The more I read the worse it gets

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Every time Halo 4 information has been released, I go in with my fingers crossed, but every time, I find more and more bad news, every since the first gameplay reveal trailer, all the way up until now

with the latest set of news, im finding it to be complicated and confusing, now i know once i play i will have it figured out, but im just not liking all of this,

BEWARE I WILL COMPARE COD AND HALO

Heres what i mean when i say its complicating, Call of duty has gone from 3 basic kill streaks and perks to 3 choosable POINT streaks, that are picked under certain classes, and pro perks. now naturally i’ve adapted and can deal with this as i will be able to do with Halo 4

Halo has gone from just strait up killing each other to Armor abilities, skins, perks, loadouts, leveling after the final level (let’s just call this prestieging)

I know i will get, “if you dont like this, then leave” or “just deal with it”

I know there will be a classic playlist, and i for sure will be playing in it, but think about it, its not going to be highly populated, take “barebones” in call of duty for example, no one plays it.

and im aloud to actively play two separate franchises, so lets not hear anything about me knowing so much about CoD
but Halo will always be my number one, even with all this changing, but im really hoping for some good news the next time we get some

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… Wouldn’t that mean halo changes more and tries more? And it still is killing, you just have more tools to do things now.

And it really Isn’t like prestiging, you don’t loose your progress. You just choose the path you want to take.

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with the flop of reach, i would say to myself, wow this didnt work, lets get back to the basics, or at least tone it down, but no, they insist on adding more and more senseless things, i know 343 is a different company, but they should of been able to tell the mistakes bungie made, sorry to the reach players, i agree its play-worthy game, but nothing to halo 3 and 2

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> I know there will be a classic playlist, and i for sure will be playing in it, but think about it, its not going to be highly populated, take “barebones” in call of duty for example, no one plays it.

Isn’t that kind of a hint that more people prefer the new stuff? If Halo stayed the way it was and never changed, people would stop playing. They shouldn’t have to cater solely to the “Classic” fans because they would never sell anymore games. They are going to offer a classic playlist because some do want it, but the fact that there won’t be a lot of people in there makes it clear that the rest of us do enjoy change after all.

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You said it yourself…no one plays the barebones or classic version. Why? Simple, we all prefer the new bells and whistles for our fun.

FPS gaming has evolved and Halo started refreshing itself with Reach. Following everything Halo 4 I believe this game is what Reach should have been.

I love the fact 343i are supporting both classic and infinity. It’s the perfect steamlining to playlists and settings that gamers like me want. Sometimes I love vanilla Halo, most of the time I prefer new game mechanics to master inside and out, counter for counter etc.

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> with the flop of reach, i would say to myself, wow this didnt work, lets get back to the basics, or at least tone it down, but no, they insist on adding more and more senseless things, i know 343 is a different company, but they should of been able to tell the mistakes bungie made, sorry to the reach players, i agree its play-worthy game, but nothing to halo 3 and 2

halo 2 and reach are equally as good IMO. halo 3 was garbage to me, it was just a copy of halo 2s multiplayer(A worse copy IMO). And reach a flop? absolutely not, its just as successful as halo 3, perhaps even more so. Reach did have issues, but it didn’t flop(If it floped no one would be playing it).

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> with the flop of reach, i would say to myself, wow this didnt work, lets get back to the basics, or at least tone it down, but no, they insist on adding more and more senseless things, i know 343 is a different company, but they should of been able to tell the mistakes bungie made, sorry to the reach players, i agree its play-worthy game, but nothing to halo 3 and 2

Reach was bad because Bungie rushed it out to get out of contract. It lacked proper balance. 343 is doing everything in their power to ensure the game is perfectly balanced.

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Halo 3 was the most successful halo game. Reach was surpassed by halo 2.

Halo 4 is said to play like halo 2/3 with new things.
And how are they senseless things? They make sense. Tuning your spartan.

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I respect your opinion and I see where you’re coming from, but I see a lot of people who want to play the classic playlist. It will probably be one of the biggest playlist there in fact, I can say then that I hope you get the right fun out of Halo 4 that you want from playing classic.

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> Every time Halo 4 information has been released, I go in with my fingers crossed, but every time, I find more and more bad news, every since the first gameplay reveal trailer, all the way up until now
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> with the latest set of news, im finding it to be complicated and confusing, now i know once i play i will have it figured out, but im just not liking all of this,
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> BEWARE I WILL COMPARE COD AND HALO
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> Heres what i mean when i say its complicating, Call of duty has gone from 3 basic kill streaks and perks to 3 choosable POINT streaks, that are picked under certain classes, and pro perks. now naturally i’ve adapted and can deal with this as i will be able to do with Halo 4
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> <mark>Halo has gone from just strait up killing each other</mark> to Armor abilities, skins, perks, loadouts, leveling after the final level (let’s just call this prestieging)
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> I know i will get, “if you dont like this, then leave” or “just deal with it”
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> I know there will be a classic playlist, and i for sure will be playing in it, but think about it, its not going to be highly populated, take “barebones” in call of duty for example, no one plays it.
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> and im aloud to actively play two separate franchises, so lets not hear anything about me knowing so much about CoD
> but Halo will always be my number one, even with all this changing, but im really hoping for some good news the next time we get some

Halo has always been a complicated game, just look at the skill gap this series can achieve…there are always many things to learn before getting good at the game and the same will be for Halo 4.
Not to consider that you have plenty of time to familiarize with the game before the secializations will come in since is “end-game content”.

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You need to realize the series needs to move on to keep up with the rest of the world. The CoD arguments are getting very old. If it’s Halo 3.5 people will complain it’s the same, like CoD. If they add to it like other modern shooters, then it’s just like CoD. No matter what they’re always on the battlefield to fans. But a lot of that is nostalgia. People complaining Halo should be like Halo 2 or 3 are like children who don’t want to grow up. And if these children don’t get what they want, then they classify that it’s dead.

Grow up. This isn’t Neverland. Halo shouldn’t stay behind just because the minority are zealots to the old school. Some games are bold enough to go back to their roots, like Halo Anniversary and Duke Nukem. And in a nutshell, Halo Anniversary was praised, and yet criticized for it’s showing age, and nuke nukem…well, let’s just say Forever should’ve stayed in the box forever.

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i see what you mean, but look at the population difference of Halo 3 (during its prime) and Halo Reach (during its prime)

imagine if AA’s were never introduced? i bet Halo reach would of been just as successful if not more successful than Halo 3

I agree, with Reach Halo did need to adapt to keep up with competitors, but bungie did not do it right obviously, thats why im wondering why 343 is building off of Halo Reach multiplayer, they need to be original

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I absolutely agree with The Omeggos. I am a person that has grown up with Halo and I have played it almost half of my life now. I love halo and i love how different it is from Call of Duty. Upgrading loadouts, giving earnable perks, and greater customization is something this series must evolve to encompass. From what I’ve seen, Halo 4 ABSOLUTELY WILL PLAY LIKE HALO, not like CoD. They are extremely different fps’s. The perks and customizations are not the largest dividing feature, their styles of shooting, aiming, setting, and tactics are all very different and will remain different. Imo 343i seems to be doing an amazing job and I think Halo 4 is going to be an amazing evolution of the series. Halo ftw.

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> i see what you mean, but look at the population difference of Halo 3 (during its prime) and Halo Reach (during its prime)
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> imagine if AA’s were never introduced? i bet Halo reach would of been just as successful if not more successful than Halo 3
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> I agree, with Reach Halo did need to adapt to keep up with competitors, but bungie did not do it right obviously, thats why im wondering why 343 is building off of Halo Reach multiplayer, they need to be original

Reach was released when CoD hit it’s peak in popularity. And even then, in terms of sales, it wasnt a drastic decrease, and by critics, it was on par with Halo 3 in nearly every regard.

And keep in mind the mentality of many casuals or lesser fans (in no way a diss towards them) Halo 3 was meant to be the end of the trilogy. Many, me included, were led to believe it was the end of the series. Halo Reach was seen as a spin-off, like ODST. Halo 4 I can garuntee you it will make better sales than Reach merely for that it is a sequel to the main story and no way a spin-off.

As for building off of reach, they’re taking the concept and re-adapting it. Not worsening it. I’ve played the game at RTX. It plays perfectly. The ranking system I can understand is controversial, but it adds to the depth of the game, which shouldnt be a bad thing if implemented properly.

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People always make the case that Halo needs to change drastically in order to compete with successful games like Call of Duty. But MMO companies had that same line of thinking in regards to competing with WoW and due to that thinking their games have failed hard.

343 should only try to change the Halo formula in order to smartly enhance the unique experience…not so they can grab onto the coattails of another successful game in an attempt to capture some of their demographics. It won’t work.

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The OMeggos, you raise good points, (sorry i can quote you, im not sure how)

it is a direct sequel from the main trilogy, the fans will come back for that, but whose to say they will stay for the multiplayer, and congratulations on being able to experience the game first hand, but surely you did not get to explore every aspect of the game, btw, care to explain to me how every individual gun you got to use felt, (if you dont mind) im really anxious to no more about halo 4

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  1. Reach was awesome.

  2. How come that only new forum users with like 1-2 posts make all these COD=Halo threads??

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@ sub jani, once again i do not know how to directly quote,but i have been using the Halo 4 forum as soon as it was available, and i enjoy reading the post instead of making my own, after all, most of my complaints are already posted, and there is really no point in posting my “personal ideas” for halo 4, because the devs do not read the forum, and in know way shape or form will be seen in Halo 4, so there is really no point, so thats why i do not post often, and also i only posted this because of built up rage ive been getting from all the halo 4 news release

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The wow comparison has one flaw in my mind. Wow was out before it’s most notable competitors that failed. CoD was not out before Halo… So to me your comparison doesn’t match up.

Also, i understand that CoD is the biggest competitir of Halo, but fps’s with perks etc like this have existed since long before either game. Just because halo is adding perks does not mean that it is chasing CoD. What ever happened to those games golden eye, socom, counter strike, unreal tournament, etc.? Just because games have similarities does not mean one is copying the other nor that one will fail and the other suceed. If the developer does well and the fan base is there… It will succeed. I do not think Halo 4 will fail taking the route it is. For the record, I’d rather play Reach than CoD anything 12 outa 7 days of the week. Even if halo 2 was my fav so far.

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Eh, i am still going to purchase Halo 4. Then i can laugh at all the over exaggerated internet users busting out COD comparisons as fast as made up statistics.

Look, IMO Reach was horrible game competitively and outside of it, it was not really balanced ;/ Still, i did go back to BO’s when i first got burned out on Reach and after that was done, i can say even Reach played NOTHING like COD. I doubt Halo 4 will be the game that kills off the series like most people say. You don’t make a game and put so much effort into it just to ruin a rather profitable IP.