reformed later (this dust eventually becoming the Flood). So yes OP, it appears that the Precursors are not dead. Some are still floating around outside the galaxy as far as we know, and the rest became what eventually developed into the Flood.
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> So the way it’s described in the lore is that the Precursors were so shocked and awed by the sheer violence of the Forerunners that they chose not to defend themselves. So many of them died, but some did in fact flee the galaxy. Some seemed to go into a form of suspended animation while others ground themselves into dust to be reformed later (this dust eventually becoming the Flood). So yes OP, it appears that the Precursors are not dead. Some are still floating around outside the galaxy as far as we know, and the rest became what eventually developed into the Flood.
They lived for over a 100 billion years, are you saying all those years were peaceful? I mean given that amount of time they’ve existed for and how they created other species as well during that time, it’s impossible to say they didn’t meet a species as violent as the Forerunners. Even if they’ve never seen a single war, nature is naturally violent so it wouldn’t make sense for why violence is a surprise to them. They also considered strife, pain, and even evil an inherent part of the universe so I’m confused to why violence would even shock them in the slightest.
So they ran but didn’t want to survive, that doesn’t make any sense. The the lore states that they could create structures from nothing with just a simple thought that not even the Forerunners can destroy so for those who ran they could’ve simply ran with God armor on and survived.
You’re saying some of them died, I’m saying not a single one of them died. I’m not only saying they didn’t die but intentionally created the Flood for a purpose because that’s the only logical conclusion I can get to.
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> The Precursors never died… they are just missing in action
Made me chuckle when reading this :’)) I need to read more lore, just find it interesting!
The Precursors as they once were millions of years ago are long gone. Many who are versed in the Expanded Universe already know after the long forgotten Forerunner-Precursor War. The surviving Precursors chose two paths. One side turned themselves into the dust which would eventually become the Flood and the others chose to enter suspended animation. What became of those who entered suspended animation is unknown but I am of the opinion they are already long gone. Precursor technology may be immune to the ravage of time, however as shown with those who became dust, the Precursors themselves are not immune and the Primordials death is a clear example.
In regards to those who entered suspended animation, I am of the opinion. There bodies either submitted to the passing of time, they were killed off after the firing of the Halo Array or my personal favorite choice. Any surviving Precursors gave themselves willingly to the Flood’s collective intelligence during either the Human-Flood/Human-Forerunner Wars or the Forerunner-Flood War. Either way the Precursors are gone as while the Flood can be called the inheritors of the Precursors Intelligence, even at the height of the Forerunner-Flood War. The Graveminds couldn’t comprehend even the Precursors intelligence even after the Primordial joined with the greater collective.
Keyminds (Planet sized Graveminds) are arguably the closest thing the Flood ever came to the Precursors. The scattered Precursor artifacts around the galaxy were used to devastating effect in the case of Star Roads. The full abilities of the Keyminds are unknown as they really appeared near the end of the Forerunner-Flood War, but I am of the opinion that another stage exists after the Keyminds. I don’t know what it could be, but in time the Flood maybe able to resume the Precursors previous form or they will be capable of recreating Precursor structures or even create life as the Precursors once used to even though that ability would go against everything the Flood exists for.
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> > So the way it’s described in the lore is that the Precursors were so shocked and awed by the sheer violence of the Forerunners that they chose not to defend themselves. So many of them died, but some did in fact flee the galaxy. Some seemed to go into a form of suspended animation while others ground themselves into dust to be reformed later (this dust eventually becoming the Flood). So yes OP, it appears that the Precursors are not dead. Some are still floating around outside the galaxy as far as we know, and the rest became what eventually developed into the Flood.
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> They lived for over a 100 billion years, are you saying all those years were peaceful? I mean given that amount of time they’ve existed for and how they created other species as well during that time, it’s impossible to say they didn’t meet a species as violent as the Forerunners. Even if they’ve never seen a single war, nature is naturally violent so it wouldn’t make sense for why violence is a surprise to them. They also considered strife, pain, and even evil an inherent part of the universe so I’m confused to why violence would even shock them in the slightest.
> So they ran but didn’t want to survive, that doesn’t make any sense. The the lore states that they could create structures from nothing with just a simple thought that not even the Forerunners can destroy so for those who ran they could’ve simply ran with God armor on and survived.
> You’re saying some of them died, I’m saying not a single one of them died. I’m not only saying they didn’t die but intentionally created the Flood for a purpose because that’s the only logical conclusion I can get to.
Idk what to tell you, at least from what I recall, it’s canonical that they were surprised by how violent the Forerunners became during their overthrow. I get what you’re saying, I was just providing a lore-based perspective.
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> > > So the way it’s described in the lore is that the Precursors were so shocked and awed by the sheer violence of the Forerunners that they chose not to defend themselves. So many of them died, but some did in fact flee the galaxy. Some seemed to go into a form of suspended animation while others ground themselves into dust to be reformed later (this dust eventually becoming the Flood). So yes OP, it appears that the Precursors are not dead. Some are still floating around outside the galaxy as far as we know, and the rest became what eventually developed into the Flood.
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> > They lived for over a 100 billion years, are you saying all those years were peaceful? I mean given that amount of time they’ve existed for and how they created other species as well during that time, it’s impossible to say they didn’t meet a species as violent as the Forerunners. Even if they’ve never seen a single war, nature is naturally violent so it wouldn’t make sense for why violence is a surprise to them. They also considered strife, pain, and even evil an inherent part of the universe so I’m confused to why violence would even shock them in the slightest.
> > So they ran but didn’t want to survive, that doesn’t make any sense. The the lore states that they could create structures from nothing with just a simple thought that not even the Forerunners can destroy so for those who ran they could’ve simply ran with God armor on and survived.
> > You’re saying some of them died, I’m saying not a single one of them died. I’m not only saying they didn’t die but intentionally created the Flood for a purpose because that’s the only logical conclusion I can get to.
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> Idk what to tell you, at least from what I recall, it’s canonical that they were surprised by how violent the Forerunners became during their overthrow. I get what you’re saying, I was just providing a lore-based perspective.
If I’m reading this right, that was according to the Gravemind, not the actual Precursors themselves and the Gravemind has been known to lie before.
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> > > > So the way it’s described in the lore is that the Precursors were so shocked and awed by the sheer violence of the Forerunners that they chose not to defend themselves. So many of them died, but some did in fact flee the galaxy. Some seemed to go into a form of suspended animation while others ground themselves into dust to be reformed later (this dust eventually becoming the Flood). So yes OP, it appears that the Precursors are not dead. Some are still floating around outside the galaxy as far as we know, and the rest became what eventually developed into the Flood.
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> > > They lived for over a 100 billion years, are you saying all those years were peaceful? I mean given that amount of time they’ve existed for and how they created other species as well during that time, it’s impossible to say they didn’t meet a species as violent as the Forerunners. Even if they’ve never seen a single war, nature is naturally violent so it wouldn’t make sense for why violence is a surprise to them. They also considered strife, pain, and even evil an inherent part of the universe so I’m confused to why violence would even shock them in the slightest.
> > > So they ran but didn’t want to survive, that doesn’t make any sense. The the lore states that they could create structures from nothing with just a simple thought that not even the Forerunners can destroy so for those who ran they could’ve simply ran with God armor on and survived.
> > > You’re saying some of them died, I’m saying not a single one of them died. I’m not only saying they didn’t die but intentionally created the Flood for a purpose because that’s the only logical conclusion I can get to.
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> > Idk what to tell you, at least from what I recall, it’s canonical that they were surprised by how violent the Forerunners became during their overthrow. I get what you’re saying, I was just providing a lore-based perspective.
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> If I’m reading this right, that was according to the Gravemind, not the actual Precursors themselves and the Gravemind has been known to lie before.
Fair enough, but at this point it’s really all we have to go on. But I don’t think the Gravemind has ever outright lied. IMO it twists the truth to its benefit, which could be seen as lying, but is really just a case of the victor writing history.
A good example of twisting the truth to fit its agenda was during H2 when the Gravemind told Chief and Arbiter that the ring “will make us brothers”. While this is a true statement, the important detail he neglected to mention was that what he really meant was “we will all be Flood”.
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> > > > > So the way it’s described in the lore is that the Precursors were so shocked and awed by the sheer violence of the Forerunners that they chose not to defend themselves. So many of them died, but some did in fact flee the galaxy. Some seemed to go into a form of suspended animation while others ground themselves into dust to be reformed later (this dust eventually becoming the Flood). So yes OP, it appears that the Precursors are not dead. Some are still floating around outside the galaxy as far as we know, and the rest became what eventually developed into the Flood.
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> > > > They lived for over a 100 billion years, are you saying all those years were peaceful? I mean given that amount of time they’ve existed for and how they created other species as well during that time, it’s impossible to say they didn’t meet a species as violent as the Forerunners. Even if they’ve never seen a single war, nature is naturally violent so it wouldn’t make sense for why violence is a surprise to them. They also considered strife, pain, and even evil an inherent part of the universe so I’m confused to why violence would even shock them in the slightest.
> > > > So they ran but didn’t want to survive, that doesn’t make any sense. The the lore states that they could create structures from nothing with just a simple thought that not even the Forerunners can destroy so for those who ran they could’ve simply ran with God armor on and survived.
> > > > You’re saying some of them died, I’m saying not a single one of them died. I’m not only saying they didn’t die but intentionally created the Flood for a purpose because that’s the only logical conclusion I can get to.
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> > > Idk what to tell you, at least from what I recall, it’s canonical that they were surprised by how violent the Forerunners became during their overthrow. I get what you’re saying, I was just providing a lore-based perspective.
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> > If I’m reading this right, that was according to the Gravemind, not the actual Precursors themselves and the Gravemind has been known to lie before.
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> Fair enough, but at this point it’s really all we have to go on. But I don’t think the Gravemind has ever outright lied. IMO it twists the truth to its benefit, which could be seen as lying, but is really just a case of the victor writing history.
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> A good example of twisting the truth to fit its agenda was during H2 when the Gravemind told Chief and Arbiter that the ring “will make us brothers”. While this is a true statement, the important detail he neglected to mention was that what he really meant was “we will all be Flood”.
Actually it did outright lie to the Didact about Humanity having a cure when they didn’t which saved humanity. It’s not all we have. We know the Precursors believed violence was simply an inherent part of the universe as said in the lore and we’re NOT strictly benevolent. They even experienced all the hardships and struggles faced by all life which includes violence and they subjected themselves to these experiences over and over again in the past so they definitely were not surprised to see violence. We know that the forerunners rebelling wouldn’t be a surprise and we know they’re more than capable of defending themselves but they didn’t so maybe the Precursors not defending themselves could be their way of finally judging the Forerunners to find a reason to unleash the Flood against them. We also know that they were planning some kind of a test for Humanity before they supposedly “died” and we know that the Flood withdrew all their forces from ancient humanity when they sacrificed a full 1/3 of their population in order to stop the infection from spreading and save the Galaxy which contradicts everything we know about the Flood and could be a sign that Humanity had passed the test. Now that we know all that, it very likely suggests the precursors actually intended to die and reappear in the form of the Flood to test humanity and the fact they they were stated to have infinite forms further proves that. If that wasn’t enough, there are points to further prove it like the fact that the Flood only sent ONE ship to infect earth and only earth when they had high charity and its ships under their command. Considering how intelligent the Gravemind is, this again suggest they didn’t actually want to truly eradicate humanity. The Precursors were even the ones that gave away the technology to create the rings so it might have not even been possible to defeat the Flood had the Precursors not done that so maybe that was the Precursors plan all along. I mean the Primordial now the Gravemind basically said the same thing I said to the Didact that humanity was to succeed the forerunners in order to be tested for the mantle.