i was banned for UNUSUAL selection followed by wierd language
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its unnatural selectionâŚmeans you suicided to many times. which you were probably kicked fomr the game for that, and then due to all the negative things you could have done in the past tallied up for a ban
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> > > > > > > ^ Perfect example - I reviewed his service record for several pages, and only saw ONE DNF - LOL
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> > > > > > Thereâs 3 in the past 12 or so pages. About 2% quit rate for the past 2 weeks? Two of them were from server disconnects, and one of them was an idle kick because of a family member tripping down the stairs and needed immediate attention. I remember them quite specifically, as itâs not often that I donât finish games. I have some 600+ games. Iâve quit 4 times, and disconnected some way or another about 5-6 times. So thatâs probably about 1% DNF rate. Really low, actually. I consider myself ban free, because I donât consider my first ban to be a legitimate and valid ban.
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> > > > > Iâve been banned 2x, one perhaps legitimate (donât know to be honest anymore), the other definitely not. Itâs really frustrating that I canât even make my own thread on this topic - havenât been told why yet - just âthereâs this thread,â even though itâs differentâŚ
> > > > > This thread is too dense to make a difference in my opinion; no one wants to read the same thing over and over, with some being real and some being fake. Thatâs why I wanted a new thread⌠to discuss the concept of the banning system, not be a thread full of clearly ignored posts⌠If it wasnât ignored, it would have changed by now I think.
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> > > > To get you to stop complaining about why your thread was moved here. Seeing you are new to waypoint based off your actions and rank. The mods made one mega thread because the forums were being flocked with a new ban thread like every five mins. It clogged up the forums for more important issues. Because quite frankly about 99% of the bans Iâve seen are legit and were well deserved. Heâs there is the occasional head scratcher but no one wanted to keep reading threads about ppl being banned for ânoâ reason just to pull their record and see 10 DNFs in 30 games
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> > > > also pay attention with your hammer. I donât know anyone that gets banned in grif. The only ones conplaingjng are the entitled ones who think they should be allowed to freely just swing their shy around. That takes no skill. Which seems like a lot of ppl want to de skill grif by allowing you to literally just hammer spam everywhere.
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> > > Seriously� Do my eyes deceive what I am reading? The forum rules specifically state that as long as flaming, spamming, etc. are not engaged, one may post something as long as it is constructive and pertaining to the game - which, in fact, a part of the game that I was discussing (the concept of the ban system, NOT the fact that I was banned) is very legitimate. Since that is the focus of the thread and does not focus on trying to justify myself for being banned, it is a completely different topic.
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> > > Anyway, to go back to your post⌠Feel free to download the film in which I DID get banned for grifball. My teammates freewillingly hit me MANY times, and I didnât boot them. Secondly, teamkilling happens in Grifball, no matter how good you are - you also ignored my comment about us JUST spawning in which the game forces you to have hammers out.
> > > Get shut down xD Thirdly, you donât seem to recognize the gentleman who has barely quit any games, and got banned himself - the proof is in his service record, champ.
> > > âOh well heâs the 1%â - yeah okay, keep telling yourself that. - This is why the forum is such a joke, because people criticize other players without even considering anything that they say. - Hereâs my 2 cents for ya, this isnât my first account on XBOX, let alone Halo Waypoint - but thatâs okay, you can jump to assumptions to make yourself feel better about your post, and continue to ignore what others say and instead say ânaw man people just dumb that post here.â Plus, since when does the amount of posts on a website have to do with someoneâs knowledge of a game? Youâll be surprised to see that this isnât a good way to measure someoneâs knowledge on the game, as youâll see at the bottom of this post
But I guess since weâre using false measurements, I might as well say you have less than 500 Halo gamerscore 
> > > Please refer to my list of reasons why I would like to improve the system, since that was the intention of my post, rather than to âcomplainâ - complaining has no objective to it, but a list of flaws in the system does have an objective to it, to make improvements. On the other hand, criticizing other players and telling them âyall are dead wrongâ is not constructive at all when you ignore what others say, and put yourself on a high horse.
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> > > Lastly, to burst a hole in your bubble - âyall must not realize warzone counts for bans tooâ - well, let me tell you that you must not realize that warzone bans and arena bans are separate. BAZINGA!!!
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> > Iâm beginning to think CrazyHoneyBadger is just that. A Crazy Honey Badger furiously typing away on his keyboard. He makes no sense at all. You canât help but kill some teamates when youre in the middle of a swing and your buddy thinks its a great idea o spartan charge in front of you with zero shields. Sorry, thatâs on you. And CrazyHoneyBadger if thatâs seriously what you think, you canât have played enough Grif to know what itâs like.
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> 1) i have seen ppl numerous times be banned in arena for warzone DNFs. and numerous ppl have even been like oh i didnt know warzone can get me banned in arena.
> 2) i checked the guys service record you were talking aboutâŚhe had 10% dnf. which from what i have noticed gets you a ban
> 3) you do not need to be reckless when swinging your hammer. its really not that hardâŚ
> 4) your thread was still moved because anything and everything related to bans goes to this thread, ANYTHING and EVERYTHING. it is considered spam to post ban related topics else where. if you need the mods to change the title of the thread to make you understand that im sure a simple request will help out with that.
> 5) i play grif and have friends that play grif. i have been booted one time from a game, but i didnt get banned. if you are getting banned for getting kicked out of grif games for betrayals two words
> pay attention, i bet you thought i was going to say get good but nope
Still ignoring my post
1) itâs separate, I know for a fact itâs separate, because it even states it on the 343 specifications on banning⌠please refer to it for more information. (EDIT: if you canât find it, go ahead and get banned in Arena OR Warzone, and tell me if it prevents you from playing the other)
2) even you said over a span of time, which, the span of time was quite spread out⌠which point that you said was wrong, the span of time, or the fact that he didnât get banned legitimately?
3) ignored comment about just spawning (still has not watched film
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4) Didnât break any rules of the forum, since it is not a related topic - discussing the concept rather than posting in a âwhy was I bannedâ forum is 2 different things - thatâs like saying âwhy was my banana not ripeâ versus âwe should improve our bananas by choosing where we get them fromâ - metaphor of course, but very clear at that.
5) The banning system is inconsistent then⌠you just pointed that out. Which justifies my point about me leaving 1 game and my friend leaving many, which goes back to point #2, which point of yours is wrong then?
âSpoiler:â - your logic is flawed when you donât review all evidence in front of you 
EDIT2: Did not refer to bullet list to improve system from beginning post on page 56, and only focused on my specific ban.
Please refer to all evidence before I return back to your posts; thank you.
> Still ignoring my post
1) itâs separate, I know for a fact itâs separate, because it even states it on the 343 website⌠please refer to it for more information.
> 2) even you said over a span of time, which, the span of time was quite spread out⌠which point that you said was wrong, the span of time, or the fact that he didnât get banned legitimately?
> 3) ignored comment about just spawning (still has not watched film
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> 4) Didnât break any rules of the forum, since it is not a related topic - discussing the concept rather than posting in a âwhy was I bannedâ forum is 2 different things - thatâs like saying âwhy was my banana not ripeâ versus âwe should improve our bananas by choosing where we get them fromâ - metaphor of course, but very clear at that.
> 5) The banning system is inconsistent then⌠you just pointed that out. Which justifies my point about me leaving 1 game and my friend leaving many, which goes back to point #2, which point of yours is wrong then?
> âSpoiler:â - your logic is flawed when you donât review all evidence in front of you 
i just told you all ban related topics go hereâŚif you need the mods to change the title of this thread to make you understand that im sure that i reasonableâŚdo you not comprehend? that is why you were locked out beforeâŚALL ban topics come here. the reason for that is because in a topic like what you posted you will get pl that start complaining about WHY they were banned. to prevent that anything talking about the ban system period get locked and moved. still not a hard concept to grasp, but dont worry ill ask for a title change. something very vague cause you cant think outside the box on why you had a locked thread.
honestly does it matter what the website says when i clearly just told you i have seen ppl quit in warzone numerous times and not have one dnf in arena and they cant play arenaâŚyou cant be that oblivious can you? to prove why the website is flawed in what they say. you claim you quit one time, well if you include warzone you quit 3 times on the first two pages combined of your service record. and since you sound like you play a lot of grif all those betrayals do add up to receiving a ban, bans are not limited to only DNF.
anyways those three DNF are why you were banned plus betrayals. so maybe rethink assuming the bans are separate cause i notice a lot they are not. and in fact tie into each other whether they are suppose to or not
i dont need to see the clip. it doesnt matter how you spawned or where you spawned. i get it you spawn, enemy is trying to score you swing hammer and kill a teammate. but if it was the first time you killed said teammate you wouldnt have been kicked. if anything get mad at the guy you killed. i have been in a situation just like what you describe and guess what i didnt get kicked or even team kill. it seems 343 is not wanting grif to be mindless ppl just running around swinging a hammer. and again blame the guy who set yes boot the betrayer.
I keep getting the banhammer because at the end of the game after the scores it says connection lost and then I get banned. This was fine for a while when I was getting 10-30 minute bans but now Iâm getting over 2 and a half hour bans because at the end of a game my connection goes. My internets fine and I hardly get any lag on halo but I still keep losing connection at the end of games. I canât be the only one this has happened too and it really frustrates me when I canât play halo because of a stupid connection loss after the games finished.
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> I keep getting the banhammer because at the end of the game after the scores it says connection lost and then I get banned. This was fine for a while when I was getting 10-30 minute bans but now Iâm getting over 2 and a half hour bans because at the end of a game my connection goes. My internets fine and I hardly get any lag on halo but I still keep losing connection at the end of games. I canât be the only one this has happened too and it really frustrates me when I canât play halo because of a stupid connection loss after the games finished.
Nope, you arenât the only one, and donât let anyone tell you âyou deserved itâ 
This is one of the issues I have referred to regarding problems with the banning system - please refer to it at the top of page 56 and feel free to give it a like if you agree 
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> > I keep getting the banhammer because at the end of the game after the scores it says connection lost and then I get banned. This was fine for a while when I was getting 10-30 minute bans but now Iâm getting over 2 and a half hour bans because at the end of a game my connection goes. My internets fine and I hardly get any lag on halo but I still keep losing connection at the end of games. I canât be the only one this has happened too and it really frustrates me when I canât play halo because of a stupid connection loss after the games finished.
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> Nope, you arenât the only one, and donât let anyone tell you âyou deserved itâ 
> This is one of the issues I have referred to regarding problems with the banning system - please refer to it at the top of page 56 and feel free to give it a like if you agree 
Actually looking at his DNF games I found five very recent ones where his stats donât line up with getting kicked out at the end of a game. Going 0-1 then leaving reallyâŚ
what at it sounds like is happening is you DNF a game then go to play another game in which after that game finishes the system is kicking you early and then banning you for your previous offense. Once time runs out and announcer says game over its game over. You can leave and the game counts as complete. There is a slight delay 1-3 games in which the ban hammer kicks in. Donât listen to the guy that doesnât know what he is talking about you will be heavily mis guided. You have tons of DNFs.
In in case you missed it the connection lost you are getting at is the system expediting your ban. No point in your watching the end credits. The game is already over at that point
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> > > I keep getting the banhammer because at the end of the game after the scores it says connection lost and then I get banned. This was fine for a while when I was getting 10-30 minute bans but now Iâm getting over 2 and a half hour bans because at the end of a game my connection goes. My internets fine and I hardly get any lag on halo but I still keep losing connection at the end of games. I canât be the only one this has happened too and it really frustrates me when I canât play halo because of a stupid connection loss after the games finished.
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> > Nope, you arenât the only one, and donât let anyone tell you âyou deserved itâ 
> > This is one of the issues I have referred to regarding problems with the banning system - please refer to it at the top of page 56 and feel free to give it a like if you agree 
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> Actually looking at his DNF games I found five very recent ones where his stats donât line up with getting kicked out at the end of a game. Going 0-1 then leaving reallyâŚ
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> what at it sounds like is happening is you DNF a game then go to play another game in which after that game finishes the system is kicking you early and then banning you for your previous offense. Once time runs out and announcer says game over its game over. You can leave and the game counts as complete. There is a slight delay 1-3 games in which the ban hammer kicks in. Donât listen to the guy that doesnât know what he is talking about you will be heavily mis guided. You have tons of DNFs.
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> In in case you missed it the connection lost you are getting at is the system expediting your ban. No point in your watching the end credits. The game is already over at that point
Too bad not all DNFs register, particularly disconnects. - Letâs say that heâs wrong though, hypothetically.
What about others? In fact, as I typed my first post on page 56 I got kicked from a Warzone game for not playing (yep, thatâs right, I AFKd to time how long it takes to get kicked), didnât get banned, and it wasnât even in my games history. - But please, refute my personal evidence, and in turn refute your own about âknowing people who experienced warzone DNFs but got banned in Arena.â 
Also, if I go to my recent matches in theater it does have a recording of me playing - However, when it DOES register for a disconnect and not just an AFK disconnect, it screws you over by 1) taking your card (i.e., xp boost or other boost), 2) waste of your time, and 3) giving you a âtallyâ on your ban; ainât that the irony⌠
I get banned for no reason literally. I have brobably been banned 5 or 6 times and everytime it says because i quit. I never quit. And most of the time it will throw me out of the game im currently playing and say im banned. Its a bunch of bullcrap and i know im not the only one. I never leave a match before its over. But what happens if i did?? What if my daughter wakes up in the night and i have to go tend to her. I get punished for it? This feature definatly needs to be removed and is my only problem with halo 5.
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> > > > I keep getting the banhammer because at the end of the game after the scores it says connection lost and then I get banned. This was fine for a while when I was getting 10-30 minute bans but now Iâm getting over 2 and a half hour bans because at the end of a game my connection goes. My internets fine and I hardly get any lag on halo but I still keep losing connection at the end of games. I canât be the only one this has happened too and it really frustrates me when I canât play halo because of a stupid connection loss after the games finished.
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> Too bad not all DNFs register, particularly disconnects. - Letâs say that heâs wrong though, hypothetically.
> What about others? In fact, as I typed my first post on page 56 I got kicked from a Warzone game for not playing (yep, thatâs right, I AFKd to time how long it takes to get kicked), didnât get banned, and it wasnât even in my games history. - But please, refute my personal evidence, and in turn refute your own about âknowing people who experienced warzone DNFs but got banned in Arena.â 
> Also, if I go to my recent matches in theater it does have a recording of me playing - However, when it DOES register for a disconnect and not just an AFK disconnect, it screws you over by 1) taking your card (i.e., xp boost or other boost), 2) waste of your time, and 3) giving you a âtallyâ on your ban; ainât that the irony⌠
I couldnât find the part where you said you were booted for AFKing, as an experiment, then again I wasnât looking that hard.
Either way, do you have the game video posted with dates and everything so we can check your claims?
Also, in case I havenât missed any links, your personal evidence is still just claims, as there is nothing backing it up.
See, we now have two conflicting statements, one is new, and one is old.
I havenât been banned so I donât know if you get banned from both for doing wrong in one, but Iâve always assumed that was the case because everyone, up to this point, has said theyâve been banned from Multiplayer, not just one part of it. Everyone Iâve seen that is.
Yes, I do think the banhammer need a lot of changes to itâs foundation, and I think i343 should communicate more on the current system and how it works. Iâm not even certain Iâve seen any case where it has reset, or even decreased the ban time despite many clean games in between over a long period of time.
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> > > > I keep getting the banhammer because at the end of the game after the scores it says connection lost and then I get banned. This was fine for a while when I was getting 10-30 minute bans but now Iâm getting over 2 and a half hour bans because at the end of a game my connection goes. My internets fine and I hardly get any lag on halo but I still keep losing connection at the end of games. I canât be the only one this has happened too and it really frustrates me when I canât play halo because of a stupid connection loss after the games finished.
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> > > Nope, you arenât the only one, and donât let anyone tell you âyou deserved itâ 
> > > This is one of the issues I have referred to regarding problems with the banning system - please refer to it at the top of page 56 and feel free to give it a like if you agree 
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> > Actually looking at his DNF games I found five very recent ones where his stats donât line up with getting kicked out at the end of a game. Going 0-1 then leaving reallyâŚ
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> > what at it sounds like is happening is you DNF a game then go to play another game in which after that game finishes the system is kicking you early and then banning you for your previous offense. Once time runs out and announcer says game over its game over. You can leave and the game counts as complete. There is a slight delay 1-3 games in which the ban hammer kicks in. Donât listen to the guy that doesnât know what he is talking about you will be heavily mis guided. You have tons of DNFs.
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> > In in case you missed it the connection lost you are getting at is the system expediting your ban. No point in your watching the end credits. The game is already over at that point
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> Too bad not all DNFs register, particularly disconnects. - Letâs say that heâs wrong though, hypothetically.
> What about others? In fact, as I typed my first post on page 56 I got kicked from a Warzone game for not playing (yep, thatâs right, I AFKd to time how long it takes to get kicked), didnât get banned, and it wasnât even in my games history. - But please, refute my personal evidence, and in turn refute your own about âknowing people who experienced warzone DNFs but got banned in Arena.â 
> Also, if I go to my recent matches in theater it does have a recording of me playing - However, when it DOES register for a disconnect and not just an AFK disconnect, it screws you over by 1) taking your card (i.e., xp boost or other boost), 2) waste of your time, and 3) giving you a âtallyâ on your ban; ainât that the irony⌠
Really? Cause your first war zone DNF shows your were AFK the game. You also donât get banned after every DNF. Thatâs very common sense. I just looked in your game history. Who are you trying to fool? Cause now your are making any point you had invalid by being blatantly wrong
Proof afk was a DNF. So it did register. Good job Jr
if you want some ice Iâll get you some
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> > I get banned for no reason literally. I have brobably been banned 5 or 6 times and everytime it says because i quit. I never quit. And most of the time it will throw me out of the game im currently playing and say im banned. Its a bunch of bullcrap and i know im not the only one. I never leave a match before its over. But what happens if i did?? What if my daughter wakes up in the night and i have to go tend to her. I get punished for it? This feature definatly needs to be removed and is my only problem with halo 5.
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> you have 21 DNFS out of the 113 games you have playeedâŚthats why you have been banned
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> At 3:00 PM central standard time, I was placed on a 10 minute suspension from Arena matchmaking. When I searched my Halo Waypoint game history for a basis of the online ban, I was perplexed to reason why the ban-hammer struck at only Arena matchmaking and did not include Warzone matchmaking. Below I have provided all of the matches I left prematurely during the month of April thus far:
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> In the last 24 hours (DNFs) -
> 23 April - (Arena) Breakout on Empire
> 23 April - (WZ) Warzone Assault on Summit > > Array > > Dispatch
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> In the last week (DNFs) -
> 18 April - (Areana & WZ) Slayer on Fathom > > Warzone Firefight on Escape from A.R.C.
> 17 April - (Customs) Slayer on Dr. Timâs Spaceport Stop
> 16 April - (Arena) Griffball on Crowâs Court
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> In the last two weeks (DNFs) -
> 14 April - (WZ) Warzone Assault on Summit
> 12 April - (WZ) Warzone Assault on Urban
> 11 April - (WZ & Arena) Warzone on Skirmish on Darkstar > > Warzone Assault on Summit > > Griffball on Crowâs Court
> 10 April - (WZ) Warzone Assault on Urban
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> In the remainder of the month (DNFs) -
> 08 April - (WZ) Warzone on Raid on Apex 7 > > Warzone on Battle of Noctus
> 07 April - (WZ & Arena) 2x Warzone Assault on Urban > > Griball on Bloodsport > > Griffball on Crowâs Court > > Griffball on Red vs. Blue 2003
> 06 April - (WZ) Warzone on Escape from A.R.C. > > Warzone on Raid on Apex 7
> 04 April - (WZ) Warzone Assault on Dispatch
> 02 April - (WZ) Warzone on Raid on Apex 7 > > Warzone on Battle of Noctus
> 01 April - (Customs & Arena) Slayer on Simplexity > > Big Team CTF on Viking
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> In the month of April alone, I have accumulated two custom game DNFs, eight Arena DNFs, and eighteen Warzone DNFs for a grand total of twenty-eight DNFs. I have been banned from Arena matchmaking thrice; and I have yet to be suspended from Warzone matchmaking. Does Halo 5 not have two separate systems to monitor, and dispense punishment for Arena and Warzone matchmaking player infractions? If this is the case, then do the two systems deal sentences on different scales, instead of an universal judgment? I would like these questions to be answered by the proper authorities for this matter.
Here is your proof also. Just one of many guys who quit a lot in war zone and get banned in arena. Iâll get you the ice now. There is more but I have proven my point you havenât proven yours.
if you donât reply I will understand.
How does quitting in the arena stacks the warzone ban duration? Answer this please because I am always seeing this.
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> How does quitting in the arena stacks the warzone ban duration? Answer this please because I am always seeing this.
i have never seen anyone get banned in warzone honestly. not saying it hasnt happened. but all the complaints ive seen here are about being banned in arena. which makes sense arena is the more competitive side of halo so dont let habitual quitters in a casual game mode come and ruin arena
The ban hammer is way to twitchy.
I quit 1 game and got banned.
You can check my game history.
First off I quit that assault match before I played the ctf match so ? On that.In the last week Iâve only 2 arena quits.
2 in arena (that assault match and one I played 4 Days ago)Is it >1 quit in a week = ban?
I only quit that assault match because I was lagging so bad that match was unplayable.
The other was a lag drop
RP CraZHoneyBadger:
Film is bookmarked, feel free to check it out sometime.
You know why I took so long to reply? Because I was doing school stuff - itâs the end of the semester, and Iâm in college, so, you know, I prioritize that over immediately replying to every post on this forum. - Plus thereâs a daily limit on how many posts I can have (hence why Iâm posting on here now
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Putting everything aside though, absolutely none of this has to do with anything that Iâve countered on your side - such as, warzone bans and arena bans being separate, or the fact that the one person had very few matches left in arena, but was banned. - On top of that, you attribute knowledge of the game (and forums) to how many posts one has, when you yourself donât have even 1000 gamerscore in the collection of Halos. But you and I both know that both of these measurements are worth absolutely nothing, which is why you didnât comment on it - better to not comment on it than to admit youâre wrong.
Foremost, you ignored the giant list I had on page 56 - remember, I by no means am saying that the ban system is unacceptable, but instead, propose improving the flaws about it.
Until I see something pertaining to my list and only my list, I see no reason to address any of your posts, or anyone else that decides to flame. This is pointless since the sole purpose of this talk has went beyond my proposal, to just talking about âwhy I was banned.â That is why I wanted a different thread, because this thread is full of cynical individuals who assume everyone deserves to get banned. Of course your point about others posting on my thread about âwhyâ they were banned would happen, itâs inevitable, particularly when the system is flawed, but it would certainly grab more attention than this thread is currently doing. Certainly, a large portion of people DO deserve to be banned - but everyone? If anyone doesnât think âout of the boxâ itâs you sadly.
Take care, friend.
So there I was, in a Slayer game when a friend invited me to join his fireteam. I press/hold the dashboard button to accept - only to find myself immediately banned from matchmaking for 10 minutes! The ban itself technically isnât the issue as I did leave a game via the menu earlier this evening on account of literally unplayable lag (a once in a blue moon thing) but I didnât expect to be yoinked out of this second game mid match by accepting the fireteam invite!
The default behaviour should be to only join the inviterâs party at first, and then join their fireteam when your match finishes.
This unintuitive behaviour rightly inconveniences remaining players too, by leaving the match with a 3 v 4 lineup.
So today i was just playing normally. I had not quite any games for atleast 2-3 hours and the upon FINISHING a game i was greated with this:
http://imgur.com/3elu8Bd (showing the 9 hour ban)
This seriously needs to be fixed
Today, I got banned from Griftball for accidentally betraying teammates. This is the third time Iâve gotten banned, and it is started worry me. I personally believe you shouldnât be able to get banned from betraying in Griftball, because people betray accidentally all the time in Griftball with their Gravity Hammers.