The official Halo 5 "Why was I banned?" thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> > > > > > > 343 seriously need to re-do their ban system, i just got banned for leaving ONE game, and i get banned for 5 minutes, and it was on a community game, and i’m always getting banned for playing grifball, they need to add exceptions for the community playlists, especially grifball where betrayals are commonplace
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> > > > > > Well, you more than likely got banned for DNFs on 3 games since 8-29-16.
> > > > > > I wish you didn’t get banned because that seems low, but the ban system is harsh. I know it is rough but it’s attempting to do some good (yes, I do know that this is not an excuse).
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> > > > > > Grifball does need some retooling, I do remember that there was talk about the ban system being more sympathetic to Grifball players because of how easy it is to betray teammates, but I don’t think anything happened with that.
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> > > > > Also, if you are trolling, then please don’t, because i just started playing Today and i haven’t been playing between the 20th and 30th, i haven’t played H5 in a week or so, and if i did, it was on grifball, so please don’t troll me by saying i had 3 DNF’s when i clearly didn’t, i had 1 DNF that was today and no DNF’s between the 29th and 20th, so, the DNF today doesn’t count, my last DNF was on 8/20/2016, not counting the one 5 hours ago because H5 froze, Please don’t troll me.
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> > > > Judging by your match history he got those dates wrong, you do have a break in your history from 8/21 to 8/31. You do however Have 6 out of your last 50 matches as DNFS. That is more then 10%.
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> > > true, but considering the DNF’s were all within of a week or so, so i shouldn’t had received a punishment for a DNF that was a week ago or so on
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> > The time between them doesn’t matter. The number of matches does appear to.
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> i had 1 DNF that was 8 days ago (probably 9 now) and i received punishment for it that day of the DNF, so i don’t think i would receive another punishment for a DNF that i had gotten a ban for prior to my DNF yesterday

If you DNF a game 8-9 days ago and got a ban for it, and then DNF another game on 8/31 (yesterday) and got a ban for that one, I’m not sure where your confusion is coming from? The ban you got yesterday was likely for yesterday’s DNF, not the one 8-9 days ago.

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I like this forum and I’ve been halo waypoint for the past hour and it’s explained a lot apart from why leaving a war zone game causes me to be banned for 24 hours of arena

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> > > > > > > > 343 seriously need to re-do their ban system, i just got banned for leaving ONE game, and i get banned for 5 minutes, and it was on a community game, and i’m always getting banned for playing grifball, they need to add exceptions for the community playlists, especially grifball where betrayals are commonplace
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> > > > > > > Well, you more than likely got banned for DNFs on 3 games since 8-29-16.
> > > > > > > I wish you didn’t get banned because that seems low, but the ban system is harsh. I know it is rough but it’s attempting to do some good (yes, I do know that this is not an excuse).
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> > > > > > > Grifball does need some retooling, I do remember that there was talk about the ban system being more sympathetic to Grifball players because of how easy it is to betray teammates, but I don’t think anything happened with that.
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> > > > > > Also, if you are trolling, then please don’t, because i just started playing Today and i haven’t been playing between the 20th and 30th, i haven’t played H5 in a week or so, and if i did, it was on grifball, so please don’t troll me by saying i had 3 DNF’s when i clearly didn’t, i had 1 DNF that was today and no DNF’s between the 29th and 20th, so, the DNF today doesn’t count, my last DNF was on 8/20/2016, not counting the one 5 hours ago because H5 froze, Please don’t troll me.
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> > > > > Judging by your match history he got those dates wrong, you do have a break in your history from 8/21 to 8/31. You do however Have 6 out of your last 50 matches as DNFS. That is more then 10%.
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> > > > true, but considering the DNF’s were all within of a week or so, so i shouldn’t had received a punishment for a DNF that was a week ago or so on
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> > > The time between them doesn’t matter. The number of matches does appear to.
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> > i had 1 DNF that was 8 days ago (probably 9 now) and i received punishment for it that day of the DNF, so i don’t think i would receive another punishment for a DNF that i had gotten a ban for prior to my DNF yesterday
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> If you DNF a game 8-9 days ago and got a ban for it, and then DNF another game on 8/31 (yesterday) and got a ban for that one, I’m not sure where your confusion is coming from? The ban you got yesterday was likely for yesterday’s DNF, not the one 8-9 days ago.

yeah i know, i was just trying to say that, that guys date was wrong, but, the ban hammer system should be fixed, especially for social playlist’s especially grifball

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> > This only applies to unranked Arena playlists. The ranked playlists (like the Slayer match you did not finish most recently) do not support Join In Progress, so if you leave a ranked match, no one will join to take your place, leaving the rest of your team down a man and at a disadvantage.
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> He is basically telling you that he didn’t sign up for some pro league when he purchased halo. Im sure we all understand the policy and consequences for quitting games; but the whole point is to play halo5 for recreational entertainment and not be burdened by stricter guidelines and punishment; these circumstances should be left in Esports or some professional gaming event.

Actually he did, he agreed to the TOS, and there is a disclaimer about matchmaking rules in effect for misconduct.

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> > > > > > > > > 343 seriously need to re-do their ban system, i just got banned for leaving ONE game, and i get banned for 5 minutes, and it was on a community game, and i’m always getting banned for playing grifball, they need to add exceptions for the community playlists, especially grifball where betrayals are commonplace
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> > > > > > > > Well, you more than likely got banned for DNFs on 3 games since 8-29-16.
> > > > > > > > I wish you didn’t get banned because that seems low, but the ban system is harsh. I know it is rough but it’s attempting to do some good (yes, I do know that this is not an excuse).
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> > > > > > > > Grifball does need some retooling, I do remember that there was talk about the ban system being more sympathetic to Grifball players because of how easy it is to betray teammates, but I don’t think anything happened with that.
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> > > > > > > Also, if you are trolling, then please don’t, because i just started playing Today and i haven’t been playing between the 20th and 30th, i haven’t played H5 in a week or so, and if i did, it was on grifball, so please don’t troll me by saying i had 3 DNF’s when i clearly didn’t, i had 1 DNF that was today and no DNF’s between the 29th and 20th, so, the DNF today doesn’t count, my last DNF was on 8/20/2016, not counting the one 5 hours ago because H5 froze, Please don’t troll me.
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> > > > > > Judging by your match history he got those dates wrong, you do have a break in your history from 8/21 to 8/31. You do however Have 6 out of your last 50 matches as DNFS. That is more then 10%.
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> > > > > true, but considering the DNF’s were all within of a week or so, so i shouldn’t had received a punishment for a DNF that was a week ago or so on
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> > > > The time between them doesn’t matter. The number of matches does appear to.
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> > > i had 1 DNF that was 8 days ago (probably 9 now) and i received punishment for it that day of the DNF, so i don’t think i would receive another punishment for a DNF that i had gotten a ban for prior to my DNF yesterday
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> > If you DNF a game 8-9 days ago and got a ban for it, and then DNF another game on 8/31 (yesterday) and got a ban for that one, I’m not sure where your confusion is coming from? The ban you got yesterday was likely for yesterday’s DNF, not the one 8-9 days ago.
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> yeah i know, i was just trying to say that, that guys date was wrong, but, the ban hammer system should be fixed, especially for social playlist’s especially grifball

That was the other guy, not me. I didn’t offer you dates, just counted your dnfs within a number of matches. Quitting is just as annoying to people in social playlists as it is in ranked. While I agree that ranked should be stricter than social playlists, I don’t think we’d come anywhere near agreeing on what level would be appropriate for each.

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No offense to the game makers, but some of your gametypes are beyond boring, The following are boring(to me): Tank worlds, Minotuars, and Mantis Breakout.
I can’t stand playing them, so what I do I do? I quit early. Before the game even starts. No harm in it, right ? Someone else can just take my place, and it’s a social playlist!
Wrong, I was.
Only two pre-mature quits were needed for me to get a 3 hour long arena ban. 10-30 minutes I don’t care for, but three hours?
Keep in mind I’m not playing anything ranked. I’m not in the middle of a game of team slayer where I rage quit and leave my teammates. I’m playing a SOCIAL playlist. And I’m quitting BEFORE the game even starts so someone else can EASILY take my place. I’m not leaving any teammates to fend for themselves, I’m just possibly adding an extra 10 seconds to the wait time of searching for that one missing player.
yet I get banned for three hours. Just… Lol
343 pls fix. What do you think?

Screenshot : https://xboxrecord.us/gamer/GHOST%209o5/screenshot/2896ebdc-4bfd-4b53-9d39-4c50601aa174

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> No offense to the game makers, but some of your gametypes are beyond boring, The following are boring(to me): Tank worlds, Minotuars, and Mantis Breakout.
> I can’t stand playing them, so what I do I do? I quit early. Before the game even starts. No harm in it, right ? Someone else can just take my place, and it’s a social playlist!
> Wrong, I was.
> Only two pre-mature quits were needed for me to get a 3 hour long arena ban. 10-30 minutes I don’t care for, but three hours?
> Keep in mind I’m not playing anything ranked. I’m not in the middle of a game of team slayer where I rage quit and leave my teammates. I’m playing a SOCIAL playlist. And I’m quitting BEFORE the game even starts so someone else can EASILY take my place. I’m not leaving any teammates to fend for themselves, I’m just possibly adding an extra 10 seconds to the wait time of searching for that one missing player.
> yet I get banned for three hours. Just… Lol
> 343 pls fix. What do you think?

Yes, quitting social playlists can get you banned. Yes, maybe it is a bit strict. But it has been that way since launch, and 343i doesn’t seem to be interested in changing the system. Best to just not quit, even for gametypes/maps you don’t like.

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> > No offense to the game makers, but some of your gametypes are beyond boring, The following are boring(to me): Tank worlds, Minotuars, and Mantis Breakout.
> > I can’t stand playing them, so what I do I do? I quit early. Before the game even starts. No harm in it, right ? Someone else can just take my place, and it’s a social playlist!
> > Wrong, I was.
> > Only two pre-mature quits were needed for me to get a 3 hour long arena ban. 10-30 minutes I don’t care for, but three hours?
> > Keep in mind I’m not playing anything ranked. I’m not in the middle of a game of team slayer where I rage quit and leave my teammates. I’m playing a SOCIAL playlist. And I’m quitting BEFORE the game even starts so someone else can EASILY take my place. I’m not leaving any teammates to fend for themselves, I’m just possibly adding an extra 10 seconds to the wait time of searching for that one missing player.
> > yet I get banned for three hours. Just… Lol
> > 343 pls fix. What do you think?
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> Yes, quitting social playlists can get you banned. Yes, maybe it is a bit strict. But it has been that way since launch, and 343i doesn’t seem to be interested in changing the system. Best to just not quit, even for gametypes/maps you don’t like.

Hell, I’m not even in the game before I quit. I just quit the lobby before the game starts.

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> > > No offense to the game makers, but some of your gametypes are beyond boring, The following are boring(to me): Tank worlds, Minotuars, and Mantis Breakout.
> > > I can’t stand playing them, so what I do I do? I quit early. Before the game even starts. No harm in it, right ? Someone else can just take my place, and it’s a social playlist!
> > > Wrong, I was.
> > > Only two pre-mature quits were needed for me to get a 3 hour long arena ban. 10-30 minutes I don’t care for, but three hours?
> > > Keep in mind I’m not playing anything ranked. I’m not in the middle of a game of team slayer where I rage quit and leave my teammates. I’m playing a SOCIAL playlist. And I’m quitting BEFORE the game even starts so someone else can EASILY take my place. I’m not leaving any teammates to fend for themselves, I’m just possibly adding an extra 10 seconds to the wait time of searching for that one missing player.
> > > yet I get banned for three hours. Just… Lol
> > > 343 pls fix. What do you think?
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> > Yes, quitting social playlists can get you banned. Yes, maybe it is a bit strict. But it has been that way since launch, and 343i doesn’t seem to be interested in changing the system. Best to just not quit, even for gametypes/maps you don’t like.
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> Hell, I’m not even in the game before I quit. I just quit the lobby before the game starts.

Yeah, I’ve heard of this technique: dashboarding at map selection but before the lobby deploys. People have claimed that doing this doesn’t cause DNFs on the record, but apparently it does, based on your accounts. It’s still a form of quitting, though.

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> > > > > > > > > > 343 seriously need to re-do their ban system, i just got banned for leaving ONE game, and i get banned for 5 minutes, and it was on a community game, and i’m always getting banned for playing grifball, they need to add exceptions for the community playlists, especially grifball where betrayals are commonplace
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> > > > > > > > > Well, you more than likely got banned for DNFs on 3 games since 8-29-16.
> > > > > > > > > I wish you didn’t get banned because that seems low, but the ban system is harsh. I know it is rough but it’s attempting to do some good (yes, I do know that this is not an excuse).
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> > > > > > > > > Grifball does need some retooling, I do remember that there was talk about the ban system being more sympathetic to Grifball players because of how easy it is to betray teammates, but I don’t think anything happened with that.
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> > > > > > > > Also, if you are trolling, then please don’t, because i just started playing Today and i haven’t been playing between the 20th and 30th, i haven’t played H5 in a week or so, and if i did, it was on grifball, so please don’t troll me by saying i had 3 DNF’s when i clearly didn’t, i had 1 DNF that was today and no DNF’s between the 29th and 20th, so, the DNF today doesn’t count, my last DNF was on 8/20/2016, not counting the one 5 hours ago because H5 froze, Please don’t troll me.
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> > > > > > > Judging by your match history he got those dates wrong, you do have a break in your history from 8/21 to 8/31. You do however Have 6 out of your last 50 matches as DNFS. That is more then 10%.
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> > > > > > true, but considering the DNF’s were all within of a week or so, so i shouldn’t had received a punishment for a DNF that was a week ago or so on
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> > > > > The time between them doesn’t matter. The number of matches does appear to.
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> > > > i had 1 DNF that was 8 days ago (probably 9 now) and i received punishment for it that day of the DNF, so i don’t think i would receive another punishment for a DNF that i had gotten a ban for prior to my DNF yesterday
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> > > If you DNF a game 8-9 days ago and got a ban for it, and then DNF another game on 8/31 (yesterday) and got a ban for that one, I’m not sure where your confusion is coming from? The ban you got yesterday was likely for yesterday’s DNF, not the one 8-9 days ago.
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> > yeah i know, i was just trying to say that, that guys date was wrong, but, the ban hammer system should be fixed, especially for social playlist’s especially grifball
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> That was the other guy, not me. I didn’t offer you dates, just counted your dnfs within a number of matches. Quitting is just as annoying to people in social playlists as it is in ranked. While I agree that ranked should be stricter than social playlists, I don’t think we’d come anywhere near agreeing on what level would be appropriate for each.

yes, when players quit it is annoying, and the ranked playlists should have a more strict banhammer system, social playlist’s shouldn’t be as strict, as the ranked playlists atm, but only to a degree, or specific social playlist’s, such as grifball, with an exception for betrayals because that is common in grifball

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> > No offense to the game makers, but some of your gametypes are beyond boring, The following are boring(to me): Tank worlds, Minotuars, and Mantis Breakout.
> > I can’t stand playing them, so what I do I do? I quit early. Before the game even starts. No harm in it, right ? Someone else can just take my place, and it’s a social playlist!
> > Wrong, I was.
> > Only two pre-mature quits were needed for me to get a 3 hour long arena ban. 10-30 minutes I don’t care for, but three hours?
> > Keep in mind I’m not playing anything ranked. I’m not in the middle of a game of team slayer where I rage quit and leave my teammates. I’m playing a SOCIAL playlist. And I’m quitting BEFORE the game even starts so someone else can EASILY take my place. I’m not leaving any teammates to fend for themselves, I’m just possibly adding an extra 10 seconds to the wait time of searching for that one missing player.
> > yet I get banned for three hours. Just… Lol
> > 343 pls fix. What do you think?
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> Yes, quitting social playlists can get you banned. Yes, maybe it is a bit strict. But it has been that way since launch, and 343i doesn’t seem to be interested in changing the system. Best to just not quit, even for gametypes/maps you don’t like.

I’m not playing the 1 playlist(action sack) I was desperate for because it has so many games I don’t want to play to get the 1 game out of it I do want.

Never been banned I kind of limit my self from playing a game type if I ever feel the need to quit normally due to bad lag, or spawn killing or trapping.

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I have just been banned for 9 hours for quitting a game that had an abysmal connection, rubber banding all over the place, impossible to play. People will say ‘9 hours, you must be a regular quitter’ i’m not. I only ever leave a game if the connection is beyond terrible which seems to be far too often and isn’t a problem with my internet as i have fibre optic and experience no difficulties on any other games. I feel that it is a bit harsh to be banned for 9 hours from a game that i paid good money for, especially as i bought the special edition console as well, £430 in all. Is there anyway to contest the ban?

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Did anyone see the video ISpiteful just posted of getting banned? Made me LOL

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> I have just been banned for 9 hours for quitting a game that had an abysmal connection, rubber banding all over the place, impossible to play. People will say ‘9 hours, you must be a regular quitter’ i’m not. I only ever leave a game if the connection is beyond terrible which seems to be far too often and isn’t a problem with my internet as i have fibre optic and experience no difficulties on any other games. I feel that it is a bit harsh to be banned for 9 hours from a game that i paid good money for, especially as i bought the special edition console as well, £430 in all. Is there anyway to contest the ban?

There is no way to contest the ban. Posting here is the closest thing, but 343i does not seem to ever come by here themselves.

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> Dear 343,
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> I recently (a few days ago) purchased Halo 5. Haven’t really played a lot arena matchmaking but ended up quiting two games and was then banned. I would like to voice my frustration about this. I feel justified in leaving a game from time to time. Life happens, you may have to take a call, you may have to help a roommate carry in groceries, or whatever else may happen while playing a game. Since matchmaking games cannot be paused, and since standing in one spot may negatively impact your team, I will leave games.
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> There are also situations where one can be exploring different game types. I had only played one game type and wanted to see what the different types had to offer. I played one, did not find it particularly enjoying, and decided to leave to try another. I then had to leave the next game for a reason outside the world of Halo and was punished for it. How was I banned for two minor infractions? I feel there is a better route to take than banning someone for leaving 2 games.
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> Unlike games of Halo past, players can join mid game. This makes leaving a game a lot less severe than in recent history, yet the punishment has escalated severely. I also see issues arising from false positives for ‘leaving’ games. Situations like a person’s internet or power going out (among many other possible situations outside of the users control). Stack this with the situations where a person is validated in choosing to leave a game (aforementioned real world reasons, escaping a harassing player, trying to avoid lag, etc) and the validity of a straight count of ‘violations’ is brought into question.
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> Halo 5 is a game, and a game’s primary purpose is to provide recreation. Taking away a person’s ability to enjoy that recreation because they ‘might’ have malicious intent or because they ‘might’ have done an undesirable action on purpose, seems like it would hinder more people trying to enjoy the game than punish people not playing by the rules.
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> I understand wanting to place deterrents for undesirable behavior. However resorting to actions as severe as banning should not be so hastily reached. I feel that a few warnings, possibly accompanied by a smaller XP gain, could help stop some of this behavior. Eventually resorting to banning may be necessary but only after other steps have been taken to curb the behavior.
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> With the questionable nature of the violation measurement, the possibility of punishing an ‘innocent’, and the availability of other avenues before such a severe action; I find it difficult to understand why 343 chose to implement such a harsh punishment philosophy. In light of this I would like to suggest that 343 revisit their decisions and lessen the punishment for certain violations, such as leaving a game.
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> Thank you for your time.
> - A concerned Halo player
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> (ps I am posting this primarily for feedback to 343, and probably will not respond for discussion.)

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> > > This only applies to unranked Arena playlists. The ranked playlists (like the Slayer match you did not finish most recently) do not support Join In Progress, so if you leave a ranked match, no one will join to take your place, leaving the rest of your team down a man and at a disadvantage.
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> > He is basically telling you that he didn’t sign up for some pro league when he purchased halo. Im sure we all understand the policy and consequences for quitting games; but the whole point is to play halo5 for recreational entertainment and not be burdened by stricter guidelines and punishment; these circumstances should be left in Esports or some professional gaming event.
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> Actually he did, he agreed to the TOS, and there is a disclaimer about matchmaking rules in effect for misconduct.

The TOS has nothing to deal with severe punishment and false positives okay… are you actually fully understanding this conversation?
Remember, they are not talking about policy/rules, but general Ban expectations from a typical video game. I don’t see any notion that Kenai07 misunderstood the agreement in the halo5 TOS.

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> > I recently (a few days ago) purchased Halo 5. Haven’t really played a lot arena matchmaking but ended up quiting two games and was then banned. I would like to voice my frustration about this. I feel justified in leaving a game from time to time. Life happens, you may have to take a call, you may have to help a roommate carry in groceries, or whatever else may happen while playing a game. Since matchmaking games cannot be paused, and since standing in one spot may negatively impact your team, I will leave games.
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> > There are also situations where one can be exploring different game types. I had only played one game type and wanted to see what the different types had to offer. I played one, did not find it particularly enjoying, and decided to leave to try another. I then had to leave the next game for a reason outside the world of Halo and was punished for it. How was I banned for two minor infractions? I feel there is a better route to take than banning someone for leaving 2 games.
> >
> > Unlike games of Halo past, players can join mid game. This makes leaving a game a lot less severe than in recent history, yet the punishment has escalated severely. I also see issues arising from false positives for ‘leaving’ games. Situations like a person’s internet or power going out (among many other possible situations outside of the users control). Stack this with the situations where a person is validated in choosing to leave a game (aforementioned real world reasons, escaping a harassing player, trying to avoid lag, etc) and the validity of a straight count of ‘violations’ is brought into question.
> >
> > Halo 5 is a game, and a game’s primary purpose is to provide recreation. Taking away a person’s ability to enjoy that recreation because they ‘might’ have malicious intent or because they ‘might’ have done an undesirable action on purpose, seems like it would hinder more people trying to enjoy the game than punish people not playing by the rules.
> >
> > I understand wanting to place deterrents for undesirable behavior. However resorting to actions as severe as banning should not be so hastily reached. I feel that a few warnings, possibly accompanied by a smaller XP gain, could help stop some of this behavior. Eventually resorting to banning may be necessary but only after other steps have been taken to curb the behavior.
> >
> > With the questionable nature of the violation measurement, the possibility of punishing an ‘innocent’, and the availability of other avenues before such a severe action; I find it difficult to understand why 343 chose to implement such a harsh punishment philosophy. In light of this I would like to suggest that 343 revisit their decisions and lessen the punishment for certain violations, such as leaving a game.
> >
> > Thank you for your time.
> > - A concerned Halo player
> >
> > (ps I am posting this primarily for feedback to 343, and probably will not respond for discussion.)
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> > > > > Unlike games of Halo past, players can join mid game.
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> > > > This only applies to unranked Arena playlists. The ranked playlists (like the Slayer match you did not finish most recently) do not support Join In Progress, so if you leave a ranked match, no one will join to take your place, leaving the rest of your team down a man and at a disadvantage.
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> > > He is basically telling you that he didn’t sign up for some pro league when he purchased halo. Im sure we all understand the policy and consequences for quitting games; but the whole point is to play halo5 for recreational entertainment and not be burdened by stricter guidelines and punishment; these circumstances should be left in Esports or some professional gaming event.
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> > Actually he did, he agreed to the TOS, and there is a disclaimer about matchmaking rules in effect for misconduct.
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> The TOS has nothing to deal with severe punishment and false positives okay… are you actually fully understanding this conversation?
> Remember, they are not talking about policy/rules, but general Ban expectations from a typical video game. I don’t see any notion that Kenai07 misunderstood the agreement in the halo5 TOS.

Yes, he quit games and got banned before he knew how quickly the ban hammer would strike. I have yet to see a false positive.

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> Dear 343,
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> I recently (a few days ago) purchased Halo 5. Haven’t really played a lot arena matchmaking but ended up quiting two games and was then banned. I would like to voice my frustration about this. I feel justified in leaving a game from time to time. Life happens, you may have to take a call, you may have to help a roommate carry in groceries, or whatever else may happen while playing a game. Since matchmaking games cannot be paused, and since standing in one spot may negatively impact your team, I will leave games.
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> There are also situations where one can be exploring different game types. I had only played one game type and wanted to see what the different types had to offer. I played one, did not find it particularly enjoying, and decided to leave to try another. I then had to leave the next game for a reason outside the world of Halo and was punished for it. How was I banned for two minor infractions? I feel there is a better route to take than banning someone for leaving 2 games.
>
> Unlike games of Halo past, players can join mid game. This makes leaving a game a lot less severe than in recent history, yet the punishment has escalated severely. I also see issues arising from false positives for ‘leaving’ games. Situations like a person’s internet or power going out (among many other possible situations outside of the users control). Stack this with the situations where a person is validated in choosing to leave a game (aforementioned real world reasons, escaping a harassing player, trying to avoid lag, etc) and the validity of a straight count of ‘violations’ is brought into question.
>
> Halo 5 is a game, and a game’s primary purpose is to provide recreation. Taking away a person’s ability to enjoy that recreation because they ‘might’ have malicious intent or because they ‘might’ have done an undesirable action on purpose, seems like it would hinder more people trying to enjoy the game than punish people not playing by the rules.
>
> I understand wanting to place deterrents for undesirable behavior. However resorting to actions as severe as banning should not be so hastily reached. I feel that a few warnings, possibly accompanied by a smaller XP gain, could help stop some of this behavior. Eventually resorting to banning may be necessary but only after other steps have been taken to curb the behavior.
>
> With the questionable nature of the violation measurement, the possibility of punishing an ‘innocent’, and the availability of other avenues before such a severe action; I find it difficult to understand why 343 chose to implement such a harsh punishment philosophy. In light of this I would like to suggest that 343 revisit their decisions and lessen the punishment for certain violations, such as leaving a game.
>
> Thank you for your time.
> - A concerned Halo player
>
> (ps I am posting this primarily for feedback to 343, and probably will not respond for discussion.)

How are any of these false positives?

As far as the banhammer knows, at one point in time you were in the server, then you left the server, but the game is still going.

Do you know what happens when you allow these things to be forgiven? They get abused, and they get abused easily. If you allow Internet disconnections to be forgiven, then I can pull out my Ethernet cable every time I’m losing, and “Oops, I disconnected”. How would the banhammer know if a disconnect was on accident or on purpose? How would the banhammer know that you left for an emergency or because you didn’t want to play?

The ban system was put in for a reason because of this. In the Master Chief Collection, people were dodging games by closing the game with zero penalty whatsoever. Why? Because the system allowed them to.

The only thing it can do is consider all DNFs as a problem, and ban based on that. The only problem is how it considers that DNF. Yes there are emergencies, yes there are unforeseen events. But that’s why the banhammer doesn’t ban you after one DNF.

In your case, you left 2 out of a total 9 games. If the banhammer works based on repeats, that’s two games in a row. Not the worst thing in the world, but some people can get banned for that. If it goes by percentages, you left ~22% of your total games, which is quite a lot when you don’t take context.

Maybe it jumped the gun, maybe it’s a misstep in calculation. It could be a lot of reasons, but at the end of the day, one should try to quit as little as often.

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Banned for 17mins your server kicked me out a game yet again, it’s like I have to come here and complain every day at this point, at least the ban is not 8 or 24 hours like before , but I shouldn’t be banned period, Fix your servers or take the ban system off until you get your crap running the right way!

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> Banned for 17mins your server kicked me out a game yet again, it’s like I have to come here and complain every day at this point, at least the ban is not 8 or 24 hours like before , but I shouldn’t be banned period, Fix your servers or take the ban system off until you get your crap running the right way!

Looking at the likely game in question (this one), it seems that you were the only one who did not finish the game. Since no one else in that game got a DNF, it seems unlikely that it was a Halo 5 server issue, and more likely that there was a problem between the server and your console specifically. For what it is worth, it doesn’t look like you quit that game voluntarily, based on your performance and the closeness of the match, so that’s good. It also looks like you don’t DNF that often (at least in the past couple days), so maybe this disconnect was just fluke. It certainly bodes well that your current ban was less lengthy this time around; maybe the banhammer is still sensitive towards you from previous bans (a 24 hour ban is pretty severe and would suggest you had gotten banned at least a few times before that one). I think so long as you don’t quit games like you have been recently, then even if you get disconnected again (as long as it’s not common), then your cooldowns will get shorter or perhaps go away all together. But obviously the ban system won’t be removed because that would cause all sorts of problems, and again, since it was only you that DNF, it suggests that the general Halo 5 servers were fine during that game, and that the problem was probably specific to your connection to the server.

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> > Banned for 17mins your server kicked me out a game yet again, it’s like I have to come here and complain every day at this point, at least the ban is not 8 or 24 hours like before , but I shouldn’t be banned period, Fix your servers or take the ban system off until you get your crap running the right way!
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> Looking at the likely game in question (this one), it seems that you were the only one who did not finish the game. Since no one else in that game got a DNF, it seems unlikely that it was a Halo 5 server issue, and more likely that there was a problem between the server and your console specifically. For what it is worth, it doesn’t look like you quit that game voluntarily, based on your performance and the closeness of the match, so that’s good. It also looks like you don’t DNF that often (at least in the past couple days), so maybe this disconnect was just fluke. It certainly bodes well that your current ban was less lengthy this time around; maybe the banhammer is still sensitive towards you from previous bans (a 24 hour ban is pretty severe and would suggest you had gotten banned at least a few times before that one). I think so long as you don’t quit games like you have been recently, then even if you get disconnected again (as long as it’s not common), then your cooldowns will get shorter or perhaps go away all together. But obviously the ban system won’t be removed because that would cause all sorts of problems, and again, **since it was only you that DNF,**it suggests that the general Halo 5 servers were fine during that game, and that the problem was probably specific to your connection to the server.

When everyone has server interruption, you will receive a brief “server disconnection” message along with no record of that game. This Ban instance could suggest internet drops due to high traffic at that specific time. I have seen Quite a bit of “server disconnection” messages, so Blame Rambo is right, they do need to look into fixing their servers.