The official Halo 5 "Why was I banned?" thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > 343 industries or whoever it concerns, stop banhammering people for backing out of a game lobby and quitting. It’s like you’re slapping them in the face. How you just going to tell people what to do with something they bought? Banhammering should be removed. You’re placing players in timeout just for leaving a game. That’s not fair. Not all of us are little kids. Stop trying to be Mommy and Daddy and control your player base. People pay for the game and you get a cut off the sales. There is no reason and no justification to this.
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> > The banhammer is absolutely justified. Every time you quit out of a game you are ruining the experience for those left playing the game. Every one of those players paid for the game just like you did and they don’t want to play short handed.
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> With all due respect sir/mam, the banhammer in my opinion isn’t the best way of handling the quitting situation (though I do agree that quitting can negatively impact other players experience) all I am saying is that there are better ways to go about handling the quitters such as matching repeat quitters with other repeat quitters until they improve their behavior.

That would have pretty much zero effect. The reason is everyone quits, so you would be right back to the same issue within one iteration.

There’s this fallacy that there’s a small group of the population responsible for most the quitting. That’s not true. It’s more like the other way around. There’s a tiny population of people who never quit. Everyone else quits.

They don’t quit every game, but every quitter you see is pretty much just an average player who randomly quit out of that particular game, but they don’t go on to quit after that.

So there’s no magical population of “repeat quitters” that you can force to match each other and thereby fix things. It won’t work.

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> > > > 343 industries or whoever it concerns, stop banhammering people for backing out of a game lobby and quitting. It’s like you’re slapping them in the face. How you just going to tell people what to do with something they bought? Banhammering should be removed. You’re placing players in timeout just for leaving a game. That’s not fair. Not all of us are little kids. Stop trying to be Mommy and Daddy and control your player base. People pay for the game and you get a cut off the sales. There is no reason and no justification to this.
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> > > The banhammer is absolutely justified. Every time you quit out of a game you are ruining the experience for those left playing the game. Every one of those players paid for the game just like you did and they don’t want to play short handed.
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> > With all due respect sir/mam, the banhammer in my opinion isn’t the best way of handling the quitting situation (though I do agree that quitting can negatively impact other players experience) all I am saying is that there are better ways to go about handling the quitters such as matching repeat quitters with other repeat quitters until they improve their behavior.
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> That would have pretty much zero effect. The reason is everyone quits, so you would be right back to the same issue within one iteration.
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> There’s this fallacy that there’s a small group of the population responsible for most the quitting. That’s not true. It’s more like the other way around. There’s a tiny population of people who never quit. Everyone else quits.
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> They don’t quit every game, but every quitter you see is pretty much just an average player who randomly quit out of that particular game, but they don’t go on to quit after that.
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> So there’s no magical population of “repeat quitters” that you can force to match each other and thereby fix things. It won’t work.

Okay, most people quit to some extent maybe like 5 games per every 100. But I am pretty sure there are those who quit far more often than that. Nothing is ever 100% one way or the other. Every thing in life is on a sliding scale and I feel like we should be penalising the worst offenders and maybe not sweating too much over the less severe ones.

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> > > > > 343 industries or whoever it concerns, stop banhammering people for backing out of a game lobby and quitting. It’s like you’re slapping them in the face. How you just going to tell people what to do with something they bought? Banhammering should be removed. You’re placing players in timeout just for leaving a game. That’s not fair. Not all of us are little kids. Stop trying to be Mommy and Daddy and control your player base. People pay for the game and you get a cut off the sales. There is no reason and no justification to this.
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> > > > The banhammer is absolutely justified. Every time you quit out of a game you are ruining the experience for those left playing the game. Every one of those players paid for the game just like you did and they don’t want to play short handed.
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> > > With all due respect sir/mam, the banhammer in my opinion isn’t the best way of handling the quitting situation (though I do agree that quitting can negatively impact other players experience) all I am saying is that there are better ways to go about handling the quitters such as matching repeat quitters with other repeat quitters until they improve their behavior.
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> > That would have pretty much zero effect. The reason is everyone quits, so you would be right back to the same issue within one iteration.
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> > There’s this fallacy that there’s a small group of the population responsible for most the quitting. That’s not true. It’s more like the other way around. There’s a tiny population of people who never quit. Everyone else quits.
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> > They don’t quit every game, but every quitter you see is pretty much just an average player who randomly quit out of that particular game, but they don’t go on to quit after that.
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> > So there’s no magical population of “repeat quitters” that you can force to match each other and thereby fix things. It won’t work.
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> Okay, most people quit to some extent maybe like 5 games per every 100. But I am pretty sure there are those who quit far more often than that. Nothing is ever 100% one way or the other. Every thing in life is on a sliding scale and I feel like we should be penalising the worst offenders and maybe not sweating too much over the less severe ones.

Penalizing only the worst offenders would have, again, zero impact on the quitting problem since it’s so tiny of a group.

Whereas “not sweating” the less severe ones results in higher quit rates. If there isn’t a punishment, the average player does it much much more often, leading to massive increases in terrible matches.

So, again, not effective.

There has to be consequences or people do it.

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> > > > > > 343 industries or whoever it concerns, stop banhammering people for backing out of a game lobby and quitting. It’s like you’re slapping them in the face. How you just going to tell people what to do with something they bought? Banhammering should be removed. You’re placing players in timeout just for leaving a game. That’s not fair. Not all of us are little kids. Stop trying to be Mommy and Daddy and control your player base. People pay for the game and you get a cut off the sales. There is no reason and no justification to this.
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> > > > > The banhammer is absolutely justified. Every time you quit out of a game you are ruining the experience for those left playing the game. Every one of those players paid for the game just like you did and they don’t want to play short handed.
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> > > > With all due respect sir/mam, the banhammer in my opinion isn’t the best way of handling the quitting situation (though I do agree that quitting can negatively impact other players experience) all I am saying is that there are better ways to go about handling the quitters such as matching repeat quitters with other repeat quitters until they improve their behavior.
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> > > That would have pretty much zero effect. The reason is everyone quits, so you would be right back to the same issue within one iteration.
> > >
> > > There’s this fallacy that there’s a small group of the population responsible for most the quitting. That’s not true. It’s more like the other way around. There’s a tiny population of people who never quit. Everyone else quits.
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> > > They don’t quit every game, but every quitter you see is pretty much just an average player who randomly quit out of that particular game, but they don’t go on to quit after that.
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> > > So there’s no magical population of “repeat quitters” that you can force to match each other and thereby fix things. It won’t work.
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> > Okay, most people quit to some extent maybe like 5 games per every 100. But I am pretty sure there are those who quit far more often than that. Nothing is ever 100% one way or the other. Every thing in life is on a sliding scale and I feel like we should be penalising the worst offenders and maybe not sweating too much over the less severe ones.
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> Penalizing only the worst offenders would have, again, zero impact on the quitting problem since it’s so tiny of a group.
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> Whereas “not sweating” the less severe ones results in higher quit rates. If there isn’t a punishment, the average player does it much much more often, leading to massive increases in terrible matches.
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> So, again, not effective.
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> There has to be consequences or people do it.

But even you have to admit that some people don’t really have the best internet or sometimes the servers go haywire. How is penalising someone for something like that right? It isn’t.

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So my son was playing on my account in he was shooting his gun and his team walked in front of him and so he ended up killing 3 people. Then a 4th one started shooting him. Now it shows I’m bannded from playing online can some please tell me why this happened. And how do I get unbanned. Thank you

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> So my son was playing on my account in he was shooting his gun and his team walked in front of him and so he ended up killing 3 people. Then a 4th one started shooting him. Now it shows I’m bannded from playing online can some please tell me why this happened. And how do I get unbanned. Thank you

How did he accidentally TK 3 people. You would have really had to unload on them to take out their shields let alone actually TK them. This sounds kinda fishy.

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> So my son was playing on my account in he was shooting his gun and his team walked in front of him and so he ended up killing 3 people. Then a 4th one started shooting him. Now it shows I’m bannded from playing online can some please tell me why this happened. And how do I get unbanned. Thank you

From this first page of this thread:

> I shouldn’t be banned. My brother/sister/cousin/dad/mom/friend must’ve logged on with my account and done bad things. Will you please reverse my ban?
> If this is indeed the case, we do understand your frustration. However, it is your sole responsibility to keep your account information secure and not share it with others who would abuse it. We have no way of detecting who is playing with your account, and if your gamertag is caught making naughty, you will be banned. Those are the rules.

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Alright. So I have been banned. For intentionally ruining the fun for others? I mean halo has been having issue kicking out players at matchmaking and its happened to me. But I haven’t left enough for a ban. Also I am getting 2 weeks ban?

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> > > > > > > 343 industries or whoever it concerns, stop banhammering people for backing out of a game lobby and quitting. It’s like you’re slapping them in the face. How you just going to tell people what to do with something they bought? Banhammering should be removed. You’re placing players in timeout just for leaving a game. That’s not fair. Not all of us are little kids. Stop trying to be Mommy and Daddy and control your player base. People pay for the game and you get a cut off the sales. There is no reason and no justification to this.
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> > > > > > The banhammer is absolutely justified. Every time you quit out of a game you are ruining the experience for those left playing the game. Every one of those players paid for the game just like you did and they don’t want to play short handed.
> > > > >
> > > > > With all due respect sir/mam, the banhammer in my opinion isn’t the best way of handling the quitting situation (though I do agree that quitting can negatively impact other players experience) all I am saying is that there are better ways to go about handling the quitters such as matching repeat quitters with other repeat quitters until they improve their behavior.
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> > > > That would have pretty much zero effect. The reason is everyone quits, so you would be right back to the same issue within one iteration.
> > > >
> > > > There’s this fallacy that there’s a small group of the population responsible for most the quitting. That’s not true. It’s more like the other way around. There’s a tiny population of people who never quit. Everyone else quits.
> > > >
> > > > They don’t quit every game, but every quitter you see is pretty much just an average player who randomly quit out of that particular game, but they don’t go on to quit after that.
> > > >
> > > > So there’s no magical population of “repeat quitters” that you can force to match each other and thereby fix things. It won’t work.
> > >
> > > Okay, most people quit to some extent maybe like 5 games per every 100. But I am pretty sure there are those who quit far more often than that. Nothing is ever 100% one way or the other. Every thing in life is on a sliding scale and I feel like we should be penalising the worst offenders and maybe not sweating too much over the less severe ones.
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> > Penalizing only the worst offenders would have, again, zero impact on the quitting problem since it’s so tiny of a group.
> >
> > Whereas “not sweating” the less severe ones results in higher quit rates. If there isn’t a punishment, the average player does it much much more often, leading to massive increases in terrible matches.
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> > So, again, not effective.
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> > There has to be consequences or people do it.
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> But even you have to admit that some people don’t really have the best internet or sometimes the servers go haywire. How is penalising someone for something like that right? It isn’t.

Wrong, it’s completely right.

A network disconnect and faking a network disconnect look the same to us. If we assumed network disconnects were innocent, everyone would do them whenever they quit to get around the ban rules. We’ve tried this before, and, like I’ve said, quit rates sky rocketed through fake disconnects.

Even worse, having a bad internet is just as damaging to other players as quitting intentionally. If your internet is that bad, you shouldn’t be playing until it’s fixed because you’re ruining the game at a 7:1 ratio, which is not acceptable.

So, again, we’ve tried and analyzed everything you’re mentioning and still feel this is the best solution overall at this time.

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> Alright. So I have been banned. For intentionally ruining the fun for others? I mean halo has been having issue kicking out players at matchmaking and its happened to me. But I haven’t left enough for a ban. Also I am getting 2 weeks ban?

That’s not why you would get a 2-week ban with that message. This looks like you were either deranking on one of your gamertags, or you were partying with someone else who was deranking. Both cases ruin the game for others.

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> > Alright. So I have been banned. For intentionally ruining the fun for others? I mean halo has been having issue kicking out players at matchmaking and its happened to me. But I haven’t left enough for a ban. Also I am getting 2 weeks ban?
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> That’s not why you would get a 2-week ban with that message. This looks like you were either deranking on one of your gamertags, or you were partying with someone else who was deranking. Both cases ruin the game for others.

I did make a couple of accounts but it was for my friend and my sister. I let them play on it. whenever they wanted. Sure they would “derank” because I would also play and show them how to play. But in that situation I wouldn’t think that would cause me to get banned. But in that situation why ban my main account? I mean I don’t care about those accounts. Since it was for them. They don’t have an Xbox.

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> > > Alright. So I have been banned. For intentionally ruining the fun for others? I mean halo has been having issue kicking out players at matchmaking and its happened to me. But I haven’t left enough for a ban. Also I am getting 2 weeks ban?
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> > That’s not why you would get a 2-week ban with that message. This looks like you were either deranking on one of your gamertags, or you were partying with someone else who was deranking. Both cases ruin the game for others.
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> I did make a couple of accounts but it was for my friend and my sister. I let them play on it. whenever they wanted. Sure they would “derank” because I would also play and show them how to play. But in that situation I wouldn’t think that would cause me to get banned. But in that situation why ban my main account? I mean I don’t care about those accounts. Since it was for them. They don’t have an Xbox.

I doubt that has anything to do with it since this was you in a Fireteam with a player. If they don’t have an Xbox, then you couldn’t party with them and this can’t really be related.

This is from you partying with a player who had just gone and thrown 25+ matches and then started playing “for real” with you in the FireTeam. When this happens, both the deranker and those in the deranker’s party will receive temp bans from the banning system for ruining the game for the players that the deranker allowed them to incorrectly play against.

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> > > > Alright. So I have been banned. For intentionally ruining the fun for others? I mean halo has been having issue kicking out players at matchmaking and its happened to me. But I haven’t left enough for a ban. Also I am getting 2 weeks ban?
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> > > That’s not why you would get a 2-week ban with that message. This looks like you were either deranking on one of your gamertags, or you were partying with someone else who was deranking. Both cases ruin the game for others.
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> > I did make a couple of accounts but it was for my friend and my sister. I let them play on it. whenever they wanted. Sure they would “derank” because I would also play and show them how to play. But in that situation I wouldn’t think that would cause me to get banned. But in that situation why ban my main account? I mean I don’t care about those accounts. Since it was for them. They don’t have an Xbox.
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> I doubt that has anything to do with it since this was you in a Fireteam with a player. If they don’t have an Xbox, then you couldn’t party with them and this can’t really be related.
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> This is from you partying with a player who had just gone and thrown 25+ matches and then started playing “for real” with you in the FireTeam. When this happens, both the deranker and those in the deranker’s party will receive temp bans from the banning system for ruining the game for the players that the deranker allowed them to incorrectly play against.

Wow. thats like 50% of the players I play with? I have friends who will get 0 kills unintentionally. because Halos ranking system isn’t exactly perfect. they match either with highly skilled players or the exact opposite. So I get penalized for my teammate? Does that make sense? I have been playing with what you call unskilled players and been trying to help them get better. So I am sure they are all playing “for real”. Not only that. What exactly is ruining the game for the players? that’s very questionable. I mean seriously theres only teamkills but I play Swat and some super fiesta so thats out the door since theres no teamkill. Suicides will automatically kick you out. Also how do I stop a player from “ruining the game for the players”?

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> > > > > Alright. So I have been banned. For intentionally ruining the fun for others? I mean halo has been having issue kicking out players at matchmaking and its happened to me. But I haven’t left enough for a ban. Also I am getting 2 weeks ban?
> > > >
> > > > That’s not why you would get a 2-week ban with that message. This looks like you were either deranking on one of your gamertags, or you were partying with someone else who was deranking. Both cases ruin the game for others.
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> > > I did make a couple of accounts but it was for my friend and my sister. I let them play on it. whenever they wanted. Sure they would “derank” because I would also play and show them how to play. But in that situation I wouldn’t think that would cause me to get banned. But in that situation why ban my main account? I mean I don’t care about those accounts. Since it was for them. They don’t have an Xbox.
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> > I doubt that has anything to do with it since this was you in a Fireteam with a player. If they don’t have an Xbox, then you couldn’t party with them and this can’t really be related.
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> > This is from you partying with a player who had just gone and thrown 25+ matches and then started playing “for real” with you in the FireTeam. When this happens, both the deranker and those in the deranker’s party will receive temp bans from the banning system for ruining the game for the players that the deranker allowed them to incorrectly play against.
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> Wow. thats like 50% of the players I play with? I have friends who will get 0 kills unintentionally. because Halos ranking system isn’t exactly perfect. they match either with highly skilled players or the exact opposite. So I get penalized for my teammate? Does that make sense? I have been playing with what you call unskilled players and been trying to help them get better. So I am sure they are all playing “for real”. Not only that. What exactly is ruining the game for the players? that’s very questionable. I mean seriously theres only teamkills but I play Swat and some super fiesta so thats out the door since theres no teamkill. Suicides will automatically kick you out. Also how do I stop a player from “ruining the game for the players”?

Uh, no, this is clearly not the occasional hard match causing low kill counts. The ban system compensates for unfair matches, so doing poorly because of an unfair match has nothing to do with this ban.

This is a player making a brand new alt, clearly throwing 25+ matches in a row with 0 or 1 kill only, and then dropping 25 kills against even BETTER opponents than their last 25 where they could only get 1 kill at most.

That is clearly a player that is intentionally throwing 25+ matches in order to get easier matches afterwards. This ruins the game for all 25*7= 175 other players in those matches the player threw.

That player then partied with you and another friend, resulting in a match that was much easier than it should have been because they have intentionally lowered their skill rating, but since that player was actually much better than their rating, they got 25 kills, and you and your friend also have a much easier match than you should have.

Which means the people you played against got destroyed when they should have gotten an easier match, which ruins the match for at least those 4+ players in that first match.

You did this for at least 1 other match, meaning at least 8 players had to play against much harder opponents than they should of had to.

This leads to higher quit rates and higher attrition – the players that experience this end up quitting out or they stop playing, all because your friend wanted unfairly easier matches.

None of which is acceptable.

Playing with bad friends who do poorly is absolutely fine.

Playing with friends who have intentionally thrown 25+ matches so they can -Yoink!- on noobs with you will get you and them banned every time.

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> > > > > > Alright. So I have been banned. For intentionally ruining the fun for others? I mean halo has been having issue kicking out players at matchmaking and its happened to me. But I haven’t left enough for a ban. Also I am getting 2 weeks ban?
> > > > >
> > > > > That’s not why you would get a 2-week ban with that message. This looks like you were either deranking on one of your gamertags, or you were partying with someone else who was deranking. Both cases ruin the game for others.
> > > >
> > > > I did make a couple of accounts but it was for my friend and my sister. I let them play on it. whenever they wanted. Sure they would “derank” because I would also play and show them how to play. But in that situation I wouldn’t think that would cause me to get banned. But in that situation why ban my main account? I mean I don’t care about those accounts. Since it was for them. They don’t have an Xbox.
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> > > I doubt that has anything to do with it since this was you in a Fireteam with a player. If they don’t have an Xbox, then you couldn’t party with them and this can’t really be related.
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> > > This is from you partying with a player who had just gone and thrown 25+ matches and then started playing “for real” with you in the FireTeam. When this happens, both the deranker and those in the deranker’s party will receive temp bans from the banning system for ruining the game for the players that the deranker allowed them to incorrectly play against.
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> > Wow. thats like 50% of the players I play with? I have friends who will get 0 kills unintentionally. because Halos ranking system isn’t exactly perfect. they match either with highly skilled players or the exact opposite. So I get penalized for my teammate? Does that make sense? I have been playing with what you call unskilled players and been trying to help them get better. So I am sure they are all playing “for real”. Not only that. What exactly is ruining the game for the players? that’s very questionable. I mean seriously theres only teamkills but I play Swat and some super fiesta so thats out the door since theres no teamkill. Suicides will automatically kick you out. Also how do I stop a player from “ruining the game for the players”?
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> Uh, no, this is clearly not the occasional hard match causing low kill counts. The ban system compensates for unfair matches, so doing poorly because of an unfair match has nothing to do with this ban.
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> This is a player making a brand new alt, clearly throwing 25+ matches in a row with 0 or 1 kill only, and then dropping 25 kills against even BETTER opponents than their last 25 where they could only get 1 kill at most.
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> That is clearly a player that is intentionally throwing 25+ matches in order to get easier matches afterwards. This ruins the game for all 25*7= 175 other players in those matches the player threw.
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> That player then partied with you and another friend, resulting in a match that was much easier than it should have been because they have intentionally lowered their skill rating, but since that player was actually much better than their rating, they got 25 kills, and you and your friend also have a much easier match than you should have.
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> Which means the people you played against got destroyed when they should have gotten an easier match, which ruins the match for at least those 4+ players in that first match.
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> You did this for at least 1 other match, meaning at least 8 players had to play against much harder opponents than they should of had to.
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> This leads to higher quit rates and higher attrition – the players that experience this end up quitting out or they stop playing, all because your friend wanted unfairly easier matches.
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> None of which is acceptable.
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> Playing with bad friends who do poorly is absolutely fine.
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> Playing with friends who have intentionally thrown 25+ matches so they can -Yoink!- on noobs with you will get you and them banned every time.

“You did this for at least 1 other match, meaning at least 8 players had to play against much harder opponents than they should of had to.” " So in your words you also claim. Bronze players can’t party up with onyx/champs cause that also lowers the skill level for the obvious high players. Also I am Supposedly my parties father or mother. So I am responsible for my parties action. I am out of control of how players perform—>“Playing with bad friends who do poorly is absolutely fine.” I am out of my control of what players perform -->“Playing with friends who have intentionally thrown 25+ matches”. I could tell them to stop doing poorly or “throwing” but thats also like telling them stop dying so much. Again Players choices not mine. You can’t penalize the party. But only the sole player who you assume is “ruining the fun for others”.
“This leads to higher quit rates and higher attrition – the players that experience this end up quitting out or they stop playing, all because your friend wanted unfairly easier matches.” To my experience what actually leads to higher quit rates and higher attrition is poor communication. Also Halo servers which again hasn’t been fixed and players are losing their interest. People leave all the time when losing. thats like 75% of the matches I played. Because they don’t want to lose rank or cause they rage.

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> > > > > > > Alright. So I have been banned. For intentionally ruining the fun for others? I mean halo has been having issue kicking out players at matchmaking and its happened to me. But I haven’t left enough for a ban. Also I am getting 2 weeks ban?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That’s not why you would get a 2-week ban with that message. This looks like you were either deranking on one of your gamertags, or you were partying with someone else who was deranking. Both cases ruin the game for others.
> > > > >
> > > > > I did make a couple of accounts but it was for my friend and my sister. I let them play on it. whenever they wanted. Sure they would “derank” because I would also play and show them how to play. But in that situation I wouldn’t think that would cause me to get banned. But in that situation why ban my main account? I mean I don’t care about those accounts. Since it was for them. They don’t have an Xbox.
> > > >
> > > > I doubt that has anything to do with it since this was you in a Fireteam with a player. If they don’t have an Xbox, then you couldn’t party with them and this can’t really be related.
> > > >
> > > > This is from you partying with a player who had just gone and thrown 25+ matches and then started playing “for real” with you in the FireTeam. When this happens, both the deranker and those in the deranker’s party will receive temp bans from the banning system for ruining the game for the players that the deranker allowed them to incorrectly play against.
> > >
> > > Wow. thats like 50% of the players I play with? I have friends who will get 0 kills unintentionally. because Halos ranking system isn’t exactly perfect. they match either with highly skilled players or the exact opposite. So I get penalized for my teammate? Does that make sense? I have been playing with what you call unskilled players and been trying to help them get better. So I am sure they are all playing “for real”. Not only that. What exactly is ruining the game for the players? that’s very questionable. I mean seriously theres only teamkills but I play Swat and some super fiesta so thats out the door since theres no teamkill. Suicides will automatically kick you out. Also how do I stop a player from “ruining the game for the players”?
> >
> > Uh, no, this is clearly not the occasional hard match causing low kill counts. The ban system compensates for unfair matches, so doing poorly because of an unfair match has nothing to do with this ban.
> >
> > This is a player making a brand new alt, clearly throwing 25+ matches in a row with 0 or 1 kill only, and then dropping 25 kills against even BETTER opponents than their last 25 where they could only get 1 kill at most.
> >
> > That is clearly a player that is intentionally throwing 25+ matches in order to get easier matches afterwards. This ruins the game for all 25*7= 175 other players in those matches the player threw.
> >
> > That player then partied with you and another friend, resulting in a match that was much easier than it should have been because they have intentionally lowered their skill rating, but since that player was actually much better than their rating, they got 25 kills, and you and your friend also have a much easier match than you should have.
> >
> > Which means the people you played against got destroyed when they should have gotten an easier match, which ruins the match for at least those 4+ players in that first match.
> >
> > You did this for at least 1 other match, meaning at least 8 players had to play against much harder opponents than they should of had to.
> >
> > This leads to higher quit rates and higher attrition – the players that experience this end up quitting out or they stop playing, all because your friend wanted unfairly easier matches.
> >
> > None of which is acceptable.
> >
> > Playing with bad friends who do poorly is absolutely fine.
> >
> > Playing with friends who have intentionally thrown 25+ matches so they can -Yoink!- on noobs with you will get you and them banned every time.
>
> “You did this for at least 1 other match, meaning at least 8 players had to play against much harder opponents than they should of had to.” " So in your words you also claim. Bronze players can’t party up with onyx/champs cause that also lowers the skill level for the obvious high players. Also I am Supposedly my parties father or mother. So I am responsible for my parties action. I am out of control of how players perform—>“Playing with bad friends who do poorly is absolutely fine.” I am out of my control of what players perform -->“Playing with friends who have intentionally thrown 25+ matches”. I could tell them to stop doing poorly or “throwing” but thats also like telling them stop dying so much. Again Players choices not mine. You can’t penalize the party. But only the sole player who you assume is “ruining the fun for others”.
> “This leads to higher quit rates and higher attrition – the players that experience this end up quitting out or they stop playing, all because your friend wanted unfairly easier matches.” To my experience what actually leads to higher quit rates and higher attrition is poor communication. Also Halo servers which again hasn’t been fixed and players are losing their interest. People leave all the time when losing. thats like 75% of the matches I played. Because they don’t want to lose rank or cause they rage.

I can barely read this.

But, no, truly Bronze players partying with onyx/champs is totally fine as long as those players are truly Bronze and play like Bronze players. That was NOT the case here, as already explained. A “fake” Bronze player partied with you and CLEARLY did not play like a Bronze player. They played like a Bronze for exactly 25ish matches, and from then on played clearly NOT Bronze. They were obviously NEVER Bronze and were faking it.

As to whether you are responsible for how your party behaves? Yes, you are. If you are an accessory to a crime, you will get the same or similar punishment. If you don’t like that, don’t play with people who do that.

Regardless of what you experience as to what causes attrition, it is a tiny fraction of biased data compared to the ridiculous amount of matches we’ve analyzed, and not enough to consider as data, it’s just feedback that we take with a grain of salt vs. your bias.

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> > > > > > > > Alright. So I have been banned. For intentionally ruining the fun for others? I mean halo has been having issue kicking out players at matchmaking and its happened to me. But I haven’t left enough for a ban. Also I am getting 2 weeks ban?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That’s not why you would get a 2-week ban with that message. This looks like you were either deranking on one of your gamertags, or you were partying with someone else who was deranking. Both cases ruin the game for others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did make a couple of accounts but it was for my friend and my sister. I let them play on it. whenever they wanted. Sure they would “derank” because I would also play and show them how to play. But in that situation I wouldn’t think that would cause me to get banned. But in that situation why ban my main account? I mean I don’t care about those accounts. Since it was for them. They don’t have an Xbox.
> > > > >
> > > > > I doubt that has anything to do with it since this was you in a Fireteam with a player. If they don’t have an Xbox, then you couldn’t party with them and this can’t really be related.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is from you partying with a player who had just gone and thrown 25+ matches and then started playing “for real” with you in the FireTeam. When this happens, both the deranker and those in the deranker’s party will receive temp bans from the banning system for ruining the game for the players that the deranker allowed them to incorrectly play against.
> > > >
> > > > Wow. thats like 50% of the players I play with? I have friends who will get 0 kills unintentionally. because Halos ranking system isn’t exactly perfect. they match either with highly skilled players or the exact opposite. So I get penalized for my teammate? Does that make sense? I have been playing with what you call unskilled players and been trying to help them get better. So I am sure they are all playing “for real”. Not only that. What exactly is ruining the game for the players? that’s very questionable. I mean seriously theres only teamkills but I play Swat and some super fiesta so thats out the door since theres no teamkill. Suicides will automatically kick you out. Also how do I stop a player from “ruining the game for the players”?
> > >
> > > Uh, no, this is clearly not the occasional hard match causing low kill counts. The ban system compensates for unfair matches, so doing poorly because of an unfair match has nothing to do with this ban.
> > >
> > > This is a player making a brand new alt, clearly throwing 25+ matches in a row with 0 or 1 kill only, and then dropping 25 kills against even BETTER opponents than their last 25 where they could only get 1 kill at most.
> > >
> > > That is clearly a player that is intentionally throwing 25+ matches in order to get easier matches afterwards. This ruins the game for all 25*7= 175 other players in those matches the player threw.
> > >
> > > That player then partied with you and another friend, resulting in a match that was much easier than it should have been because they have intentionally lowered their skill rating, but since that player was actually much better than their rating, they got 25 kills, and you and your friend also have a much easier match than you should have.
> > >
> > > Which means the people you played against got destroyed when they should have gotten an easier match, which ruins the match for at least those 4+ players in that first match.
> > >
> > > You did this for at least 1 other match, meaning at least 8 players had to play against much harder opponents than they should of had to.
> > >
> > > This leads to higher quit rates and higher attrition – the players that experience this end up quitting out or they stop playing, all because your friend wanted unfairly easier matches.
> > >
> > > None of which is acceptable.
> > >
> > > Playing with bad friends who do poorly is absolutely fine.
> > >
> > > Playing with friends who have intentionally thrown 25+ matches so they can -Yoink!- on noobs with you will get you and them banned every time.
> >
> > “You did this for at least 1 other match, meaning at least 8 players had to play against much harder opponents than they should of had to.” " So in your words you also claim. Bronze players can’t party up with onyx/champs cause that also lowers the skill level for the obvious high players. Also I am Supposedly my parties father or mother. So I am responsible for my parties action. I am out of control of how players perform—>“Playing with bad friends who do poorly is absolutely fine.” I am out of my control of what players perform -->“Playing with friends who have intentionally thrown 25+ matches”. I could tell them to stop doing poorly or “throwing” but thats also like telling them stop dying so much. Again Players choices not mine. You can’t penalize the party. But only the sole player who you assume is “ruining the fun for others”.
> > “This leads to higher quit rates and higher attrition – the players that experience this end up quitting out or they stop playing, all because your friend wanted unfairly easier matches.” To my experience what actually leads to higher quit rates and higher attrition is poor communication. Also Halo servers which again hasn’t been fixed and players are losing their interest. People leave all the time when losing. thats like 75% of the matches I played. Because they don’t want to lose rank or cause they rage.
>
> I can barely read this.
>
> But, no, truly Bronze players partying with onyx/champs is totally fine as long as those players are truly Bronze and play like Bronze players. That was NOT the case here, as already explained. A “fake” Bronze player partied with you and CLEARLY did not play like a Bronze player. They played like a Bronze for exactly 25ish matches, and from then on played clearly NOT Bronze. They were obviously NEVER Bronze and were faking it.
>
> As to whether you are responsible for how your party behaves? Yes, you are. If you are an accessory to a crime, you will get the same or similar punishment. If you don’t like that, don’t play with people who do that.
>
> Regardless of what you experience as to what causes attrition, it is a tiny fraction of biased data compared to the ridiculous amount of matches we’ve analyzed, and not enough to consider as data, it’s just feedback that we take with a grain of salt vs. your bias.

“As to whether you are responsible for how your party behaves? Yes, you are. If you are an accessory to a crime, you will get the same or similar punishment. If you don’t like that, don’t play with people who do that.”

I am glad you said that haha. So in this case we are not talking about murder. So it would be you are in a car and your friend had weed. You can’t be charged with the crime. Even if its 3 people who had it. You walk free and only the responsible people are accounted for. Regardless if you knew or not. Because you are not responsible for their actions. See and that’s what I am saying.

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> > > > > > > > > Alright. So I have been banned. For intentionally ruining the fun for others? I mean halo has been having issue kicking out players at matchmaking and its happened to me. But I haven’t left enough for a ban. Also I am getting 2 weeks ban?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That’s not why you would get a 2-week ban with that message. This looks like you were either deranking on one of your gamertags, or you were partying with someone else who was deranking. Both cases ruin the game for others.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I did make a couple of accounts but it was for my friend and my sister. I let them play on it. whenever they wanted. Sure they would “derank” because I would also play and show them how to play. But in that situation I wouldn’t think that would cause me to get banned. But in that situation why ban my main account? I mean I don’t care about those accounts. Since it was for them. They don’t have an Xbox.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I doubt that has anything to do with it since this was you in a Fireteam with a player. If they don’t have an Xbox, then you couldn’t party with them and this can’t really be related.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is from you partying with a player who had just gone and thrown 25+ matches and then started playing “for real” with you in the FireTeam. When this happens, both the deranker and those in the deranker’s party will receive temp bans from the banning system for ruining the game for the players that the deranker allowed them to incorrectly play against.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wow. thats like 50% of the players I play with? I have friends who will get 0 kills unintentionally. because Halos ranking system isn’t exactly perfect. they match either with highly skilled players or the exact opposite. So I get penalized for my teammate? Does that make sense? I have been playing with what you call unskilled players and been trying to help them get better. So I am sure they are all playing “for real”. Not only that. What exactly is ruining the game for the players? that’s very questionable. I mean seriously theres only teamkills but I play Swat and some super fiesta so thats out the door since theres no teamkill. Suicides will automatically kick you out. Also how do I stop a player from “ruining the game for the players”?
> > > >
> > > > Uh, no, this is clearly not the occasional hard match causing low kill counts. The ban system compensates for unfair matches, so doing poorly because of an unfair match has nothing to do with this ban.
> > > >
> > > > This is a player making a brand new alt, clearly throwing 25+ matches in a row with 0 or 1 kill only, and then dropping 25 kills against even BETTER opponents than their last 25 where they could only get 1 kill at most.
> > > >
> > > > That is clearly a player that is intentionally throwing 25+ matches in order to get easier matches afterwards. This ruins the game for all 25*7= 175 other players in those matches the player threw.
> > > >
> > > > That player then partied with you and another friend, resulting in a match that was much easier than it should have been because they have intentionally lowered their skill rating, but since that player was actually much better than their rating, they got 25 kills, and you and your friend also have a much easier match than you should have.
> > > >
> > > > Which means the people you played against got destroyed when they should have gotten an easier match, which ruins the match for at least those 4+ players in that first match.
> > > >
> > > > You did this for at least 1 other match, meaning at least 8 players had to play against much harder opponents than they should of had to.
> > > >
> > > > This leads to higher quit rates and higher attrition – the players that experience this end up quitting out or they stop playing, all because your friend wanted unfairly easier matches.
> > > >
> > > > None of which is acceptable.
> > > >
> > > > Playing with bad friends who do poorly is absolutely fine.
> > > >
> > > > Playing with friends who have intentionally thrown 25+ matches so they can -Yoink!- on noobs with you will get you and them banned every time.
> > >
> > > “You did this for at least 1 other match, meaning at least 8 players had to play against much harder opponents than they should of had to.” " So in your words you also claim. Bronze players can’t party up with onyx/champs cause that also lowers the skill level for the obvious high players. Also I am Supposedly my parties father or mother. So I am responsible for my parties action. I am out of control of how players perform—>“Playing with bad friends who do poorly is absolutely fine.” I am out of my control of what players perform -->“Playing with friends who have intentionally thrown 25+ matches”. I could tell them to stop doing poorly or “throwing” but thats also like telling them stop dying so much. Again Players choices not mine. You can’t penalize the party. But only the sole player who you assume is “ruining the fun for others”.
> > > “This leads to higher quit rates and higher attrition – the players that experience this end up quitting out or they stop playing, all because your friend wanted unfairly easier matches.” To my experience what actually leads to higher quit rates and higher attrition is poor communication. Also Halo servers which again hasn’t been fixed and players are losing their interest. People leave all the time when losing. thats like 75% of the matches I played. Because they don’t want to lose rank or cause they rage.
> >
> > I can barely read this.
> >
> > But, no, truly Bronze players partying with onyx/champs is totally fine as long as those players are truly Bronze and play like Bronze players. That was NOT the case here, as already explained. A “fake” Bronze player partied with you and CLEARLY did not play like a Bronze player. They played like a Bronze for exactly 25ish matches, and from then on played clearly NOT Bronze. They were obviously NEVER Bronze and were faking it.
> >
> > As to whether you are responsible for how your party behaves? Yes, you are. If you are an accessory to a crime, you will get the same or similar punishment. If you don’t like that, don’t play with people who do that.
> >
> > Regardless of what you experience as to what causes attrition, it is a tiny fraction of biased data compared to the ridiculous amount of matches we’ve analyzed, and not enough to consider as data, it’s just feedback that we take with a grain of salt vs. your bias.
>
> “As to whether you are responsible for how your party behaves? Yes, you are. If you are an accessory to a crime, you will get the same or similar punishment. If you don’t like that, don’t play with people who do that.”
>
> I am glad you said that haha. So in this case we are not talking about murder. So it would be you are in a car and your friend had weed. You can’t be charged with the crime. Even if its 3 people who had it. You walk free and only the responsible people are accounted for. Regardless if you knew or not. Because you are not responsible for their actions. See and that’s what I am saying.

Except it’s not like that because you ruined the game for other players, so you did hurt others, whereas your friend in the car with weed did not.

In this case, because your friend smurfed, you yourself played against much easier players than you should have, and you yourself aided and abetted in ruining their games. So you also get banned.

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> I just received a two week ban for supposedly idleing in matches.
> I do not idle in matches.
> However my internet connection is not the greatest and I recall a few match’s I was removed from do to lost connection.
> Personally if you guys honestly think your banhammer is so perfected to the point that it bans everyone fairly and justly, then you are completely incognizant of the fact that NOTHING is perfect.
> I can’t afford higher speed internet but I choose to buy your games because I have been a fan for many years.
> However over the course of these years your restrictions and police like attitude is ruining your games, and is extremely disappointing to see from what used to be a great franchise.
> Anyway as I expect nothing less then my voice getting completely ignored from another money hungry corporation I’ve decided to never purchase another 343 game and will actively voice that opinion to the gaming community.
> Hopefully one day games will be good again.
> Your company has had many opportunities to improve but doesn’t. To you it’s about control and manipulating gamers to buy into your schemes, no split screen multiplayer? Requisition packs for money? You may continue to make money from your games but it does not mean the gaming community that made you what you are now respects you whatsoever.

I hope you realize that anyone can see your game history and easily prove you wrong. Warzone firefight , I quit counting at 10 games where you had zero kills, zero assists, zero deaths. You were idling.