Ayer se trató de jugar al halo 5 y me ofrecieron una suspensión de 175 días debido a esto:
“Usted se ha enfriado de la arena para crear intencionalmente arruinar la diversión del juego para otros jugadores”
No entiendo por qué, si no ofendo a nadie, no abandono los juegos y hago buenos resultados. ¡Ayuda!
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> Ayer se trató de jugar al halo 5 y me ofrecieron una suspensión de 175 días debido a esto:
> “Usted se ha enfriado de la arena para crear intencionalmente arruinar la diversión del juego para otros jugadores”
> No entiendo por qué, si no ofendo a nadie, no abandono los juegos y hago buenos resultados. ¡Ayuda!
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> Ayer se trató de jugar al halo 5 y me ofrecieron una suspensión de 175 días debido a esto:
> “Usted se ha enfriado de la arena para crear intencionalmente arruinar la diversión del juego para otros jugadores”
> No entiendo por qué, si no ofendo a nadie, no abandono los juegos y hago buenos resultados. ¡Ayuda!
An account associated with your console was very obviously both manipulating matchmaking and boosting a teammate.
ZaedynFel hello there!
My brother, Yourejustbetter has just told me he has been hit with the same 175 day ban. I’m fully expecting to go home and have it on my account too since his xbox is my home xbox.
Being totally frank with you, he has been making bronze accounts to get games with.
Here in the UK it has been getting hard to find games (up to an hour searching!) on legit high onyx/champ accounts in doubles and we found that having a newly ranked account sped the process up and meant we could find games (roughly at a diamond level which didn’t feel too bad). It snowballed from there and here we are. I don’t mean for this explanation to excuse anything, I just wanted to share the thought process.
Now I understand that smurfing is, and should be, punishable. But is it not protocol to issue an initial ban of 14 days first? Instead of just getting slapped with a full 175 days?
Seems a rather large ban for a first offense all things considered?
Hope you understand the logic behind the actions at the very least. Would be a shame to not be able to play for a good chunk of a year after playing regularly most days!
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> ZaedynFel hello there!
>
> My brother, YoureJustBetter has just told me he has been hit with the same 175 day ban. I’m fully expecting to go home and have it on my account too since his xbox is my home xbox.
>
> Being totally frank with you, he has been making bronze accounts to get games with.
>
> Here in the UK it has been getting hard to find games (up to an hour searching!) on legit high onyx/champ accounts in doubles and we found that having a newly ranked account sped the process up and meant we could find games (roughly at a diamond level which didn’t feel too bad). It snowballed from there and here we are. I don’t mean for this explanation to excuse anything, I just wanted to share the thought process.
>
> Now I understand that smurfing is, and should be, punishable. But is it not protocol to issue an initial ban of 14 days first? Instead of just getting slapped with a full 175 days?
>
> Seems a rather large ban for a first offense all things considered?
>
> Hope you understand the logic behind the actions at the very least. Would be a shame to not be able to play for a good chunk of a year after playing regularly most days!
You hold your brother responsible for handling the system. But on your history it is obvious that you are doing the same thing. You play with a friend who has done deranking (bronze). Like him, you deserve punishment. You have spoiled the fun of other players for easily access a rank you do not deserve. And before you ban for 175 days, you had a 14 days ban.
Now you have two solutions. Either you wait 175 days, or you buy a new xbox.
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> > 2533274815639419;5331:
> > ZaedynFel hello there!
> >
> > My brother, YoureJustBetter has just told me he has been hit with the same 175 day ban. I’m fully expecting to go home and have it on my account too since his xbox is my home xbox.
> >
> > Being totally frank with you, he has been making bronze accounts to get games with.
> >
> > Here in the UK it has been getting hard to find games (up to an hour searching!) on legit high onyx/champ accounts in doubles and we found that having a newly ranked account sped the process up and meant we could find games (roughly at a diamond level which didn’t feel too bad). It snowballed from there and here we are. I don’t mean for this explanation to excuse anything, I just wanted to share the thought process.
> >
> > Now I understand that smurfing is, and should be, punishable. But is it not protocol to issue an initial ban of 14 days first? Instead of just getting slapped with a full 175 days?
> >
> > Seems a rather large ban for a first offense all things considered?
> >
> > Hope you understand the logic behind the actions at the very least. Would be a shame to not be able to play for a good chunk of a year after playing regularly most days!
>
> You hold your brother responsible for handling the system. But on your history it is obvious that you are doing the same thing. You play with a friend who has done deranking (bronze). Like him, you deserve punishment. You have spoiled the fun of other players for easily access a rank you do not deserve. And before you ban for 175 days, you had a 14 days ban.
> Now you have two solutions. Either you wait 175 days, or you buy a new xbox.
Hey friend, that’s actually incorrect. I implore you to actually read my post.
Firstly, I don’t hold him responsible for the system.
I don’t attempt to deny culpability in any point of my post.
I quite clearly state that I played games with him! We did this in an attempt to actually GET matches which was otherwise proving difficult.
Secondly, you are wrong again. I have never received a ban of any length, other than a 10 minute matchmaking ban for quitting here or there. I have never had the 14 day ban you claim I have had.
The main point of my post is explaining the actions we took. This involved making new accounts to try circumvent long matchmaking times. This was not an exercise in inflating ranks pointlessly. You can tell that from game histories stopping arbitrarily and not just once a suitable rank was hit.
Just to close, I am making no attempt to feign innocence here. I would just like to have a discussion with an actual admin if that’s possible to talk about why the ban is so long.
As I say, we both play halo daily and this large ban has somewhat come out of the woodwork. I’d happily take a lesser ban and a chat with some sort of admin if that’s possible.
Thanks though Frenezy, I appreciate you trying to defend this community.
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> > 2533274815639419;5331:
> > ZaedynFel hello there!
> >
> > My brother, YoureJustBetter has just told me he has been hit with the same 175 day ban. I’m fully expecting to go home and have it on my account too since his xbox is my home xbox.
> >
> > Being totally frank with you, he has been making bronze accounts to get games with.
> >
> > Here in the UK it has been getting hard to find games (up to an hour searching!) on legit high onyx/champ accounts in doubles and we found that having a newly ranked account sped the process up and meant we could find games (roughly at a diamond level which didn’t feel too bad). It snowballed from there and here we are. I don’t mean for this explanation to excuse anything, I just wanted to share the thought process.
> >
> > Now I understand that smurfing is, and should be, punishable. But is it not protocol to issue an initial ban of 14 days first? Instead of just getting slapped with a full 175 days?
> >
> > Seems a rather large ban for a first offense all things considered?
> >
> > Hope you understand the logic behind the actions at the very least. Would be a shame to not be able to play for a good chunk of a year after playing regularly most days!
>
> You hold your brother responsible for handling the system. But on your history it is obvious that you are doing the same thing. You play with a friend who has done deranking (bronze). Like him, you deserve punishment. You have spoiled the fun of other players for easily access a rank you do not deserve. And before you ban for 175 days, you had a 14 days ban.
> Now you have two solutions. Either you wait 175 days, or you buy a new xbox.
Hi, the friend he played with was also me. This was done simply to be able to find games. If you check my game history for my 10 placement games you will see that we have versed and won against champion players but as soon as I was ranked we were playing against lesser ranked players. If you scroll far enough through The Gunderdog’s history for last season you will find us both playing on our mains until the Gunderdog hit champion rank. After this we could no longer find a game and this started the new smurf accounts. Which you will also be able to see by looking through any doubles games in the previous seasons. These smurf accounts we did has only started from the back end of the last season when we struggled to find games. A statistic was posted that 120 000 main accounts were currently on halo 5 and 240 000 were smurf accounts. If these smurf accounts have also received the same ban that we have then it is understandable why it has become such a problem for higher ranked players to get games… Because the majority of the population is currently banned… I say majority because I didn’t see a statistic of what ranks are and aren’t being banned. As in players below platinum won’t have a reason to make a smurf account if that makes sense. So the ranks we would likely match (high diamond to champion) are banned currently, making it harder for us to find games to play. We played champions in my placement games and come out with a win. We prefer a 25-22 games over a 25-4 game but we can’t get those games due to the population size and what I assume is higher ranked players being currently banned. We fully agree that a ban is acceptable for ruining other players fun. But we feel a 175 day ban is a bit excessive when we are trying to just play. We will happily take them removing our rank and stopping us from obtaining a champion rank as long as it means we are able to play the game. Unfortunately doubles is only in the ranked playlist and even in social it had a hidden rank. Making a new account the only way for us to find games. Again, we agree that we should have a punishment for our actions. We just feel that 175 days is excessive when only trying to get games. Personally I knew nothing of this ban until I was hit with it and then the gunderdog went searching online to find out why and we came across this thread.
The banning system will usually ban 14 days, except in the case of a players on the leaderboards (Champs) it will ban for the current and next season.
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> The banning system will usually ban 14 days, except in the case of a players on the leaderboards (Champs) it will ban for the current and next season.
Thanks for the clarification, however as that is a rather hefty 175 days, do you think there is anything you can do?
Staring down the barrel of no Halo 5 till the 2nd of September (for daily H5 players)… does the punishment fit the crime?
Shame that it happens to champs, I honestly couldn’t care less what rank it gives me, we just wanted to find games!
Cheers!
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> The banning system will usually ban 14 days, except in the case of a players on the leaderboards (Champs) it will ban for the current and next season.
I understand this, but do you not see that it is becoming harder and harder for players to find games? The statistics released showed that 240 000 accounts were smurfs and 120 000 were main accounts. Which means the higher ranks are vastly making new accounts just to be able to find games. A small majority may do it for the leaderboards and I understand that. But champion last season was around onyx 1750 which is very low for champion and this season on my ban I was onyx 1510 due to it being the start of the season which put me into champion. This is very very low onyx but we both got hit with 175 days just due to hitting champion rank. My placement games were against champions so I didn’t have an easy run to getting ranked and at the time of the ban we had played 17 games on my account to achieve that rank. We are trying to offer feedback to why higher ranked players are making these new accounts (admittedly there will be some players doing it for leaderboards) and now they are getting banned making the higher ranked population lower, making it harder again to find games. The back end of last season and start of this season is when we felt we needed these accounts just to find games which can be seen through the Gunderdog’s game history as we always played on mains until last season. The reply you gave is explaining why we got the ban and I understand that. Smurfing was a problem and needed to be solved which honestly I applaud you for… but with the state of halo 5s population now for higher ranks I’m sure you can see why the community is feeling the need to make these accounts to be able to get games. We would like a discussion about this please. We did ruin the fun of other players and I get that. But we were also unable to have fun because we couldn’t find games and with no feedback or solutions to this the community had taking it upon themselves to find one. This lead to making low ranked accounts. We just would like to be seen as people and not a number/statistic so you can understand the reasoning behind the actions. Lowering the search skill level as in champ can match to diamond 1 would be a simple solution for this. As I stated, last season onyx 1750 was around champ which isn’t too high and will be what diamonds are aiming to achieve and wouldn’t be much different from myself matching a pro player in skill difference. I’m not a pro player. Not at all. But playing against them helped me learn and improve
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> > The banning system will usually ban 14 days, except in the case of a players on the leaderboards (Champs) it will ban for the current and next season.
>
> I understand this, but do you not see that it is becoming harder and harder for players to find games? The statistics released showed that 240 000 accounts were smurfs and 120 000 were main accounts. Which means the higher ranks are vastly making new accounts just to be able to find games. A small majority may do it for the leaderboards and I understand that. But champion last season was around onyx 1750 which is very low for champion and this season on my ban I was onyx 1510 due to it being the start of the season which put me into champion. This is very very low onyx but we both got hit with 175 days just due to hitting champion rank. My placement games were against champions so I didn’t have an easy run to getting ranked and at the time of the ban we had played 17 games on my account to achieve that rank. We are trying to offer feedback to why higher ranked players are making these new accounts (admittedly there will be some players doing it for leaderboards) and now they are getting banned making the higher ranked population lower, making it harder again to find games. The back end of last season and start of this season is when we felt we needed these accounts just to find games which can be seen through the Gunderdog’s game history as we always played on mains until last season. The reply you gave is explaining why we got the ban and I understand that. Smurfing was a problem and needed to be solved which honestly I applaud you for… but with the state of halo 5s population now for higher ranks I’m sure you can see why the community is feeling the need to make these accounts to be able to get games. We would like a discussion about this please. We did ruin the fun of other players and I get that. But we were also unable to have fun because we couldn’t find games and with no feedback or solutions to this the community had taking it upon themselves to find one. This lead to making low ranked accounts. We just would like to be seen as people and not a number/statistic so you can understand the reasoning behind the actions. Lowering the search skill level as in champ can match to diamond 1 would be a simple solution for this. As I stated, last season onyx 1750 was around champ which isn’t too high and will be what diamonds are aiming to achieve and wouldn’t be much different from myself matching a pro player in skill difference. I’m not a pro player. Not at all. But playing against them helped me learn and improve
Where are you getting your smurfing statistics? I’m not familiar with those numbers and they don’t look anywhere near accurate to me.
I understand your frustration at finding games, though you will find them fine if you search solo for the most part. But either way, as you stated, that doesn’t justify the offense.
We recently went through each playlist with a fine-tooth comb to see if we could expand the search parameters. In Doubles, we roughly doubled the previous width just yesterday.
But that’s about as far as we can go in Doubles because Doubles players are extremely sensitive to the skill gap.
Below is a graph of the chance a single player will quit given the skill gap for Doubles. Notice that a gap of only 3 raw MMR results in a 68% chance that one of the players will quit, or a 100% chance that at least one of them will quit, and 36% chance the other will too. That would completely ruin any doubles match.
So we can’t go looser than we do now without allowing meaningless matches.
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> > > The banning system will usually ban 14 days, except in the case of a players on the leaderboards (Champs) it will ban for the current and next season.
> >
> > I understand this, but do you not see that it is becoming harder and harder for players to find games? The statistics released showed that 240 000 accounts were smurfs and 120 000 were main accounts. Which means the higher ranks are vastly making new accounts just to be able to find games. A small majority may do it for the leaderboards and I understand that. But champion last season was around onyx 1750 which is very low for champion and this season on my ban I was onyx 1510 due to it being the start of the season which put me into champion. This is very very low onyx but we both got hit with 175 days just due to hitting champion rank. My placement games were against champions so I didn’t have an easy run to getting ranked and at the time of the ban we had played 17 games on my account to achieve that rank. We are trying to offer feedback to why higher ranked players are making these new accounts (admittedly there will be some players doing it for leaderboards) and now they are getting banned making the higher ranked population lower, making it harder again to find games. The back end of last season and start of this season is when we felt we needed these accounts just to find games which can be seen through the Gunderdog’s game history as we always played on mains until last season. The reply you gave is explaining why we got the ban and I understand that. Smurfing was a problem and needed to be solved which honestly I applaud you for… but with the state of halo 5s population now for higher ranks I’m sure you can see why the community is feeling the need to make these accounts to be able to get games. We would like a discussion about this please. We did ruin the fun of other players and I get that. But we were also unable to have fun because we couldn’t find games and with no feedback or solutions to this the community had taking it upon themselves to find one. This lead to making low ranked accounts. We just would like to be seen as people and not a number/statistic so you can understand the reasoning behind the actions. Lowering the search skill level as in champ can match to diamond 1 would be a simple solution for this. As I stated, last season onyx 1750 was around champ which isn’t too high and will be what diamonds are aiming to achieve and wouldn’t be much different from myself matching a pro player in skill difference. I’m not a pro player. Not at all. But playing against them helped me learn and improve
>
> Where are you getting your smurfing statistics? I’m not familiar with those numbers and they don’t look anywhere near accurate to me.
>
> I understand your frustration at finding games, though you will find them fine if you search solo for the most part. But either way, as you stated, that doesn’t justify the offense.
>
> We recently went through each playlist with a fine-tooth comb to see if we could expand the search parameters. In Doubles, we roughly doubled the previous width just yesterday.
>
> But that’s about as far as we can go in Doubles because Doubles players are extremely sensitive to the skill gap.
>
> Below is a graph of the chance a single player will quit given the skill gap for Doubles. Notice that a gap of only 3 raw MMR results in a 68% chance that one of the players will quit, or a 100% chance that at least one of them will quit, and 36% chance the other will too. That would completely ruin any doubles match.
>
> So we can’t go looser than we do now without allowing meaningless matches.
The statistics I found while searching online (admittedly I didn’t check how authentic they were) and if I come across them again I will link it to this thread.
Unfortunately the changes that you say have been made to searches in doubles were done on the day we noticed our bans and we hadn’t seen or heard anything about these changes coming to the playlist until now as I read your reply. Meaning we had no way of knowing the problem was even being looked into. (Unless there is a seperate site/page with these tweaks that I am unaware of?) Meaning if I’m being 100% honest, I would still have felt the need to make those accounts to find games. I feel there’s a lack of communication about these changes and bans between the company and community without the community having to know about certain threads/sites to be able to find out the information?
From seeing the graph I can understand why you’re unable to drop the skill gap for searches. This graph is based for solo searches if I’m not mistaken? Is it a similar graph if a team matched a team with a skill gap dropped? Or was this graph including players in teams too? Personally I’ve stayed in a game where I’ve been thumped at 25-5.
It just seems counter productive to search and play halo 5 as a solo when it is more enjoyable with a friend. Especially doubles. Maybe a social doubles playlist that is near exact to the ranked one but lowering the hidden rank search gap? Halo reach and halo 4 both worked on a no skill search and I’ve had many fun games on there without a rank even being shown. Which shows that in a social playlist it could still work? This will mean players unable to get games in ranked didn’t have to look for other alternative ways to find games as they could just move to social before going back and trying to search again.
It just feels that a 175 day ban is excessive when we haven’t seen anywhere that explains what we can do to get games until we got hit by the ban and found out we could talk with people such as yourself for information. The day of our ban is when you say there has been a change in searches for doubles which again we had no way of knowing about (that I’m aware of) and searching solo seems to be the best solution for getting games which to me isn’t what halo has ever been about unless it was halo 3 where it matched team sizes against similar team sizes.
The graph is the quit rate of any player.
If you only look at solo players it’s about the same.
If you only look at duo players, it drops to 50%, which is still too high (pretty much 100% chance one of the two quits, or 50% chance they both quit).
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> > > The banning system will usually ban 14 days, except in the case of a players on the leaderboards (Champs) it will ban for the current and next season.
> >
> > I understand this, but do you not see that it is becoming harder and harder for players to find games? The statistics released showed that 240 000 accounts were smurfs and 120 000 were main accounts. Which means the higher ranks are vastly making new accounts just to be able to find games. A small majority may do it for the leaderboards and I understand that. But champion last season was around onyx 1750 which is very low for champion and this season on my ban I was onyx 1510 due to it being the start of the season which put me into champion. This is very very low onyx but we both got hit with 175 days just due to hitting champion rank. My placement games were against champions so I didn’t have an easy run to getting ranked and at the time of the ban we had played 17 games on my account to achieve that rank. We are trying to offer feedback to why higher ranked players are making these new accounts (admittedly there will be some players doing it for leaderboards) and now they are getting banned making the higher ranked population lower, making it harder again to find games. The back end of last season and start of this season is when we felt we needed these accounts just to find games which can be seen through the Gunderdog’s game history as we always played on mains until last season. The reply you gave is explaining why we got the ban and I understand that. Smurfing was a problem and needed to be solved which honestly I applaud you for… but with the state of halo 5s population now for higher ranks I’m sure you can see why the community is feeling the need to make these accounts to be able to get games. We would like a discussion about this please. We did ruin the fun of other players and I get that. But we were also unable to have fun because we couldn’t find games and with no feedback or solutions to this the community had taking it upon themselves to find one. This lead to making low ranked accounts. We just would like to be seen as people and not a number/statistic so you can understand the reasoning behind the actions. Lowering the search skill level as in champ can match to diamond 1 would be a simple solution for this. As I stated, last season onyx 1750 was around champ which isn’t too high and will be what diamonds are aiming to achieve and wouldn’t be much different from myself matching a pro player in skill difference. I’m not a pro player. Not at all. But playing against them helped me learn and improve
>
> Where are you getting your smurfing statistics? I’m not familiar with those numbers and they don’t look anywhere near accurate to me.
>
> I understand your frustration at finding games, though you will find them fine if you search solo for the most part. But either way, as you stated, that doesn’t justify the offense.
>
> We recently went through each playlist with a fine-tooth comb to see if we could expand the search parameters. In Doubles, we roughly doubled the previous width just yesterday.
>
> But that’s about as far as we can go in Doubles because Doubles players are extremely sensitive to the skill gap.
>
> Below is a graph of the chance a single player will quit given the skill gap for Doubles. Notice that a gap of only 3 raw MMR results in a 68% chance that one of the players will quit, or a 100% chance that at least one of them will quit, and 36% chance the other will too. That would completely ruin any doubles match.
>
> So we can’t go looser than we do now without allowing meaningless matches.
This is the link to the statistics I saw with the 120 000 mains and 240 000 smurf accounts. This was done by a member of the community it seems so the authenticity I’m unsure of (which I didnt check at the time) but as a community it has been the only statistics that we are able to view (again, unless they are on another site/thread that I’m unaware of)
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> > > > The banning system will usually ban 14 days, except in the case of a players on the leaderboards (Champs) it will ban for the current and next season.
> > >
> > > I understand this, but do you not see that it is becoming harder and harder for players to find games? The statistics released showed that 240 000 accounts were smurfs and 120 000 were main accounts. Which means the higher ranks are vastly making new accounts just to be able to find games. A small majority may do it for the leaderboards and I understand that. But champion last season was around onyx 1750 which is very low for champion and this season on my ban I was onyx 1510 due to it being the start of the season which put me into champion. This is very very low onyx but we both got hit with 175 days just due to hitting champion rank. My placement games were against champions so I didn’t have an easy run to getting ranked and at the time of the ban we had played 17 games on my account to achieve that rank. We are trying to offer feedback to why higher ranked players are making these new accounts (admittedly there will be some players doing it for leaderboards) and now they are getting banned making the higher ranked population lower, making it harder again to find games. The back end of last season and start of this season is when we felt we needed these accounts just to find games which can be seen through the Gunderdog’s game history as we always played on mains until last season. The reply you gave is explaining why we got the ban and I understand that. Smurfing was a problem and needed to be solved which honestly I applaud you for… but with the state of halo 5s population now for higher ranks I’m sure you can see why the community is feeling the need to make these accounts to be able to get games. We would like a discussion about this please. We did ruin the fun of other players and I get that. But we were also unable to have fun because we couldn’t find games and with no feedback or solutions to this the community had taking it upon themselves to find one. This lead to making low ranked accounts. We just would like to be seen as people and not a number/statistic so you can understand the reasoning behind the actions. Lowering the search skill level as in champ can match to diamond 1 would be a simple solution for this. As I stated, last season onyx 1750 was around champ which isn’t too high and will be what diamonds are aiming to achieve and wouldn’t be much different from myself matching a pro player in skill difference. I’m not a pro player. Not at all. But playing against them helped me learn and improve
> >
> > Where are you getting your smurfing statistics? I’m not familiar with those numbers and they don’t look anywhere near accurate to me.
> >
> > I understand your frustration at finding games, though you will find them fine if you search solo for the most part. But either way, as you stated, that doesn’t justify the offense.
> >
> > We recently went through each playlist with a fine-tooth comb to see if we could expand the search parameters. In Doubles, we roughly doubled the previous width just yesterday.
> >
> > But that’s about as far as we can go in Doubles because Doubles players are extremely sensitive to the skill gap.
> >
> > Below is a graph of the chance a single player will quit given the skill gap for Doubles. Notice that a gap of only 3 raw MMR results in a 68% chance that one of the players will quit, or a 100% chance that at least one of them will quit, and 36% chance the other will too. That would completely ruin any doubles match.
> >
> > So we can’t go looser than we do now without allowing meaningless matches.
>
> https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/halo-5-s-true-population-size/6ea2f30b-2be5-4dd5-af3b-b68deec25e0e/posts?page=1
>
> This is the link to the statistics I saw with the 120 000 mains and 240 000 smurf accounts. This was done by a member of the community it seems so the authenticity I’m unsure of (which I didnt check at the time) but as a community it has been the only statistics that we are able to view (again, unless they are on another site/thread that I’m unaware of)
Yeah, that’s not accurate at all. We are able to dedupe alt accounts, and it’s by far not 2:1 like that. The pop estimates are also way off. There are a lot more than that. Interesting post though.
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> > > > > The banning system will usually ban 14 days, except in the case of a players on the leaderboards (Champs) it will ban for the current and next season.
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> > > > I understand this, but do you not see that it is becoming harder and harder for players to find games? The statistics released showed that 240 000 accounts were smurfs and 120 000 were main accounts. Which means the higher ranks are vastly making new accounts just to be able to find games. A small majority may do it for the leaderboards and I understand that. But champion last season was around onyx 1750 which is very low for champion and this season on my ban I was onyx 1510 due to it being the start of the season which put me into champion. This is very very low onyx but we both got hit with 175 days just due to hitting champion rank. My placement games were against champions so I didn’t have an easy run to getting ranked and at the time of the ban we had played 17 games on my account to achieve that rank. We are trying to offer feedback to why higher ranked players are making these new accounts (admittedly there will be some players doing it for leaderboards) and now they are getting banned making the higher ranked population lower, making it harder again to find games. The back end of last season and start of this season is when we felt we needed these accounts just to find games which can be seen through the Gunderdog’s game history as we always played on mains until last season. The reply you gave is explaining why we got the ban and I understand that. Smurfing was a problem and needed to be solved which honestly I applaud you for… but with the state of halo 5s population now for higher ranks I’m sure you can see why the community is feeling the need to make these accounts to be able to get games. We would like a discussion about this please. We did ruin the fun of other players and I get that. But we were also unable to have fun because we couldn’t find games and with no feedback or solutions to this the community had taking it upon themselves to find one. This lead to making low ranked accounts. We just would like to be seen as people and not a number/statistic so you can understand the reasoning behind the actions. Lowering the search skill level as in champ can match to diamond 1 would be a simple solution for this. As I stated, last season onyx 1750 was around champ which isn’t too high and will be what diamonds are aiming to achieve and wouldn’t be much different from myself matching a pro player in skill difference. I’m not a pro player. Not at all. But playing against them helped me learn and improve
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> > > Where are you getting your smurfing statistics? I’m not familiar with those numbers and they don’t look anywhere near accurate to me.
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> > > I understand your frustration at finding games, though you will find them fine if you search solo for the most part. But either way, as you stated, that doesn’t justify the offense.
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> > > We recently went through each playlist with a fine-tooth comb to see if we could expand the search parameters. In Doubles, we roughly doubled the previous width just yesterday.
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> > > But that’s about as far as we can go in Doubles because Doubles players are extremely sensitive to the skill gap.
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> > > Below is a graph of the chance a single player will quit given the skill gap for Doubles. Notice that a gap of only 3 raw MMR results in a 68% chance that one of the players will quit, or a 100% chance that at least one of them will quit, and 36% chance the other will too. That would completely ruin any doubles match.
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> > > So we can’t go looser than we do now without allowing meaningless matches.
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> > https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/6e35355aecdf4fd0acdaee3cc4156fd4/topics/halo-5-s-true-population-size/6ea2f30b-2be5-4dd5-af3b-b68deec25e0e/posts?page=1
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> > This is the link to the statistics I saw with the 120 000 mains and 240 000 smurf accounts. This was done by a member of the community it seems so the authenticity I’m unsure of (which I didnt check at the time) but as a community it has been the only statistics that we are able to view (again, unless they are on another site/thread that I’m unaware of)
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> Yeah, that’s not accurate at all. We are able to dedupe alt accounts, and it’s by far not 2:1 like that. The pop estimates are also way off. There are a lot more than that. Interesting post though.
As a community these are the only stats that have been available for us to view (to my knowledge) and we haven’t seen any update posts for playlists. So as a community we have nothing to go on or ways to find out what changes are happening meaning to our knowledge making smurf accounts are the only way for us to find games because as far as we are aware there aren’t any changes happening for higher ranked players to find games. This then leads to higher ranked players being banned and further decreasing the population creating a snowball effect of losing players and increasing search times. It is 100% your game and your choices of how you approach situations but I feel with lack of communication between developer and community that halo 5 is slowly losing its population and as a player from halo 3 I hate to see this happening. I’m simply giving feedback for a ban that I feel has been a bit unjust for a first time offence, at the start of a new season when only trying to fix a problem that we didn’t know was being looked into. But thank you for the clarification and communicating with us on this issue.
ZaedynFel,
I’ll add in as well that we are thankful for the clarification with all this. The changes you discussed to broadening the doubles matching criteria is exactly what we have been after, so we’re grateful for the changes to help the community. You can see the confusion we have faced, basing our actions around the only statistics we had to hand.
In light of all this discussion can we perhaps now discuss the length of the ban? We feel 175 days for entering onyx 1505 (and by extension, falling into champ!) is somewhat extreme for two players’ first offense. And clearly, you can see we are very passionate about H5! It would be unfortunate to try find other games till September 2nd based on what you have read here.
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> I’ll add in as well that we are thankful for the clarification with all this. The changes you discussed to broadening the doubles matching criteria is exactly what we have been after, so we’re grateful for the changes to help the community. You can see the confusion we have faced, basing our actions around the only statistics we had to hand.
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> In light of all this discussion can we perhaps now discuss the length of the ban? We feel 175 days for entering onyx 1505 (and by extension, falling into champ!) is somewhat extreme for two players’ first offense. And clearly, you can see we are very passionate about H5! It would be unfortunate to try find other games till September 2nd based on what you have read here.
You do have a fair point that you were pre-season Champs and not late season ones, so I’ll see what enforcement thinks.
That’s kind, thanks for checking.