I had a feeling this would resurface as Halo CE - 3 are brought back. Now, competitive communities are fine as long as you aren’t discriminating against people of lower skill level. Right now, that is not the case though.
I’ve started seeing behavior on this forum that, quite frankly, makes me sick. I’ve started seeing people outright insult others by calling them bad at the game, therefore their opinion is worthless. I’ve started seeing people use someone’s bad K/D as an argument against what they’re saying. This is a toxic mindset and behavior, and makes the gaming community look horrible.
With this sort of discrimination against players of lower skill - not even casual - just lower skill, it only hurts to community, and drives people away from the games they love so much. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard about people who stopped playing games like Call of Duty because of the toxic community and their foul nature. Please, with the return of competitive Halo, BE NICE FFS. Don’t let Halo return as the new cesspool of whiny eight year olds and internet tough guys, because that image is pathetic. Treat your fellow gamers with respect, and consider their opinions about a game, even if they’re of a lower skill level.
Developers of any game tend to be of a much lower skill level than the people who actually buy and play it. Does that mean their input and opinions are worthless? No.
Besides, at this point, how do you know that its not a Halo veteran who just got their console & game? Or just got glitched and their ranks reset? Or they are not linking their gamertag? OP is right. It’s just cheap to go there.
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> Developers of any game tend to be of a much lower skill level than the people who actually buy and play it. Does that mean their input and opinions are worthless? No.
The developers are scrub bks who can’t grenade spam and spawn kill like the true self-proclaimed pros on this forum.
<— halo veteran here
been playing since 2001
i even have halo 2 xbl games played stats.
this is the nature of a arena fps… skilled players will talk down on lower skilled players. get gud if you dont want hate
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> Developers of any game tend to be of a much lower skill level than the people who actually buy and play it. Does that mean their input and opinions are worthless? No.
Yes. 343i exemplifies the notion of “worthless opinion.”
I have a degree in mathematics. Some people have “opinions” such as “0.999~ != 1” and “math is useless.” The opinions are, in fact, worthless.
Based on how inept 343i have proven themselves to be, it’s pretty clear that their opinions are worthless.
Also, don’t mistake this for elevating my own opinion over that of others - my opinion on the topic of fine art, for example, is completely worthless.
That said, the “toxic community” is a particular issue in-game right now as a result of 343i being inept. New/casual players are often matched against parties of skilled players. Upon being matched against those players and being absolutely destroyed, the unskilled players are insulted by the skilled players.
I can’t even enjoy this game now because of the competitive community. I haven’t played Halo in any capacity worth mentioning since 2009. I reached level 41 in the MLG playlist in Halo 3, so I was certainly an above-average player. Coming back, a lot of that is gone and I’m having very little luck with getting it back because every time I join a match, I’m either matched against a party of four who are all better than my team, or my team absolutely destroys the enemy team to the extent that I could suicide throughout the match and we’d still win.
I agree with OP, competitive games have a dark side. Solution? rank/social playlist like H3… Look H4, in the competitive side is bulls*it but i never see the casuals abusers more happies with a halo game.
I dont understand a thing, FPS market is full of casual shooters, with random weapons, double jump, triple jump, SPRINT, people flying, infinity camo blablabla… why people (343 inclusive) keep trying ruin Halo the once competitive shooter???
> The ownage wrote: I’m sorry, but I can’t take arguments for no-BR starts seriously from someone with a sub-1.0 K/D in Halo. You are not a good player, and so when everyone starts with BRs it just means you die every 3 seconds because other players are better than you. There’s nothing wrong with being a player of below average skill; but don’t kid yourself - your problem with BR starts is your own skill, not the mechanics of how BR starts work vs SMG starts.
So I’m guessing this is the post that set you off?
It is true, good players have a better understanding of the game than your average Joe, that’s why they are good. In a debate regarding game play element the better player will have a more informed opinion. It’s a like a Physicist discussing quantum theory with a kid in high school. It’s obvious who is better educated on the subject.
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> I had a feeling this would resurface as Halo CE - 3 are brought back. Now, competitive communities are fine as long as you aren’t discriminating against people of lower skill level. Right now, that is not the case though.
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> I’ve started seeing behavior on this forum that, quite frankly, makes me sick. I’ve started seeing people outright insult others by calling them bad at the game, therefore their opinion is worthless. I’ve started seeing people use someone’s bad K/D as an argument against what they’re saying. This is a toxic mindset and behavior, and makes the gaming community look horrible.
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> With this sort of discrimination against players of lower skill - not even casual - just lower skill, it only hurts to community, and drives people away from the games they love so much. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard about people who stopped playing games like Call of Duty because of the toxic community and their foul nature. Please, with the return of competitive Halo, BE NICE FFS. Don’t let Halo return as the new cesspool of whiny eight year olds and internet tough guys, because that image is pathetic. Treat your fellow gamers with respect, and consider their opinions about a game, even if they’re of a lower skill level.
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> Developers of any game tend to be of a much lower skill level than the people who actually buy and play it. Does that mean their input and opinions are worthless? No.
the forum community is not the competitive community, i would assume that there’s less than 15 actual players that are involved in some sort of competitive manner on this forum, of which most have sensible conduct
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> I find all the pseudo-elitist attitudes on here slightly pretentious.
That’s a redundant thing of you to say - elitists, by their nature, when interacting with someone they don’t identify with as someone in their ‘elite’ group, treat them below themselves, and will use gobbledygook, or otherwise pretentious language to try and confuse the person they’re arguing with. Of course they’re going to act pretentious, it’s because they think they’re better than everyone in the context of their elitism.
That said, I do agree with you. The elitist attitudes of a minority of the Halo community add nothing of value, and is simply making the Halo community more toxic.
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> > The ownage wrote: I’m sorry, but I can’t take arguments for no-BR starts seriously from someone with a sub-1.0 K/D in Halo. You are not a good player, and so when everyone starts with BRs it just means you die every 3 seconds because other players are better than you. There’s nothing wrong with being a player of below average skill; but don’t kid yourself - your problem with BR starts is your own skill, not the mechanics of how BR starts work vs SMG starts.
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> So I’m guessing this is the post that set you off?
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> It is true, good players have a better understanding of the game than your average Joe, that’s why they are good. In a debate regarding game play element the better player will have a more informed opinion. It’s a like a Physicist discussing quantum theory with a kid in high school. It’s obvious who is better educated on the subject.
To use your same analogy, if the physicist acts all high and mighty and dismisses whatever the high school student is saying, the student isn’t going to take in the information the physicist may be talking about. It doesn’t matter if the physicist knows more, if his attitude is negative and toxic, why would the high school student have any reason to pay a single iota of attention to him?
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> <— halo veteran here
> been playing since 2001
> i even have halo 2 xbl games played stats.
> this is the nature of a arena fps… skilled players will talk down on lower skilled players. get gud if you dont want hate
My Halo 2 stats are better than yours, therefore my opinion is worth more than yours.
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> <— halo veteran here
> been playing since 2001
> i even have halo 2 xbl games played stats.
> this is the nature of a arena fps… skilled players will talk down on lower skilled players. get gud if you dont want hate
Not exactly.
The posers/wannabes/scrubs talk down to the noobs. Good players are too good to care about elitist bs.
Here is the loaded question would the “competitive,elite,pro,skilled” gamers prefer playing against equally or more talented players or do they prefer to endless prey upon inferior adversaries? The realization that many of these “competitive,elite,pro,skilled” gamers are merely bullies hiding behind a online game to inflate their egos and the ridiculous part of this is the fact that they need as many weaker players playing as possible to maintain their superiority even if they don’t understand that their actions and words make it worse for them instead of better.
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> Here is the loaded question would the “competitive,elite,pro,skilled” gamers prefer playing against equally or more talented players or do they prefer to endless prey upon inferior adversaries? The realization that many of these “competitive,elite,pro,skilled” gamers are merely bullies hiding behind a online game to inflate their egos and the ridiculous part of this is the fact that the need as many weaker players playing as possible to maintain their superiority even if they don’t understand that their actions and words make it worse for them instead of better.
I’ve found most people on here who argued for competitive play, and who argued for ranking systems also argue that they want it so because they don’t want to play above or below their skill level.
I’m sure we’ve all toyed with a player/team below our level but if it was like that every game I’d get bored.
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> > Here is the loaded question would the “competitive,elite,pro,skilled” gamers prefer playing against equally or more talented players or do they prefer to endless prey upon inferior adversaries? The realization that many of these “competitive,elite,pro,skilled” gamers are merely bullies hiding behind a online game to inflate their egos and the ridiculous part of this is the fact that the need as many weaker players playing as possible to maintain their superiority even if they don’t understand that their actions and words make it worse for them instead of better.
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> I’ve found most people on here who argued for competitive play, and who argued for ranking systems also argue that they want it so because they don’t want to play above or below their skill level.
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> I’m sure we’ve all toyed with a player/team below our level but if it was like that every game I’d get bored.
Ideally Halo would attract players of all skill levels so that it’s as close to a level playing field as possible for everyone.
You don’t even need a bad K/D ratio to get attacked. Hell, you can have a K/D ratio of 4 and prefer the AR and people will still attack you for saying such a thing.
Honestly people in general are getting sick of toxic attitudes. Part of the reason why nobody plugs their mic in or sit in party chat.
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> > I find all the pseudo-elitist attitudes on here slightly pretentious.
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> That’s a redundant thing of you to say - elitists, by their nature, when interacting with someone they don’t identify with as someone in their ‘elite’ group, treat them below themselves, and will use gobbledygook, or otherwise pretentious language to try and confuse the person they’re arguing with. Of course they’re going to act pretentious, it’s because they think they’re better than everyone in the context of their elitism.
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> That said, I do agree with you. The elitist attitudes of a minority of the Halo community add nothing of value, and is simply making the Halo community more toxic.
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> > > The ownage wrote: I’m sorry, but I can’t take arguments for no-BR starts seriously from someone with a sub-1.0 K/D in Halo. You are not a good player, and so when everyone starts with BRs it just means you die every 3 seconds because other players are better than you. There’s nothing wrong with being a player of below average skill; but don’t kid yourself - your problem with BR starts is your own skill, not the mechanics of how BR starts work vs SMG starts.
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> > So I’m guessing this is the post that set you off?
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> > It is true, good players have a better understanding of the game than your average Joe, that’s why they are good. In a debate regarding game play element the better player will have a more informed opinion. It’s a like a Physicist discussing quantum theory with a kid in high school. It’s obvious who is better educated on the subject.
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> To use your same analogy, if the physicist acts all high and mighty and dismisses whatever the high school student is saying, the student isn’t going to take in the information the physicist may be talking about. It doesn’t matter if the physicist knows more, if his attitude is negative and toxic, why would the high school student have any reason to pay a single iota of attention to him?