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> > > > So I recently just got off a day ban on matchmaking on Halo 5 for what I expect to be idling. A friend of mine recently got Halo 5 and I was looking forward to playing some Big Team and doubles but I couldn’t because of the ban. So after the ban ended I decided I’d play a few matches while I waited for him to get on. After my last match, another friend called me on the phone and I left the room not realizing I was still in a gaming lobby. By the time I got back like 5 minutes later I saw I was banned for like 2 days. I really only have 2 days left of my break and really don’t feel as though I deserved this one especially after taking care to be sure not to quit or idle after the 1 day ban.
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> > > But according to your own anecdote, you didn’t take care to be sure not to idle. You said yourself: you took a call while you were still in a game lobby, meaning that a game started and there was not input from your controller for at least 3 minutes (the time it takes to get booted for idling), resulting in a boot for being idle. And since you had just come off a ban for the same thing, the system probably saw that as a behavioral trend. The ban system gets worse the more times you get banned; some people report each subsequent ban being about 2x as long as the last one. This is done because to the system, it looks like you aren’t learning your lesson, so the consequences get harsher and harsher.
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> > > Bans don’t normally get reversed (since the system is automatic), but in your case I especially wouldn’t expect a reversal because no matter what you feel you deserve, you were still idle after having just come off a ban for being idle.
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> > I did care not to quit any matches mid-game. I thought I had left the game lobby. My friend who called me was one I hadn’t spoken to for years so what do you expect me to do? It’s utter nonsense to penalize players by taking them off a game they already paid for just because I didn’t give a match 3 minutes of my time. It’s entirely pretentious to treat that the same way you would cheating or being rude to people. I understand how the automated ban system works which is why I made a post explaining that it wasn’t intentional and entirely an accident that had an disproportional consequence to it in the hopes that a person who could do more than just look at patterns take my story into account. The banning system isn’t perfect. If anything, it makes more sense to ban a player from a specific game type they were in when they made the offense instead of both social and ranked game types. I said it didn’t feel fair not to suggest that my feelings dictate how the game should go. I said it didn’t feel fair because it isn’t fair.
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> > So even if the ban clears and I go weeks without a single incident. If I lag out or my controller dies or if I have to get up to leave and I get disconnected from the game just once I’m going to get hit with a 4 day ban being scolded for “not learning my lesson”? A fair system should decrease determined banned time based on successive matches played rather than just arbitrarily doubling. And I know it doesn’t work that way because I must’ve played 10 matches without incident.
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> True enough, the ban system isn’t perfect. However most players never have to deal with it. The rules aren’t unreasonable: don’t quit, don’t betray, don’t idle, don’t suicide too much. As for the doubling ban times, that’s an estimate that I’ve made based on what people say when they get subsequent bans. I do not know if extended periods of good behavior “reset” your ban times; I’ve heard conflicting stories about that. It may happen, it may not. Not something anyone really wants to test, I think.
> Again, you say you “thought” you left the lobby, but you really didn’t. That is not taking care to not idle. That was absentmindedness, something many people occasional have. But all infractions have to be treated the same, out of fairness. You feel it was unfair because you say you didn’t intend to idle, but how does the system know that? Furthermore, how do any of us know that you really idled unintentionally, and aren’t just coming here saying that in hopes that you’ll get the ban overturned? Even if the system weren’t automatic, no one would overturn a ban just because you said “it was an accident”. Because then, everyone who uses that excuse would have to get their bans overturned, and I guarantee that not everyone who uses that excuse is telling the truth.
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> So, ultimately, your ban is fair. You were idle; whether it was intentional or not is irrelevant. And as you were idle, the system punished you. Hopefully after this, you will be a bit more careful to be sure that you exit matchmaking before walking away from your console. Or, you’ll keep in mind that the game boots idle people after 3 minutes and will ensure that you are back before that time. Real life interfering with game time happens, but when it happens, it’s on the player to take measures to ensure that they don’t break matchmaking rules. The other players on your team shouldn’t have to deal with idlers, betrayers, quitters, etc., no matter what the reason is.
Well clearly it doesn’t appear that I have much of a choice. But the question itself “how do we know you aren’t lying?” is still absurd. If I were to lie on a ban appeal, why on earth would I admit “alright it was my fault I wasn’t there but I had resolved not to again and got distracted by something I didn’t expect” in the hopes for some leniency? All of the previous examples I had given were, in fact, incidents that have contributed. If I really wanted to, I could have just looked at successful appeals people made in the past (if there even are any) and fabricate a similar scenario - except I don’t intend to make a liar of myself over a video game. The system should be revised regardless of whether or not my ban even qualifies for an appeal. I appreciate you taking the time to answer me on the thread but really there’s no sense in assuming every appeal is inertly a lie when you can accept that such mistakes happen and are bound to happen. I enjoy playing and it helps my unwind but this ban really just sucked the fun out of it for me.