The official Halo 5 "Why was I banned?" thread

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> Not banned yet, was being harrased on many posts by a team, the posted allot of yoink, not really sure but think it was about personal stuff, The one before on same team(thought something was weird so I checked profiles n made notes), so one was saying things like a Halo ring fell on the Diadac n killed him, actually 3 dif reasons and tagged them as spoilers and several other attacks, so I politely sugestted a book on lore and left. Each post was a different violation so I turned in 2 plus then his stats n team were deleted I turned them in #3, an obious attempt to cover it up, another different issue, but after sent it said I could get banned too. So what they can break 50 rules while attacking you and you can turn in only 1 thing? Unbelievable, right, not banned yet but im thinking me n not them???

This thread is related to bans from Halo 5 not forum bans. If you use the search feature you can find a thread called waypoint ban faq. Which gives details. If you have other issues message one of the mods.

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> So not only did I lose 20 champion places from being kicked from the game I was also banned for 3 hours.
> We were winning 13-2 so as you can see we have absolutely no reason to quit out. My friend got kicked out and then about 15 seconds later it kicked me out. We both lost the 30CSR, which at champion rank is a lot to lose. Here is the link to my last played game to show the stats, etc.https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-5-guardians/xbox-one/mode/arena/matches/dcf3a822-3766-4cbe-85fd-262763bd4186/players/oni%20scorpion?gameHistoryMatchIndex=0&gameHistoryGameModeFilter=All
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They aren’t even going to help you , you have valid evidence so they wont comment to intimidate you and feed off your problems. The true people that you go to are the devs, but finding a way to contact them is a pain and they turn out to be absolute sycophants anyway, they enjoy is, like gta support no hope

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> They’re a bunch of -Yoinks!-, there’s nothing we can do anymore, they aren’t like bungie

Excuse me?

Bungie did ban for quits, and if memory serves they had quite sever punishments when you did other things than quitting and disconnecting. Boosting was quite severely looked at, AFKing as well, or betraying.

Someone here, or in another thread, said that Bungie themselves had an official “why was I banned” thread that in which you could appeal your ban, and got told for real why you were banned. Were you to try to get rid of your ban and proven guilty your ban would get doubled. Mind you, this was done officially for everyone to see. I do remember a Bungie ban thread but I never ventured in there that much.

There’s supposidly one developer demanding sincere apology videos from perma banned players in order to be released back in.
Titanfall matches cheaters vs cheaters.
DotA 2 throws you into lower priority matches where there’s an artificial search time increase and no rewards, if I remember correctly. They can also ban you from communicating if you misbehave etc.

No, i343 is not one of those companies, they made their own decisions, but they’re far from the only develiper out there that take different misconduct seriously. They chose to do it the way they chose to.

(Basically every single ToS / ToU is the same except for some phrases and words depending on company, but Bungie too could ban you permanently just for the laugh, never tell you why and have no legal bearing because you’ve accepted it)

Is there something we can do? Sure there is, for starters, those coming here could for instance not flame anyone or anything, and in the cases of contradictory statements (3 day ban for first quit / DC ever ) provide some proof to that.

Second, many here seem to be willing to play against others who quit and such, so if there was enough support from those affected it could perhaps alter the type of punishment, “pick your poison”. Or even a combination of the two systems depending on player population who are flagged etc.

I could start yet another thread on the subject but would need to be sure it’s not going to be locked because this is the only ban-related thread allowed. Yes, I have suggested this many times, since before Reach launched.

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If I am understanding this correctly, It’s cumulative and irreversible no matter how much I correct my behavior?

Then that basically means I need to move onto other games. If my “quitting stats” never reset, then being banned this severely sounds like a natural progression of simply playing the game a lot or for a long period of time. I am guilty of that. I’ve been playing the game almost daily since launch and I’ve been a Halo customer for 10 years. I mean I played 45 games straight “clean” and was banned for 3 days for a single DNF. Previous to that I had played 36 games without a DNF and got banned for 12 hours. It multiplied by previous ban by a factor of 6. To be clear, it was 2 quits over the better part of 100 games; I looked it up. I went from a rare ban now and then to 3 days in a matter of 2 quits over a span of 100 games. It required a lot of clicking “next”, lol. Does anyone really believe that’s fair? It’s so heavy handed that it makes me wonder if Microsoft has another agenda here. Are they trying to get people to move on and buy new games instead? At any rate, that means the next time I DNF I will be banned for weeks and it doesn’t matter how long or how many games I play “clean” for? I could play for 3 years and never DNF but lose power due to a storm one day and BAM… blocked for weeks? It’s totalitarian. Does the ban system work the same for Playstation? I’m honestly going to move back to Call of Duty for next game. I enjoyed Halo this past year but it’s flawed ban system make it too risky to waste good money on.

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Going back to my earlier post in this thread. Yesterday now 17hours ago / 8/13/2016 I had 3 DNFs in War Zone Assault (14:39, 14:04, and 6:38) All three were caused by the Halo 5 system disconnecting me during the start /loading of the game in the cases of 14:39 and 14:04 or during game play in the case of 6:38, This is clearly a system issue. I did not have any internet issues/outages on my side which would have caused the failure and from my gaming history you can plainly see that I did not have a history of DNF’s in the past.

I sincerely hope that this is issue is rectified soon so as not negatively impact overall game play for those of us out there who don’t DNF but was forced out by the system.

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> …banned for 3 days for a single DNF. Previous to that I had played 36 games without a DNF and got banned for 12 hours. It multiplied by previous ban by a factor of 6. To be clear, it was 2 quits over the better part of 100 games; I looked it up. I went from a rare ban now and then to 3 days in a matter of 2 quits over a span of 100 games.

Yes, but you are conveniently omitting the other facts that we already emphasized within this discussion: although you completed a lot of games within one week, you actually had eight DNF matches within a ten day period. I’m sorry, but that is a lot of quitting!

While the Halo community would certainly hate to lose a dedicated fan, the ban hammer system is working as designed. If there was some type of reset or grace period built into the system, people would abuse it in a heartbeat: “Hey, it has been 50 games since I last quit, so now I can do it again whenever I want!” Needless to say, too many players would take advantage of that loophole.

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5k…I’m not conveniently omitting anything. You might be missing what I am trying to say.

First of all, I am not defending quitting. I am for some kind of enforcement policy against habitual quiters. Yes, I have quit games before, but I believe I am not only not a bad quitter but would be willing to bet many people quit more than me. I say that because I know roughly how often I leave a game and I know how often I am in matches where others DNF. I sometimes go DAYS without quitting. To me that seems pretty good. Often when I quit, it is because a couple others have already quit and I’m just getting repeatedly spawn killed, the game is horribly mismatched or there are cheaters or brutal lag or I have to go to work. Does that make it OK to quit?; No! But then again, I don’t feel like I quit a lot. You’re free to disagree, but that is how I feel. I’m going to estimate about 5% based on scrolling thru my history and knowing my behavior in general. Microsoft and 343 don’t provide these stats to you interestingly. If they feel that my 5% ratio is not up to spec, well then I guess this isn’t the game for me. After being quickly elevated to 12 hours and then 3 Days for a single quit in each case, it’s given me pause. I’ve kinda accepted that I can no longer play this game now. I’m not happy about that, but it is what it is. I’ll play without quitting (and hope I don’t get server disconnects or what not…and I do get those too!) until I get to SR 152 since I am so close, but after that I won’t be back for the next game. I’m not saying that for effect. That’s a fact. Halo 5 is my last. I know that nobody on here cares if I stay or leave, but I do also believe Halo is losing a good customer and if they are kicking me out, they are likely going to end up kicking a whole bunch of others like me when they reach my playtime (I am at 19 days and 5 hours played since release!). I played this game and pretty much only this game for most years since the original xbox was released, so I have to admit, it sucks a little, but then again, I spend most of my free time training for Ironman. I race in a week and with all that free time after I will find something else. I’m going to predict that 343’s aggressive stance comes back to bite them in the -Yoink- for next game. If this banhammer system really can’t be fixed and you can’t improve your record as others have said in this forum, then I suspect before the next game comes out (2018) that a lot of others will have been removed from the game and they’ll also have moved on to other games. Microsoft will lose req pack revenue and their client base will have shrunk and the people at 343…well, they should be worried about that prospect!

DD.

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In the big scheme of things I understand your frustration, but the bottom line is as follows:

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> Does that make it OK to quit?; No!

Ultimately, you already knew that there were rules against quitting before you started down this path, but you continued to do it repeatedly. Using the rationale that “I don’t feel like I quit a lot” doesn’t make that behavior any less inappropriate, and I can only assume that you thought that the penalties for regularly breaking the rules couldn’t be too bad. That was a very unfortunate assumption to make.

I have completed over 2700 matchmaking games and logged more than 24 days of play time in Halo 5, and have yet to find a compelling reason to quit in the middle of a match. It isn’t a coincidence that I have never been banned.

As I said before, the Halo community would certainly hate to lose a dedicated fan but while the ban hammer system is imperfect, in your case it is working as designed. It is supposed to catch people who quit too often, and that includes you.

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> In the big scheme of things I understand your frustration, but the bottom line is as follows:
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> As I said before, the Halo community would certainly hate to lose a dedicated fan but while the ban hammer system is imperfect, in your case it is working as designed. It is supposed to catch people who quit too often, and that includes you.

Again, I’ll disagree with you on the concept of “often”

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> Again, I’ll disagree with you on the concept of “often”

Of course, you are more than welcome to disagree. But please keep in mind that just because you play a lot doesn’t mean that you don’t quit too often!

The rules behind the ban hammer system are there to warn you against quitting in the middle of any matches. You seem to feel that there should be a grace period or a designated allotment of acceptable quits, but that isn’t the case. The rules say that you are not supposed to quit in the middle of a match, period! There isn’t a clause that says as long as you quit less than five percent of your matches, you will be fine. You seem to adamantly disagree with that principle and while you are obviously entitled to your opinion, the system doesn’t work like that.

Once again, I have completed over 2700 matches, have never quit, and have never been banned. Not a coincidence.

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> > Not banned yet, was being harrased on many posts by a team, the posted allot of yoink, not really sure but think it was about personal stuff, The one before on same team(thought something was weird so I checked profiles n made notes), so one was saying things like a Halo ring fell on the Diadac n killed him, actually 3 dif reasons and tagged them as spoilers and several other attacks, so I politely sugestted a book on lore and left. Each post was a different violation so I turned in 2 plus then his stats n team were deleted I turned them in #3, an obious attempt to cover it up, another different issue, but after sent it said I could get banned too. So what they can break 50 rules while attacking you and you can turn in only 1 thing? Unbelievable, right, not banned yet but im thinking me n not them???
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> This thread is related to bans from Halo 5 not forum bans. If you use the search feature you can find a thread called waypoint ban faq. Which gives details. If you have other issues message one of the mods.

Thank you but I also cc 22 killed times by teamates inlast wz, 343 never built in a way to ban these guys, why? I ve never quit a Halo game ever. The last game I assasined the Wardon, guess what a DNF. After a wz game u want to rest, but the game wont let you w\o a dnf. Whats that about?? Forum or game its stll H5 but yea ive never ever quit once in my entire life but I show dnfs many of which I was the board leader, oh yea I want a dnf instead, One last time, Ive never quit any game like Halo while ingame in my entire life so why do 5 of my last 8 games show as a dnf?? halo has a real promblem here including their carnagge reports being wrong as I have recorded game the the report is so far off. So if uv been banned for a dnf, ill take your word over Halos anyday, btw. never been banned never in 20 years. God help you if ur disabled n have to piddle!

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> > > Not banned yet, was being harrased on many posts by a team, the posted allot of yoink, not really sure but think it was about personal stuff, The one before on same team(thought something was weird so I checked profiles n made notes), so one was saying things like a Halo ring fell on the Diadac n killed him, actually 3 dif reasons and tagged them as spoilers and several other attacks, so I politely sugestted a book on lore and left. Each post was a different violation so I turned in 2 plus then his stats n team were deleted I turned them in #3, an obious attempt to cover it up, another different issue, but after sent it said I could get banned too. So what they can break 50 rules while attacking you and you can turn in only 1 thing? Unbelievable, right, not banned yet but im thinking me n not them???
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> Thank you but I also cc 22 killed times by teamates inlast wz, I ve never quit a Halo game ever. The last game I assasined the Wardon, guess what a DNF. After a wz game u want to rest, but the game wont let you w\o a dnf. Whats that about?? Forum or game its stll H5 but yea ive never ever quit once in my entire life but I show dnfs many of which I was the board leader, oh yea I want a dnf instead, halo has a real promblem here. God help you if ur disabled n have to piddle!

As far as Halo 5 goes, 343 were clear since before the game was released about the things that ill result in bans; Griefing, quitting, Afking, and excessive disconnects. You are giving a warning every time you click on a playlist. You can also use the restroom before the match.

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> > > Not banned yet, was being harrased on many posts by a team, the posted allot of yoink, not really sure but think it was about personal stuff, The one before on same team(thought something was weird so I checked profiles n made notes), so one was saying things like a Halo ring fell on the Diadac n killed him, actually 3 dif reasons and tagged them as spoilers and several other attacks, so I politely sugestted a book on lore and left. Each post was a different violation so I turned in 2 plus then his stats n team were deleted I turned them in #3, an obious attempt to cover it up, another different issue, but after sent it said I could get banned too. So what they can break 50 rules while attacking you and you can turn in only 1 thing? Unbelievable, right, not banned yet but im thinking me n not them???
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> Thank you but I also cc 22 killed times by teamates inlast wz, 343 never built in a way to ban these guys, why? I ve never quit a Halo game ever. The last game I assasined the Wardon, guess what a DNF. After a wz game u want to rest, but the game wont let you w\o a dnf. Whats that about?? Forum or game its stll H5 but yea ive never ever quit once in my entire life but I show dnfs many of which I was the board leader, oh yea I want a dnf instead, One last time, Ive never quit any game like Halo while ingame in my entire life so why do 5 of my last 8 games show as a dnf?? halo has a real promblem here including their carnagge reports being wrong as I have recorded game the the report is so far off. So if uv been banned for a dnf, ill take your word over Halos anyday, btw. never been banned never in 20 years. God help you if ur disabled n have to piddle!

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Copying this from the thread I created that was locked:

Hi 343,After completing one free-for-all match successfully tonight, i was booted out of my second one for supposedly leaving the fireteam. Immediately after, I was hit with the banhammer.Any help on this would be appreciated.Thank you.

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> > > > Not banned yet, was being harrased on many posts by a team, the posted allot of yoink, not really sure but think it was about personal stuff, The one before on same team(thought something was weird so I checked profiles n made notes), so one was saying things like a Halo ring fell on the Diadac n killed him, actually 3 dif reasons and tagged them as spoilers and several other attacks, so I politely sugestted a book on lore and left. Each post was a different violation so I turned in 2 plus then his stats n team were deleted I turned them in #3, an obious attempt to cover it up, another different issue, but after sent it said I could get banned too. So what they can break 50 rules while attacking you and you can turn in only 1 thing? Unbelievable, right, not banned yet but im thinking me n not them???
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Hey dude, I truly dont mean to sound or be rude, but you have no idea about a disabled person, wz 22 mins and so on, dont think umeant o be insulting but it was, ok my friend,;~}

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Hello comedy, never seen your profile ok, but Id bet by your post u r a very kind person, probably luv music too, but i think u r young, be a good guy and represent yourself or 343 and voluteer to work w\disabled people, u would be shocked at how many play games and r amazing, I know ur a good guy so try it. take care n be well,;~}

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The banhammer needs major fixing. Getting banhammered for reporting a cheat and voice comm insult (game system did a full reset after i reported the cheat) for 8 hours and change only to find a 16 hour banhammer strike as soon as the first one finished. now I have a 24 hour one for quiting too many arena matches and i was in a warzone match. So tell me if the banhammer needs seriously fixed or not. btw this is about a month after a 45 minute banhammer hit me. a massive jump is impossible to begin with if the ban hammer was working right.

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btw one match i played today the Carnage report and stats vanished completely

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This is a horrible thing to put in a game especially when there are situations that isn’t in the users control. For example, the last three nights i have repeatedly been kicked from a game saying my fire team has changed. This was shown to the halo server as leaving the game. However, it was the servers fault that i left the game not mine. Now i must wait an hour to get back on. I understand they want to make it harder for individuals to cheat or leave and etc. However, it is not acceptable for situations that are not in the users control. I’d rather not have this feature at all in my opinion or if it is a must to some implement it, but make it a lot more less strict. Agree anyone?

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> Hi 343,After completing one free-for-all match successfully tonight, i was booted out of my second one for supposedly leaving the fireteam. Immediately after, I was hit with the banhammer.Any help on this would be appreciated.Thank you.

YESSSS! So was I?