This visual in game ranking system is what SHOULD be implemented for Halo 4’s matchmaking.
Main Characteristics: Based on Halo 2/3’s 1-50 ranking system with some small tweaks to curb cheating and general unfairness that comes with any ranking system. I will not go into detail on how those ranking systems work because any competant halo player already knows, I will only highlight changes.
The reason why we see so many people complaining and crying about how 1-50 ranking systems will pretty much be addressed by the following (with exception to those people being upset because they aren’t good enough to achieve the rank they want [probably the biggest reason for complaining])
Boosting/DeRanking and how to stop it:
First off, you can’t fully stop boosting in a ranked playlist, its just a part of the game, but this will help to curb it. In halo 3 from time to time it was common to run into a deranker. I noticed this a lot in team dubs (partially my fault for always playing on my own). They would either quit out at the start of the match, sabotage you, or on occasion help you win and quit out at the last second. The only way to deter from people deranking is to put a restriction on the account to not allow a player access into the ranked playlist until they hit a milestone, for example SR50. There will certainly be a lot less people willing to derank AFTER they invest the time into reaching SR50.
The Purchasing of 50’s & Becoming “Rank Locked”
Let me say this to start. I really could care less is some scrub feels the need to buy a 50, it doesn’t bother me, in fact, I think its kind of funny. If you are a competent player you will be able to see they are terrible and didn’t earn their 50 very quickly. It doesn’t really undermine the system because to be honest, what is there like 5% of all 50’s purchased, big deal.
People also complain of becoming Rank Locked, which was actually annoying. Halo 3 was the first game I played a lot of online. I was a noob at first, but I became pretty good after learning the game. I progressed to about a level 43 or 44 (cant remember) but had a hard time getting over the hump. I believe part of that was because I had so many games logged that I got at least partially rank locked. Of course I could have played better or played with friends more often.
The solution to this problem is simple, 343 Should allow people to reset their rank back to 0 2-4 times per year at a given period of two weeks in any playlist AND they should allow you to prestige your rank once you hit 50 back to 0 (Might as well, they already ripped off most of CoD anyway). When I was stuck at 43, I could have reset my rank to 0, cleared my true skill and worked my way back up the ladder with a fresh start. With the influx of players coming in at the same time who have reset their ranks, they can be matched to each other easily, thus avoiding play with people who are legitimately ranked very low.
Now lets say you earned yourself a 50 and you want more motivation. You reset your rank (but keep your General or whatever status and visual marker that you are indeed a General) and work your way back to 50 vs other people that have done that too (to make it fair for people who are new). Then once you get to 50 again you can be a 2 Star General and then reset your rank again and go after 3 Star or something to that equivalent. This system will also combat boosters because sure anybody can buy a 50, but can that person then earn a second 50 after they purchase it, NO. Also it would increase the amount of work (thus deter) people from wanting to start boosting up to a 5 Star General after of course leveling that character to SR50. If you want to complain that there won’t be enough people to compete against at that point than they can lump Gen. Grade 2+ all together or something.
Cheaters/Modders
There will always be cheaters at any game whether its a video game or pro sport. However, Xbox Live is pretty good at detecting and banning cheaters/modders, at least its way better than PC, Wii, and PS3. The only real cheating that can be done is by people who use Jtag’d or RGH’d 360’s that can also unban themselves from xbox live which is possible but very very very rare. I played a lot of Reach and ran into only one modder that was doing stuff like that. The only other forms of cheating are lag switches and bridge hosting which is watched by the ban hammer and whose detection can always be increased. I guess you can lump HLG/hiders into this category too, but if you look up hiding spots on youtube than you can end that pretty quickly on your own.
Egotistical -Yoinks!-, Trash Talkers, Mean People
MUTE THEM,MUTE THEM, MUTE THEM, MUTE THEM.
Also Play Social, Or maybe just trade in your 360 for a Wii and play animal crossing because as long as their are headsets some immature people are going to be annoying.
TL:DR
A ranking system is needed to increase the longevity of the game. Arena in Reach was a joke and not even a consideration IMO. If you think 1-50 ranking isn’t fair even with the adjustments I have listed above, then I challenge you to come up with something better.
Good read. I agree with most of it. You should change the TL;DR to a ranking system is needed to increase the longevity of the game. This way people will take you seriously.
So your solution is to insult us, then tell us to deal with it because its part of the game and then to implement the problems of 1-50 into the system as features?
Having people reset their skill and stomp on newbs to get back up where they were is pretty much what people did when they created a second account. It ruined ranked matchmaking.
This is soo great and true!!! Most of the people who do not want it are tired of people being better than them. You still get made fun of in Halo4 for being a lower SR…which means nothing. Visual ranking system will help the game, bad gamers are just trying to find reasons to get rid of it.
> Wait a second,
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> So your solution is to insult us, then tell us to deal with it because its part of the game and then to implement the problems of 1-50 into the system as features?
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> Having people reset their skill and stomp on newbs to get back up where they were is pretty much what people did when they created a second account. It ruined ranked matchmaking.
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> Your solutions are not solutions at all.
Read what I wrote again about that, you must have missed something. Once you reset to 0 as 50, you play only others that did that too.
Hey you should learn to read better before telling someone their wrong… He said that once you “prestige” you go against guys who have also prestiged, so you will not be going against newbies
> Wait a second,
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> So your solution is to insult us, then tell us to deal with it because its part of the game and then to implement the problems of 1-50 into the system as features?
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> Having people reset their skill and stomp on newbs to get back up where they were is pretty much what people did when they created a second account. It ruined ranked matchmaking.
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> Your solutions are not solutions at all.
False. It did not ruin ranked matchmaking, stop exaggerating please. Ranks add longevity to the game and provides incentive to win. How do you not see that?
> > Wait a second,
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> > So your solution is to insult us, then tell us to deal with it because its part of the game and then to implement the problems of 1-50 into the system as features?
> >
> > Having people reset their skill and stomp on newbs to get back up where they were is pretty much what people did when they created a second account. It ruined ranked matchmaking.
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> > Your solutions are not solutions at all.
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> False. It did not ruin ranked matchmaking, stop exaggerating please. Ranks add longevity to the game and provides incentive to win. How do you not see that?
Cheating, modding, deranking, selling accounts, second accounts ruined the 1-50 system and made the number worthless because you never knew how skilled people really were.
It did ruin matchmaking when I’m constantly put up against people far, far above my skill because the system matched up their number as they had a second account, to my number.
This is not something that was made up. This happened a lot and a lot of people witnesses the same thing.
> > > Wait a second,
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> > > So your solution is to insult us, then tell us to deal with it because its part of the game and then to implement the problems of 1-50 into the system as features?
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> > > Having people reset their skill and stomp on newbs to get back up where they were is pretty much what people did when they created a second account. It ruined ranked matchmaking.
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> > > Your solutions are not solutions at all.
> >
> > False. It did not ruin ranked matchmaking, stop exaggerating please. Ranks add longevity to the game and provides incentive to win. How do you not see that?
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> Cheating, modding, deranking, selling accounts, second accounts ruined the 1-50 system and made the number worthless because you never knew how skilled people really were.
>
> It did ruin matchmaking when I’m constantly put up against people far, far above my skill because the system matched up their number as they had a second account, to my number.
>
> This is not something that was made up. This happened a lot and a lot of people witnesses the same thing.
Sure that stuff was annoying but youre acting like that was in every game at all times. It was every now and again, not everybody all the time. You are completely blowing it out of proportion.
If you actually read what I wrote you would see that problem would be very well taken care of. Thanks for the bump and the laugh tho.
The only problem I have with a “visible ranking system” is the trash-talking it encourages. I’ve suggested a small modification to the visibility of the rank number, but I’m willing to forego all of that if 343 implements a “mute all” option in the audio settings.
Quick, easy, and it helps prevent erroneous voice bans.
Other than that, good suggestions, OP. Maybe an additional solution to “de-rankers” would be to base rank entirely on in-game performance, excluding quitting.
> > Wait a second,
> >
> > So your solution is to insult us, then tell us to deal with it because its part of the game and then to implement the problems of 1-50 into the system as features?
> >
> > Having people reset their skill and stomp on newbs to get back up where they were is pretty much what people did when they created a second account. It ruined ranked matchmaking.
> >
> > Your solutions are not solutions at all.
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> False. It did not ruin ranked matchmaking, stop exaggerating please. Ranks add longevity to the game and provides incentive to win. How do you not see that?
Games can live long without a skill rank you know? It’s not needed for the game to survive.
Counter-strike 1.6 seems to survive just fine without one.
> Cheating, modding, deranking, selling accounts, second accounts ruined the 1-50 system and made the number worthless because you never knew how skilled people really were.
>
> It did ruin matchmaking when I’m constantly put up against people far, far above my skill because the system matched up their number as they had a second account, to my number.
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> This is not something that was made up. This happened a lot and a lot of people witnesses the same thing.
Increase security and penalty and you’ve solved cheating and modding.
Implement high penalty for opting out of games frequently and you’ve solved de-ranking.
Selling accounts is unavoidable unless you remove the system altogether which isn’t worth it. Ranks offer value to the players (obviously, or else people wouldn’t bother purchasing accounts at all). Why remove a valuable part of the game because a small percentage exploit it? It doesn’t devalue ranks because a vast majority of people aren’t boosters.
Second accounts is not an issue. It’s the same scenario as any good player starting ranked playlists late. Sometimes you wind up against experienced players at a low rank. Most of the time, however, you’re against people that are suited to that rank.
> > > > Wait a second,
> > > >
> > > > So your solution is to insult us, then tell us to deal with it because its part of the game and then to implement the problems of 1-50 into the system as features?
> > > >
> > > > Having people reset their skill and stomp on newbs to get back up where they were is pretty much what people did when they created a second account. It ruined ranked matchmaking.
> > > >
> > > > Your solutions are not solutions at all.
> > >
> > > False. It did not ruin ranked matchmaking, stop exaggerating please. Ranks add longevity to the game and provides incentive to win. How do you not see that?
> >
> > Cheating, modding, deranking, selling accounts, second accounts ruined the 1-50 system and made the number worthless because you never knew how skilled people really were.
> >
> > It did ruin matchmaking when I’m constantly put up against people far, far above my skill because the system matched up their number as they had a second account, to my number.
> >
> > This is not something that was made up. This happened a lot and a lot of people witnesses the same thing.
>
> Sure that stuff was annoying but youre acting like that was in every game at all times. It was every now and again, not everybody all the time. You are completely blowing it out of proportion.
> If you actually read what I wrote you would see that problem would be very well taken care of. Thanks for the bump and the laugh tho.
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The fact that you wave it off as a minor issue when it’s been documented and explained for the sole reason not to be included in Halo: Reach and Halo 4 is mind boggling.
I read what you wrote and the problem isn’t taken care of. Your solutions aren’t solutions at all. Your attitude is “deal with it, it’s not a big deal” and you laugh at other people.
Wow, just wow. I’m out of this thread, maybe this forum altogether.
> The only problem I have with a “visible ranking system” is the trash-talking it encourages. I’ve suggested a small modification to the visibility of the rank number, but I’m willing to forego all of that if 343 implements a “mute all” option in the audio settings.
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> Quick, easy, and it helps prevent erroneous voice bans.
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> Other than that, good suggestions, OP. Maybe an additional solution to “de-rankers” would be to base rank entirely on in-game performance, excluding quitting.
I’d like to know how ranks encourage trash-talking.
This is a competitive game, and people trash talk regardless of whether or not there are ranks. If you can’t handle that, mute them. Or go play Minecraft alone to avoid human interaction altogether. Wouldn’t want to run the risk of someone talking trash, now would you?
It’s odd that people complain that no one ever uses their mics, but then they say that potential trash talking scares them away from CSR. Make up your mind.
> > > Wait a second,
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> > > So your solution is to insult us, then tell us to deal with it because its part of the game and then to implement the problems of 1-50 into the system as features?
> > >
> > > Having people reset their skill and stomp on newbs to get back up where they were is pretty much what people did when they created a second account. It ruined ranked matchmaking.
> > >
> > > Your solutions are not solutions at all.
> >
> > False. It did not ruin ranked matchmaking, stop exaggerating please. Ranks add longevity to the game and provides incentive to win. How do you not see that?
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> Games can live long without a skill rank you know? It’s not needed for the game to survive.
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> Counter-strike 1.6 seems to survive just fine without one.
I never said it couldn’t survive. I said that it adds longevity to the game. Why wouldn’t you want another reason to play? Wouldn’t it be cool Counter-strike 1.6 had one?
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> > > > > Wait a second,
> > > > >
> > > > > So your solution is to insult us, then tell us to deal with it because its part of the game and then to implement the problems of 1-50 into the system as features?
> > > > >
> > > > > Having people reset their skill and stomp on newbs to get back up where they were is pretty much what people did when they created a second account. It ruined ranked matchmaking.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your solutions are not solutions at all.
> > > >
> > > > False. It did not ruin ranked matchmaking, stop exaggerating please. Ranks add longevity to the game and provides incentive to win. How do you not see that?
> > >
> > > Cheating, modding, deranking, selling accounts, second accounts ruined the 1-50 system and made the number worthless because you never knew how skilled people really were.
> > >
> > > It did ruin matchmaking when I’m constantly put up against people far, far above my skill because the system matched up their number as they had a second account, to my number.
> > >
> > > This is not something that was made up. This happened a lot and a lot of people witnesses the same thing.
> >
> > Sure that stuff was annoying but youre acting like that was in every game at all times. It was every now and again, not everybody all the time. You are completely blowing it out of proportion.
> > If you actually read what I wrote you would see that problem would be very well taken care of. Thanks for the bump and the laugh tho.
>
> ಠ_ಠ
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> The fact that you wave it off as a minor issue when it’s been documented and explained for the sole reason not to be included in Halo: Reach and Halo 4 is mind boggling.
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> I read what you wrote and the problem isn’t taken care of. Your solutions aren’t solutions at all. Your attitude is “deal with it, it’s not a big deal” and you laugh at other people.
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> Wow, just wow. I’m out of this thread, maybe this forum altogether.
ok so i wrote a long OP that clearly explains my solutions and you read that and thought i said “deal with it”.
all the while you say i dont have solutions and then dismiss my plan without giving any tiny tidbit of what you think is better.
TELL ME WHY MY IDEA DOESN’T SOLVE THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD IN H2/3 RANKED
Oh thats right, you can’t because you don’t know what your talking about. You probably are just terrible at the game and don’t want to have ranked in (even though you never have to play a ranked playlist) because you have self esteem issues. Good riddance to trash like you, thanks for leaving the thread.
The only thing that really annoys me is the fact that even IF 343 were to implement something like this, the entire thing would hinge of first having a competitive gametype to add the ranking system to in the first place.