The misunderstood competitive player

Games Other Halo
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So Ive been reading these forums for several weeks now , and I have to say it seems as though people like me (the competitive player) are highly misunderstood. It seems as though you all think of us as people who cant except change, only think the game should be catered to us and are highly pridefull relying on halo games as some sort of ego enhancer. THANKFULLY NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE TRUE!!

As i know many of you don’t enjoy reading a wall of text ill spare all the delicate details of why this is true and ill just simplify why i belive this.

For starters, i said that we can accept change, this is why(as in my case)

halo 3 changes: br spread , forge , theater, campaign(obviously) only the br spread the one i had a problem with. the capmighn was much better than halo 2. And i cant say enough about how amazing forge and theater modes were.(just oustanding ways to build onto a already great game)! As you can see most of the changes in halo 3 were for the better.

Halo reach changes: armor abilities, bloom, no 1-50, no master chief, forge: The campaign in my opinion was worse, but it gave us a nice backstory to the halo universe, armor abilities in my opinon were not to bad, I was perfectly fine with evade,sprint, hologram etc. but the two that i found were heavly unbalanced were jetpack and armor lock. Bloom: im not even sure if casuals liked this or not?correct me? but i know completive people and myself hated bloom with a passion. it simply added unneeded randomness. Once again they updated forge and mad it much better with phasing abilities among other things. However the one thing above all else that killed this game for me was the no 1-50 ranking system. Ive been an avid halo player since halo 2 and so i know what that intense disire to win feels like. (even if i lost i still had fun because i had that intense match in the first place.) This is so much fun to me because it directly ties into something that ive valued (which is working to get better at something) whtther it be working out to look better or studying to make better grades. The ability to see your progress to that goal and having that goal more clear just makes that journey al the more worth while!(i.e a ranking system.)

Halo 4 changes: new weapons, no 1-50 system, armor abilities, kill cams(i forgot what the official 343 word for it is), class system, progression system, new point system, mantis, chief back: Wow soo many things i can talk about:) Well for starters i have to say i like these new armor abilities, the class system is a nice way to become more adept to your play style(ive playyed cod before for about a year and a half and the progressive class system was my favorite part) kill cams i kinda like because i like to see how I just got killed and seeing what i could of done to be better. I feel like the critism for it have been blown out of proportion(kill cams do not change the game as much as most would think) Chief back, dont need to say much more about that:)All the games have had new weapons and never have they been unwelcome, needless to say these weapons are a major plus! But no 1-50! This is the only major fault I have with this game. Everything else i can live with.

Ok now for the other misconception. We do not belive the game should be catered to us. It just seems that way because the competitives have put in more time into halo and propbably been around longer than most of the casuals so we feel we know whats right for the game seeing as we have the most experience. I do not belive the game should be caered to us as i have no problem with games containing many casual elements. All i ask for is a ranking system so we can bask in our competitive haven(ranked playlists) while the casuals bask in theirs(whever that may be social,affinity slayer)

And finally our egos are not the source of our need for a ranking system, i didn’t want a 50 so i could show it off and rub it in the faces of others, i did it for personal achievement for working towards and accomplishing a goal. I mean seriously? there is so much better ways to boast or raise your self esteem, i dont need a game to do that for me.

If you finished reading this i thank you. Feel free to comment as i would love to hear your opinions!!!

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Prepared to get flamed.

Competitive folk aren’t welcomed around these parts.

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Drop the whole “casual” thing will ya, it does not mean what you think it means.

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H4 with Classic settings and symmetrical maps will be competitive.

It is already confirmed there will be a Classic play lists and he has strongly hinted at a Competitive Ranking system.

Dont worry and enjoy the game :slight_smile:

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> Drop the whole “casual” thing will ya, it does not mean what you think it means.

Needs more Inigo Montoya.

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There are people like what you’re discribing though (you’re obviously not though)

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Why can’t people just enjoy the game? CE was extremely “unbalanced”, didn’t cater to anyone, and it is a legend.

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Personally I would prefer both a progressive and a visible ranking system. I’m a competitive gamer so call me a try hard or what have you but yes… I still play for fun but also to win!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but one of the big reasons that Reach didn’t have the shelf life that Halo 2 and Halo 3 is because of it’s lack of a ranking system. People just get bored when they don’t have incentives to play. Winning or Losing in Reach really didn’t significantly change the amount of XP you received. However, when playing the previous games without the win 1 you didn’t get the XP and 2 you could rank down.

I’m all for the progressive ranking system for the casual players… More of a COD, everybody wins type system which rewards loyalty and effort over just pure wins. I would more than likely play a lot more wanting to be the best with something to show for it and differentiate myself from the average player.

Just my opinion :slight_smile: Regardless I’m counting down the days until Nov 6th!

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I’ve come to find it’s the attitude, not the position of the player.
I’ve also come to find that those that are good in attitude get offended much, much less often than those poor in attitude.

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OMG pls people just stop, 343 is working o na system it probably will be in an update sometiem after.

PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS PLS STOP CRYING OVER IT, I LIKE THE IDEA OF A RANKING SYSTEM TOO BUT PLEASE JUST STOP WITH THE JUNK SPAM OF POSTS, ITS REALLY GETTING SICKENING WITH SEEING THESE.

EITHER CONTRIBUTE TO THE FORUMS OR EAT A CHOCOLATE SPRINKLED BANANA THANK YOU.

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The whole problem and reason people bash you competitive lot is the fact that you all love to use “WE”. If you didn’t do that, generalizations wouldn’t happen.

Maybe “YOU” aren’t that way, but when you say “WE WE WE WE” you are speaking for others you have no control over.
Don’t do that.

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I feel for you, but you should look towards the other competitive that go out of their way to demean anyone who falls short of their own achievements while dismissing any conversation or other’s perspective based on how well one plays a game. I’m afraid over the years of that abuse most casuals or the Non-competitive have already predetermined that the competitive players are fairly cruel elitists that would rather ruin everyone’s fun to have their own enjoyment at the expenses of everyone else.
The argument is two fold but there it is.

My solution is allow player’s the choice to go public with their files if they want. That way players of all skills can take the time to better themselves or just enjoy the game without the constant scrutiny of other players looking for anything to validate their own arguments or self worth by lowering bar to the egotistical mantra of “I’m better at shooting than you are and you have no leg to stand on to tell me anything that I don’t agree with when it comes to life or Halo.” Hidden or public files seems the fairest where Competitive can have their symbols and the Casuals can just play and die as much as possible by having fun going Rambo if they want without k/d and w/l being held over their heads.

Other than that I would wait to see how Halo 4 pans out over 2013 and how 343 responds to whatever feed back forces them to adjust on the TU.

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> Drop the whole “casual” thing will ya, it does not mean what you think it means.

Two things:

#1 like DecepticonCobra said, drop the casual crap, that’s whats going to get you turned into char, and your thread locked.

But if you want to keep it up, then fine by me. You like to have fun? You’re from now on marked as a casual, just because you like to have fun.

#2 It’s not that competitive gamers aren’t liked in these parts, it’s the arrogance, elitist, and entitlement they bring about them. Most of us don’t give a flying damn if you’re the most competitive gamer in the world, as long as you don’t act like an arrogant SOB competitive elitist who thinks he’s entitled to Halo, and every single line of code should be coded to his demands and liking.

Most of want a ranking system, even those of us who you think are these so called “casuals”, but there are things that we don’t agree with.

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First of all I want to thank you all for your comments. I do believe halo 4 with be competitive it definitely has a lot of elements lean towards that way. I just would like to have something to strive for as I play on a daily basis.
I will still enjoy the game.
Oh and a chocolate covered banana sounds delicious:)

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I’m not using the word casual as some sort of term to down a group of people who don’t take the game as seriously as I do .

Is it really that big of a deal? It’s natural for human beings to classify and stereotype(even if not 100% accurate) it builds on a natural mechinasim our brains use to learn(I.e mind sets)
For example this lion attacked you. So it’s dangerous
So now you assume all lions are dangerous

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I play competitively and casually. I don’t group or affiliate myself as one or the other. You’re right, I don’t like a wall of text, so I skimmed. Pretty much every thing you said has been an issue on this forums from both “competitive gamers” and “casual gamers”. You being a “competitive” gamer doesn’t make your worries and/or concerns more important than the “casuals”.

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> I’m not using the word casual as some sort of term to down a group of people who don’t take the game as seriously as I do .
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> Is it really that big of a deal? It’s natural for human beings to classify and stereotype(even if not 100% accurate) it builds on a natural mechinasim our brains use to learn(I.e mind sets)
> For example this lion attacked you. So it’s dangerous
> So now you assume all lions are dangerous

Please stop.

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I think you understand the casual player to be those who are not trying to be competitive in leagues. I have a different opinion. Casual can mean many different things such as: someone who enjoys the story behind the Chief, someone who hops on for 30 mins a day to play a couple games and then continues with life, someone who gets on with IRL friends to play together with as a social hangout, etc. There are so many different meanings of the word casual that it simply can’t be flung around in a term to engulf many different groups as a whole. I consider myself competitive in many ways. I like to beat the campaign before my friends, beat it in the short amount of time, get the most kills online, get the highest rank asap, etc. In addition, I also compete in leagues. Just to clarify there is no difference in character of a “competitive” and “casual” player to the perception that has been made by the OP.

I feel as a numerical rank system would work great alongside a progressive rank, so long as the numerical provides no abilities to unlock specific items/abilities/perks. It as a little more depth to the online aspect. However, and this is a big however, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE 1-50. IT CAN BE ANY NUMBER OR AN ICON/INSIGNIA.

I am a grizzly to the universe with the original Halo: CE, books, Graphic Novel, etc. I have high hopes for this game and the best thing to do is to wait and see. Who knows, maybe the held a little something special behind closed doors for us :wink:

Mainly, remember that it is a game about Master Chief that we all should have fun with.

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> Why can’t people just enjoy the game? CE was extremely “unbalanced”, didn’t cater to anyone, and it is a legend.

Halo CE was the most balanced out of all the Halo’s. Only reason people said it was unbalanced because they would get destroyed by better players faster. And Halo CE catered to the classic gamer, which was more competitive by standard than any generation of gamer today.

And its hard to enjoy a game when its been catered to casuals. When a game is so dumb down and you can’t advance in your skills then it becomes boring.

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> > Why can’t people just enjoy the game? CE was extremely “unbalanced”, didn’t cater to anyone, and it is a legend.
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> Halo CE was the most balanced out of all the Halo’s. Only reason people said it was unbalanced because they would get destroyed by better players faster. And Halo CE catered to the classic gamer, which was more competitive by standard than any generation of gamer today.
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> And its hard to enjoy a game when its been catered to casuals. When a game is so dumb down and you can’t advance in your skills then it becomes boring.

Please, it’s people like this that give the league competitors a bad rep around these parts. The game is in no way “dumbed down” just geared towards a general audience. In no way is the game catered toward the competitive players so don’t go around giving the impression that a game is not enjoyable unless it is catered towards competitors.