The Official Splitscreen Thread

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> I’ve not played splitscreen for several releases and I’ve never felt I’ve got anything less than a true Halo experience.
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> The only argument that holds any weight for me in this is, if it’s just going to affect the game whilst it’s playing in split screen mode, then those who want to play splitscreen can take the hit in performance (even though they will undoubtedly complain anyway) But Franks comment seems to suggest the situation is not that simple.

Have to agree with this, Split Screen for my friends and I at least ruins the whole experience if we want to have a Halo night or whatever we would just all bring round individual tvs and xboxes to play on sit in the same room drink beers and have fun. As this gives you the full experience while still being truly social it prevents anyone being an -Yoink- and screen watching and you can still drink beers and high five each other for things if you so wish.

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> > The only argument that holds any weight for me in this is, if it’s just going to affect the game whilst it’s playing in split screen mode, then those who want to play splitscreen can take the hit in performance (even though they will undoubtedly complain anyway) But Franks comment seems to suggest the situation is not that simple.
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> Have to agree with this, Split Screen for my friends and I at least ruins the whole experience if we want to have a Halo night or whatever we would just all bring round individual tvs and xboxes to play on sit in the same room drink beers and have fun. As this gives you the full experience while still being truly social it prevents anyone being an -Yoink- and screen watching and you can still drink beers and high five each other for things if you so wish.

I know what you’re saying, but what of circumstances where this is not logistically possible? The space required for 2, 3 or 4 original xboxes with up to 4 tvs and 16 controllers is undeniably huge and isn’t going to be much less with 2-4 Xbox Ones. I was only able to achieve this at my mates place as he had an open plan studio flat.

Its possibly not something everyone is aware of, but property sizes at least in the UK are smaller than US on average (One of many sources: http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/how-big-is-a-house) and this applies to many other countries throughout the world as well. Not everyone can ‘just all bring round individual tvs and xboxes to play on’. Sucks to be them right? No. Local split screen is a remedy for this.

What of people with kids, or siblings or even parents who want to play side by side with their family? What of people who have an Xbox One but no stable internet connection, or NO internet connection?

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> Its possibly not something everyone is aware of, but property sizes at least in the UK are smaller than US on average (One of many sources: http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/how-big-is-a-house) and this applies to many other countries throughout the world as well. Not everyone can ‘just all bring round individual tvs and xboxes to play on’. Sucks to be them right? No. Local split screen is a remedy for this.
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> What of people with kids, or siblings or even parents who want to play side by side with their family? What of people who have an Xbox One but no stable internet connection, or NO internet connection?

You cannot reason with the “It’s OK for me, so I don’t see what your problem is” crowd.

Am I my brother’s keeper?
To these people, the answer is always “No”

I enjoyed reading your posts (in a bittersweet way) because they record such good times. Sad It will no longer be possible without a U turn from 343.

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> > Have to agree with this, Split Screen for my friends and I at least ruins the whole experience if we want to have a Halo night or whatever we would just all bring round individual tvs and xboxes to play on sit in the same room drink beers and have fun. As this gives you the full experience while still being truly social it prevents anyone being an -Yoink- and screen watching and you can still drink beers and high five each other for things if you so wish.
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> I know what you’re saying, but what of circumstances where this is not logistically possible? The space required for 2, 3 or 4 original xboxes with up to 4 tvs and 16 controllers is undeniably huge and isn’t going to be much less with 2-4 Xbox Ones. I was only able to achieve this at my mates place as he had an open plan studio flat.
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> Its possibly not something everyone is aware of, but property sizes at least in the UK are smaller than US on average (One of many sources: http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/how-big-is-a-house) and this applies to many other countries throughout the world as well. Not everyone can ‘just all bring round individual tvs and xboxes to play on’. Sucks to be them right? No. Local split screen is a remedy for this.
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> What of people with kids, or siblings or even parents who want to play side by side with their family? What of people who have an Xbox One but no stable internet connection, or NO internet connection?

There are ways around it plus as kid I used to just enjoy watching my dad play PS1 games I didn’t have to be playing them as a child it was just a joy to watch. I live in the UK btw so I know how it is with property spaces but you don’t require bringing massive tvs to mates house though a small one will do. Also the remedy for this is xbox live and co-op you can still have fun with friends and laugh and joke over live you know it is possible.

Besides I understand your argument about not having internet but honestly now days with the way consoles and game are going the majority of them anyway why would you purchase a new PS4 or Xbox One if you don’t have internet or don’t intend to have Live or PS Plus as it pretty much now days defeats the purpose of owning the console without these anyway.

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> > > I’m so glad that my "it’s not going to happen’ stance was correct.
> > > I’m also SOOOOO much happier that it’s going to refuse to cater to you people and ruin the 60fps, just because you want to play with a friend the cheap way.
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> > And here we go with the, “you guys are cheap because you guys won’t drop another $400 for another Xbox and $60 for another game so that you can play with the same person who is in the same room as you”.
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> It’s more… You’re too cheap to have an xbox one to play XBOX ONE games, and then spend 60$ on a game that you want to play. Instead, you wish to be able to play together with someone, without actually paying for it. That’s you being cheap. I’m GLAD that it’s gone. I’m soooooo happy, because of threads like this. With how a majority of you claimed you wouldn’t play unless it was there.
> Well… I bet I still see you online. I bet you can’t follow through with your threats. Bahahaha. :smiley: Thank you based 343.

What threats have I made? I never said I would not purchase said game, never did I say things like other have about boycotting. And again, I already have an Xbox One, so why buy another, sadly, with the rate this is moving, it may be the only option.

Heck, Battlefront won’t even have online split screen, only local, which means I cannot play with friends on Live if I am playing with my brother.

I dont understand people who said that split screen is old functionality and it not matter whether it will be in the game or not… if you want to play in 60 fps just simply play ALONE but there are many, many and once more many people, like me, who loves play split screen and for us it does not matter if we play on 60 fps or 30, we only want a possibilty to play with our friends/brothers/sisters at the same time in the same place! imo we need to tell this to them in another feedback and its very good that this post has over 50 pages because it shows our feedback and how important for us it is. We need to bring back split screen, if someone dont like it just dont use it! but do not waste our chance to bring back the feature we all love. I remember my very first halo experience it was almost 11 years ago we with my brothers and firend played 4 player blood gulch and there was a moment when i fallen in love with this game. 343 please understand how important split screen it for many of us and bring it back we need it… and you need us.

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> > Its possibly not something everyone is aware of, but property sizes at least in the UK are smaller than US on average (One of many sources: http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/how-big-is-a-house) and this applies to many other countries throughout the world as well. Not everyone can ‘just all bring round individual tvs and xboxes to play on’. Sucks to be them right? No. Local split screen is a remedy for this.
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> Besides I understand your argument about not having internet but honestly now days with the way consoles and game are going the majority of them anyway why would you purchase a new PS4 or Xbox One if you don’t have internet or don’t intend to have Live or PS Plus as it pretty much now days defeats the purpose of owning the console without these anyway.

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post, appreciate your sensible outlook on things!

Admittedly, I’m a big one for watching others play but it isn’t really the same is it? How many squabbles of ‘Can I have a go?’ ‘Let me play’ ‘Its my turn naaaaooowwww’ ‘Mark won’t share!!’ ‘Muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum!!’ can be prevented with the option of local play? Hehe!! Besides, disregarding ‘kids’ - what of teens, young adults (or even adult-er adults still reconciled to living with family for whatever reason) sharing or spectating or whatever is an unnecessary inconvenience which pales in comparison to side-by-side play. Especially considering that this was always a key feature of the Halo infrastructure since its inception.

I’ll see your ‘you don’t require bringing massive TVs to mates houses’ point though and raise you with the fact that this DOES require you to have a secondary or even tertiary TV that is smaller and indeed portable enough to transport from place to place which again is not always logistically or financially possible (I hate to bring in the finance argument as it is so often shot down with a ‘get a job’ troll lol, but it is a viable concern). I appreciate that it is entirely possible however.

I would also take a bit of umbrage with your comments about why would you purchase one of the current gen consoles without broadband \ fibre \ an internet connection? Admittedly so much of the distribution and indeed updating \ patching of games is carried out via Live \ PSN but given the furore that both MS supporters an detractors kicked up about MSs initial plans to make online mandatory and its subsequent redaction I would suggest that given that both consoles DO NOT require online functionality and still both work ‘out-of-the-box’ as it were, that people should still expect to make use of their console for all of the things they have come to expect a console to do based on their past experiences. They still sell controller peripherals correct? Yet fewer and fewer games support local play. Why wouldn’t Microsoft \ Sony cut their losses and stop selling controllers separately and make all games with 2+ players only work over their respective infrastructures. Broken \ lost controllers could subsequently be obtained direct from MS \ Sony giving them 100% of the revenue. I posit that this is because there is an understanding that games should still have local play!

There are circumstances where you might have Xbox \ PS4 but no internet connection: Remote location, poor infrastructure (Ok, ostensibly the same thing perhaps), student to name a couple. You may also have friends who DONT ascribe to the same console preference as yourself but, unless you cut out anyone from your life who doesn’t ascribe to the same beliefs and life choices as yourself which admittedly seems to be a prevalent course of action when you read some of the trollish attitudes online these days sadly, you still enjoy gaming together when you meet up and it doesn’t actually matter whether its FIFA on PS4, Gears of War on 360, Halo 5 on XB1 or even Goldeneye on N64 you play. If you can’t just rock up and whack in a second control and play Halo you’re going to be doing something else and that’s surely bad for the marketing buzzwords of engagement and customer retention right?

PS - @MudMonkeyMagic - Thanks for your comments as well, I had a heart-wrenching time writing out that long post, Halo has been a fundamental part of my life since I switched from Dreamcast following the death of SEGA and I have followed the Chief into each of his encounters with my friends and family and truly hope to continue doing so the way it should be!!

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> > > > I didn’t say why are people not preordering. I said why are they cancelling preorders. If you’ve already made the decision to buy the game, it is a little radical to go out of your way to cancel a preorder just because splitscreen is not available. It has been only a few days since they said there would be no splitscreen. With any luck we’ll get it back by being vocal. So why go out of your way to cancel? I don’t know I just think it’s strange.
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> I get what you’re saying in your original post, but it’s obvious to me that splitscreen isn’t that important to your gaming habits. I respect that. But it is important to mine. As I said earlier, I’ve played every Halo game in split screen with my best friend beside me. It’s not about “can’t afford his own console” or “too cheap to upgrade to X1”. We enjoy playing games together. We share in the fun, share in the thrills, and laugh together when we screw up. It’s the biggest part of the fun for me. Without Splitscreen in campaign they have removed the feature I use the most.
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> So no, I’m not going to keep a pre-order for a game I no longer wish to play. You can say I’m behaving dramatically if you like, but complaining on a forum is not going to change anything. Showing the developers that I’m unhappy about their decision enough to actually not play the game, well that probably won’t do anything either if I’m honest, but it beats nothing.
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> What you call being dramatic, I call being realistic. If Halo wants to keep stripping out it’s core features, which each game under 343 has done, then I don’t want to keep supporting their efforts. I’m sad about it. I love Halo. I even used to draw a Halo fan comic back a few years ago (A.H.C.S. if you care). I’ll miss it. But Halo seems to want to be every other shooter on the market now. And I don’t want every other shooter, I wanted Halo. This new game is sounding more like Call of Duty: Future Warfare than the Halo I’ve loved over the years. So call me a drama queen if you like, but I’m done.
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Actually, splitscreen is something I have done a lot, from CE to 4. My step-brother doesn’t usually get games when they first come out due to financial reasons. As you can imagine, he still does not have an Xbox One for the same reasons. When I told him we would not be able to play splitscreen together he was pretty bummed. However, I didn’t go cancelling my preorder because I want to play Halo 5 regardless of whether or not it has splitscreen. I told him that I would even help him out financially to get an X1 so we could still play campaign together, because that is my solution to the problem.

And I was really taking you seriously until you said Halo is like CoD because it doesn’t have splitscreen. Grow up please.

Cheers.

I think i will only check the story on youtube, i cannot play with my girlfriend on coop, multi is horrible i think im done with new halo :frowning:

I’ve played every Halo Campaign in Splitscreen with my oldest friend. It has an over 10 year tradition. Now we are about 25 years old and have different jobs, different lifes, different opinions and don’t meet each other as often. But when we meet, we play Halo.

The only reason to play Halo 5 for me is sitting down next to my oldest friend and play the Halo Campaign in Splitscreen. For me it was the most important characteristic of the Series and has such a huge social value.

And i know there are some best friends out there, who experienced the same.

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> I’m utterly devastated by this turn of events, so please excuse the following outpouring. I’d not realised this was actually a legitimate development (or rather non-development) in the run up to Halo 5s release!! I’ve played Halo since CE on the Xbox with my brother, side by side. My friends without Xbox’s or the financial means to purchase them also played with us and I clocked up so many runs on CE co-op that it is more than I can count. Everyone in my social, bar none, enjoyed the communal experience of split-screen co-op and when that was done we would naturally all pile into multiplayer. 4 player split-screen was a total thrill and my best mate, his younger sisters and I, along with many others would play through the day and long into the night to experience such unbridled social joy that we had not had on a console since Quake III on the Dreamcast. To see this legacy feature taken out to pasture and shot like a lame horse puts nails into the coffin of my youth.
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> Many people here have spoken passionately about Halo Night. This is still a thing for many people. Before COD, before dude-bros and screaming 13 year olds and the like that people vociferously castigate when complaining about the state of online communities these days there was Halo Night. Pure. unadulterated, multiplayer, split screen, madness. Again, the experience of 4, or later 8, then 12 and EVEN SIXTEEN people on 4 consoles with 4 controllers apiece was something you simply did not get with any other game. We didn’t all have the luxury of broadband, and even those that did couldn’t guarantee that we could all meet up online at the same time. But you MADE TIME for Halo Night, for the experience of being in the same room (or, the entire floor space of my mates flat with more tangled ethernet, power and controller cables than logistics or indeed common fire-safety principles would have thought possible) and sharing food and drink and camaraderie. This sort of thing categorically cannot be found online as the experience is sterilised. Can I congratulate my mate on a great head-shot kill out of nowhere with a physical high five or clap on the shoulder when he’s in one place and I another? NO. Can I punch him for spending the remainder of the same match camped in the same one spot I just can’t quite reach and sniping me in similar fashion repeatedly? NO.
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> Halo 3, ODST, Reach and even Halo 4 expanded on these brilliant times with beautiful and memorable experiences that I won’t lengthen this post yet further recounting. Co-op through all of these campaigns was ALWAYS the first thing we did. Heck, I didn’t even play Halo 3 solo for about 2 years after I bought it because the co-op and multi was so strong in my opinion!! Firefight was a tremendous feature - and we admittedly got more play time out of it on Reach than on ODST- but specifically when played locally with people you could immediately communicate with and strategise with. Fair enough, with broadband infrastructure becoming more widespread and affordable during these times I found that more and more of our time was spent playing on Live but it was nigh-on always split screen multi with brothers, friends, family and the like. We got so used to the size of 2,3,4 screen splits that on the rare occasion we logged in solo it threw off our game!!
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> Halo has always been a communal experience. Far more so than many of the other shooter franchises out there. Its legacy is in 2 people taking on the Covenant together. God knows, it made going through levels such as The Library bearable!! Its legacy is in those four people huddled round a CRT screen clutching their controllers and playing round after round of multiplayer. Sure, Xbox Live laid the foundations for what online console multiplayer, whether on Halo or otherwise, has become but in its roots surely lies the necessity for REAL FRIENDS not just ‘‘People I play online with and profess to like’’. Not that I’m saying people don’t have real friends online and or don’t play with them but I am talking about a tangibly real physical, emotional connection. Halo is about many things, but one of those that is most important to me is that Halo is about bonding. The more bonding elements that are removed from Halo the more shallow the experience will become until Halo is reduced to a generic shooter that has nothing to set it apart from the other shelf-fillers.
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> Prior to writing this post my brother and I have been going right back to the beginning of the saga and endeavouring to complete the Master Chief Collection in its entirety in preparation for the launch of Halo 5, secure in the knowledge that once we have managed it we will once again be able to pick up our weapons of choice and battle through whatever may face us in Guardians. Now it appears this may not happen and I am left feeling strangely empty, saddened, bereft. Thinking of not being able to play Halo as we have always played Halo is a very alien feeling.
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> I appreciate many peoples opinions in not regretting the loss of split-screen co-op or multi. I understand the logistical implications for developing Halo 5 without such features. However all those reasons seem, to me, to fly in the face of the core foundations that Halo was built on. Sure, more people play online these days but what of those that don’t or can’t? What of people who can’t afford a new console, a new TV, a new copy of Halo or don’t even have the space (certainly given that at least in the UK the average house ‘‘footprint’’ is significantly less than that in the US) to facilitate such extravagant expenditure? It seems counter-intuitive from a financial standpoint to not be trying to make a game that is viable for as many people as possible. Sure, many people here have and will undoubtedly continue to say ‘‘Yeah, it doesn’t affect me so meh’’. That attitude flies only so far however. What happens if Halo 5 tanks? What if we don’t get Halo 6 or it is further castrated? At what point will it begin to affect you?
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Wow,you put a lot of passion and effort into writing this. I think you should post it to one of 343 employees, its a long shot but since you put a lot of effort into this they might actually listen.

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> Inviting friends over and playing the latest and greatest Halo game together is the essence of the game. It is a tradition. However, with the news that there will be no split screen co-op I am disheartened, disappointed, and let down by 343 and their decisions.
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> Thank you you for informing me that I do not matter and that you do not wish me to preorder or purchase the game. Without split screen co-op, I have no reason to buy.

See I just find this crazy! How is splitscreen the only way you play Halo, ever? It doesn’t seem likely. I understand people are upset, I’m upset as well, but how do so many people only play Halo for the splitscreen? I have never heard that before they announced there was none.

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There were posts either side of this one within the hour. Was it really that much of a bump? I mean this thread has been going strong for a while now. I don’t think bumping it is possible.

On topic. I come up against guests on Halo everyday. Those people we know for certain are splitscreening. Then there’s the ones who use their own accounts. I think we are underestimating the number of people who splitscreen regularly on Halo.

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> I think i will only check the story on youtube, i cannot play with my girlfriend on coop, multi is horrible i think im done with new halo :frowning:

I love the multiplayer.

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> See I just find this crazy! How is splitscreen the only way you play Halo, ever? It doesn’t seem likely. I understand people are upset, I’m upset as well, but how do so many people only play Halo for the splitscreen? I have never heard that before they announced there was none.

Maybe he only plays on the weekend when his pals are over? I play very little Halo solo. The majority of my playtime is with friends. Some of us are social gamers.

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> On topic. I come up against guests on Halo everyday. Those people we know for certain are splitscreening. Then there’s the ones who use their own accounts. I think we are underestimating the number of people who splitscreen regularly on Halo.

If they are removing split screen because they think no one uses it anymore, that’s stupid. Its like going to MacDonald or something and ordering a burger with fries and asking for ketchup but the cashier says “sorry we do not have ketchup anymore” “but why” because people don’t ask for them as much as they used to anymore"

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> > I’m utterly devastated by this turn of events, so please excuse the following outpouring. I’d not realised this was actually a legitimate development (or rather non-development) in the run up to Halo 5s release!! I’ve played Halo since CE on the Xbox with my brother, side by side. My friends without Xbox’s or the financial means to purchase them also played with us and I clocked up so many runs on CE co-op that it is more than I can count. Everyone in my social, bar none, enjoyed the communal experience of split-screen co-op and when that was done we would naturally all pile into multiplayer. 4 player split-screen was a total thrill and my best mate, his younger sisters and I, along with many others would play through the day and long into the night to experience such unbridled social joy that we had not had on a console since Quake III on the Dreamcast. To see this legacy feature taken out to pasture and shot like a lame horse puts nails into the coffin of my youth.
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> > I appreciate many peoples opinions in not regretting the loss of split-screen co-op or multi. I understand the logistical implications for developing Halo 5 without such features. However all those reasons seem, to me, to fly in the face of the core foundations that Halo was built on. Sure, more people play online these days but what of those that don’t or can’t? What of people who can’t afford a new console, a new TV, a new copy of Halo or don’t even have the space (certainly given that at least in the UK the average house ‘‘footprint’’ is significantly less than that in the US) to facilitate such extravagant expenditure? It seems counter-intuitive from a financial standpoint to not be trying to make a game that is viable for as many people as possible. Sure, many people here have and will undoubtedly continue to say ‘‘Yeah, it doesn’t affect me so meh’’. That attitude flies only so far however. What happens if Halo 5 tanks? What if we don’t get Halo 6 or it is further castrated? At what point will it begin to affect you?
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> Wow,you put a lot of passion and effort into writing this. I think you should post it to one of 343 employees, its a long shot but since you put a lot of effort into this they might actually listen.

Thanks Ghost reaper0d, I felt nothing less than all my feelings on the matter would do this justice as I have always been passionate about Halo. It was so very formative throughout my teen years. I was 13 when Halo first came out and it has been a massive part of my gaming life ever since. I think I will try and distribute my message as widely as possible and am considering sending this to 343i in any way.

Maybe it will work, maybe it won’t but at least we tried. If it truly does fall flat, I guess at least we will have scores of like-minded individuals discovered through this thread that will be able to co-op and multi together without being trollish to eachother. The brightest side of this is perhaps it will form a new, stable amicable community of Halo friends who remember the good days, hehe.

With that in mind, I am more than happy for anyone reading my words and liking ‘the cut of my jib’ as it were to add me up so that we can game together!!

I don’t know what all the fuss is about, they won’t be able to achieve a full 60 frame per second if they add splitscreen. It is just way too much to handle and with the recent screenshots of the game I’m not even surprised it looks phenomenal

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There are a number of us who have been requesting 4 player split screen for multiplayer on the feedback program for a long time. Now that they have gotten rid of split screen for campaign as well, maybe we’ll get more backing. Anything helps.

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> Dude, that’s awesome! Good for you! I’m so happy for you! You don’t have to put up with what we put up with! Now please shoo!

Actually it probably sucks for him. He obviously doesn’t know how much fun a LAN experience can be, or playing side by side on the same couch with someone through the campain is. His loss. More importantly it could be our loss :frowning: Man I don’t want to lose splitscreen