Never once did i say they were useless and im sure the other guy didn’t as well
add that to the list of things you’re wrong about
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I’m pretty late to the party. I’ve only been using the Mangler for a few weeks.
But it’s clearly a cheesy kill.
And it won’t have anything to do with a bunch of pros in their ivory tower somewhere.
343 will be looking at their game data and see that the mangler is performing above it’s station. So they either swap it with a power weapon on the map - or nerf back it back inside it’s paygrade.
There is no way it could stay as is.
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I’d love to indulge in alittle 1v1 :3
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I’m the only person obliging to do this 1v1 duel, since you like to stat-track, it’ll be your pleasure to see my numbers. I’m on MnK, no aim assist magnetism anchoring in my rawest performance, still wanna do it :3?
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Onyx? Sure, why not. I’ll probably get my **** pushed in. I guess invite me to a match.
pog, message me on Xbox, we’ll talk out the 1v1 GA rules
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Messages sent, let’s do this.
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People that didn’t think the mangler needed a nerf were either okay with it being hyper broken, or didn’t know that you don’t try to 3 shot people with the mangler.
Gun was busted. It’s still too strong in competitive play, and going by the comp players I’ve talked to it will still not be used in professional and competitive play.
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Well, another time I guess.
Pretty sure whatever they’re doing is not working lol.
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Mint Blitz too? I heard a rumor that he might be on something. Kill junkies give halo a bad name.
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whether it’s a player with skill or not, casuals never get a break from either the weak or strong. I don’t see the meek & wise being listen to anytime soon. If 343 really had time to listen, their consistency wouldn’t take an increasing amount of time to basically delay features & refuse some duck tape & paper clips to release lesser features than all older releases combined…!? They could of done a true reclaimer series after what they did different but management was never their strong suit.
1: the 10% decrease is across the board meaning the bulldog and heatwave will also see this decrease. we haven’t play the change yet so we don’t know how this will affect them. they may all be reduced to this two shot state.
2: the BR has a higher rate of fire than the mangler. you can fire two bursts from the BR and melee in the same time you would fire two shots from the mangler.
then why make this change?
They will not. I guarantee it. One shot from the bulldog or heatwave will drop shields at point blank, and that will be enough to take a foe out in a melee.
So you aren’t a competitive player who has any idea what they’re talking about, got it.
EDIT: Let me explain it to you. Two shots from a mangler will drop shields. Two shots from a BR will not. 2 shot mangler 1 shot BR is less squeezes in less time than 4 squeezes than a BR and it’s easier than a 4shot to land if your mangler aim is half decent.
The BR has a faster RoF, but the Mangler does more damage. Drop or swap, a BR to finish after two mangler shots is STRICTLY faster.
Because they wanted to normalize the gun somewhat and make it not the strongest in the game which as it stands, it is basically.
Right now having a mangler means you win every close up battle, and every mid range battle.
That’s not okay for a pistol.
Post nerf, winning every mid range battle is still too strong but it’s a start.
i’m talking about close range/melee. 343 said that the br will remain a 2 shot melee to kill. meaning it will now out perform the mangler in CQC. the mangler is meant to be a CQC weapon, but now a medium range burst fire rifle is going to beat it.
where is the logic in that?
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Because it was too good, as @Liquid_Execute said.
It was overpowered.
it needed adjustment.
But no, a BR does not beat it. Have you been hearing anything said by us?
The logic is that it was outperforming the bulldog and heatwave by a hefty margin and was deciding (and winning) the vast majority of engagements where people were actually picking it up.
Making it not work at mid range by making it a 4 shot kill instead of a 3 still means it would invalidate shotguns, so they removed the one shot beatdown which was the more problematic part.
You with a BR, while if I pick up a mangler and have a BR, you would straight up never get a kill on me in a 1v1 situation. Its that strong.
See the thing is, you and others can pontificate about the mangler’s (soon to be former) unique role all you want, the fact is that by going ahead with it, 343 beleives this nerf will make the gun better fit the role they intend it to.
I like the Mangler as a spiritual successor to the Mauler, but as Favyn, among others, pointed out, 343’s philosphy is one of balancing mainly around “effective range”, and this universal melee nerf (not just mangler nerf) is a natural consequence of that philosophy. In 343’s eyes, the mangler is a poweful short-to-mid range projectile weapon, and nothing else.
This is also encouraged by people who uncritically parrot the praise for 343’s “viable” sandboxes, as they often miss the nuance as to how this “viability” is largely achieved, which is by limiting how many situations any one weapon can be useful in, so that another weapon can fill in those gaps. It leads to a conventionally “balanced” game, but not necessarily a fun one.