I just saw recently the annoucment on GameInformer. I used to play splitscrren with my little brothers on the original Xbox (CE&h2). I’m buying 4 controllers just so that they can play with me and enjoy the game without spending a fortune on buying a new console, etc… It’s a consumer’s right to be able to enjoy the game offline on the same tv so I support this thread and to 343i stop making dub decision like that, I assure you (343i) that we will make ourselves clear enough, even if we have to riot at E3 (and I hope it happens) !
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> why make them waste time on an underused, out of date feature. like adam kovic said, 343 probably has stats that show how often split screen is really used(not much any more) so they figured why waste time effort and money on something a slim amount of people use. this thread has a decent following but simply not enough to justify time into that feature. and lan wont be dead without it. during lan parties most people bring their -Yoinking!- tv and xbox anyway cus splitscreen is disadvantageous
343 should have asked the community before they decided.
Halo 4 sc was unplayable. 343 didn’t fixed it and they said the hardware couldn’t hold up because it was like running the game 4 times at the same time. I could understand that as the 360 is very old hardware.
Now with a new console their excuse is the same, they made a new engine, they should had made it possible. Halo 5 is not a launch title.
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> > > > 343 said the game will support 2 players split screen to allow tha game running on stady 60 fps. It is better for the game to stady run on 60 fps rather than having 4 players split screen.
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> > > What is better for you may not be for other people.
> > > Things change with time but this is a mistake.
> > > I don’t have a Xbox One yet, so can’t talk about 30fps vs 60fps but I imagine it makes a big impact in Halo gameplay.
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> > > People have less time for video games as they age, I owned Master System, Saturn, Dreamcast, Xbox and X360, I played a lot of single player, since Xbox times, my gaming time is 90% Pes/Fifa and Halo.
> > > I fell in love with Halo as many of my friends did, even if most of them never owned a Xbox.
> > > Halo split-screen and LAN are two of the best memories I have from my life, countless hours of adrenaline and trash talk.
> > > No other game gave/give me the experience I have when playing Halo.
> > > That experience improved till Halo 3, i played a lot of Halo Reach also but not as fun, Halo 4 was unplayable and the maps terrible.
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> > > I don’t play as much split-screen as much as I did but the Halo we still play is Halo 3, it’s the Halo that gives me the experience I enjoy the most.
> > > Since Halo 3 I’m waiting for an UPDATED/MODERN version of that. 343 seems to deliver that with Halo 5 but they take out the split-screen so game over to that.
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> > > Give the game another name, Halo without split screen IS NOT HALO.
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> > Splitscreen does not define any game, it exists in lots of old games. You can still play Halo 3 (the coming of a new game does not cancel the old ones, I still love playing aal of the Halo series! And I also play lots of old games on my pc, I know you want an “updated one” but it’s just not going to happen)
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> Microsoft already had this “we have product for you, it’s called 360” BS. It didn’t go well…
Could you imagine the grief I would get off people id I went round saying “if you want a game with sprint, ads, only two player split screen and no theater, go play COD”
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> > > > > 343 said the game will support 2 players split screen to allow tha game running on stady 60 fps. It is better for the game to stady run on 60 fps rather than having 4 players split screen.
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> > > > What is better for you may not be for other people.
> > > > Things change with time but this is a mistake.
> > > > I don’t have a Xbox One yet, so can’t talk about 30fps vs 60fps but I imagine it makes a big impact in Halo gameplay.
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> > > > People have less time for video games as they age, I owned Master System, Saturn, Dreamcast, Xbox and X360, I played a lot of single player, since Xbox times, my gaming time is 90% Pes/Fifa and Halo.
> > > > I fell in love with Halo as many of my friends did, even if most of them never owned a Xbox.
> > > > Halo split-screen and LAN are two of the best memories I have from my life, countless hours of adrenaline and trash talk.
> > > > No other game gave/give me the experience I have when playing Halo.
> > > > That experience improved till Halo 3, i played a lot of Halo Reach also but not as fun, Halo 4 was unplayable and the maps terrible.
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> > > > I don’t play as much split-screen as much as I did but the Halo we still play is Halo 3, it’s the Halo that gives me the experience I enjoy the most.
> > > > Since Halo 3 I’m waiting for an UPDATED/MODERN version of that. 343 seems to deliver that with Halo 5 but they take out the split-screen so game over to that.
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> > > > Give the game another name, Halo without split screen IS NOT HALO.
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> > > Yes it is.
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> > Jet packs, armor abilities, loadouts, terrible splitscreen, etc…
> > The same I say Halo without split-screen is not Halo, I say Halo 4 MP is not Halo.
> > Halo has been selling less since Halo 3, as well as the online community.
> > 343 added things to the game that were not needed and now they are taking pieces of the core experience.
> > Split-Screen is one of the pillars that made Halo the brand it is now, it can’t be taken away.
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> Halo 4 was the best selling Halo to date. Halo 5 is nearing the amount of preorders halo 4 had at this point in its development, and that is on a new console. I’m not sure where you got that statistic of Halo selling less since 3 but it’s false. Halo 4 mp is Halo. Just because it isn’t what you expected it to be does not make it something else entirely. You may not want to play because they are taking out a feature that only a very small amount of people still use, but that doesn’t make the game any less Halo.
Actually Halo 3 still is. Stop spreading lies. Many people became Halo fans because they could sit around one console with friends and family and experience the game in a way gamers today just do not understand.
Also Halo 4 launched to 80 million xbox owners, Halo 3 launched to about 20 million. Halo ODST and Halo Reach did not sell as well as Halo 3. Halo 4 should destroy Halo 3 in sales.
I would also like to know where you are getting your statistic for number of people who split screen from.
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> > I´ve played the campaign of each Halo with my brother in co-op. And now you tell us we have to invest another 400 + 60 Euros to do that in Halo 5??? Come on guys. That’s ridiculous. The game can be as good as it wants. But we will not spend nearly 1000€ only to play this game together. Find a solution to this damn problem.
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> Then I guess you’re not playing co-op with your brother. Not even saying that to be a -Yoink- it’s just the facts.
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> It sucks to see split-screening gone but the vast majority can deal with it. Sorry that you can’t.
If 343i were to drop the campaign completely from all future Halo titles, would you not kick up fuss? Or drop the MP because only a fraction of people stay to play it anymore?
Or would you accept every change as gospel, and lay down at every removal of features?
He is just voicing his opinion of the situation. By shutting him down you are basically saying that his opinion is worthless and because it’s unlikely to provide results it shouldn’t be spoken. It doesn’t hurt you to have people complain about things they like about the franchise disappearing.
The very reason Halo 5 removed loadouts, flinch, unequal starts and ordnance is because people complained before the release of Halo 4.
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> I support this thread and to 343i stop making dub decision like that, I assure you (343i) that we will make ourselves clear enough, even if we have to riot at E3 (and I hope it happens) !
“Dumbest” thing I’ve read on this topic. When it comes rioting, taking out Split Screen out of a GAME doesn’t even make my top 1, 000 list of reasons to riot.
If this feature is so detrimental of a reason that it will ruin your enjoyment of the game then don’t buy it, but it’s pointless to debate it because the gains outweigh the lost in a business point of view, so the decision is made, and they won’t change their minds until maybe the next game. The faster you realize this, the greater the chance you’ll have some fun playing the game if you do decide to buy it.
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> > I support this thread and to 343i stop making dub decision like that, I assure you (343i) that we will make ourselves clear enough, even if we have to riot at E3 (and I hope it happens) !
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> “Dumbest” thing I’ve read on this topic. When it comes rioting, taking out Split Screen out of a GAME doesn’t even make my top 1, 000 list of reasons to riot.
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> If this feature is so detrimental of a reason that it will ruin your enjoyment of the game then don’t buy it, but it’s pointless to debate it because the gains outweigh the lost in a business point of view, so the decision is made, and they won’t change their minds until maybe the next game. The faster you realize this, the greater the chance you’ll have some fun playing the game if you do decide to buy it.
What do we gain that outweigh the loss of splitscreen?
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> “Dumbest” thing I’ve read on this topic. When it comes rioting, taking out Split Screen out of a GAME doesn’t even make my top 1, 000 list of reasons to riot.
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> If this feature is so detrimental of a reason that it will ruin your enjoyment of the game then don’t buy it, but it’s pointless to debate it because the gains outweigh the lost so the decision is made, and they won’t change their minds. The faster you realize this, the greater the chance you’ll have some fun playing the game if you do decide to buy it.
And the gains is 60fps. Something only 1 Halo game to date has featured. Whereas split screen was standard for every Halo game.
Also MCC has 60fps and split screen, so what really are the gains?
Totally agree with you.
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> > > 343 said the game will support 2 players split screen to allow tha game running on stady 60 fps. It is better for the game to stady run on 60 fps rather than having 4 players split screen.
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> > Things change with time but this is a mistake.
> > I don’t have a Xbox One yet, so can’t talk about 30fps vs 60fps but I imagine it makes a big impact in Halo gameplay.
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> > People have less time for video games as they age, I owned Master System, Saturn, Dreamcast, Xbox and X360, I played a lot of single player, since Xbox times, my gaming time is 90% Pes/Fifa and Halo.
> > I fell in love with Halo as many of my friends did, even if most of them never owned a Xbox.
> > Halo split-screen and LAN are two of the best memories I have from my life, countless hours of adrenaline and trash talk.
> > No other game gave/give me the experience I have when playing Halo.
> > That experience improved till Halo 3, i played a lot of Halo Reach also but not as fun, Halo 4 was unplayable and the maps terrible.
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> > I don’t play as much split-screen as much as I did but the Halo we still play is Halo 3, it’s the Halo that gives me the experience I enjoy the most.
> > Since Halo 3 I’m waiting for an UPDATED/MODERN version of that. 343 seems to deliver that with Halo 5 but they take out the split-screen so game over to that.
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> > Give the game another name, Halo without split screen IS NOT HALO.
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YYep
By all means I’m no game programmer so I don’t know behind the scenes mechanics it takes to make a game if they felt the need to take out Split Screen for performance or graphics then so be it. You wouldn’t question an engineer on how to build a building if you don’t have an engineering degree would you.
Like I said if playing split screen with your friends, love ones, or children is so detrimental to having fun playing Halo then don’t buy it. But odds are if they can track statistics of who played Halo by themselves/seperate consoles to those that played split screen campaign your going to see more hours spent themselves then split screens. So they took out for what they felt was better options used for those resources, what those are I don’t know and don’t try to pretend I do.
Again if you don’t agree then don’t she’ll out 60 dollars seems simpler then complaining on something that won’t change. They focus on sales if you want to make a statement that’s how you will do it, not on the forums.
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> By all means I’m no game programmer so I don’t know behind the scenes mechanics it takes to make a game if they felt the need to take out Split Screen for performance or graphics then so be it. You wouldn’t question an engineer on how to build a building if you don’t have an engineering degree would you.
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> Like I said if playing split screen with your friends, love ones, or children is so detrimental to having fun playing Halo then don’t buy it. But odds are if they can track statistics of who played Halo by themselves/seperate consoles to those that played split screen campaign your going to see more hours spent themselves then split screens. So they took out for what they felt was better options used for those resources, what those are I don’t know and don’t try to pretend I do.
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> Again if you don’t agree then don’t she’ll out 60 dollars seems simpler then complaining on something that won’t change. They focus on sales if you want to make a statement that’s how you will do it, not on the forums.
Your last line is very sketchy, since it does defeat the purpose of forums.
Although yes, if the engineers back at 343 say it is really not feasible or at least not without another disaster like MCC, nothing much that can be done.
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> By all means I’m no game programmer so I don’t know behind the scenes mechanics it takes to make a game if they felt the need to take out Split Screen for performance or graphics then so be it. You wouldn’t question an engineer on how to build a building if you don’t have an engineering degree would you.
That’s actually odd to find humble anti-split screener 
I remember discussing such things on bungie.net and I had to argue with complete ignorants who were saying this is not possible because it means rendering whole game twice (or up to 4 times), and they are experts because they were using Reach’s Forge…
However I don’t agree with that I have to buy another console to play a game with family. That’s just wrong. What else? Buying more cars, because producers decided to exclude backseats? Buying more dvd players and TVs so we can watch movies together? Buying more headphones so each of us can listen to the (same!) music in perfect stereo? That’s just nonsense and this trend has to stop.
I grew up playing PC games, I know what lan parties looks like and when I’m buying a console, I’m expecting something much different than that. One device per person just to be able to do things together isn’t progress - just the opposite.
More and more my gamer friends are asking me “Why Consoles? Why not PC?” And they have a valid point. Some of the benefits of playing on a PC include:
- Free multiplayer - Larger selection of games - Older games run on it (looking at you, XBone, sitting there next to a stack of depreciated 360 games) - Crazy good game sales. - Now can be played on the big screen with a controller, just like a console. - In the past playing on a PC meant sorting through tech issues to get your game running. In 2015 those issues are mostly gone. - The Mouse. - Doesn’t share a screen with someone who wants to watch Dancing with the Stars right this second. - Upgradable. Wish I could swap my Xbone HDD for the new 1 TB drive. Oh well… - Community ModsSo why play games on console? When asked why I dropped my cash on a new XBone, my response is always the same: Couch Freaking Co-op. Two people sitting on the couch enjoying the same game with no hassle, no creating accounts, no buying two copies, none of that. In my opinion this is the only thing consoles provide over the PC, and its the reason I bought a next Gen console.
If consoles don’t continue to provide on their one real selling point, then they will make themselves obsolete.
“343 will get money”
Lol?
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> > By all means I’m no game programmer so I don’t know behind the scenes mechanics it takes to make a game if they felt the need to take out Split Screen for performance or graphics then so be it. You wouldn’t question an engineer on how to build a building if you don’t have an engineering degree would you.
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> However I don’t agree with that I have to buy another console to play a game with family. That’s just wrong. What else? Buying more cars, because producers decided to exclude backseats? Buying more dvd players and TVs so we can watch movies together? Buying more headphones so each of us can listen to the (same!) music in perfect stereo? That’s just nonsense and this trend has to stop.
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> I grew up playing PC games, I know what lan parties looks like and when I’m buying a console, I’m expecting something much different than that. One device per person just to be able to do things together isn’t progress - just the opposite.
At this point, I am inclined to believe that it is a sadistic choice forced upon 343 to prevent a repeat of MCC, which definitely must not happen again at all costs, even if it sadly requires to ‘shoot the dog’, as I would call it.
Holmes has hinted at technical problems that could hamper responsiveness and how the game is played on Twitter. Why this is happening even with next gen is another question.
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> > why make them waste time on an underused, out of date feature. like adam kovic said, 343 probably has stats that show how often split screen is really used(not much any more) so they figured why waste time effort and money on something a slim amount of people use. this thread has a decent following but simply not enough to justify time into that feature. and lan wont be dead without it. during lan parties most people bring their -Yoinking!- tv and xbox anyway cus splitscreen is disadvantageous
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> 343 should have asked the community before they decided.
> Halo 4 sc was unplayable. 343 didn’t fixed it and they said the hardware couldn’t hold up because it was like running the game 4 times at the same time. I could understand that as the 360 is very old hardware.
> Now with a new console their excuse is the same, they made a new engine, they should had made it possible. Halo 5 is not a launch title.
Halo 5 has updated graphics and is in the same boat as Halo 4. You cant expect them to push the game forward through the campaign if they have to rely on having to run it multiple times on the same screen. Especially if campaign has multiple routes, imagine 4 of you on the same screen taking 4 different routes. Normally, you could use 1 fragment and trash the other 3. In this case, each fragment is now relevant, adding 4 times the amount of things on screen. Thats going to need quite a bit of power
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> Although yes, if the engineers back at 343 say it is really not feasible or at least not without another disaster like MCC, nothing much that can be done.
That actually says more about these engineers capabilities, than anything else. Some dudes hired by Gearbox, who were making Borderlands port could increase split screen to 4 players on Xbox One. It took them another 2 months to make it actually works well, but poor 343i just can’t do their job done, so they decide to erase everything.
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> That actually says more about these engineers capabilities, than anything else. Some dudes hired by Gearbox, who were making Borderlands port could increase split screen to 4 players on Xbox One. It took them another 2 months to make it actually works well, but poor 343i just can’t do their job done, so they decide to erase everything.
Is there a difference between an updated port for an older game versus something new and fresh that rumour claims will push the Xbone to its limits in single-player alone? Cos I think there definitely is a big difference here.
On another note, I wonder how the couch-gaming trend and culture will evolve. Many things are changing…
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> > Again if you don’t agree then don’t she’ll out 60 dollars seems simpler then complaining on something that won’t change. They focus on sales if you want to make a statement that’s how you will do it, not on the forums.
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> Your last line is very sketchy, since it does defeat the purpose of forums.
> Although yes, if the engineers back at 343 say it is really not feasible or at least not without another disaster like MCC, nothing much that can be done.
Yes forums are there to voice your displeasure on certain things you may dislike but they aren’t used to make decisions once decisions are made.
Take Jurassic Park, they made a formula in the first movie and they change it for the next two movies and they weren’t successful because of ticket sales and critics after the fact when movies came out. Now 10+ years later they are going back to what worked and I have seen nothing but great things about the movie. With Halo I’ve heard nothing but complaints and no one has even played the game with the new engine, graphics and there are some out there that are talking about rioting because there is no split screen.
343 at the end of the day is a business, If you think you won’t have fun playing the game alone, which I doubt you may not have as much fun playing split screen, then don’t buy it because the mighty dollar trumps everything, especially people complaining about something that hasn’t come out yet.