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> Do me next.
You’ve already gotten your answer you just don’t like it.
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> It does help my case. Unfortunately, you just don’t understand the matchmaking system.
My understanding of the ban system is as extensive as someone outside of 343/XBLE/microsoft is likely to get.
> It takes one game for the deranker’s MMR to be correctly updated. Even if there were millions of these accounts, the impact would still be negligible for that very reason.
‘Even if millions of people’s experiences were ruined it wouldn’t matter’
> In that one game, nobody ranks up either. Which rule does it violate? “No boosting?” It isn’t boosting because it doesn’t help anyone rank up for the same reason.
For example don’t;Manipulate game stats to increase or decrease your standing in a gameWhether it lasted one game or a thousand isn’t relevant.
> Yes it did. Again, the impact of a deranker is negligible, so deranking wouldn’t be considered a manipulation of the system by that logic.
By definition manipulating the matchmaking system is manipulating the matchmaking system. ‘But I only stole one thing’ isn’t a defense. ‘but they won’t even miss the thing I stole’ isn’t a defense.
> In order for there to be manipulation, someone would have to gain something right?
No. You can easily manipulate something without gaining anything. Did you even read what you wrote?
> Nobody in the fireteam of these derankers gains anything, so there’s no manipulation.
If you willingly entered a fireteam with one than it’s no different than being in a car when somebody knocks off the local 7-11.
> However, this would be a lot easier to prove if somebody could simply show me the data or evidence that was used to build a case against me. I’ve had no such luck with that yet, though.
Feel free to try and get that from XBLE, you’re not going to get it here.
> If there is no impact, there’s no manipulation of the system.
Even if I accept your statement that a single deranker’s impact is negligible.
- impact is not a required element of manipulation - Negligble impact is still impact.
> They’re not my terms,
You’re the one using them.
> and I’m not shifting their definitions either.
You’re trying to shift usages midsentence in some cases and ignore relevant parts of the usages when you think it’d benefit you.
> I used the dictionary definition of the word ‘negligible,’ which was the term Menke used. Negligible impact is impact not worth considering,
A single bad action in millions of games is negligible. 1000s of bad actions across millions of games, less so. If I give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not actually being dishonest you have no sense of scale or comprehension that ‘stealing is stealing’ whether it’s a negligble can of creamed corn or a less negligible 10,000 cans of pumpkin filling. Your actions had negative effects on the other people involved in your games. Sure, when you consider every halo 5 match that might be negligile, but ruining the experiences of a handful is still deserving of consequences.
> meaning it doesn’t benefit anyone and it doesn’t hurt anyone
No, that isn’t how anything works. You don’t just get to throw added non-sense on to a word.
> . Ask Menke this directly, he’ll agree.
I’m sure he has much better things to do than explain to you that A equals A.
> Please explain how it will have severe impact, though.
One: There is nothing requiring ‘severe impact’ for it to be against the rules or to have consequences. You don’t get to keep stealing till you hit a certain benchmark. There isn’t a magic line that you’re only guilty if you keep doing it till it hurts ‘x’ number of people.
Two: Ruining the experience of the people involved in the matches or attempting to.
> Unfortunately, that’s not an apt analogy for this situation because Menke’s ranking system is a little more complicated than a can of creamed corn (unless you really think of him that lowly).
Bad actions are bad actions.
> I didn’t manipulate the system because again, I got nothing out of it. That’s why I think this ban is unjust.
"I tried to steal the creamed corn, but they stopped me before I got out of the store.’ Still a thief even if you don’t get to keep the corn.
B isn’t a requirement of A.
> If there’s no manipulation of the system, there’s no reason for the ban.
A: Attempted manipulation would also be a reason for a ban.
B: There was manipulation even as you fruitlessly try to minimize it.
> I didn’t play improperly. Please take a look at my game history and you’ll see that. When I beat players with a deranker on my team, the system still treats it as if I beat them with the deranker on his main account.
By your claim you aided and were complicit in someone attempting to manipulate the system. Congrats. You may have been just sitting in the car, but when Kevin robbed the 7-11, you’re still the accomplice. Even if he forgot your slim jim. .
> What crime? Nobody’s fun was ruined by what I did, and that’s what I’ve been charged with.I’ve already explained how I didn’t manipulate the system, and Menke could tell you that too if you ask him. Also, thanks for the reminder, but I’m still confused about the ban system, and your reply hasn’t cleared anything up for me.
Not being willing to admit the light is on doesn’t make the room dark.
> On the original post it says you’re allowed to make a case, which is what I’m doing here. Nobody else is posting in this thread, and if they were, I’d agree with you. However, I highly doubt there are a whole lot of people out there with bans as long as mine so I’m obviously gonna have more to say about it.
So the other dozen posts or so are your socks then?
So having a longer ban means you get to prevent other people from getting answers?
You’ve stated your case, congrats. Feel free to have a look at XBLE if you want more data.
> > > a bit unrelated but since I’m banned from the arena playlists <mark>for being kicked for inactivity,</mark> is that ban permanent, if it’s not does anyone know how long it lasts?
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> > initial bans are short and they roughly double with subsequent infractions.
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> False. My initial ban was 135 days with no previous infractions. If you could explain how a 2 season ban for someone with no previous infractions is ‘just,’ I’d love to hear it.
Reading helps. Your ban was for manipulation of matchmaking by your own admission. Their ban was for idling. One is handled by XBLE, the other is handled by the autosystem. It isn’t all about you.
