The official Halo 5 "Why was I banned?" thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> Hey. So I just bought an xbox one and Halo 5 last night. After I spent all evening and most of the night downloading and installing updates, I played a couple matches. I went to bed and passed the controller to my brother who went on to play several matches and quit a good portion of them. I didn’t play at all today since I was out of the house. I got on this evening I find myself with a 3 hour ban. Apparently he played even more while I was out today and got banned a few more times.
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> Now I know it’s my fault for letting him play, account is my responsibility, etc. I’ve put a passcode on my account to prevent this happening in the future.
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> I was wondering when the bans reset? Because next time I have any infraction (accidental suicide, team kill in swat) I’m gonna be banned for 6+ hours. How long does it take for bans to cool back down to 10 minutes?

As far as we know, there is no ban cooldown or reset.
Edit: just an FYI, friendly fire was removed in SWAT.

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> I payed a lot of money for this and I’m not allowed to play it?. I did not buy this game agreeing to some stupid made up nonsense rules. Had I been informed of this I would have never purchased this game. You all need to seriously reconsider these rules . It’s a virtual reality not real life stop being so controlling over people who have lives that may quite in the middle of a game. Or people like me who get caught idling due to other things not involving this game. Telling people who pay so much for Halo they don’t have the right to play regardless of it being a limited time or not is really pathetic and scumy.

Yes you did, since playing Halo’s multiplayer (or Xbox LIVE in general) forces you to agree to their terms of use.

If you don’t think you have the time to finish the game, don’t start the game.

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> > Hey. So I just bought an xbox one and Halo 5 last night. After I spent all evening and most of the night downloading and installing updates, I played a couple matches. I went to bed and passed the controller to my brother who went on to play several matches and quit a good portion of them. I didn’t play at all today since I was out of the house. I got on this evening I find myself with a 3 hour ban. Apparently he played even more while I was out today and got banned a few more times.
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> > Now I know it’s my fault for letting him play, account is my responsibility, etc. I’ve put a passcode on my account to prevent this happening in the future.
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> > I was wondering when the bans reset? Because next time I have any infraction (accidental suicide, team kill in swat) I’m gonna be banned for 6+ hours. How long does it take for bans to cool back down to 10 minutes?
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> As far as we know, there is no ban cooldown or reset.
> Edit: just an FYI, friendly fire was removed in SWAT.

Thanks for the quick reply. That sucks about the ban cool down but I can deal with it. (Good on SWAT friendly fire. Didn’t want to test it out)

Does the system keep track of which offense you do? Like if I quit a game I’ll get banned from my bad history, but if I fall off the map a couple I won’t get banned? Or will any offense at all get me banned at this point.

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> > > > I got banned five times in a row because the servers are garbage; why wasn’t that included?
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> > > This gave me a good chuckle, lol
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> > well it is serious most of my friends have had that happen to them
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> I have only been able to play 17 Arena games this month due to ban-lag.
> It’s Hell, feel lucky if it doesn’t affect you

Maybe it’s not the server. Maybe you and your friends have a crappy connection.

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> > > Hey. So I just bought an xbox one and Halo 5 last night. After I spent all evening and most of the night downloading and installing updates, I played a couple matches. I went to bed and passed the controller to my brother who went on to play several matches and quit a good portion of them. I didn’t play at all today since I was out of the house. I got on this evening I find myself with a 3 hour ban. Apparently he played even more while I was out today and got banned a few more times.
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> > > Now I know it’s my fault for letting him play, account is my responsibility, etc. I’ve put a passcode on my account to prevent this happening in the future.
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> > > I was wondering when the bans reset? Because next time I have any infraction (accidental suicide, team kill in swat) I’m gonna be banned for 6+ hours. How long does it take for bans to cool back down to 10 minutes?
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> > As far as we know, there is no ban cooldown or reset.
> > Edit: just an FYI, friendly fire was removed in SWAT.
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> Thanks for the quick reply. That sucks about the ban cool down but I can deal with it. (Good on SWAT friendly fire. Didn’t want to test it out)
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> Does the system keep track of which offense you do? Like if I quit a game I’ll get banned from my bad history, but if I fall off the map a couple I won’t get banned? Or will any offense at all get me banned at this point.

What we know about the system is that it is supposed to look for patterns of infractions that aren’t likely to be accidental (habitual quitting, suicides, betraying, etc.). According to the info on the first page, occasional infractions shouldn’t trigger. Myself, for instance: I’ve never been banned, but I’ve been booted twice from Grifball for too many betrayals. However, after getting booted from those games (the boots were months apart), I was more careful in subsequent games, and even if I got another betrayal, it didn’t boot me again. I can only assume something similar occurs with the banhammer.

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> > > > Hey. So I just bought an xbox one and Halo 5 last night. After I spent all evening and most of the night downloading and installing updates, I played a couple matches. I went to bed and passed the controller to my brother who went on to play several matches and quit a good portion of them. I didn’t play at all today since I was out of the house. I got on this evening I find myself with a 3 hour ban. Apparently he played even more while I was out today and got banned a few more times.
> > > >
> > > > Now I know it’s my fault for letting him play, account is my responsibility, etc. I’ve put a passcode on my account to prevent this happening in the future.
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering when the bans reset? Because next time I have any infraction (accidental suicide, team kill in swat) I’m gonna be banned for 6+ hours. How long does it take for bans to cool back down to 10 minutes?
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> What we know about the system is that it is supposed to look for patterns of infractions that aren’t likely to be accidental (habitual quitting, suicides, betraying, etc.). According to the info on the first page, occasional infractions shouldn’t trigger. Myself, for instance: I’ve never been banned, but I’ve been booted twice from Grifball for too many betrayals. However, after getting booted from those games (the boots were months apart), I was more careful in subsequent games, and even if I got another betrayal, it didn’t boot me again. I can only assume something similar occurs with the banhammer.

look, this system is no way as advanced enough to look for patterns as you say, and if this system could "look" it would clearly see that many people are not happy about being banned when this game lags badly.

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> > > > > Hey. So I just bought an xbox one and Halo 5 last night. After I spent all evening and most of the night downloading and installing updates, I played a couple matches. I went to bed and passed the controller to my brother who went on to play several matches and quit a good portion of them. I didn’t play at all today since I was out of the house. I got on this evening I find myself with a 3 hour ban. Apparently he played even more while I was out today and got banned a few more times.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I know it’s my fault for letting him play, account is my responsibility, etc. I’ve put a passcode on my account to prevent this happening in the future.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was wondering when the bans reset? Because next time I have any infraction (accidental suicide, team kill in swat) I’m gonna be banned for 6+ hours. How long does it take for bans to cool back down to 10 minutes?
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> > What we know about the system is that it is supposed to look for patterns of infractions that aren’t likely to be accidental (habitual quitting, suicides, betraying, etc.). According to the info on the first page, occasional infractions shouldn’t trigger. Myself, for instance: I’ve never been banned, but I’ve been booted twice from Grifball for too many betrayals. However, after getting booted from those games (the boots were months apart), I was more careful in subsequent games, and even if I got another betrayal, it didn’t boot me again. I can only assume something similar occurs with the banhammer.
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> look, this system is no way as advanced enough to look for patterns as you say, and if this system could "look" it would clearly see that many people are not happy about being banned when this game lags badly.

Not sure why you’re focusing on the word “look” so much, but it is important to note that I didn’t say this. I am merely restating what was said on the front page of this thread by WulfwoodsSins. As for what you think about the sophistication of the system, it is possible to have an automatic ban system that uses algorithms to detect patterns of behavior, and Halo 5 likely implements such a system. As for your final statement, no, an automated system of even the highest caliber couldn’t detect unhappiness from players; that is impossible. Also, not every player experiences lag. I just played a game and it was positively lag free.

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Ijust got banhammered for quitting my last match and I have proof to the contrary. I have that blurry main menu screen that happens when a cheater is in the game. So tell me how that happens to be a quit hmmm. 343 needs to look more at the game stats just played before they have said banhammer strike.

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Hi,
I have just been banned for 31 hours for disconnecting from too many games. This was due to connection problems as my xbox is located a fair distance away from my modem. I would like to appeal as i have been enjoying playing Halo 5 very much.
Cheers

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> > > > > > Hey. So I just bought an xbox one and Halo 5 last night. After I spent all evening and most of the night downloading and installing updates, I played a couple matches. I went to bed and passed the controller to my brother who went on to play several matches and quit a good portion of them. I didn’t play at all today since I was out of the house. I got on this evening I find myself with a 3 hour ban. Apparently he played even more while I was out today and got banned a few more times.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now I know it’s my fault for letting him play, account is my responsibility, etc. I’ve put a passcode on my account to prevent this happening in the future.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was wondering when the bans reset? Because next time I have any infraction (accidental suicide, team kill in swat) I’m gonna be banned for 6+ hours. How long does it take for bans to cool back down to 10 minutes?
> > >
> > >
> > > What we know about the system is that it is supposed to look for patterns of infractions that aren’t likely to be accidental (habitual quitting, suicides, betraying, etc.). According to the info on the first page, occasional infractions shouldn’t trigger. Myself, for instance: I’ve never been banned, but I’ve been booted twice from Grifball for too many betrayals. However, after getting booted from those games (the boots were months apart), I was more careful in subsequent games, and even if I got another betrayal, it didn’t boot me again. I can only assume something similar occurs with the banhammer.
> >
> >
> > look, this system is no way as advanced enough to look for patterns as you say, and if this system could "look" it would clearly see that many people are not happy about being banned when this game lags badly.
>
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> Not sure why you’re focusing on the word “look” so much, but it is important to note that I didn’t say this. I am merely restating what was said on the front page of this thread by WulfwoodsSins. As for what you think about the sophistication of the system, it is possible to have an automatic ban system that uses algorithms to detect patterns of behavior, and Halo 5 likely implements such a system. As for your final statement, no, an automated system of even the highest caliber couldn’t detect unhappiness from players; that is impossible. Also, not every player experiences lag. I just played a game and it was positively lag free.

if you are not sure then you need to stop defending something you are not sure about: All these detection algorithms you claim or heard from someone is totally absurd. All halo5 do is “look” at the rate of DNF’s then strike bans and there is nothing sophisticated about that, you need to stop trying to trick the community into thinking otherwise. Anyone with good common sense would know better.

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> > > > > > > Hey. So I just bought an xbox one and Halo 5 last night. After I spent all evening and most of the night downloading and installing updates, I played a couple matches. I went to bed and passed the controller to my brother who went on to play several matches and quit a good portion of them. I didn’t play at all today since I was out of the house. I got on this evening I find myself with a 3 hour ban. Apparently he played even more while I was out today and got banned a few more times.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now I know it’s my fault for letting him play, account is my responsibility, etc. I’ve put a passcode on my account to prevent this happening in the future.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was wondering when the bans reset? Because next time I have any infraction (accidental suicide, team kill in swat) I’m gonna be banned for 6+ hours. How long does it take for bans to cool back down to 10 minutes?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What we know about the system is that it is supposed to look for patterns of infractions that aren’t likely to be accidental (habitual quitting, suicides, betraying, etc.). According to the info on the first page, occasional infractions shouldn’t trigger. Myself, for instance: I’ve never been banned, but I’ve been booted twice from Grifball for too many betrayals. However, after getting booted from those games (the boots were months apart), I was more careful in subsequent games, and even if I got another betrayal, it didn’t boot me again. I can only assume something similar occurs with the banhammer.
> > >
> > >
> > > look, this system is no way as advanced enough to look for patterns as you say, and if this system could "look" it would clearly see that many people are not happy about being banned when this game lags badly.
> >
> >
> > Not sure why you’re focusing on the word “look” so much, but it is important to note that I didn’t say this. I am merely restating what was said on the front page of this thread by WulfwoodsSins. As for what you think about the sophistication of the system, it is possible to have an automatic ban system that uses algorithms to detect patterns of behavior, and Halo 5 likely implements such a system. As for your final statement, no, an automated system of even the highest caliber couldn’t detect unhappiness from players; that is impossible. Also, not every player experiences lag. I just played a game and it was positively lag free.
>
>
> if you are not sure then you need to stop defending something you are not sure about: All these detection algorithms you claim or heard from someone is totally absurd. All halo5 do is “look” at the rate of DNF’s then strike bans and there is nothing sophisticated about that, you need to stop trying to trick the community into thinking otherwise. Anyone with good common sense would know better.

And how do you know exactly how the system works? What hard evidence do you have to support your simplistic view of the system? By all means, enlighten us.

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> Hi,
> I have just been banned for 31 hours for disconnecting from too many games. This was due to connection problems as my xbox is located a fair distance away from my modem. I would like to appeal as i have been enjoying playing Halo 5 very much.
> Cheers

343i has stated that one of the things that can trigger the banhammer are excessive disconnects (read “The Banhammer Strikes” section here). So while you may have not been purposefully quitting those games, the system sees those several DNFs and issued a ban. If you think the distance between your modem and console is causing the issue, I would suggest investigating methods that you can use to ameliorate the problem. Such things could be moving the console closer to the modem, or vice versa, or running a long ethernet cable from the modem to the console, or (and the effectiveness of this may vary) using wireless boosters/extenders to extend the range of your modem/router.

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> > > > > > > > Hey. So I just bought an xbox one and Halo 5 last night. After I spent all evening and most of the night downloading and installing updates, I played a couple matches. I went to bed and passed the controller to my brother who went on to play several matches and quit a good portion of them. I didn’t play at all today since I was out of the house. I got on this evening I find myself with a 3 hour ban. Apparently he played even more while I was out today and got banned a few more times.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now I know it’s my fault for letting him play, account is my responsibility, etc. I’ve put a passcode on my account to prevent this happening in the future.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was wondering when the bans reset? Because next time I have any infraction (accidental suicide, team kill in swat) I’m gonna be banned for 6+ hours. How long does it take for bans to cool back down to 10 minutes?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What we know about the system is that it is supposed to look for patterns of infractions that aren’t likely to be accidental (habitual quitting, suicides, betraying, etc.). According to the info on the first page, occasional infractions shouldn’t trigger. Myself, for instance: I’ve never been banned, but I’ve been booted twice from Grifball for too many betrayals. However, after getting booted from those games (the boots were months apart), I was more careful in subsequent games, and even if I got another betrayal, it didn’t boot me again. I can only assume something similar occurs with the banhammer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > look, this system is no way as advanced enough to look for patterns as you say, and if this system could "look" it would clearly see that many people are not happy about being banned when this game lags badly.
> >
> >
> > if you are not sure then you need to stop defending something you are not sure about: All these detection algorithms you claim or heard from someone is totally absurd. All halo5 do is “look” at the rate of DNF’s then strike bans and there is nothing sophisticated about that, you need to stop trying to trick the community into thinking otherwise. Anyone with good common sense would know better.
>
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> And how do you know exactly how the system works? What hard evidence do you have to support your simplistic view of the system? By all means, enlighten us.

This video shows the game session dropped to main menu.

http://gameclipscontent-d2018.xboxlive.com/000900000716ca47-06889615-af2f-4b04-95ce-ab133f6ef583/GameClip-Original.MP4?sv=2014-02-14&sr=c&sig=WumaZOsTV%2B5fwX5JuhjFDN3gmeg%2B%2Fh7HG%2F3VmyY9IO8%3D&st=2016-08-20T08%3A18%3A14Z&se=2016-08-20T09%3A23%3A14Z&sp=r&gda=1471684994_9793068aa5491a9ea319e53089188ceethis video shows game crashed follow by a halo need an update
http://gameclipscontent-d2021.xboxlive.com/000900000716ca47-25c38354-a59a-4e5e-8284-eb42445036b6/GameClip-Original.MP4?sv=2014-02-14&sr=c&sig=w%2Fp5p5cDqSd8CbXpwZUf1z5ytGz7RsnnbvHehJVDEQY%3D&st=2016-08-18T22%3A59%3A54Z&se=2016-08-19T00%3A04%3A54Z&sp=r&gda=1471565094_69657075d237446802108bba8d4e968eThe second game I didn’t retrieve data, later I was banned for 15 seconds, and never been banned since; but it was surely an abusive harsh ban enough to make “me” an honest player who participates and not quit games become infuriated after receiving this response :“Sigh You realize we can see your DNFs in your game history right? I’ve counted 3 in the first column alone.” you people that defend this sorry -Yoink- ban system makes me sick. The only thing that spew from you is basically the word “Habitual Quitter” Im not a quitter by choice but you made me eventually quit halo. Only a dumb person would believe that a 15 second ban is due to habitual quitting; I’m so sick and tired of your delusional perspective. there is no longer any reason to be rational with you people this ban system is by far the most humiliating experience ever in video games…

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> > > > > > > > > Hey. So I just bought an xbox one and Halo 5 last night. After I spent all evening and most of the night downloading and installing updates, I played a couple matches. I went to bed and passed the controller to my brother who went on to play several matches and quit a good portion of them. I didn’t play at all today since I was out of the house. I got on this evening I find myself with a 3 hour ban. Apparently he played even more while I was out today and got banned a few more times.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now I know it’s my fault for letting him play, account is my responsibility, etc. I’ve put a passcode on my account to prevent this happening in the future.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I was wondering when the bans reset? Because next time I have any infraction (accidental suicide, team kill in swat) I’m gonna be banned for 6+ hours. How long does it take for bans to cool back down to 10 minutes?
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> > > > > > What we know about the system is that it is supposed to look for patterns of infractions that aren’t likely to be accidental (habitual quitting, suicides, betraying, etc.). According to the info on the first page, occasional infractions shouldn’t trigger. Myself, for instance: I’ve never been banned, but I’ve been booted twice from Grifball for too many betrayals. However, after getting booted from those games (the boots were months apart), I was more careful in subsequent games, and even if I got another betrayal, it didn’t boot me again. I can only assume something similar occurs with the banhammer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > look, this system is no way as advanced enough to look for patterns as you say, and if this system could "look" it would clearly see that many people are not happy about being banned when this game lags badly.
> > >
> > >
> > > if you are not sure then you need to stop defending something you are not sure about: All these detection algorithms you claim or heard from someone is totally absurd. All halo5 do is “look” at the rate of DNF’s then strike bans and there is nothing sophisticated about that, you need to stop trying to trick the community into thinking otherwise. Anyone with good common sense would know better.
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> > And how do you know exactly how the system works? What hard evidence do you have to support your simplistic view of the system? By all means, enlighten us.
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> http://gameclipscontent-d2018.xboxlive.com/000900000716ca47-06889615-af2f-4b04-95ce-ab133f6ef583/GameClip-Original.MP4?sv=2014-02-14&sr=c&sig=WumaZOsTV%2B5fwX5JuhjFDN3gmeg%2B%2Fh7HG%2F3VmyY9IO8%3D&st=2016-08-20T08%3A18%3A14Z&se=2016-08-20T09%3A23%3A14Z&sp=r&gda=1471684994_9793068aa5491a9ea319e53089188ceethis video shows game crashed follow by a halo need an update
> http://gameclipscontent-d2021.xboxlive.com/000900000716ca47-25c38354-a59a-4e5e-8284-eb42445036b6/GameClip-Original.MP4?sv=2014-02-14&sr=c&sig=w%2Fp5p5cDqSd8CbXpwZUf1z5ytGz7RsnnbvHehJVDEQY%3D&st=2016-08-18T22%3A59%3A54Z&se=2016-08-19T00%3A04%3A54Z&sp=r&gda=1471565094_69657075d237446802108bba8d4e968eThe second game I didn’t retrieve data, later I was banned for 15 seconds, and never been banned since; but it was surely an abusive harsh ban enough to make “me” an honest player who participates and not quit games become infuriated after receiving this response :“Sigh You realize we can see your DNFs in your game history right? I’ve counted 3 in the first column alone.” you people that defend this sorry -Yoink- ban system makes me sick. The only thing that spew from you is basically the word “Habitual Quitter” Im not a quitter by choice but you made me eventually quit halo. Only a dumb person would believe that a 15 second ban is due to habitual quitting; I’m so sick and tired of your delusional perspective. there is no longer any reason to be rational with you people this ban system is by far the most humiliating experience ever in video games…

First video: looks like a serious lag issue. Could have been an issue with the dedicated server, or it could have been a local issue with your connection. I can’t seem to find a corresponding Grifball match on Grifball Court with you on Red Team that ends in a DNF on your record; perhaps you can point out which game in your history corresponds to the video? Also, just a point of correction: you got kicked to the Arena menu, not the main menu (this is the main menu).
Edit: I think I found the corresponding game (this one?). So looking at the game details, it looks like you and one other member of Red Team did not finish that game. The other players on Red Team and Blue Team did finish. This suggests that it was not a dedicated server issue, as not everyone was dropped from the game. In fact, the game filled the spot on Red Team left vacant by you or that other player who DNF. So the game as a whole continued on. Looking at your stats for the game, it’s not immediately suggesting a rage quit (you were positive, at least). So it could have been a local connection issue on your end.
Second video: link goes to nothing. There is no video to be seen. There is a small video player screen that appears but the play button doesn’t work and the tracking icon doesn’t either.
I fail to see how video 1 proves that the the system doesn’t search for a pattern. You have played many games, but you do have quite a few DNFs sprinkled throughout your history. Seems to me that the “15 second ban” you recount could have been the system detecting the beginning of what it thought was a pattern, but based on the frequency on your DNFs decided only a short ban was warranted; I don’t know. I’ve never personally been banned, so I don’t know the typical length of first bans that people have. And, if you read carefully, I never directly call anyone a habitual quitter. I simply stated that the system looks for habitual quitting, which is a form of purposeful DNF, as part of its criteria for issuing bans. I have never labeled anyone as a quitter; I have only pointed out what is publicly available in their history, and made speculations based on what was there. So you throwing a hissy fit, pestering me with PMs to respond to you, is immature and unfounded. As stated on the first page of the thread:

> However, the community will help keep you honest. You have a public game history for everyone to see. If you post you were banned unjustly, the community is in their rights to check out your history to confirm or deny your claims.

That’s all we are doing; trying to keep people honest with what little info is available to us. There is nothing wrong with that.

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I will file a lawsuit if this continues to happen. I did not pay money to get told I cannot play regardless of these stupid arbitrary rules.

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I keep getting lag banned and it’s really frustrating. Some times it says that I disconnected from game server and that’s OK because I don’t think it counts against you. Very recently I. E. The last three days my connection seems to be garbage. I’ve done all the self test diagnostic things on xbox. Anyone else getting this problem lately. Also is there a way to check how long a ban lasts? Sorry for the long post

Update; After logging back in it told me I have a 2 and a half hour ban. So no one needs to reply to that.

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> > > > > > > > > > Hey. So I just bought an xbox one and Halo 5 last night. After I spent all evening and most of the night downloading and installing updates, I played a couple matches. I went to bed and passed the controller to my brother who went on to play several matches and quit a good portion of them. I didn’t play at all today since I was out of the house. I got on this evening I find myself with a 3 hour ban. Apparently he played even more while I was out today and got banned a few more times.
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> > > > > > > > > > Now I know it’s my fault for letting him play, account is my responsibility, etc. I’ve put a passcode on my account to prevent this happening in the future.
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> > > > > > > > > > I was wondering when the bans reset? Because next time I have any infraction (accidental suicide, team kill in swat) I’m gonna be banned for 6+ hours. How long does it take for bans to cool back down to 10 minutes?
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> > > > > > > What we know about the system is that it is supposed to look for patterns of infractions that aren’t likely to be accidental (habitual quitting, suicides, betraying, etc.). According to the info on the first page, occasional infractions shouldn’t trigger. Myself, for instance: I’ve never been banned, but I’ve been booted twice from Grifball for too many betrayals. However, after getting booted from those games (the boots were months apart), I was more careful in subsequent games, and even if I got another betrayal, it didn’t boot me again. I can only assume something similar occurs with the banhammer.
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> > > > > > look, this system is no way as advanced enough to look for patterns as you say, and if this system could "look" it would clearly see that many people are not happy about being banned when this game lags badly.
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> > > > if you are not sure then you need to stop defending something you are not sure about: All these detection algorithms you claim or heard from someone is totally absurd. All halo5 do is “look” at the rate of DNF’s then strike bans and there is nothing sophisticated about that, you need to stop trying to trick the community into thinking otherwise. Anyone with good common sense would know better.
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> > > And how do you know exactly how the system works? What hard evidence do you have to support your simplistic view of the system? By all means, enlighten us.
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> > This video shows the game session dropped to main menu.
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> > http://gameclipscontent-d2018.xboxlive.com/000900000716ca47-06889615-af2f-4b04-95ce-ab133f6ef583/GameClip-Original.MP4?sv=2014-02-14&sr=c&sig=WumaZOsTV%2B5fwX5JuhjFDN3gmeg%2B%2Fh7HG%2F3VmyY9IO8%3D&st=2016-08-20T08%3A18%3A14Z&se=2016-08-20T09%3A23%3A14Z&sp=r&gda=1471684994_9793068aa5491a9ea319e53089188ceethis video shows game crashed follow by a halo need an update
> > http://gameclipscontent-d2021.xboxlive.com/000900000716ca47-25c38354-a59a-4e5e-8284-eb42445036b6/GameClip-Original.MP4?sv=2014-02-14&sr=c&sig=w%2Fp5p5cDqSd8CbXpwZUf1z5ytGz7RsnnbvHehJVDEQY%3D&st=2016-08-18T22%3A59%3A54Z&se=2016-08-19T00%3A04%3A54Z&sp=r&gda=1471565094_69657075d237446802108bba8d4e968eThe second game I didn’t retrieve data, later I was banned for 15 seconds, and never been banned since; but it was surely an abusive harsh ban enough to make “me” an honest player who participates and not quit games become infuriated after receiving this response :“Sigh You realize we can see your DNFs in your game history right? I’ve counted 3 in the first column alone.” you people that defend this sorry -Yoink- ban system makes me sick. The only thing that spew from you is basically the word “Habitual Quitter” Im not a quitter by choice but you made me eventually quit halo. Only a dumb person would believe that a 15 second ban is due to habitual quitting; I’m so sick and tired of your delusional perspective. there is no longer any reason to be rational with you people this ban system is by far the most humiliating experience ever in video games…
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> First video: looks like a serious lag issue. Could have been an issue with the dedicated server, or it could have been a local issue with your connection. I can’t seem to find a corresponding Grifball match on Grifball Court with you on Red Team that ends in a DNF on your record; perhaps you can point out which game in your history corresponds to the video? Also, just a point of correction: you got kicked to the Arena menu, not the main menu (this is the main menu).
> Edit: I think I found the corresponding game (this one?). So looking at the game details, it looks like you and one other member of Red Team did not finish that game. The other players on Red Team and Blue Team did finish. This suggests that it was not a dedicated server issue, as not everyone was dropped from the game. In fact, the game filled the spot on Red Team left vacant by you or that other player who DNF. So the game as a whole continued on. Looking at your stats for the game, it’s not immediately suggesting a rage quit (you were positive, at least). So it could have been a local connection issue on your end.
> Second video: link goes to nothing. There is no video to be seen. There is a small video player screen that appears but the play button doesn’t work and the tracking icon doesn’t either.
> I fail to see how video 1 proves that the the system doesn’t search for a pattern. You have played many games, but you do have quite a few DNFs sprinkled throughout your history. Seems to me that the “15 second ban” you recount could have been the system detecting the beginning of what it thought was a pattern, but based on the frequency on your DNFs decided only a short ban was warranted; I don’t know. I’ve never personally been banned, so I don’t know the typical length of first bans that people have. And, if you read carefully, I never directly call anyone a habitual quitter. I simply stated that the system looks for habitual quitting, which is a form of purposeful DNF, as part of its criteria for issuing bans. I have never labeled anyone as a quitter; I have only pointed out what is publicly available in their history, and made speculations based on what was there. So you throwing a hissy fit, pestering me with PMs to respond to you, is immature and unfounded. As stated on the first page of the thread:
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where the -Yoink- did you or your “so called” sophisticated algorithm detect me being dishonest?!? all you are doing here is paraphrasing everything I have stated but somehow you want to label me a liar. you are being so disrespectful, you should leave now because you are not resourceful here you are only defending a broken ban system. I clearly provided evidence that shows the ban system doesn’t truly knows the reason for my DNF’s. even you admit to only speculate to me not being a habitual quitter; however two of us were disconnected simultaneously for some unknown reason, but then you speculated, a server or ISP disconnect issue with no basis of proof. you are very rude for attempting to tie me to dishonesty; there is something wrong with that

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I can’t believe these people can look at my history of DNFs after receiving a 15 second ban and call me a liar! “keep me honest”?!?!?! with no proof of a lie!!! (yet you admit that you don’t believe I’m a habitual quitter; well that doesn’t me a -Yoinking!- liar then?!?) some in community are very disrespectful
This has gone too far I will be very cautious on how to spend my money on halo from this point moving forward…

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If this ban system is applied to the next halo, and people who buys that game gets banned and complains about it; they deserves that ban to the fullest extent by the power of it digging deep into the painful feeling they truly deserves it then, i will have no pity for them then.

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> > > > > > > > > > > Hey. So I just bought an xbox one and Halo 5 last night. After I spent all evening and most of the night downloading and installing updates, I played a couple matches. I went to bed and passed the controller to my brother who went on to play several matches and quit a good portion of them. I didn’t play at all today since I was out of the house. I got on this evening I find myself with a 3 hour ban. Apparently he played even more while I was out today and got banned a few more times.
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> > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering when the bans reset? Because next time I have any infraction (accidental suicide, team kill in swat) I’m gonna be banned for 6+ hours. How long does it take for bans to cool back down to 10 minutes?
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> > > > > > > look, this system is no way as advanced enough to look for patterns as you say, and if this system could "look" it would clearly see that many people are not happy about being banned when this game lags badly.
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> where the -Yoink- did you or your “so called” sophisticated algorithm detect me being dishonest?!? all you are doing here is paraphrasing everything I have stated but somehow you want to label me a liar. you are being so disrespectful, you should leave now because you are not resourceful here you are only defending a broken ban system. I clearly provided evidence that shows the ban system doesn’t truly knows the reason for my DNF’s. even you admit to only speculate to me not being a habitual quitter; however two of us were disconnected simultaneously for some unknown reason, but then you speculated, a server or ISP disconnect issue with no basis of proof. you are very rude for attempting to tie me to dishonesty; there is something wrong with that

So, I didn’t call you anything. Again, I was commenting on us users limitation is what we can do here in the ban thread. We can’t reverse bans. We can only use what info is available to keep each other honest (i.e. see if someone appears to be truthful or if they are full of BS). At no point did I even remotely begin to call you a liar. Where you got that idea is beyond me; feel free to point out where I call you a liar. And “disrespectful”? Yeah, no. I responded to your post and gave it to you straight: that your one working video did not show the banhammer is incapable of detecting patterns. Where did you get the idea that I ever thought the banhammer could determine the reason behind a DNF? I never, ever said that. In fact, I and other helpers on Waypoint have pointed out numerous times that, in the eyes of the banhammer, all DNFs are equal. I never claimed that the banhammer knows the difference between a quit and a disconnect, because it probably doesn’t. It detects patterns of DNFs, and betrayals, and idling, and suicides; detecting patterns is not the same thing as determining the reasons for something.
For someone who, according to what you said earlier, has only ever had a 15 sec ban, you are getting worked up over nothing. I mean, anyone can read the posts you and I have made and see who is being rude to whom. I can’t tell if you are trying to instigate or are legitimately unable to fully comprehend the meaning of my words, so I’ll just recap my points from my last post as plainly and clearly as I can:

  1. Only one of your videos worked.
  2. The working video showed severe lag before you disconnected; probably not a purposeful quit.
  3. Cross referencing the video with your game history shows only 2 people did not finish that game. This suggests that it was not a major server problem.
  4. The video did not prove anything about the pattern-detecting nature of the banhammer. It was just a video of someone lagging and then disconnecting.
  5. Waypoint users are limited in what we can do. Banned players come here thinking they can get the bans reversed. This is not the case. For the most part, users here are only able to view history and draw conclusions based in limited info to keep each other honest. That doesn’t mean I’m calling you a liar; that means, in general, the first thing we check when someone has claimed an unjust ban is their game history to see if it checks out with what they say in their post. Sometimes, there are contradictions between what someone posts here and what their history looks like. Other times, the game history appears normal and without infraction.
    Is the banhammer perfect? No, of course not. It seems pretty strict when it ought not be and not strict enough in other times. I’m not “defending” the banhammer; I am merely using what information is available to try to determine the logic that could be behind why someone got banned. I do this because, while the banhammer isn’t perfect, neither are people, and I am skeptical about anyone who posts here claiming that their ban is entirely not their fault.
    I suggest before responding (if you’re going to) that you take a deep breath and carefully, carefully, read over this reply a second time, and if you find anything I’ve said to be confusing, let me know.