> You’ve all received sufficient explanation as to what happened. Enforcement doesn’t care if your attempts to manipulate or boost failed or not, they simply look at the attempts.
How can anyone prove that I attempted to manipulate or boost? It wasn’t my intent to manipulate or boost, and that certainly wasn’t the outcome either.
> As you have all received your explanation and answer to the question of, “Why did I get banned?” please note that lifting of the bans is up to Enforcement and they have the link to the thread so they can decide for themselves. Please do not continue the discussion here so as to not derail the thread further.
I received an explanation and answer that isn’t valid given the reason for my ban. Also, where CAN I go to continue the discussion, if not here? The Xbox Enforcement page has no record of the ban.
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> > Questionable. Regardless, I was talking about your knowledge of the matchmaking system, so that’s irrelevant.
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> Considering it’s the ban system you’ve fallen to, not so much.
If you understood the matchmaking system, you would understand that what I did wasn’t manipulation of the system nor an attempt to manipulate the system. So, it seems your knowledge of both the matchmaking system and the ban system are both tenuous at best.
> It doesn’t have to be your rank. You were involved in the manipualtion of the die roll. You (or those in your party) tried to alter the way the system worked.
Please explain how I manipulated the die roll. Also, please explain how you know I tried to alter the way the system works.
> But you were involved in the crime and therefore have consequences that follow.
I was not involved with the deranking in any way.
> > Yes. What did I manipulate? The players I played were the same, and my rank after the games was the same. Nobody I played against was unfairly negatively impacted by playing against me.
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> You’re running around in circles. Just because you personally didn’t thow the brick through the window you just walked the guy there helped him pick which window to throw it in, etc.
Whom did I help throw the brick through the window? If you’re talking about the deranker, his account had no effect on anyone’s experience. I’ve given the reason for that in this thread at least 4 times now, but everyone seems to ignore that part of my argument.
> It doesn’t require someone to benefit from it for it to be against the rules. I’m not sure if you’re clinging to that because you think it sounds better than it does or because you truly don’t understand the way things are.
Driving a car isn’t against the rules. No rule was broken. The matchmaking system wasn’t affected in any way by the deranker. I’m not sure how many times I have to say that, but I will continue to say it until you understand. Before you try to claim that “you saying something doesn’t make it so,” I’ve explained to you FACTUALLY how nobody was negatively impacted and how the matches I played with the deranker would have been the same matches I would have played if the deranker were on his main. I even provided you with examples (my game history). Meanwhile you just spit inapplicable analogies at me to insult my intelligence.
> It doesn’t help you; nor does the running around in circles. A is against the rules. You were involved in A. There are consequences for A. You recieved consequences for your action.
I’m only running around in circles because you’re ignoring what I’m saying. There was no manipulation. There was no ATTEMPT at manipulation. Nothing about the matchmaking system was altered in any way by the deranker.
> What you took from the conversation (and I’m beginning to assume a lot of conversations) and what was actually said aren’t quite the same thing.
Me: I’m guessing it’s for the bronze I play with. I thought those didn’t change the game because it only takes 1 game for their MMR to be corrected.
Menke: That’s true, so you don’t see these types of bans as often so it might be more than that. Could look ask Monday.
He never replied to me any further, but make of that what you will. It’s pretty clear.
> Are you trying for corporate truth? Repeat a lie often enough that it becomes the truth?
Um no. What I’m saying is, factually, the truth. This is from Menke himself.
> Hey, you got something right. Your motivation for your actions isn’t relevant to what they were or the consequences of them.
I’ve gotten everything right. You just ignore what I’m saying.
> > A: How can you even prove I attempted? I didn’t. In fact, I read all about the updates to the ranking and matchmaking systems before I even decided to do this, so I understand the impact (none) it would have on other people when I did it…
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> So you intentionally tried to manipulate the system and just thought you were going to fail?
How on Earth did you get that from what I said? Here you go again using the word ‘intentionally’ when you just acknowledged that intent doesn’t matter. To answer your question, I did it because the updates to the ranking and matchmaking systems made it clear that this isn’t manipulation. If it is, then Menke lied straight to my face and nobody here should be held accountable.
> You’ve admitted to it just now and several times in this conversation. Matchmaking data was analyzed before your ban was enacted. The facts remain, even as you fail to spin them.
I haven’t admitted to anything. If what Menke said was true, the matchmaking data would support the claim that the deranker had no unfair effect on the matchmaking system or ranking system. If the data show the contrary, then Menke lied or was wrong and nobody here should be held accountable for that.
> You think you can prove a negative claim?
I can, and I did. I gave you a breakdown of how the matchmaking system works, examples of how it wasn’t unfair and didn’t affect the matchmaking system, direct quotes from the man in charge of the ranking system,and you haven’t disproved anything. Instead, you try to lecture me on moral truths when nothing immoral has happened, and I proved it.
> > . It’s all in my game history, but you don’t care to look that far before throwing accusations my way.
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> The same game history that was analyzed before your ban was handed out.
Either way, my game history exonerates me. It either supports or disproves Menke’s claims about the matchmaking system. But if it disproves Menke’s claims, I REFUSE to be held accountable for the error of an official employee of the company that banned me. I did the research before I did anything, and all I could do was take what Menke said to be the truth.
> I’m sure you want to believe that. Wanting to believe something doesn’t make it true.
It’s not a matter of wanting to believe anything. The facts prove I’m right. Menke, a 343 employee, said I’m right.
> You continue to clog the thread, eventually someone will get missed.
Most of the people here are here for being banned for 5 minutes for quitting too many games. If you want, I’ll answer them myself. It’s not that hard.
> You’ve already received a clear and definitive answer. You just don’t like the one you got and are now trying to get out of it by denying any culpability.
I don’t like the one I got because it isn’t valid. Yes, I’m denying culpability. If an offense were committed, it would be Menke’s fault for claiming to have fixed the problem I got banned for when it wasn’t fixed.