So in the new Vidoc, we were shown a quite large UNSC fleet, consisting of The UNSC Infinity, accompanied by several Marathon class Cruisers. Humanity has been hammer on nail after the war haven’t they? According to Halo evolution, in the short story at the end from Dr. William Arthur Iqbal of the department of Xenoarchaeological studies, Humanity’s fleet is the size as it was when Humanity sent the Odyssey to the inner colonies, and early colonization, which is a small fleet. Not only that, but the population of Humanity is decimated, leaving not a lot of Humans left. Who is crewing all of these large Capital-ship class ships? A.I.? But as we know from The Fall of Reach, A.I.'s were rare and hard to come by. Has Forerunner and covenant technology sped the amount of time it takes in dry dock?
Those ships are most likely to be Halcyon-Class Cruisers. Humanity is estimated to be around 16 billion people post war. This is only an estimation based on Dr. Halsey’s statement of 39 billion in 2511 and Cortana’s statement of 23 billion killed as of 2552. This is only an estimation because it doesn’t factor in population growth between 2511 and 2552. Still, out of 16 billion people you can bet they would find volunteers to enlist.
There were huge losses but humanity numbered in the tens of billions on hundreds of worlds before the war. Not every planet was hit.
You’d expect the UNSC would focus on rebuilding and defence after so much loss.
Same thing could be asked about the Sangheili, a race which out populated humanity (must likely), was light years beyond humans, had engineers aboard every literally every ship, in every military company, in every sangheili city, colony, planet, etc.
And yet!
And YET! They loose most, if not all of them some how, even though they had no means of transportation or survival in space, and not a single one of the sangheili know how to fix a -Yoinking!- ship. I can understand that they were warriors, but do the writers understand that even standard grunts in the US army can do some form of battlefield repairs? Not to mention Sangheili who were engineers.
But yeah, it seems like Karen Traviss and 343 in general has some how managed to break canon so now its not even worth mentioning what happens in halo 4, 5, and 6 other then “Yeah they found the cheif… and they beat some more aliens… yeah…”.
And to correct you OP, those are Halcyon class cruisers, not marathon class- which yeah, also makes no sense because Halcyon class ships were old, retired, and expensive.
> Those ships are most likely to be Halcyon-Class Cruisers. Humanity is estimated to be around 16 billion people post war. This is only an estimation based on Dr. Halsey’s statement of 39 billion in 2511 and Cortana’s statement of 23 billion killed as of 2552. This is only an estimation because it doesn’t factor in population growth between 2511 and 2552. Still, out of 16 billion people you can bet they would find volunteers to enlist.
I would like to agree with that, but people would be afraid to fight after coming out of a 30 year war, and would rather focus on rebuilding and connecting Human civilization together again. (Which is why Lord Hood went on a “victory” cruise run and told any colony he could that they were still on the UNSC’s side and they should or else.
I guess that with the threat of elites ships would be re-built and defenses would be up, but Military enlistment would be way down. Three-four years shouldn’t be enough time to construct capital ships in the UNSC’s fleet. Not after coming off of Infinity.
> Same thing could be asked about the Sangheili, a race which out populated humanity (must likely), was light years beyond humans, had engineers aboard every literally every ship, in every military company, in every sangheili city, colony, planet, etc.
> And yet!
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> And YET! They loose most, if not all of them some how, even though they had no means of transportation or survival in space, and not a single one of the sangheili know how to fix a -Yoinking!- ship. I can understand that they were warriors, but do the writers understand that even standard grunts in the US army can do some form of battlefield repairs? Not to mention Sangheili who were engineers.
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> But yeah, it seems like Karen Traviss and 343 in general has some how managed to break canon so now its not even worth mentioning what happens in halo 4, 5, and 6 other then “Yeah they found the cheif… and they beat some more aliens… yeah…”.
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> And to correct you OP, those are Halcyon class cruisers, not marathon class- which yeah, also makes no sense because Halcyon class ships were old, retired, and expensive.
Thanks for spotting that they’re Halcyon ships. Ya, it bugs me too, that after coming off the Infinity they have the resources to come off of rebuilding worlds to just construct Huge ships in the span of three-four years. I guess its a suspension of disbelief for me. It just seems to little of time. Truth be told, I think Halo four should take place further down the time line, like ten to twenty years.
> Same thing could be asked about the Sangheili, a race which out populated humanity (must likely), was light years beyond humans, had engineers aboard every literally every ship, in every military company, in every sangheili city, colony, planet, etc.
> And yet!
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> And YET! They loose most, if not all of them some how, even though they had no means of transportation or survival in space, and not a single one of the sangheili know how to fix a -Yoinking!- ship. I can understand that they were warriors, but do the writers understand that even standard grunts in the US army can do some form of battlefield repairs? Not to mention Sangheili who were engineers.
Well that’s irrelevant and kind of offensive.
You speak about a completely different culture from another species completely missing the point that these tasks were seen as below them. The skillsets to run their society have been outsourced for generations.
Also you infer grunts are stupid. Nice job…
> And YET! They loose most, if not all of them some how, even though they had no means of transportation or survival in space, and not a single one of the sangheili know how to fix a -Yoinking!- ship. I can understand that they were warriors, but do the writers understand that <mark>even standard grunts in the US army can do some form of battlefield repairs</mark>? Not to mention Sangheili who were engineers.
Battlefield REPAIRS. Repairing your equipment in the field is one thing but what happens when you can longer repair them? Can the standard grunt in the field manufacture new equipment? Hell no they can’t. I’m sure they could learn but it would take time. This is the Elites problem, they need to get their act together and they can’t do it as quickly as Humanity can. Humans will rebuild at an incredible rate and soon dominate over the Elites. This scares the hell out of them because after 27 years of genocide, revenge starts to look like a real possibility.
> > Those ships are most likely to be Halcyon-Class Cruisers. Humanity is estimated to be around 16 billion people post war. This is only an estimation based on Dr. Halsey’s statement of 39 billion in 2511 and Cortana’s statement of 23 billion killed as of 2552. This is only an estimation because it doesn’t factor in population growth between 2511 and 2552. Still, out of 16 billion people you can bet they would find volunteers to enlist.
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> I would like to agree with that, but people would be afraid to fight after coming out of a 30 year war, and would rather focus on rebuilding and connecting Human civilization together again. (Which is why Lord Hood went on a “victory” cruise run and told any colony he could that they were still on the UNSC’s side and they should or else.
> I guess that with the threat of elites ships would be re-built and defenses would be up, but Military enlistment would be way down. Three-four years shouldn’t be enough time to construct capital ships in the UNSC’s fleet. Not after coming off of Infinity.
And part of rebuilding is building a strong military for defensive purposes. The threat of Alien attack is still real. They could also enact a Draft to replenish their numbers. As for the Halcyons, they would have already been built. Cortana said the Halcyons were placed in storage and reactivated when needed. This is where the Pillar of Autumn came from and she proved that the Halcyons when upgraded with modern tech could really hold their own. If the UNSC needed new cruisers that badly, they could have easily pulled these ships out of mothballs and gave them some upgrades to get them spaceworthy as soon as possible. Much faster than building new ships from scratch.
Huragoks are there to help repair and build. Also, drafting civilians? That would make more people join the innies!
It’s also not like the entirety of human civilization only had Earth left.
> > And YET! They loose most, if not all of them some how, even though they had no means of transportation or survival in space, and not a single one of the sangheili know how to fix a -Yoinking!- ship. I can understand that they were warriors, but do the writers understand that <mark>even standard grunts in the US army can do some form of battlefield repairs</mark>? Not to mention Sangheili who were engineers.
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> Battlefield REPAIRS. Repairing your equipment in the field is one thing but what happens when you can longer repair them? Can the standard grunt in the field manufacture new equipment? Hell no they can’t. I’m sure they could learn but it would take time. This is the Elites problem, they need to get their act together and they can’t do it as quickly as Humanity can. Humans will rebuild at an incredible rate and soon dominate over the Elites. This scares the hell out of them because after 27 years of genocide, revenge starts to look like a real possibility.
Yes but I’m taking about regular grunts, they can make little repairs to ghosts, revs, etc and thats just individual soldiers. The Sangheili as a whole which has A: a bigger population then Humanity, B: More colonies, C: Had so many engineers they were onboard everyship, in every military company, in every city, on every planet had them. Saying they all disappeared is about as absurd as saying “All Construction workers, all mechanics, and all scientists disappeared from earth over night with no trace.” I mean really, I can see some of them disappearing in the civil war, but so many that they became extremely rare? Seriously?
And that’s not even to mention how the Infinity being build pre human-covenant war would have been canceled during the war because at the time since it was before they found any forerunner relics (except for possibly finding the one on Reach) they were just building a big… useless… kinda strong… ship… I mean really, they would have canceled the construction (most likely) when the covenant took harvest.
And considering the fact that about a 1/4 of the earth has been glassed, most of the colonies are glassed, the remaining colonies are on the verge of open revolt, how could they possibly build the Infinity (With forerunner upgrades after know about the forerunners for what, a year? Two? And then the construction of a massive fleet for the Infinity that consists of light frigates and old Halcyon class cruisers (Which are not only expensive but use a massive amount of resources for the redundant honeycomb super structure.
> Same thing could be asked about the Sangheili, a race which out populated humanity (must likely), was light years beyond humans, had engineers aboard every literally every ship, in every military company, in every sangheili city, colony, planet, etc.
> And yet!
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> And YET! They loose most, if not all of them some how, even though they had no means of transportation or survival in space, and not a single one of the sangheili know how to fix a -Yoinking!- ship. I can understand that they were warriors, but do the writers understand that even standard grunts in the US army can do some form of battlefield repairs? Not to mention Sangheili who were engineers.
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> But yeah, it seems like Karen Traviss and 343 in general has some how managed to break canon so now its not even worth mentioning what happens in halo 4, 5, and 6 other then “Yeah they found the cheif… and they beat some more aliens… yeah…”.
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> And to correct you OP, those are Halcyon class cruisers, not marathon class- which yeah, also makes no sense because Halcyon class ships were old, retired, and expensive.
Can you give a source for Engineers being in every single part of Sangheili culture and lifestyle? The Main Place the Engineers would have been located was High Charity which was overrun and Destroyed.
It has been established for 8+ years now that the Elites were told to focus on defending the covenant while the San Shyuum would deal with the Technological advancements. So for them not to know how to fix a toilet 3,000 years later is completely sensible and part of the story that is being taught.
Try to understand what the canon is before running around making uneducated statements about how it isn’t being followed.
> > Same thing could be asked about the Sangheili, a race which out populated humanity (must likely), was light years beyond humans, had engineers aboard every literally every ship, in every military company, in every sangheili city, colony, planet, etc.
> > And yet!
> >
> > And YET! They loose most, if not all of them some how, even though they had no means of transportation or survival in space, and not a single one of the sangheili know how to fix a -Yoinking!- ship. I can understand that they were warriors, but do the writers understand that even standard grunts in the US army can do some form of battlefield repairs? Not to mention Sangheili who were engineers.
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> > But yeah, it seems like Karen Traviss and 343 in general has some how managed to break canon so now its not even worth mentioning what happens in halo 4, 5, and 6 other then “Yeah they found the cheif… and they beat some more aliens… yeah…”.
> >
> > And to correct you OP, those are Halcyon class cruisers, not marathon class- which yeah, also makes no sense because Halcyon class ships were old, retired, and expensive.
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> Can you give a source for Engineers being in every single part of Sangheili culture and lifestyle? The Main Place the Engineers would have been located was High Charity which was overrun and Destroyed.
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> It has been established for 8+ years now that the Elites were told to focus on defending the covenant while the San Shyuum would deal with the Technological advancements. So for them not to know how to fix a toilet 3,000 years later is completely sensible and part of the story that is being taught.
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> Try to understand what the canon is before running around making uneducated statements about how it isn’t being followed.
Alright, if the engineers were only in High Charity, how did the Sangheili build, operate, and maintain their cities, forts, and installations?
And no, it is hardly understandable, as I stated before they had to know how actually function when not in combat, if they don’t even know how to fix a toilet then how do they know, say, to activate a plasma grenade?
And I thought I was established for 8+ years that Sangheili were superior to humans when it came to intelligence and yet a language professor could beat them at a simple puzzle?
And I’m pretty confident the engineers were in most places considering the sangheili were unable to do basic chores after they left, unless of course they were mainly on High charity and the Sangheili got a sudden case of Amnesia after the civil war.
> Same thing could be asked about the Sangheili, a race which out populated humanity (must likely), was light years beyond humans, had engineers aboard every literally every ship, in every military company, in every sangheili city, colony, planet, etc.
> And yet!
>
> And YET! They loose most, if not all of them some how, even though they had no means of transportation or survival in space, and not a single one of the sangheili know how to fix a -Yoinking!- ship. I can understand that they were warriors, but do the writers understand that even standard grunts in the US army can do some form of battlefield repairs? Not to mention Sangheili who were engineers.
>
> But yeah, it seems like Karen Traviss and 343 in general has some how managed to break canon so now its not even worth mentioning what happens in halo 4, 5, and 6 other then “Yeah they found the cheif… and they beat some more aliens… yeah…”.
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> And to correct you OP, those are Halcyon class cruisers, not marathon class- which yeah, also makes no sense because Halcyon class ships were old, retired, and expensive.
You should look into a bit more lore… there are explanations for nearly everything you talked about.
It wasn’t the Elite’s fault that the Covenant didn’t train them in the engineering field.
The Covenant is split into different things. Each species seemed to be given a more centralized role.
The Elites were tasked with defense and military. While there were some Elite engineers, that wasn’t how they were used.
The Drones and Engineers were the onces who did repairs and upgrades, and they (at least the Drones) were likely present on most vessals in sizable numbers. That caused the need for Elite engineers or workers to go down, so theElites could focus on being the military commanders and warriors at the Prophet’s will.
The Elite race was a warrior race. Thats how its been for thousands of years, ever since they came under the Prophet’s command. They were not instructed in gardening, planting, repairing, or science. They were warriors, and the Prophets made sure of that.
When the Elites separated, their society collasping from the split, and their fleets and numbers decreasing with the war on multiple fronts, against Humans and now Brutes/Prophets, they found themselves stuck in a time where they need to supply for themselves… so.ething that hasn’t really happened for thousands of years. They’ve depended on the Prophets for technology, Engineers and Drones for repairs, likely Grunts used to harvest and deliver food throughout the empire.
This is different then the US Army. The Covenant is different. The Elites have been warriors primarily warriors and commanders for thousands of years.
And what? I know Karen has been a bit odd with some of the lore, but 343i hasn’t really been doing much that wrong. They haven’t broke canon… just adding on to known things, explaining known things, and creating canon.
Halo 4, 5, 6… Glasslands… how are they breaking canon that wasn’t there? They aren’treally messing with old things, just expanding on them to connect everything and create a new story.
“Yeah… they found Chief… and beat some more aliens…” Wow. Is that even worth a response? That shows you have clearly not been up to date with current lore. Especially from the Forerunner Trilogy. The story behind the Reclaimer Trilogy is much more in depth than you apparently realize. More in depth than the original trilogy. The main story started from secrets made during the Forerunner Flood War and earlier. 100,000+ years. It is definetly not “they found chief and killed some aliens”.
Again… did you realize how effective upgraded Halyons were? Or how few ships theUNSC really had left? These Halcyons were no doubt refitted, similar to the Pillar of Autumn. That would be why they’re escorting Infinity.
> > > Same thing could be asked about the Sangheili, a race which out populated humanity (must likely), was light years beyond humans, had engineers aboard every literally every ship, in every military company, in every sangheili city, colony, planet, etc.
> > > And yet!
> > >
> > > And YET! They loose most, if not all of them some how, even though they had no means of transportation or survival in space, and not a single one of the sangheili know how to fix a -Yoinking!- ship. I can understand that they were warriors, but do the writers understand that even standard grunts in the US army can do some form of battlefield repairs? Not to mention Sangheili who were engineers.
> > >
> > > But yeah, it seems like Karen Traviss and 343 in general has some how managed to break canon so now its not even worth mentioning what happens in halo 4, 5, and 6 other then “Yeah they found the cheif… and they beat some more aliens… yeah…”.
> > >
> > > And to correct you OP, those are Halcyon class cruisers, not marathon class- which yeah, also makes no sense because Halcyon class ships were old, retired, and expensive.
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> > Can you give a source for Engineers being in every single part of Sangheili culture and lifestyle? The Main Place the Engineers would have been located was High Charity which was overrun and Destroyed.
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> > It has been established for 8+ years now that the Elites were told to focus on defending the covenant while the San Shyuum would deal with the Technological advancements. So for them not to know how to fix a toilet 3,000 years later is completely sensible and part of the story that is being taught.
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> >
> > Try to understand what the canon is before running around making uneducated statements about how it isn’t being followed.
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> Alright, if the engineers were only in High Charity, how did the Sangheili build, operate, and maintain their cities, forts, and installations?
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> And no, it is hardly understandable, as I stated before they had to know how actually function when not in combat, if they don’t even know how to fix a toilet then how do they know, say, to activate a plasma grenade?
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> And I thought I was established for 8+ years that Sangheili were superior to humans when it came to intelligence and yet a language professor could beat them at a simple puzzle?
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> And I’m pretty confident the engineers were in most places considering the sangheili were unable to do basic chores after they left, unless of course they were mainly on High charity and the Sangheili got a sudden case of Amnesia after the civil war.
I didn’t say they were only on high charity I said [u[mainly in respons to your comment about them being everywhere with the elites. The Grunts would tend to majority of the issues you brought up along with the Drones.
Pressing a button is completely different than fixing anything -_-
just because you are confident about something doesn’t make it true.What you are saying doesn’t even make sense because if Engineers were that widespread than there would still be some at the locations you brought up. The Grunts were the workers not the engineers.
*lol what? It has been established that humans were smarter and showed more ingenuity than the covenant races which depend on technology and numbers instead of tactics.
> > Same thing could be asked about the Sangheili, a race which out populated humanity (must likely), was light years beyond humans, had engineers aboard every literally every ship, in every military company, in every sangheili city, colony, planet, etc.
> > And yet!
> >
> > And YET! They loose most, if not all of them some how, even though they had no means of transportation or survival in space, and not a single one of the sangheili know how to fix a -Yoinking!- ship. I can understand that they were warriors, but do the writers understand that even standard grunts in the US army can do some form of battlefield repairs? Not to mention Sangheili who were engineers.
> >
> > But yeah, it seems like Karen Traviss and 343 in general has some how managed to break canon so now its not even worth mentioning what happens in halo 4, 5, and 6 other then “Yeah they found the cheif… and they beat some more aliens… yeah…”.
> >
> > And to correct you OP, those are Halcyon class cruisers, not marathon class- which yeah, also makes no sense because Halcyon class ships were old, retired, and expensive.
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> You should look into a bit more lore… there are explanations for nearly everything you talked about.
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> It wasn’t the Elite’s fault that the Covenant didn’t train them in the engineering field.
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> The Covenant is split into different things. Each species seemed to be given a more centralized role.
> The Elites were tasked with defense and military. While there were some Elite engineers, that wasn’t how they were used.
> The Drones and Engineers were the onces who did repairs and upgrades, and they (at least the Drones) were likely present on most vessals in sizable numbers. That caused the need for Elite engineers or workers to go down, so theElites could focus on being the military commanders and warriors at the Prophet’s will.
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> The Elite race was a warrior race. Thats how its been for thousands of years, ever since they came under the Prophet’s command. They were not instructed in gardening, planting, repairing, or science. They were warriors, and the Prophets made sure of that.
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> When the Elites separated, their society collasping from the split, and their fleets and numbers decreasing with the war on multiple fronts, against Humans and now Brutes/Prophets, they found themselves stuck in a time where they need to supply for themselves… so.ething that hasn’t really happened for thousands of years. They’ve depended on the Prophets for technology, Engineers and Drones for repairs, likely Grunts used to harvest and deliver food throughout the empire.
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> This is different then the US Army. The Covenant is different. The Elites have been warriors primarily warriors and commanders for thousands of years.
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> And what? I know Karen has been a bit odd with some of the lore, but 343i hasn’t really been doing much that wrong. They haven’t broke canon… just adding on to known things, explaining known things, and creating canon.
> Halo 4, 5, 6… Glasslands… how are they breaking canon that wasn’t there? They aren’treally messing with old things, just expanding on them to connect everything and create a new story.
> “Yeah… they found Chief… and beat some more aliens…” Wow. Is that even worth a response? That shows you have clearly not been up to date with current lore. Especially from the Forerunner Trilogy. The story behind the Reclaimer Trilogy is much more in depth than you apparently realize. More in depth than the original trilogy. The main story started from secrets made during the Forerunner Flood War and earlier. 100,000+ years. It is definetly not “they found chief and killed some aliens”.
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> Again… did you realize how effective upgraded Halyons were? Or how few ships theUNSC really had left? These Halcyons were no doubt refitted, similar to the Pillar of Autumn. That would be why they’re escorting Infinity.
- No -Yoink- they split into different roles, but the fact remains that no one, not even an alien race would have have their warriors be completely unable to live when not in combat, again either they would have been able to do some basic repairs on the battlefield, they would not be able to function as an army if they relied on one race (which as most of you claim) were extremely rare in the covenant to repair their vehicles, ships, etc etc.
And how does my statement show I’m not up to date on the recently retconned canon? If elites are now dead in the water (despite evidence against it), and humanity is now armed with a ship the size of a covenant super carrier (which can destroy a planet…) and is armed with superior forerunner tech.
Not only is the Infinity useless tactically unsound, but its only real purpose is to find Master Chief!
Now, lets see, you have a fleet of old, expensive cruisers, a 5 mile long ship that is stronger then a covenant super carrier, and a whole new breed of spartans vs… one forerunner commander (or didact) with an army of automated soldiers… sure… that’s not an unfair fight aswell…
(From here, this looks like pretty bad story writing, the most powerful alliance in the galaxy is gone and dead in the water because of a civil war (Seriously, how did the covenant break apart after that? the Sangheili would have taken the role of the prophets and the brutes and the rest would have fallen in, its not that hard, even for a few thousand years of religious belief), and the UNSC some how (again) built a giant ship using forerunner tech that they found from reach onward (which is what, about a year?) and refit a fleet of Halcyon class ships- after all of that they weren’t bankrupt or facing numerous revolts from their last handful of colonies.
Over all sure, this fight is extremely one sided and they’ve already purposely crippled all of humanities other enemies so they can focus on some story with the forerunners which completely ruins the mystique of the forerunners that they had for 3 games only to end with “You ARE forerunner!” (Which then gets retconned by Cryptum).
Tl;dr the story looks pretty bad, they had a lot of potential and shot it to hell… they can still do some pretty epic stuff… but I am having some doubts imo…
> 1. No Yoink! they split into different roles, but the fact remains that no one, not even an alien race would have have their warriors be completely unable to live when not in combat, again either they would have been able to do some basic repairs on the battlefield, they would not be able to function as an army if they relied on one race (which as most of you claim) were extremely rare in the covenant to repair their vehicles, ships, etc etc.
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> And how does my statement show I’m not up to date on the recently retconned canon? If elites are now dead in the water (despite evidence against it), and humanity is now armed with a ship the size of a covenant super carrier (which can destroy a planet…) and is armed with superior forerunner tech.
> Not only is the Infinity useless tactically unsound, but its only real purpose is to find Master Chief!
>
> Now, lets see, you have a fleet of old, expensive cruisers, a 5 mile long ship that is stronger then a covenant super carrier, and a whole new breed of spartans vs… one forerunner commander (or didact) with an army of automated soldiers… sure… that’s not an unfair fight aswell…
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> (From here, this looks like pretty bad story writing, the most powerful alliance in the galaxy is gone and dead in the water because of a civil war (Seriously, how did the covenant break apart after that? the Sangheili would have taken the role of the prophets and the brutes and the rest would have fallen in, its not that hard, even for a few thousand years of religious belief), and the UNSC some how (again) built a giant ship using forerunner tech that they found from reach onward (which is what, about a year?) and refit a fleet of Halcyon class ships- after all of that they weren’t bankrupt or facing numerous revolts from their last handful of colonies.
> Over all sure, this fight is extremely one sided and they’ve already purposely crippled all of humanities other enemies so they can focus on some story with the forerunners which completely ruins the mystique of the forerunners that they had for 3 games only to end with “You ARE forerunner!” (Which then gets retconned by Cryptum).
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> Tl;dr the story looks pretty bad, they had a lot of potential and shot it to hell… they can still do some pretty epic stuff… but I am having some doubts imo…
You aren’t understanding that the covenant have never used logically reasoning not to mention they are aliens so their logic is different from ours. The Elites didn’t have to worry about anything because the Prophets dealt with the tech while the lesser races dealt with everything else. All the Elites were to do is fight, this has been brought up in some form in nearly every novel. But this is heavily brought up in Contact Harvest,Ghost of Onyx, Glasslands, And The Thursday War. So you might want to start listing your sources that imply the Elites have been taking care of themselves or whatever you are attempting to argue for.
Can i Get a source saying or even remotely implying that one super carrier can destroy a planet? I know there isn’t one since that isn’t true so you are merely making up and exaggerating your statements to try and make it look like 343I doesn’t know what they are doing because you aren’t up to date and don’t understand.
How about you don’t talk about halo 4 (or any other par of canon for that matter) until you actually know what it entails and have even the slightest understanding of what you are talking about. Because your rants that stem from you being uninformed don’t have any merit.
> 1. No Yoink! they split into different roles, but the fact remains that no one, not even an alien race would have have their warriors be completely unable to live when not in combat, again either they would have been able to do some basic repairs on the battlefield, they would not be able to function as an army if they relied on one race (which as most of you claim) were extremely rare in the covenant to repair their vehicles, ships, etc etc.
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> And how does my statement show I’m not up to date on the recently retconned canon? If elites are now dead in the water (despite evidence against it), and humanity is now armed with a ship the size of a covenant super carrier (which can destroy a planet…) and is armed with superior forerunner tech.
> Not only is the Infinity useless tactically unsound, but its only real purpose is to find Master Chief!
>
> Now, lets see, you have a fleet of old, expensive cruisers, a 5 mile long ship that is stronger then a covenant super carrier, and a whole new breed of spartans vs… one forerunner commander (or didact) with an army of automated soldiers… sure… that’s not an unfair fight aswell…
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> (From here, this looks like pretty bad story writing, the most powerful alliance in the galaxy is gone and dead in the water because of a civil war (Seriously, how did the covenant break apart after that? the Sangheili would have taken the role of the prophets and the brutes and the rest would have fallen in, its not that hard, even for a few thousand years of religious belief), and the UNSC some how (again) built a giant ship using forerunner tech that they found from reach onward (which is what, about a year?) and refit a fleet of Halcyon class ships- after all of that they weren’t bankrupt or facing numerous revolts from their last handful of colonies.
> Over all sure, this fight is extremely one sided and they’ve already purposely crippled all of humanities other enemies so they can focus on some story with the forerunners which completely ruins the mystique of the forerunners that they had for 3 games only to end with “You ARE forerunner!” (Which then gets retconned by Cryptum).
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> Tl;dr the story looks pretty bad, they had a lot of potential and shot it to hell… they can still do some pretty epic stuff… but I am having some doubts imo…
Have you met the Covenant?
The ones lead by Prophets who nearly led them all to suicide for supposed religious transendence? They don’t make good ideas.
It was the Prophets. The Prophets needed to secure their power, make sure they stay protected.
To do that, they often misguided their empire.
They put the Elites as the defenders of the Prophets and commanders of their military. Thats what they were instructed to focus on.
They split up their empire into primarily a military empire, but still keeping the Elites as top commanders and defenders. The other races would handle other things.
Its clever actually. Each species was led to believe that they would always need and have each other and depend on each other until their salvation comes. They would be able to focus on their respective duties, making an organized empire, easily used.
Each species, with their roles and cut positions, wouldn’t be able to singlehandedly take power from the Prophets. They would need each other, which is what the Prophets need to happen.
Evidence against it? The Eliteswere a warrior race, serving under the Prophets for thousands of years. They just got betrayed and separated, their fleets confiscated, their warriors excecuted. They barely got a hold of the situation at High Charity. They barely made it out of the war, now having to go home and re-learn their old ways of life without relying on the Covenant. If that doesn’t show that the Elites are at least weakened, what does?
And only purpose? The Infinity was likely at Requiem following the Storm Covenant fleet, that has likely been causing some trouble. It only recently picked up the distress call, only then starting to follow the signal, and getting sucked into Requiem.
And do you mean SuperCarrier or AssaultCarrier? Because a SuperCarrier is still several times larger than the 3 and a half mile long Infinity. AndI wouldn’tsay it is stronger than a SuperCarrier. On eof the most powerful ships in the UNSC, thats for sure. But in a regular situation a Carrier would still be able to gut the Infinity with its plasma cannons, while the Infinity is still using MACs. The Infinity can win, but not without at least taking some heavy damage.
Not just a Forerunner. A Promethean. The commander of the Prometheans. The Didact isn’t a force to be messing with. Especially since he has an army of automated Prometheans, which could wreak havoc on some UNSC positions. And the story behind the Promethean AI could be much darker than we realize. The Knights at least.
Remember how the Covenant was structured. A civil war severely damages the Covenant structure. If there weren’t Brutes, the Covie Loaylists wouldn’t have last nearly as long. The Elites were depended on as Military commanders. When your military commanders turn on you, you’ve got a problem.
And how did the Covenant collaspe? Lets see…
The Elites broke away and entered a Civil War around High Charity and other Covenant positions, after a long and devastating war with Humanity. All the while, the Flood had invaded High Charity.
By the end of those early battles of the Great Schism, the Covenant was in ruin, tearing themselves apart. The Prophets were nearly wiped out, Elites being stripped of their positions, Brutes taking command of what is left, Elite fleets getting ripped to peicies by NOVA bombs, High Charity compromised, and the remainders of the Loyalists going to Earth where they were defeated.
When the weakened Elites returned home, they were soon tempted into a civil war by ONI’s plans to get them off our backs.
… the Infinity came under construction 20+ years ago in the Oort Cloud, if I remember correctly. It has been being worked on for decades, planned to be used in the war. When we discovered the Forerunner tech, it was quickly upgraded. By the time it was launched, ONI took control and used it as their litte toy, attacking Sanghelious, now descending into civil war.
And if you looked into it, you’d realize that the crippled enemy species is a good thing for the story. Motive.
They want revenge, and that is why they’re at Requiem. That is why the Covenant are at Requiem. They learned of the Didact, a Forerunner warrior who supposedly hated Humanity. They are here to awaken the Didact, and use him to destroy Humanity.“Forerunner” is a title. It isn’t a retcon, Humans and Forerunners being different species. Forerunner is what they called thenselves. Spark calling John “Forerunner” could actually imply that John has a geas of the Forerunners. Or it could imply that the title “Reclaimer” is practically the same as “Forerunner” now. You assumed it meant species. It wasn’t.
> Yes but I’m taking about regular grunts, they can make little repairs to ghosts, revs, etc and thats just individual soldiers.
And I’m talking about what happens when you can no longer repair your equipment because you’ve either run out of supplies or the gear is beyond repair. What happens when you run out of ammo? Grunts in the field cannot maintain their equipment indefinitely and they cannot magically know how to or have the resources to manufacture new technology.
> C: Had so many engineers they were onboard everyship, in every military company, in every city, on every planet had them
This was never said. The number of Huragok they employed is unknown. The Brutes also used a lot of them as suicide bombers during the schism.
> And that’s not even to mention how the Infinity being build pre human-covenant war would have been canceled during the war because at the time since it was before they found any forerunner relics (except for possibly finding the one on Reach) they were just building a big… useless… kinda strong… ship… I mean really, they would have canceled the construction (most likely) when the covenant took harvest.
The UNSC was well aware of Forerunner relics on numerous worlds. Onyx was discovered to have large amounts of subterranean Forerunner structures in 2511, 14 years before they even encountered the Covenant. Planet Coral also had Forerunner structures found on it as did Arcadia. The UNSC spent a great deal of time studying them and making minor breakthroughs from those studies.
> And considering the fact that about a 1/4 of the earth has been glassed, most of the colonies are glassed, the remaining colonies are on the verge of open revolt,
Only a part of Africa was glassed and it’s not in that bad of shape. They could have rebuilt over it but chose not to for symbolic reasons. And not all the colonies are in open revolt. A bunch of outer colonies perhaps but there are plenty of inner colonies which haven’t even seen a Covenant ship and continue living unaffected.
> how could they possibly build the Infinity (With forerunner upgrades after know about the forerunners for what, a year? Two?
As I have already said, the UNSC was aware of Forerunner relics for at least 42 years (as of 2552) and the Infinity herself had begun construction sometime around the start of the War.
> And then the construction of a massive fleet for the Infinity that consists of light frigates and old Halcyon class cruisers (Which are not only expensive but use a massive amount of resources for the redundant honeycomb super structure.
Halcyon class ships are light frigates. Their cost is also irrelevant since the cost was estimated when building them from scratch. These Halcyons would have been in storage, in other words already built. They just needed upgrades. Let’s not forget that the UNSC now has Huragok of their own which could assist in speeding up the repairs.
Alright, to be honest, I’m not even going to try to respond to three different people.
> Alright, to be honest, I’m not even going to try to respond to three different people.
lol, thats one of the worst parts about arguing here. Its inevitable for multiple people to get invloved in an argument/discussion.
I often find myself in 2v1 or 3v1 situations a lot…